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Very slow paced methodical show but i actually enjoy it. Mike has got to win some recognitions for this shit come award season. He has been great in this.

Entire season on Sauls end has been about slowly revealing how much of a weasel Chuck is imo. The finale capped that off perfectly.
 
That recording = how Jimmy becomes Saul Goodman.
Very plausible. But the show moves so slowly that i doubt we get there so quickly. Id guess the outcome of that recording comes next season and that would be too quick for him to become Saul. But its very possible they conclude that storyline at the end of next season and transition to Saul for S4... Gonna be interesting either way .
 
Very plausible. But the show moves so slowly that i doubt we get there so quickly. Id guess the outcome of that recording comes next season and that would be too quick for him to become Saul. But its very possible they conclude that storyline at the end of next season and transition to Saul for S4... Gonna be interesting either way .


There's no way he doesn't become Saul Goodman by next season, especially since they'll want to start having Breaking Bad characters and overlapping storylines from BB start to happen soon.
 
Chuck is a world-class hater.
Ernesto came in with the assist.
Jimmy got soft-hearted and may have fucked himself, again.
I know it's "bro's before hoes", but Chuck crossed the line when he stole that account from Kim.
You steal from my chick, you stealing from me.
 
There's no way he doesn't become Saul Goodman by next season, especially since they'll want to start having Breaking Bad characters and overlapping storylines from BB start to happen soon.
You can do the overlap and BB character introductory without that. Its already started with Mikes storyline. You may be right but i dont think it will happen before next seasons finale at earliest.

Chuck is a world-class hater.
Hater hall of famer.
 
You can do the overlap and BB character introductory without that. Its already started with Mikes storyline. You may be right but i dont think it will happen before next seasons finale at earliest.


Hater hall of famer.

I hear you but when BB introduced Saul Goodman he was already established and connected. He's neither at this point.

You could be right though, too bad we'll have to wait a year to find out.
 
You can do the overlap and BB character introductory without that. Its already started with Mikes storyline. You may be right but i dont think it will happen before next seasons finale at earliest.


Hater hall of famer.

I just got through watching the season finale. Shit got me heated for real.
 
Ok it was a great episode BUT there was NO SURPRISE

EVERYTHING was predictable, it was so by the numbers

except for Ernesto (my man) and DON'T.

the audience saw that coming...

but I'm going to go deep...

I think the writers did that ON PURPOSE.

Everyone IS who they are...trapped and WANTING to believe in the best

Mike thought he could FIX it...keep the money, his self respect his pride AND save lives

and NOT get any more "innocent" blood on his hands

Nope.

Jimmy THINKS his brother is so noble and good hearted and his love for his brother would trump his ego

WRONG.

and on and on.

Liked how Kim ended up giving out coffee AGAIN just like she had to with Chuck...

We seeing Jimmy and Mike break bad and the real reasons why.

Like I said Chuck is actually a good dude...but that petty ugly jealously and envy makes him a villain

cause almost till the end Walter was JUST LIKE CHUCK...

when HE did bad things he always had an excuse a reason a justification...

he was BETTER then Gus and the Cartel and some street dealers....remember?

Chuck thinks he is BETTER then Jimmy.

that is his sin his flaw and will be his undoing...it drives him INSANE that he can't be LOVED like Jimmy

his mother his wife his co workers his friends...

all love Jimmy.

At least Saul knows who he is, as much as he lies to Kim? Kim KNOWS he is a liar and he KNOWS she knows.

Hell even Ernesto KNOWS Jimmy BEEN a good dude but he was witnessed it all from the mail room to the house to the hospital.

He LIKES Jimmy and KNOWS Jimmy loves his brother.

Again this is NOT making Jimmy a hero...but the REASON Chuck hates Jimmy is so primal basic juvenile and immature it exposes his TRUE nature.

And I do not care what the creator says...:lol:

I think Chuck's "illness" is all in his head and a manifestation of his own insecurities/pressures.
 
Based on what exactly?

we gotta be fair here...

aint NO BODY really 100% on this show...maybe besides Kim.

But he DID get Chuck out of jail and numerous cases and took care of his mom and dad and was NOT hated at the office.

