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dawilleyone said:
Good finale. Not at all what I expected or predicted. Walt really did poison the kid. I still don't see how he managed that, but it all fits into place now. The gun spinning towards the plant; Walt being AWOL for most of the day; Jesse getting his cigarettes lifted off him and Walt being prepared for a confrontation with Jesse.

It's almost too neat, but Hector really was the chink in Gus's armor so I give the writes props for being consistent with that.

Damn, though if anyone remembers Walt being at the rest home he's right back in fire.

Also, Walt's got no money now, so it won't be long before he gets entangled in that shit again. Does Jesse still have money?
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Walt still has paper.. he just didnt have enough to "dissapear" his whole family.
 
also I think when they do go into gus's history they will explain the parking lot bomb incident as something that he knew was fishy because he either orchestrated or survived something similar in Guatemala. Also I feel Mike was left alive specifically to give the Guatemalans a lead on Walt when they come looking to see who killed Gus.
 
DAMN!!!! How they gonna do Gus like that.....

It was bound to happen......

I figured Gus was gonna get done the same way he got done in "Fresh" aka Esteban....
 
jackeebleu said:
I disagree. The basis of the show was based on season 1, episode 2, "Cat's In The Bag". When Walt was in class and his lesson was on chirality – a key concept in organic chemistry and an extremely important consideration in living systems. He said chiral molecules are related as an object and its non-superimposable mirror image (wrote it on the blackboard).

Walt gave the example of your hands. Your left hand and right hand are mirror images of each other, but they cannot be superimposed – no matter how you arrange your hands, you cannot align all the parts (fingers, palm, back, thumb etc.) exactly. Many molecules are the same – they exist as two enantiomers, which can have very different properties.

This is how Walt's two personalities are. He is a different person with cancer than he was before cancer, even though he is the same. The Chiral nature of his humanity.
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Well DAMN, since ya put it like dat!!!!!!! :D
 
they wrapped up the season a little too neatly for me.

what was the fate of the ricin (assuming saul's bodyguard lifted it)?

when/how was the pack of cigarettes replaced into jesse's coat pocket?

i can tolerate the "lily of the valley" backyard solution, but when did walt have access to administer the flower for brock to ingest?

it was also a bit out of character that walt sent in his neighbor as a sacrificial lamb. is that really like walt to risk her safety to expose the waiting assassins?
 
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cranrab said:
they wrapped up the season a little too neatly for me.

what was the fate of the ricin (assuming saul's bodyguard lifted it)?

when/how was the pack of cigarettes replaced into jesse's coat pocket?

i can tolerate the "lily of the valley" backyard solution, but when did walt have access to administer the flower for brock to ingest?

it was also a bit out of character that walt sent in his neighbor as a sacrificial lamb. is that really like walt to risk her safety to expose the waiting assassins?
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yes Walt would use an old woman like that it was a scene used for foreshadowing the reveal that walt would be willing to poison Brock.

So far off the top of my head walt has set up a cripple (evil) man to set off a suicide bomb inside a nursing home, ordered the death of a relatively innocent man, stood by and watched a junkie die, shot two guys dead after running them over, blown himself up with a crystal bomb to make a point and put more than a few dead bodies in chemicals to dissolve. This whole thing is just icing on the cake of evil shit Walt has done. Not to mentioned used and abused the loyalty of every person around him except Saul.

Walt doesn't give a fuck he is a cold hearted motherfucker. The only thing that separates him from a lot of the supposed worse villains around him is the fact he was raised to be a upstanding citizen and has an advanced understanding of chemistry. You can't let the fact that he has this okie doke life make you under estimate what that Cac will pull if he thinks its the right move.
 
conspiracy Bro said:
yes Walt would use an old woman like that it was a scene used for foreshadowing the reveal that walt would be willing to poison Brock.

Walt doesn't give a fuck he is a cold hearted motherfucker. The only thing that separates him from a lot of the supposed worse villains around him is the fact he was raised to be a upstanding citizen and has an advanced understanding of chemistry. You can't let the fact that he has this okie doke life make you under estimate what that Cac will pull if he thinks its the right move.
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i disagree. and i'm not saying that walt hasn't done those things.

i'm saying that walt has always demonstrated some remorse or paid some emotional price after doing those things.

the way he served his neighbor up as cannon fodder without a second thought seemed unlike him. calculating manipulator capable of murderous deceit. sure. but not cold-blooded.
 
cranrab said:
i disagree. and i'm not saying that walt hasn't done those things.

i'm saying that walt has always demonstrated some remorse or paid some emotional price after doing those things.

the way he served his neighbor up as cannon fodder without a second thought seemed unlike him. calculating manipulator capable of murderous deceit. sure. but not cold-blooded.
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I think in the end that was the change this season brought. The whole season he is getting whipped mentally by Gus until he realizes he can't beat Gus unless he takes it to that next level. He learned from Gus, I don't think he is going to replace Gus at that level I think the destruction of the Lab may mean he is for the most part done cooking and the next two seasons will deal with the consequences of his actions. But yeah he has become capable of endangering whomever is around to further his own goals.

But Walt is cold blooded especially when he feels justified to be. That doesn't mean he wont feel regret for his actions. He's shown regret for each of the deeds I mentioned above. Yet, its never stopped him from doing even worse things later.
 
conspiracy Bro said:
I think in the end that was the change this season brought. The whole season he is getting whipped mentally by Gus until he realizes he can't beat Gus unless he takes it to that next level. He learned from Gus, I don't think he is going to replace Gus at that level I think the destruction of the Lab may mean he is for the most part done cooking and the next two seasons will deal with the consequences of his actions. But yeah he has become capable of endangering whomever is around to further his own goals.

