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OutlawR.O.C. said:
Also Chuck claimed/acted as if he was tired of Jimmy's shit but the truth of the matter is he loved Jimmy being a fuck up and a criminal while Chuck was the overachieving neglected son.

If that wasn't the case then why has Chuck gone out if his way to sabotage Jimmy at every turn when he makes an effort to apply himself and become good at his craft?

Chuck's motivations are best demonstrated by the scene where Chuck and his wife had Jimmy over for dinner. In that scene Chuck continually talked down Jimmy to his wife prior to his arrival only to have Jimmy completely win over his wife so much so that they were both laughing and telling jokes by the end of the dinner and it was like Chuck wasn't even there.

That's what drives him. He knows deep down Jimmy can become a great lawyer and if he does then what?

Chucks success as a lawyer and in general is the only thing he has over Jimmy. Without that he goes back to being the ignored, less charming brother just like he seemed to be in their own family.

Next season I expect Chuck to put Jimmy through the ringer before ultimately making him "bow" by demanding he not use the familily name (Chucks reasoning will be hes worked too hard to build hus name and doesn't want Jimmy using/ruining it) which will lead to James McGill becoming Saul Goodman.
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We see is completely differently.

The only thing Chuck is jealous of imo is the fact that he has to work hard and be honest and he's always had to cover for Jimmy
and hasn't been afforded such opportunities in his life.
If he hadn't spent a lifetime of cleaning up his fuck ups I doubt he'd even care if Jimmy was great lawyer or not.

Again.

There's 1 side everyone else sees of Jimmy
And then there's the side Chuck sees and knows because he's had to help Jimmy too many times to count and clean up all of his messes.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
Someone will say he did the temporary guardianship etc and got him home he loves him and ignore that he put him in that position in the first place lol
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Yea, but it didnt start there tho... Thats not where his caretaking of Chuck began.. We saw him taking care of his handicapable ass the entire series thus far.. Coddling him and enabling his concocted disability and assisting his grown ass to accomplish basic human functions.

Theres alot of blanks to fill in with these two which is why i told you to not rush to judge just yet..

Jimmy took care of his grown ass well before he indirectly caused him to hit his head... And id argue that wasnt Jimmys fault considering the reason for Jimmys fuckery was a response to Chucks fuckery.
 
Shit this was the 1st time i could fuck with Chuck. He finally got off his high horse and got his hands dirty. His beef with Jimmy never about Jimmny's shadiness as a lawyer. He had issues being the other brother while jimmy was the favorite prodigal son.

Jimmy pulls cons and does morally grey things to help ppl like kim and old ppl. This season has shown that chuck is willing to do same but to fuck over jimmy and/or prove his superiority.

Jimmy tries to protect Chuck from the world while Chuck is trying to protect the world from jimmy. But he doesnt realize thst by doing so he ends up contributing to the creation of something worse. Saul Goodman.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
We see is completely differently.

The only thing Chuck is jealous of imo is the fact that he has to work hard and be honest and he's always had to cover for Jimmy
and hasn't been afforded such opportunities in his life.
If he hadn't spent a lifetime of cleaning up his fuck ups I doubt he'd even care if Jimmy was great lawyer or not.

Again.

There's 1 side everyone else sees of Jimmy
And then there's the side Chuck sees and knows because he's had to help Jimmy too many times to count and clean up all of his messes.
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The 1st scene seems to contradict that. Chuck was rightfully hurt that their mom called out for jimmy on her deathbed while chuck was the dutiful son.

It appears that chuck's real issues with jimmy stem from him being everyone's favorite.
 
Amajorfucup said:
Yea, but it didnt start there tho... Thats not where his caretaking of Chuck began.. We saw him taking care of his handicapable ass the entire series thus far.. Coddling him and enabling his concocted disability and assisting his grown ass to accomplish basic human functions.

Theres alot of blanks to fill in with these two which is why i told you to not rush to judge just yet..

Jimmy took care of his grown ass well before he indirectly caused him to hit his head... And id argue that wasnt Jimmys fault considering the reason for Jimmys fuckery was a response to Chucks fuckery.
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Yea thus far, after Jimmy had taken care of him. see what I mean?
I've never ever said Chuck is good. Never. I just said Jimmy ain't a victim or even good himself. That's been my argument the entire time.
They both ain't shit but people like Jimmy so he gets the nod but Jimmy ain't shit either lol.

