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Yes she can. It's not part of character.
no she can't. she just condoned it to the direct benefit of herself.
Why we arguing.
Both brothers are scum bags.
We sympathize with Jimmy because he KNOWS he is scumbag.
EVERYTHING Kim said was true.
That doesn't make Jimmy a saint, but it fully exposes Chuck fake sainthood, and false martyr syndrome.
He is the worst because he is a hypocrite and delusional.
What is great here is that we ALREADY learned from breaking bad. No one is clean no one is innocent but it is all about choices...looking into the darkness and realizing who is looking back.
It's about the descent...about breaking.
And how to live with being broken.
Both brothers are scum bags.
We sympathize with Jimmy because he KNOWS he is scumbag.
EVERYTHING Kim said was true.
That doesn't make Jimmy a saint, but it fully exposes Chuck fake sainthood, and false martyr syndrome.
He is the worst because he is a hypocrite and delusional.
What is great here is that we ALREADY learned from breaking bad. No one is clean no one is innocent but it is all about choices...looking into the darkness and realizing who is looking back.
It's about the descent...about breaking.
And how to live with being broken.
yep...karma is a bitch...
that big ass firm could have let her keep that one contract...that mutha-fucka went out his way to snatch that shit back...so fuck him...
she stood in that stairwell for days on her lunch break day in and day out to get that contract..she deserved it...
dude sat thru a meeting and dam near died to keep her from getting that contract...like they needed it...smh...
good ass ep...
Hold on back in the day did copiers have memory?
This didn't really take place "back in the day."
The events we're watching now are really close to the Breaking Bad events so you're talking 2008 or later.
Me and wife screamed like teenagers watching Jason in the 80s when Chuck dropped....
Then cheered like Cam had really won the super bowl.
That is some evil...
Cause here is the thing Jimmy reacted on FACTS...
and no matter all the speeches about justice redemption honor law integrity?
He offered no forgiveness or redemption for his own brother because of simple jealousy pride and ego.
It is so simple and biblical
Prodigal son...asking the father why he let the other brother in?
Then cheered like Cam had really won the super bowl.
That is some evil...
Cause here is the thing Jimmy reacted on FACTS...
and no matter all the speeches about justice redemption honor law integrity?
He offered no forgiveness or redemption for his own brother because of simple jealousy pride and ego.
It is so simple and biblical
Prodigal son...asking the father why he let the other brother in?
Chuck is so smart he's stupid ? Going to a copy shop at night when you have electro-allergies
Sometimes you gotta let shit go, plan your retaliation patiently
Sometimes you gotta let shit go, plan your retaliation patiently
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I don't see Jimmy as a scum bag at all.
In the first season, when everyone advised and wanted his brother committed, it was Jimmy who outright refused and fought for him.
He also took care of him by himself on a daily basis.
This is also the same dude who had his hands on millions last season and didn't keep it when he could have.
All this while his brother was going behind his back and making sure he didn't move forward in his company and trying to keep him in the mail room.
In the first season, when everyone advised and wanted his brother committed, it was Jimmy who outright refused and fought for him.
He also took care of him by himself on a daily basis.
This is also the same dude who had his hands on millions last season and didn't keep it when he could have.
All this while his brother was going behind his back and making sure he didn't move forward in his company and trying to keep him in the mail room.
The scene where Chuck is pleading trying to convince Kim to not believe Chuck...
We gonna see he had the same exact conversation with his own wife
*did u notice how the bed scene was shot exactly luke Chucks bedroom scene with HIS wife?
Ya'll ain't see that Kim is essentially Skylar? It's just because she was introduced differently that we feel differently about her.
* Notice how the law firm looks just like Skylar's old job building? Even the bosses?
We gonna see he had the same exact conversation with his own wife
*did u notice how the bed scene was shot exactly luke Chucks bedroom scene with HIS wife?
Ya'll ain't see that Kim is essentially Skylar? It's just because she was introduced differently that we feel differently about her.