But Walt is cold blooded especially when he feels justified to be. That doesn't mean he wont feel regret for his actions. He's shown regret for each of the deeds I mentioned above. Yet, its never stopped him from doing even worse things later.
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I agree with you but I don't think he will have even one whole season dedicated to repercussions. Personally, I think this is all a lead up to him indirectly becoming a huge boss.
 
Season 5...Walt vs Jesse...

Jesse called it...

when he accused walt of poisonin' the kid...i was like that's crazy...walt ain't that ruthless...

but i guess he and gus are two sides of the same coin....

(i'm still a little confused as to why gus didn't get in his car at the hospital)

walt ain't shit ... usin' old women as decoys and poisonin' little kids ...

but hopefully in Season 5 ... they explain what happened to the ricin-laced cigarette...

because if walt took it...when did he take it??

because after he and jesse got into their tussle and jesse told him to get the fuck out and never come back... i don't think walt had an opportunity to recover the cigarette...before the kid wound up in the hospital...

and jesse was checkin' for it almost every episode .. like clockwork...

walt coulda retired after this season... but skylar gave away most of their money... so walt has to continue to cook ...

i wonder if mike is gonna come back next year and work for walt...

i wonder if walt is gonna take over gus's network...

jesse might get caught up...and snitch to hank....once he finds out walt poisoned the kid...
 
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cranrab said:
they wrapped up the season a little too neatly for me.

what was the fate of the ricin (assuming saul's bodyguard lifted it)?

when/how was the pack of cigarettes replaced into jesse's coat pocket?

i can tolerate the "lily of the valley" backyard solution, but when did walt have access to administer the flower for brock to ingest?

it was also a bit out of character that walt sent in his neighbor as a sacrificial lamb. is that really like walt to risk her safety to expose the waiting assassins?
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I had most of the same questions. The ricin was the "red herring" of the finale. In a way it is a bit too neat, but some people on here and other boards figured out exactly what was going on. That tells me the writers did just enough to make it plausible without making it obvious.

As far as the scene with the old lady, that served two purposes

a) One to show that Walt was learning his lesson to be less reckless and think ahead

b) To show he was willing to put other people at risk, even people he knew to serve his cause.

On the real, The women wasn't really in danger, cause the last thing the hit squad want to do is kill some misc old woman and get the police involved before Walt shows up.
 
Here's my take on the poisoning. Walt had Saul's henchmen replace the pack of cigarettes while he was out poisoning the kid.

Here's my take on the Gus car thing. Jesse tip him off that he thought Gus had something do with it so Gus was on the safe side and skated out a different way. Walt even mentioned this to cover the writers tracks a bit.

Sorry if people think this season ended neatly but there are a lot of loose ends that will cause problems down the road.

Mike is still out there.

The FBI is looking into Jesse over the poisoning and I'm sure they looked into dude's background including the DEA file with Hank's suspicions.

Hank was looking into Gus and hit was put out on Gus in a very public fashion so if you think they aren't going to look into that... you are bugging. Also, I'm sure there were tons of witnesses who saw Walt.

The same Lab that Hank was looking at burned down and Jesse/Walt made themselves very noticeable for any witnesses.

Jesse suspects that Gus wasn't involved and there will be questions about how the kid got the poison. The poison was so specific and we don't have the kid's side on what happened

Skylar's boss is probably still alive and we don't know if he will start talking or if the police will start to dig into his injury.

We don't know Gus' situation in Chile and there even if it's nothing there is always a guy waiting to take a boss' spot and we don't know all the lower level drug lords that Gus dealt with in some fashion.

There are so many angles that can cause problems in the new season.
 
cranrab said:
they wrapped up the season a little too neatly for me.

what was the fate of the ricin (assuming saul's bodyguard lifted it)?

when/how was the pack of cigarettes replaced into jesse's coat pocket?

i can tolerate the "lily of the valley" backyard solution, but when did walt have access to administer the flower for brock to ingest?

it was also a bit out of character that walt sent in his neighbor as a sacrificial lamb. is that really like walt to risk her safety to expose the waiting assassins?
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what evidence is there that Walt poisoned the boy
 
they explained it all,the feds said it wasn't ricin , let Jesse go, Jesse tells Walt it was a poisonous plant called "Lilly of the valley", remember Walt spinning the pistol on the table in the backyard? It pointed at him twice and the plant last, then at the ending shot they show the plant in walts backyard....I swear some of y'all be as lost as my girl does when she "stares at the moving picture on the wall".
 
I think Gus was a little hesitant to get in his car, because like Walt and Hank both said, the man doesnt go anywhere, but home, laundry and work (and to the old folks home). So going some place out of his element, that might set something off. we all know he is (was) a very smart character.
 
actually... I think next season is going to be Walt vs everyone. I think Hank is going to start coming in and I think the Feds are going to come in. I forgot about Gus' "past", so that might come back in.


But I think next season will be focused more on the heat. Especially... based on the fact where did Walt get this money for the car wash.
 
MurderCity said:
You are in a thread where people are talking about everything that happened last night...this entire thread is a spoiler.

Did you come in here to just scroll past all the text and not read any of it too? :hmm:
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i just watch online, i dont even know when this show comes on honestly.
 

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