SO he isn't a complete unmitigated asshole. (Even thought PERSONALLY I DO feel that way especially after the season finale)

But I find it convenient VERY convenient that he finds ANY and EVERY excuse to do something BAD when he could have QUITE EASILY let something go or be the bigger person.

So trust I could write 2000 words to prove without a doubt that Chuck is the devil, but at the same time I gotta see WHERE the human is still inside him.

somewhere.
 
we gotta be fair here...

aint NO BODY really 100% on this show...maybe besides Kim.

But he DID get Chuck out of jail and numerous cases and took care of his mom and dad and was NOT hated at the office.

SO he isn't a complete unmitigated asshole. (Even thought PERSONALLY I DO feel that way especially after the season finale)

But I find it convenient VERY convenient that he finds ANY and EVERY excuse to do something BAD when he could have QUITE EASILY let something go or be the bigger person.

So trust I could write 2000 words to prove without a doubt that Chuck is the devil, but at the same time I gotta see WHERE the human is still inside him.

somewhere.
Well they havent really shown him "taking care" of his parents as much as they have shown him saying he did. And also, i wont say hes a good guy because hes respected at the firm. I cant agree with you calling him a "good dude" ph... You can say "he isnt a POS", but a good dude???? Nah famo.

Hes fucked with peoples (including his brothers) livelihoods way too much.
 
Well they havent really shown him "taking care" of his parents as much as they have shown him saying he did. And also, i wont say hes a good guy because hes respected at the firm. I cant agree with you calling him a "good dude" ph... You can say "he isnt a POS", but a good dude???? Nah famo.

Hes fucked with peoples (including his brothers) livelihoods way too much.

OK not a POS is good with me fam...

actually maybe not a COMPLETE PO 2 day old S

is more accurate
 
aint NO BODY really 100% on this show...maybe besides Kim.

But he DID get Chuck out of jail and numerous cases and took care of his mom and dad and was NOT hated at the office.


But what was his motivation for helping Jimmy?

Chuck seems like the type to help someone simply for the "bragging rights", to have something to hold over the person, to demonstrate to himself and others that he's a decent guy (even though his motives are self serving), and most importantly it allows him to feel superior to Jimmy while making Jimmy feel indebted to him which he needs to feel due to his insecurity and anger at the fact that everyone likes Jimmy more.

There's a difference between doing good and being good.

Jimmy is a good person who does bad things but usually has a good/sincere reason to do so.

Chuck is an asshole/bad person who does good out of obligation, or because others are watching and uses this same "good" to carry out or justify his bad/malicious behavior.
 
Also Chuck claimed/acted as if he was tired of Jimmy's shit but the truth of the matter is he loved Jimmy being a fuck up and a criminal while Chuck was the overachieving neglected son.

If that wasn't the case then why has Chuck gone out if his way to sabotage Jimmy at every turn when he makes an effort to apply himself and become good at his craft?

Chuck's motivations are best demonstrated by the scene where Chuck and his wife had Jimmy over for dinner. In that scene Chuck continually talked down Jimmy to his wife prior to his arrival only to have Jimmy completely win over his wife so much so that they were both laughing and telling jokes by the end of the dinner and it was like Chuck wasn't even there.

That's what drives him. He knows deep down Jimmy can become a great lawyer and if he does then what?

Chucks success as a lawyer and in general is the only thing he has over Jimmy. Without that he goes back to being the ignored, less charming brother just like he seemed to be in their own family.

Next season I expect Chuck to put Jimmy through the ringer before ultimately making him "bow" by demanding he not use the familily name (Chucks reasoning will be hes worked too hard to build hus name and doesn't want Jimmy using/ruining it) which will lead to James McGill becoming Saul Goodman.
 
we gotta be fair here...

aint NO BODY really 100% on this show...maybe besides Kim.

But he DID get Chuck out of jail and numerous cases and took care of his mom and dad and was NOT hated at the office.

SO he isn't a complete unmitigated asshole. (Even thought PERSONALLY I DO feel that way especially after the season finale)

But I find it convenient VERY convenient that he finds ANY and EVERY excuse to do something BAD when he could have QUITE EASILY let something go or be the bigger person.

So trust I could write 2000 words to prove without a doubt that Chuck is the devil, but at the same time I gotta see WHERE the human is still inside him.

somewhere.
Not Kim. She swindles people. For FUN.
 
Just saw the first 3 minutes.