And its personal for me just a tad because I get Chuck's side completely as my older sister is a Jimmy. I have never pulled Chuck in actions but I've felt every bit of how Chuck feels with my sister.
 
gdatruth said:
Shit this was the 1st time i could fuck with Chuck. He finally got off his high horse and got his hands dirty. His beef with Jimmy never about Jimmny's shadiness as a lawyer. He had issues being the other brother while jimmy was the favorite prodigal son.

Jimmy pulls cons and does morally grey things to help ppl like kim and old ppl. This season has shown that chuck is willing to do same but to fuck over jimmy and/or prove his superiority.

Jimmy tries to protect Chuck from the world while Chuck is trying to protect the world from jimmy. But he doesnt realize thst by doing so he ends up contributing to the creation of something worse. Saul Goodman.
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Now I can agree with this.
 
gdatruth said:
The 1st scene seems to contradict that. Chuck was rightfully hurt that their mom called out for jimmy on her deathbed while chuck was the dutiful son.

It appears that chuck's real issues with jimmy stem from him being everyone's favorite.
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Not everyone's favorite, that nobody else sees what he sees. And it's not rooted in him trying to judge him off of shit he's projecting. He's seeing the mess that he has to clean up. Everyone else is just seeing the fun and charming guy. Chuck is who Jimmy calls when he's in a pinch and it works both ways.

But. All people see is Jimmy doing this for his brother and how much of a good brother he is and how much he cares for him etc etc. Which is true.
Everybody doesn't know or truthfully don't even care what Chuck has done for Jimmy all of their lives and that's what bothers him.
He just doesn't know how to say it and ends up doing shitty things. It's like the NFL where you get hit and then you hit the guy back and they throw the flag on you..you're like he hit me first! they're like..nope not trying to hear it, it's about you.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
Yea thus far, after Jimmy had taken care of him. see what I mean?
I've never ever said Chuck is good. Never. I just said Jimmy ain't a victim or even good himself. That's been my argument the entire time.
They both ain't shit but people like Jimmy so he gets the nod but Jimmy ain't shit either lol.

And its personal for me just a tad because I get Chuck's side completely as my older sister is a Jimmy. I have never pulled Chuck in actions but I've felt every bit of how Chuck feels with my sister.
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Gotcha. But my point is that interpretation may not be an accurate depiction of who each character is. Like i said, there are alot of blanks that need to be filled in.. All we know are Chucks words as it pertains to that. We now see his actions are just as despicable as he claims Jimmy is.
 
Amajorfucup said:
Gotcha. But my point is that interpretation may not be an accurate depiction of who each character is. Like i said, there are alot of blanks that need to be filled in.. All we know are Chucks words as it pertains to that. We now see his actions are just as despicable as he claims Jimmy is.
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They both ain't shit. We've seen Chuck bail jimmy out before and we see Jimmy bail out Chuck.
My assertion is that it works both ways equally and it wasn't being represented that way in this thread. It was all what Chuck does, so I started mentioning the things Jimmy does to kind of even the scales a bit.
I'm not on Chuck's side
The only side I'm on in this show is Mike's. lol
 
Amajorfucup said:
But we've never seen Jimmy try to tear Chuck down. Chuck does this at every turn with Jimmy. Did it with his wife, at the job, and with Jimmys girl.

Chuck is a special kind of hater bro.
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Well no, I'm not saying try to tear down I am saying help. The tear down is the shitty part of him and the part that everyone hates, including myself. He is a hater. Why is he a hater? Cause he just got fed up with helping and is hurting and now is trying to hurt Jimmy the way Jimmy hurts him.

It is NOT an excuse. Just understand why he's doing the things he does. As a reporter would say "Jimmy was no angel"
 
on the "Talking Saul" after show, the actor that plays Mike on the show was like "At what point do you stop forgiving people who do bad things to you (family or not)" And I'm not Team Jimmy by any means, but why the fuk don't he just say screw you Chuck and move on. They both sick in the head. Jimmy want to be respected by Chuck, but he won't stop taking shortcuts which is EXACTLY why Chuck will never respect him.

Chuck's not a fundamentally bad person, but he's got all kinds of sharp angles and ugly emotions around Jimmy. We still have 2 missing pieces of the puzzle when it comes to Chuck. What happened to his wife and how did he develop this "condition"? I'm gonna reserve final judgement on Chuck til those 2 questions get answered.

Jimmy has some fairly significant flaws and he's able to drag other people down to his level. (he's a world class con man after all), but he's also got a fairly large angel yelling in his ear to try to make shit right when he can.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
? Cause he just got fed up with helping and is hurting and now is trying to hurt Jimmy the way Jimmy hurts him.
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See, this is the part where we disagree. Its implied that this is the reason and its stated by Chuck as the possible reason, but it isnt showed by the writers and isnt supported by what we actually see. Chucks full of shit and self absorbed imo... A high maintenance diva who is cripplingly insecure and bitter.
 