* Notice how the law firm looks just like Skylar's old job building? Even the bosses?
My point is I know u could do that now, but 5 years ago was it as prevalent?
So would/could the machines have saved any digital copies?
Yes but what's the evidence that would get a court order?
If I owned that shop I'm not just gonna let you see what my customers do without due process.
I know hhm may have pull with some judges.
Off topic, Mike just got some innocent person killed.
I now see how tio got all fucked up. The meds lol, mike gonna give that nigga a stroke.
How?
We see Chuck treat Jimmy fucked up. And now we know why he treats Jimmy fucked up.
We don't like him because he's mean to Jimmy. There isn't anything else in his professional reputation shown thus far to say he's a scumbag. We just don't like him cause it felt like he was unfairly picking on Jimmy.
Playa
If you found out i was stealing from our dad and took his business under.
didn't want the job that i gave you
bailed me out of jail countless times.
Men and you all good? No resentment there at all?
Jimmy doesn't want to be like Chuck that's the fake aspect. He's got everybody fooled into thinking he looks up to him and wants to be like him and live up to his standards. no he doesn't. He'd still be working at the job Kim gave him if he did.
He wants to do his own thing and that's OK too
but you're not going to sit here and say that Jimmy being a scumbag to the people he cares about and to others is Chuck's fault.
He couldn't that was his breaking point. He knew he was right about it. He actually was right about it. It's his entire reputation that's on the line. That doesn't mean shit to Jimmy but it does to Chuck.
But that's why Big companies stay big. Cause they don't do that. Walmart has never said "Let's move to another neighborhood since this mom and pop grocery store has a good base"
not ever
Chuck also got Jimmy the job
Chuck also bailed Jimmy out of jam countless times. Like i said we're introduced to Chuck with him getting Jimmy out of jail yet again. it wasn't the first time as they both alluded to. Jimmy is a junkie for cutting corners. He always says shit like "This is my last time" to chuck.
this is before Jimmy embraces his way of life which he's starting to do now. We see him on breaking bad after he's accepted who he is.
It works both ways.
and pretty much the only reason im presenting the other side is because of the shock i had when everyone came to his defense after he stole from his dad. we all waited to see if it were even true because the writer's don't allude to stuff they make sure they show it... as everyone said the week before
and then they show him doing it and the goal post was moved.
and then they show him doing it and the goal post was moved.
Excellent points...
My thing is even IF Jimmy hadn't tampered and an error was found?
He would have blamed Jimmy.
Or Ernesto.
Or kim.
Or who was convenient
And the fact it was so easy and he was so certain and even tried to twist the fact that jimmy supported him whenever he was ill even when his own damn firm was trying to force him out tells you all you need to know.
F*ck Chuck.
I understand the father and bailing Jimmy out...bullshit.
He is an asshole.
That doesn't make his brother innocent or mean he can't hate resent jimmy.
But his Walt like rationalizations for EVERYTHING he does are just unbearable.
Give that man an Emmy.
I haven't frustratedingly, loved a character like this in a long time.
But he can die or be crippled now, im good.
On to mike...brillant.
We see Mike has BEEN dirty but much like the criminals he believes he is better then he has a code.
And Mike learned he was a criminal mastermind just like walt...look how he starting feeling himself and bought out the bar...that is something he would later tell walt was a stupid move to expose himself.
That innocent blood will shatter Mike, but this is his code and Mike's twisted way to justify all his criminal activities
Just. Like. Walt.
And to have Mike unintentionaly maybe subconsciously? cripple the man Gustavo loathes...wow, mind blowingly, great writing.
Wait...but you didn't see ANY fault with the Sainted, father in that scene?
But we can't throw out ifs when he was actually right though lol. That's what I mean. you're saying well if he was wrong about saying his brother actually did do something to damage his reputation for kim then he would have... but we don't have to deal with woulda shoulda coulda in this case. we dealt with what happened and the fact is jimmy did it exactly how he laid it out.
kim said it. your brother is smart there can be no trace. his brother was so smart that he actually had his guy at the place jimmy was at before jimmy got there..
jimmy is just better at being bad than chuck is at being good.
