Nike, Adidas, UA pass on Lonzo Ball after LaVar insists on licensing his own brand

[KingTaharqa]

i get what u're saying......LaVar is still a clown tho.....and far from humble. You can't just demand a billion dollars.
100 million....fine.....200 million....understandable. but the dude is trying to break the bank on a kid that isn't even proven yet.

Lavar put that number out there because he knows no one will pay it. He wants ownership more than money. Same way Barry Bonds tagged and bagged all his cleats, jerseys, memorabilia to give to his kids rather than sell it, let others sell it, or chase endorsements.

 

[woodchuck]

i get what u're saying......LaVar is still a clown tho.....and far from humble. You can't just demand a billion dollars.
100 million....fine.....200 million....understandable. but the dude is trying to break the bank on a kid that isn't even proven yet.
As a parent, you have all the respect and confidence in your kid........but mannnnn.....if dude turns out to be a bust,......
well lets just pray he doesnt.

I agree with all of this. You can't strong arm people to throw a billi at an unproven commodity. I wonder if there will come time when Alonzo goes, "Dad, knock it the fuck off!" I get the promotional aspect of it, but there is a line.

 

[woodchuck]

Lavar put that number out there because he knows no one will pay it. He wants ownership more than money. Same way Barry Bonds tagged and bagged all his cleats, jerseys, memorabilia to give to his kids rather than sell it, let others sell it, or chase endorsements.

Some NBA cats will only do personal autographs, because they're harder to sell.

 

[leonartist]

Start your own Blackman, next move is to go to Howard instead of UCLA...

 

[Better]

Some NBA cats will only do personal autographs, because they're harder to sell.

What is a personal autograph?

 

[woodchuck]

What is a personal autograph?

Where they ask the person's name, and write "To Woodchuck..." Those are harder to sell on the collector's market.

 

[Better]

Where they ask the person's name, and write "To Woodchuck..." Those are harder to sell on the collector's market.

Oh, I assumed that, but ... I can't figure out why that would make something less valuable. That makes it even more rare.

 

[xxironxx]

What a fucking idiot. He lives in this fantasy world where he thinks his kids are superstars instead of a bunch of Klay Thompsons.

He'll be lucky if they reach Klay level

 

[XXXplosive]

The father of UCLA guard Lonzo Ball, said he's looking for a packaged shoe deal worth $1 billion.
"A billion dollars, it has to be there," Ball told USA Today in an article published Monday. "That's our number, a billion, straight out of the gate.


And thats why Nike, Adidas, & UA left his ass at the gate lookin stupid.
c'mon man......cant just come in demanding a company give you a billion dollars.
Thats like Chance The Rapper going saying that wants a billion dollars to sign to a label. Every music company out there will be like....."Well have a nice day!"

the point is, you shouldn't jump to say other people are coons, etc, because it's obviously the wrong move for him to make at this time. Yes, I get the mindset but you can only do that with a proven commodity or a super rare talented one. Lebron could have possibly done this. Lonzo needs a few years, right before his big contract, and then he could have made a move like this, AND it should have been behind closed doors, not for the public to see how big Lavar's balls are.
From a business standpoint, no idiot would agree to Lavar's demands, regardless of the races at play. As far as Lavar as his company, it now all hinges on his son's play, and it would have to be spectacular. And not just D'Angelo Russell good. He's going to have to be HOF good. Possible, and not likely, so not the smart play. Then you would one heck of a PR team to get him to be likable.

Demands like this can only be made by game changers i.e. changing an industry, not just another decent to good product.

Y'all are still seeing the small picture and the reaction of these companies has NOTHING to do with the asking price.
Lavar has THREE sons who all have a good chance of playing in the NBA. There is no one else now or ever that can say that. That alone puts him and his sons in a different category.
He's trying to set up a brand (albeit in an unconventional way) for all of his sons and the entire family, not just Lonzo.

I'm sure Lavar, in his heart, knows he's not getting a billion dollars and a partnership deal. But what's so wrong with setting the bar high?
The fact that these companies are not even willing to negotiate with him, says more about their mentality than anything Lavar has done.

 

[woodchuck]

Oh, I assumed that, but ... I can't figure out why that would make something less valuable. That makes it even more rare.

Nah, collectors just want the star's name. If it's personalized, it's not as attractive to them. Now, of course, if it's a personal autograph from say, somebody like MLK or JFK, then they'll move on it. Historical figures are different.

 

[lazarus]

Y'all are still seeing the small picture and the reaction of these companies has NOTHING to do with the asking price.
Lavar has THREE sons who all have a good chance of playing in the NBA. There is no one else now or ever that can say that. That alone puts him and his sons in a different category.
He's trying to set up a brand (albeit in an unconventional way) for all of his sons and the entire family, not just Lonzo.

I'm sure Lonzo, in his heart, knows he's not getting a billion dollars and a partnership deal for all three of his sons. But what's so wrong with setting the bar high?
The fact that these companies are not even willing to negotiate with him, says more about their mentality than anything Lavar has done.