Amajorfucup said:
See, this is the part where we disagree. Its implied that this is the reason and its stated by Chuck as the possible reason, but it isnt showed by the writers and isnt supported by what we actually see. Chucks full of shit and self absorbed imo... A high maintenance diva who is cripplingly insecure and bitter.
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we just disagree then and that's OK.
the writers did show chuck bailing jimmy out of a jam. they did show him giving jimmy a job. they've shown on the show that he helps his brother and is there for him in tight spots. so the writers have actually shown this during the run of this series. the 1st time we see chuck jimmy is in jail and he gets him out. when he first starts down the road to trying to get himself together he asks if slipping jimmy is going to resurface etc.
we disagree on the reason why but we agree that he ain't shit.
jimmy ain't shit either.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
we just disagree then and that's OK.
the writers did show chuck bailing jimmy out of a jam. they did show him giving jimmy a job. they've shown on the show that he helps his brother and is there for him in tight spots. so the writers have actually shown this during the run of this series. the 1st time we see chuck jimmy is in jail and he gets him out. when he first starts down the road to trying to get himself together he asks if slipping jimmy is going to resurface etc.
we disagree on the reason why but we agree that he ain't shit.
jimmy ain't shit either.
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No. Im not saying they dont show him helping his brother... Im saying they dont show what validates Chucks utter disdain for his brother. Nothing explains how he attempts to sabotage him at every angle.
 
Amajorfucup said:
No. Im not saying they dont show him helping his brother... Im saying they dont show what validates Chucks utter disdain for his brother. Nothing explains how he attempts to sabotage him at every angle.
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I don't think the sabotage started til Jimmy got that Law degree. The disdain was probably there since Jimmy was a kid stealing shit from the store, but Chuck couldn't deal with the fact that Jimmy was gonna sully his profession and personal reputation.

It's fucked up to treat your family like that, but Chuck is 100% right on one level. Slipping Jimmy with a Law degree is next level mayhem.
 
Thats the thing i think jimmy really planned on going straight and making his brother proud.

But chuck undermined these efforts due to his unresloved issues with Jimmy and slipping jimmy's history/tendencies.

We all know the path jimmy takes. But i wonder if chuck really gave jimmy his full support would he have still broken bad or was jimmy always destined to be shady lawyer.

But i dont buy chuck's rationale that he wanted to protect the world from him because the jimmy we saw in season 1 was an honest lawyer. He only started down this path once chuck told him how he felt and his hustler partner died.

Did chuck reservations become a self fulfilling prophecy?

Its a little bit of a chicken vs egg debate?
 
My prediction is there is nothing on that tape but white noise, because it was covered in that foil crap as well as the entire room. Chuck said something about it blocking radio signal so I don't expect much from that cliffhanger.

I also got Gus telling Mike fall back (Don't) on Hector because he wants first dibs.
 
Helico-pterFunk said:
is he showing up in the next season or two?
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i have a feeling it was Fring who put DON'T on Mike's windshield. The articles on the internet say that it was Fring who the producers didn't want to reveal after lengthy consideration.
 
gdatruth said:
Thats the thing i think jimmy really planned on going straight and making his brother proud.

But chuck undermined these efforts due to his unresloved issues with Jimmy and slipping jimmy's history/tendencies.

We all know the path jimmy takes. But i wonder if chuck really gave jimmy his full support would he have still broken bad or was jimmy always destined to be shady lawyer.

But i dont buy chuck's rationale that he wanted to protect the world from him because the jimmy we saw in season 1 was an honest lawyer. He only started down this path once chuck told him how he felt and his hustler partner died.

Did chuck reservations become a self fulfilling prophecy?

Its a little bit of a chicken vs egg debate?
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You raise some interesting questions there, but Jimmy's shadiness was evident from the first 2 episodes when he tried to hustle the white couple into being his lawyer by planning to set the wife up with the skateboard accident scam. Remember at that time he still thought Hamlin was why he wasn't working at HHM.

That whole little sequence showed us a lot about Jimmy's character. Clearly, he could have gone full slipping Jimmy and just scammed that couple out of their money, but he's trying to follow a certain code so he can show Chuck. "Look how good a lawyer I can be". And he is a good attorney, natural born defense lawyer, but he can't accept that he might have to struggle along for a period. So he takes shortcuts. Unethical ones.