Cousin Bills BESTTA NOT come in here caping for Chuck's bitter jealous wanna be martyr azz.

I shall cape for chuck once again. I have 0 fucks about doing it too.

Cause I know exactly how Chuck feels.
EXACTLY.
I was Chuck in a sense. The feeling, not the actions.

Jimmy more than likely hadn't been there, like he usually isn't there and then comes through at the end. Like usual. He remembered the party where he invited 2 people and it was tricky and Chuck remembers everybody cleaning up for jimmy while he skates and he remembers his mom having to leave her own birthday party to clean up jimmy's mess.

Yall don't get it and I'm glad you don't. I truly am. Cause unfortunately I do get it. I get exactly where Chuck is coming from.

Like i said I was Chuck in feeling, not actions and my older sister is 1000000000000% Jimmy. to this very moment.
 
Very slow paced methodical show but i actually enjoy it. Mike has got to win some recognitions for this shit come award season. He has been great in this.

Entire season on Sauls end has been about slowly revealing how much of a weasel Chuck is imo. The finale capped that off perfectly.

Yea mike has been incredible. He won't win cause he just won't but he deserves some nods.
Entire show is really dope I enjoy it. There are no good guys just slightly less bad.
Jimmy is slightly less bad than Chuck but i completely get where chuck is coming from.
Hopefully he uses the tape and it ruins Chuck. and Jimmy becomes saul. Im tired of Chuck on the show but clearly it must be pivotal to the development.
 
Not Kim. She swindles people. For FUN.

that is just that bad girl thing...and she NEVER really hurts someway

she MAY in the future but not yet...

and notice all the victims were NOT innocent.

old grifter motto...you can't con an honest man.

Jimmy and Chuck dad was FOOLISH. dangerously so.

Being naive doesn't make you a saint or innocent.
 
I shall cape for chuck once again. I have 0 fucks about doing it too.

Cause I know exactly how Chuck feels.
EXACTLY.
I was Chuck in a sense. The feeling, not the actions.

Jimmy more than likely hadn't been there, like he usually isn't there and then comes through at the end. Like usual. He remembered the party where he invited 2 people and it was tricky and Chuck remembers everybody cleaning up for jimmy while he skates and he remembers his mom having to leave her own birthday party to clean up jimmy's mess.

Yall don't get it and I'm glad you don't. I truly am. Cause unfortunately I do get it. I get exactly where Chuck is coming from.

Like i said I was Chuck in feeling, not actions and my older sister is 1000000000000% Jimmy. to this very moment.

i will be back.
 
his mother


I think Chuck's "illness" is all in his head and a manifestation of his own insecurities/pressures.
I'm going to disagree with this point only.
I don't believe his mother called out to Jimmy because that's who she wanted or that's who she loved the most. She called out to Jimmy because that's who she always has to worry about. She's always had to worry if he was OK and her maternal instinct was to check one last time to see where he was and if he was alright.
She don't have to worry about Chuck she knows he's the responsible one.
 
I'm going to disagree with this point only.
I don't believe his mother called out to Jimmy because that's who she wanted or that's who she loved the most. She called out to Jimmy because that's who she always has to worry about. She's always had to worry if he was OK and her maternal instinct was to check one last time to see where he was and if he was alright.
She don't have to worry about Chuck she knows he's the responsible one.

i completely utterly and totally AGREE...

but that makes my point.

Chuck is so twisted up inside he BELIEVES that is what it is..

hell I bet when Chuck dies he will say Jimmy name too.
 
i completely utterly and totally AGREE...

but that makes my point.

Chuck is so twisted up inside he BELIEVES that is what it is..

hell I bet when Chuck dies he will say Jimmy name too.

That's not twisted up inside. that's called being a human being and being hurt cause you're doing everything and then nobody sees the shit. It's completely and utterly frustrating. disgustingly so
 
i will be back.


I'm anti Chuck like the next person however nobody is speaking on the cause of these effects
Someone will say he did the temporary guardianship etc and got him home he loves him and ignore that he put him in that position in the first place lol
if i punched you in the nose and it started bleeding then i got you a paper towel and pinched the nose and stopped it from bleeding then everyone was like see, bills cares he stopped the bleeding. you'd be like he's the one who punched me in the fucking nose in the first place!
lol
 
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