No, you are failing to see the big picture. The big picture being business is created and expanded behind the scenes and after a commodity is proven. It's obvious you do not dabble in this arena. Not all three of his sons have a good chance as the middle son is hot garbage. With that said, it's obvious you also do not follow recruiting.
The mentality of the companies says nothing because no business would make a deal with Lavar.

Lavar has a good concept but he is clueless on the approach to get there.

Once again, if you ran Nike, would you sign that deal with Lavar?

 

[woodchuck]

But what's so wrong with setting the bar high?
The fact that these companies are not even willing to negotiate with him, says more about their mentality than anything Lavar has done.

You're right, but I'd hate to see his sons get hurt, because nobody wants to deal with him. I've seen artists not get prime time gigs, because nobody wanted to deal with their agents.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Mitchell Trubisky was selected No. 2 overall by the Chicago Bears after a shocking trade with the San Franciso 49ers. As the No. 2 pick, Trubisky's four-year contract is projected to be worth $28,902,911, which includes a $19,160,299 signing bonus.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexka...ojections-for-first-round-picks/#6fa28299534c

I bet Mitchell and his family feel guilty about him making more money than 99.9% of the people on BGOL even though he's "unproven" and only had 13 starts. I bet they feel guilty about him being drafted before Deshaun Watson and coming into the game making more coin than him even though Watson is a National Champion. I bet his agent on the phone right now lowering that number and making it closer to what he should be worth, something fair or incentive based until he proves himself.

 

[ArsenalCannon357]

You want a shoe, or do you want real ownership?

You know something. I thought to myself if this kid pans out and is the real deal. This could be like what we see in the soccer world with some of the stars.....look no further than the likes of CR7

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

You know something. I thought to myself if this kid pans out and is the real deal. This could be like what we see in the soccer world with some of the stars.....look no further than the likes of CR7

Honestly, it doesn't matter if he pans out. This is solely about extracting wealth out of the hands of those greedy bastards.

 

[sammyjax]

Mitchell Trubisky was selected No. 2 overall by the Chicago Bears after a shocking trade with the San Franciso 49ers. As the No. 2 pick, Trubisky's four-year contract is projected to be worth $28,902,911, which includes a $19,160,299 signing bonus.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexka...ojections-for-first-round-picks/#6fa28299534c

I bet Mitchell and his family feel guilty about him making more money than 99.9% of the people on BGOL even though he's "unproven" and only had 13 starts. I bet they feel guilty about him being drafted before Deshaun Watson and coming into the game making more coin than him even though Watson is a National Champion. I bet his agent on the phone right now lowering that number and making it closer to what he should be worth, something fair or incentive based until he proves himself.

You be dropping a lot of false equivalences fam

 

[sammyjax]

I'm sure Lavar, in his heart, knows he's not getting a billion dollars and a partnership deal. But what's so wrong with setting the bar high?

isn't money the bottom line?

Moral victories are trading pretty low this quarter.

 

[KingTaharqa]

You be dropping a lot of false equivalences fam

Nothing false about it. Mitchell and his agent know he aint worth the #2 overall pick and will humble themselves and negotiate themselves accordingly. Just like Andrew Luck agent knew to not to demand he be the highest paid NFL player cuz he aint worth it and hasnt proven himself.

Funny how all the Team Jordan posters dont like this dude.

 

[xxironxx]

 

[2 ONE 3]

The main problem I have with LaVar is that he's doing all the talking and these little niggas have not played one OUNCE of NBA action.

I get banking on your kids and everything but these kids are still in high school one in college. He should sit back and let the chips fall where they may. If he instilled that hard work ethic in his kids already and they have the determination to be great, he should be chillin instead of poppin off at the mouth.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

The main problem I have with LaVar is that he's doing all the talking and these little niggas have not played one OUNCE of NBA action.

I get banking on your kids and everything but these kids are still in high school one in college. He should sit back and let the chips fall where they may. If he instilled that hard work ethic in his kids already and they have the determination to be great, he should be chillin instead of poppin off at the mouth.

Chillin? There's money to be made and you want him to chill? Most of the business owners on this forum will tell you there is no chilling in their business.

This mentality is the difference between someone who owns the business and someone who is an employee. An employee can take it easy.

As a parent he feels like raising his boys incurred a deep sunk cost. And a billion dollars will only allow him to break even.

 

[2 ONE 3]

Chillin? There's money to be made and you want him to chill? Most of the business owners on this forum will tell you there is no chilling in their business.

This mentality is the difference between someone who owns the business and someone who is an employee. An employee can take it easy.

As a parent he feels like raising his boys incurred a deep sunk cost. And a billion dollars will only allow him to break even.

Bro. None of these 3 kids are PROVEN IN THE NBA.


Tell me why they deserve a billion dollar deal when they haven't earned shit..,?

 

[2 ONE 3]

Niggas wanna give shoe contracts off 70 pt high school games

 

[RoadRage]

Air Balls are going to be the new shit!!

 

[BKF]

Y'all are still seeing the small picture and the reaction of these companies has NOTHING to do with the asking price.
Lavar has THREE sons who all have a good chance of playing in the NBA. There is no one else now or ever that can say that. That alone puts him and his sons in a different category.
He's trying to set up a brand (albeit in an unconventional way) for all of his sons and the entire family, not just Lonzo.