Chuck seemed like he was going to turn a corner when Jimmy brought him the legitimate rest home case. Everything was going golden until Jimmy brought up the idea of working together with Chuck at HHM. That electrical sensitivity shit went out the window because Chuck couldn't call Hamlin fast enough to nix that shit.

I think Chuck's reservations about Jimmy as Lawyer are legitimate, but his bitterness and pettiness prevents him from recognizing when Jimmy is trying to move in the right direction. With a bit more encouragement and reinforcement from Chuck, I think Jimmy could stay (mostly) on the right path.
 
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04...creators-confirm-episode-title-hidden-message

Better Call Saul producers have confirmed that a fan theory regarding the second season finale is correct.

In an interview with Vanity Fair, Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul creators Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould said that villain Gustavo Fring, played by Giancarlo Esposito, would appear in Season 3.

"We were hoping it would be more of an open question at this point," co-creator Peter Gould told Vanity Fair. "We had this—to us—this very bright idea of encoding the words 'Fring’s Back' in the episode titles. We worked very hard; more than that, the folks in our office, Jenn Carroll and Ariel Levine, worked very, very hard trying to help us figure that out. And we thought we’d be revealing it maybe sometime over the summer."

"I guess we really underestimated the genius and hard work of our fans," Gould said.

Gilligan added that "just because Fring’s back—technically speaking, if not literally—it doesn’t mean that folks should assume that they’ll see him at the beginning of Season 3. This is a character who is very circumspect. Very cautious. He does not reveal himself easily."
 
the think the gun seller tipped off Victor (who has yet to show himself in this prequel), who then reports back to Fring, who reveals himself mid-season of season 3
 
Paul Kagame said:
spoiler

























http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04...creators-confirm-episode-title-hidden-message

Better Call Saul producers have confirmed that a fan theory regarding the second season finale is correct.

In an interview with Vanity Fair, Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul creators Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould said that villain Gustavo Fring, played by Giancarlo Esposito, would appear in Season 3.

"We were hoping it would be more of an open question at this point," co-creator Peter Gould told Vanity Fair. "We had this—to us—this very bright idea of encoding the words 'Fring’s Back' in the episode titles. We worked very hard; more than that, the folks in our office, Jenn Carroll and Ariel Levine, worked very, very hard trying to help us figure that out. And we thought we’d be revealing it maybe sometime over the summer."

"I guess we really underestimated the genius and hard work of our fans," Gould said.

Gilligan added that "just because Fring’s back—technically speaking, if not literally—it doesn’t mean that folks should assume that they’ll see him at the beginning of Season 3. This is a character who is very circumspect. Very cautious. He does not reveal himself easily."
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Paul Kagame said:
the think the gun seller tipped off Victor (who has yet to show himself in this prequel), who then reports back to Fring, who reveals himself mid-season of season 3
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Why would the gun seller tip off anyone? He doesn't know what Mike is doing with the guns. The whole way he stays in business is not knowing or caring what his buyers do. More likely scenario is that Gus has been keeping tabs on the Tico's operation from afar and got tipped off when their driver got jacked.

What will be interesting to see is what Gus role in the cartel was at this time. The time to setup a front in the Pollos Hermanos franchise had to have taken a long time. Was he just a distribution guy? Or was he already making meth?
 
dawilleyone said:
Why would the gun seller tip off anyone? He doesn't know what Mike is doing with the guns. The whole way he stays in business is not knowing or caring what his buyers do. More likely scenario is that Gus has been keeping tabs on the Tico's operation from afar and got tipped off when their driver got jacked.

What will be interesting to see is what Gus role in the cartel was at this time. The time to setup a front in the Pollos Hermanos franchise had to have taken a long time. Was he just a distribution guy? Or was he already making meth?
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maybe gus is the logistics and wholesaler of the guns. who knows.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
We see is completely differently.

The only thing Chuck is jealous of imo is the fact that he has to work hard and be honest and he's always had to cover for Jimmy
and hasn't been afforded such opportunities in his life.
If he hadn't spent a lifetime of cleaning up his fuck ups I doubt he'd even care if Jimmy was great lawyer or not.

Again.

There's 1 side everyone else sees of Jimmy
And then there's the side Chuck sees and knows because he's had to help Jimmy too many times to count and clean up all of his messes.
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Chuck hates Jimmy because he has mommy issues.

Their mother woke up right before dying and her last words were Jimmy..

Jimmy had left to go get him and Chuck sandwiches and when he came back she was dead.

He asked Chuck did she wake up did she say anything and Chuck said no.
 

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