I see chuck's side of things. He did more for Jimmy than I would have after i thought someone had robbed from my daddy and led to his death. i can tell you that much for damn sure.
Not a fault that would justify Jimmy stealing from him TOO.
if he's too green and is a sucker and is going to go down YOU CAN'T contribute to it too. that's the point.
Saying he was going to lose his money anyway isn't justification for jimmy stealing from him.
Like i said earlier it's like if your brother has a wife that's a nympho and then you fuck her
and you keep fucking her
then its found out and you're asked why.
"Well she was going to fuck other people anyway might as well get me some too"
that's gonna go over real well right?
I guess what it boils down to, is whether Chuck would really turn Jimmy in over the things he did. Or does he just want to prove to Howard and Kim that this mistake was really Jimmy's fault.
My view of Chuck is that he wants Jimmy to fundamentally change for the better (according to his own moral code) and failing that, he wants to minimize the damage that Jimmy can cause.
If he really wanted to fuck Jimmy over he could have told the other Law firm that hired Jimmy was cutting corners when he was getting all those old people signed up for the class action. Instead he implied that it just "looked odd" But he knew slipping Jimmy was up to his old tricks.
So, wow, here the "No half measures" theme again. Chuck is not going to the extreme against his brother because it would probably mean a hit to his professional reputation. But because he can't or won't do that it sorta enables Jimmy to continue do shady shit which in turn comes back on Chuck. Such a crazy dynamic.
I have to give the writers credit. They achieving exactly what they want to achieve. Having viewers picking sides and arguing over which fake characters they ride with.
My view of Chuck is that he wants Jimmy to fundamentally change for the better (according to his own moral code) and failing that, he wants to minimize the damage that Jimmy can cause.
If he really wanted to fuck Jimmy over he could have told the other Law firm that hired Jimmy was cutting corners when he was getting all those old people signed up for the class action. Instead he implied that it just "looked odd" But he knew slipping Jimmy was up to his old tricks.
So, wow, here the "No half measures" theme again. Chuck is not going to the extreme against his brother because it would probably mean a hit to his professional reputation. But because he can't or won't do that it sorta enables Jimmy to continue do shady shit which in turn comes back on Chuck. Such a crazy dynamic.
I have to give the writers credit. They achieving exactly what they want to achieve. Having viewers picking sides and arguing over which fake characters they ride with.
The story said "Since 2002 virtually every copier has a hard drive". Better Call Saul starts in 2002 which means that these machines may be older models that don't have them. Considering that this is a low budget print shop that uses a single slow recording VHS tape for its security camera, which is primitive for even 2002 standards, it's also likely that their machines are just as primitive.
Even if they did have hard drives, who would think to look for them? It's 2016 and people are only now starting to realize what a big deal this is.
no -this is pre 2006
pay attention to the cars and phones
note Jimmy's brand new C class this season and the AMG S Class the nursing home lawyers had last season
If you really want to make a fair comparison then you would have already warned your brother that his wife had already come on to you and was spreading her ass all over town. Your brother would have replied "What if you're wrong" and refused to check her. Then you would have to be caught by a relative with a well known long standing grudge who claims that you're the only other person she's having sex with. Then the wife would have to divorce your brother who eventually commits suicide.
If that were to happen would it be fair to say that your philandering ended your brother's marriage? Would it be accurate to say that you drove him to suicide?
also not every copier has hard drives especially if it wasn;t made to be on network - its really scanner printer models
no its the direct comparison because jimmy stole. he contributed to it too. it wasn't a long standing relative. it wasn't some outside force or some shit. it was HIM. so the comparions rings exactly true as i said it. he warned his dad
and then ended up being one of the people he warned him about.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Call_Saul#Main_cast
Main cast
Recurring cast
Breaking Bad character reprisals
Main cast
- Bob Odenkirk as James Morgan "Jimmy" McGill, a small-time lawyer and a former scam artist, who becomes involved with the criminal world.