I'm sure Lavar, in his heart, knows he's not getting a billion dollars and a partnership deal. But what's so wrong with setting the bar high?
The fact that these companies are not even willing to negotiate with him, says more about their mentality than anything Lavar has done.

Because ninjas should stay in a ninja's place.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Bro. None of these 3 kids are PROVEN IN THE NBA.


Tell me why they deserve a billion dollar deal when they haven't earned shit..,?

None of the kids in Silicon Valley, but

 

[2 ONE 3]

None of the kids in Silicon Valley, but

Show me where the Silicon Valley kids parents are demanding a billion dollars for playing not one single game in the NBA.



I'll wait.

 

[Better]

Because ninjas should stay in a ninjas place.

Do you REALLY believe anyone is saying that he shouldn't try to have his own brand?

We're saying his approach is his problem, not his idea.

What self-respecting man would even THINK its better to have someone cut you a check, rather than have your own profitable co.?

We're just saying, Nike, etc. are established brands. Why do they need him? He has to make himself valuable them relative to what he's asking for, otherwise .... why do it?

 

[BKF]

Show me where the Silicon Valley kids parents are demanding a billion dollars for playing not one single game in the NBA.



I'll wait.

So he should have asked for what?

 

[BKF]

Do you REALLY believe anyone is saying that he shouldn't try to have his own brand?

We're saying his approach is his problem, not his idea.

What self-respecting man would even THINK its better to have someone cut you a check, rather than have your own profitable co.?

We're just saying, Nike, etc. are established brands. Why do they need him? He has to make himself valuable them relative to what he's asking for, otherwise .... why do it?

I thnk what you folks are saying is that he should come with hat in hand and get raw dogged.

 

[thundercat]

Y'all are still seeing the small picture and the reaction of these companies has NOTHING to do with the asking price.
Lavar has THREE sons who all have a good chance of playing in the NBA. There is no one else now or ever that can say that. That alone puts him and his sons in a different category.
He's trying to set up a brand (albeit in an unconventional way) for all of his sons and the entire family, not just Lonzo.

I'm sure Lavar, in his heart, knows he's not getting a billion dollars and a partnership deal. But what's so wrong with setting the bar high?
The fact that these companies are not even willing to negotiate with him, says more about their mentality than anything Lavar has done.

Only ONE of his kids has pro potential, so Lavar has no leverage. If Lonzo was already a proven bankable commodity then I'd have zero issue with his father's moves, but I can't cosign a parent trying to get rich off of his son's sweat. What if Lonzo struggles? What if he doesn't develop into a superstar player? You can't ask for a do over in sports. This checkers move could eventually cost his son millions in the long run. Family and business do not mix...never has. I hav a feeling Lonzo is going find that out the hard way.

And when has bgol ever been ok with parents interfering with their adult children's business dealings? Why is this so acceptable now? Seems like Lonzo Ball has no say in his own life and we shouldn't be ok with that.

 

[KingTaharqa]

What self-respecting man would even THINK its better to have someone cut you a check, rather than have your own profitable co.?

Plenty on BGOL. Especially those who came up in the entertainment industry and were willing "to do anything to get put on" or are use to bowing down to white execs for a check or capital for "their" business.

We're just saying, Nike, etc. are established brands. Why do they need him? He has to make himself valuable them relative to what he's asking for, otherwise .... why do it?

How do we even know he really wants to be with them? If that were the case I dont think he would move how he's moving. He obviously feels they arent necessary to what he's tryna accomplish.

 

[BKF]

Only ONE of his kids has pro potential, so Lavar has no leverage. If Lonzo was already a proven bankable commodity then I'd have zero issue with his father's moves, but I can't cosign a parent trying to get rich off of his son's sweat. What if Lonzo struggles? What if he doesn't develop into a superstar player? You can't ask for a do over in sports. This checkers move could eventually cost his son millions in the long run. Family and business do not mix...never has. I hav a feeling Lonzo is going find that out the hard way.

And when has bgol ever been ok with parents interfering with their adult children's business dealings? Why is this so acceptable now? Seems like Lonzo Ball has no say in his own life and we shouldn't be ok with that.

Meanwhile non family members working on their behalf end up with that person's money. While the player ends up broke an in debt.

 

[Better]

How do we even know he really wants to be with them? If that were the case I dont think he would move how he's moving. He obviously feels they arent necessary to what he's tryna accomplish.

He sat down with them, and he said he wanted a co-branding deal. If they had given him a deal that made sense, he wouldn't take it? Bullshit.

Now, I don't think he sits on his ass without a deal with a major, and thats great.

No matter how he does, its going to come down to the value they can generate. That'll be a combo of his sons appeal, the designs, etc.

Personally, I'd love to see someone black build something from scratch. That would be far more impactful than having a arrangement with a major.

We need SOMETHING as a black collective that SCREAMS black excellence. We NEED that for a paradigm shift in our community.

 

[Coldchi]

niggaz lining up at Belks to get em right now.......