- Jonathan Banks as Mike Ehrmantraut, a former police officer working independently as a parking lot attendant, and later a private investigator and "cleaner".
- Rhea Seehorn as Kim Wexler, a lawyer working at the Hamlin, Hamlin & McGill law firm who is Jimmy's close friend and love interest.[35][36]
- Patrick Fabian as Howard Hamlin, the co-founder of Hamlin, Hamlin & McGill and Jimmy's nemesis.
- Michael Mando as Ignacio "Nacho" Varga, a chop shop worker who is also an intelligent, ambitious member of Tuco's gang.
- Michael McKean as Charles "Chuck" McGill, Jr., Jimmy's brother and a named partner at HHM who is forced to leave his job due to the sudden onset of electromagnetic hypersensitivity.
Recurring cast
- Kerry Condon as Stacey Ehrmantraut, Mike's daughter-in-law and the mother of Kaylee Ehrmantraut.
- Faith Healey (season 1) and Abigail Zoe Lewis (season 2) as Kaylee Ehrmantraut, Mike's granddaughter.
- Eileen Fogarty as Mrs. Nguyen, owner of a nail salon which houses Jimmy's law office (and home) in its back room.
- Joe DeRosa as Caldera, a veterinarian who serves as Mike Ehrmantraut's liaison to criminal employers.
- Dennis Boutsikaris as Rick Schweikart, the attorney for Sandpiper Crossing.
- Mark Proksch as Daniel "Pryce" Wormald, a small-time drug dealer who hires Mike as security.
- Brandon K. Hampton as Ernesto, Chuck's assistant who works at HHM.
- Josh Fadem as Joey Dixon, a film student that helps Jimmy film various projects.
- Jeremy Shamos and Julie Ann Emery as Craig and Betsy Kettleman, a county treasurer and his wife, accused of embezzlement.
- Steven Levine and Daniel Spenser Levine as Lars and Cal Lindholm, twin skateboarders and small-time scam artists.
- Míriam Colón as Tuco's grandmother.
- Barry Shabaka Henley as Detective Sanders, a Philadelphia cop who was formerly partnered with Mike on the force.
- Mel Rodriguez as Marco Pasternak, Jimmy's best friend and partner-in-crime in Cicero, Illinois.
- Ed Begley, Jr. as Clifford Main, law partner of Davis & Main.
- Omar Maskati as Omar, Jimmy's assistant at Davis & Main.
- Jessie Ennis as Erin Brill, an employee at Davis & Main who is ordered to shadow Jimmy.
- Vincent Fuentes as Arturo, an associate of Nacho and the Salamancas.
- Rex Linn as Kevin Wachtell, an owner Mesa Verde Credit Union and a client of HHM and Kim.
Breaking Bad character reprisals
- Raymond Cruz as Tuco Salamanca, a ruthless drug distributor in the South Valley.
- Cesar Garcia as No-Doze, Tuco's henchman.
- Jesus Payan Jr. as Gonzo, Tuco's henchman.
- T.C. Warner as a nurse.[37]
- Kyle Bornheimer as Ken, an arrogant, self-absorbed stockbroker.
- Stoney Westmoreland as Officer Saxton, an Albuquerque Police Department officer.
- Jim Beaver as Lawson, a local weapons dealer in Albuquerque.
- Maximino Arciniega as Domingo "Krazy-8" Molina, one of Tuco's distributors.
- Mark Margolis as Hector "Tio" Salamanca, Tuco's uncle and high-ranking member of the cartel.
- Debrianna Mansini as Fran, a waitress.
- Daniel and Luis Moncada as Leonel and Marco Salamanca, Tuco's cousins and Hector's nephews who are hitmen for the cartel.
- Jennifer Hasty as Stephanie Doswell, a real estate agent.
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