Nike, Adidas, UA pass on Lonzo Ball after LaVar insists on licensing his own brand

[therealjondoe]

Dude is insane BUT most folks that change the game are the exact same way.

Fuck it go solo, find a plant in China or Indonesia (just like Mike, Adidas and UA)and start your own.

It would be amazing if he could manufacturer shoes in the south side of Chicago, in Compton or Flint

That made in the USA could be big boost to get the media talking.
Need to maybe find a design student that will work for the low. It's all gonna come down to if the shoe looks good and if he can play. Easier said than done. All the money UA has and they still don't have very good designs

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Nobody will answer that for you fam

At all... Da fuck are you making uncommon demands and your kid hasnt proved shit yet. Even if he beasted his team to a chip he would have had maybe a 1% chance of this happening. Dude is a clown and NOW watch the BGOL militants try to blame the white man for not wanting to invest in a 'commodity' who has already choked once in the big stage. That type of shit doesnt translate into shoe sales.... And neither does video of his other one dimensional no defense playing kid getting roasted in AAU. All those 40 foot jumpshots and shit translate into globetrotters or And 1, only Steph Curry has made that shit an art form so what makes this big chinned clown think hes gonna be taken seriously.

Hes on his way to becoming a punchline and may take his kids with him

 

[MonkeyBizness]

I find this whole story fascinating. From a business perspective, I respect Ball's move. It's smart. Why be a slave? But on the flip, why would any company invest and share equity with an unknown quantity. That's not smart business unless you negotiate stipulations that allow you to terminate the deal if markers aren't met. But the interesting thing is how much did Pop's personality affect the Big 3's thinking. Is anyone eager to get into business with dude who says and does so much outlandish shit. Plus there is NO guarantee his two other kids have NBA potential. Ultimately I understand why everyone balked at doing biz with dude. Good luck to him getting a Chinese company. He'll get his, but then the question is how much of that really is. Starbury is the only 'off-brand' sneaker that made any sort of noise and that was because of Steph being the first one to do his own show and the super cheap price point that garnered pub.

 

[Better]

That made in the USA could be big boost to get the media talking.
Need to maybe find a design student that will work for the low. It's all gonna come down to if the shoe looks good and if he can play. Easier said than done. All the money UA has and they still don't have very good designs

...and I don't understand how. There are super-talented designers all over the world, you have the capital, and yet your designs are lackluster. It doesn't make sense. It'd be like saying I have a plumbing issue, and even with deep pockets, I couldn't find ANYONE in the world to fix it? Doesn't make sense.

It doesn't have to be the best looking shoe ever, but damn .... make it something people would want to wear. How hard can that really be?

 

[Coldchi]

He's fucking up his son's money already.

i said the same thing.
hell, u could just have taken the money from those companies and used it to build and invest in your brand.
cant come in the game thinkin you Jordan and wantin to be paid and respected like it.

 

[KingTaharqa]

I see it's some scared-ass yessir massa negroes in here who will never take a risk in their lives...sad.

Ask them who their idol is and what their favorite shoes are?

Also a certain pro "independent entreprenuerial" poster is mysteriously missing from this thread.

 

[Better]

Yeah.

I think some of us are so tired of seeing black folks get taken advantage of by whitey, we side with anyone black that has gall, and will back their approach to business, even if it doesn't make sense.

When trying to do something unprecedented, you have to dot every i and cross every t.


Shit, look at Tyler Perry. He has what he has in Atlanta, but look at how he did it. He used the resources of other people, then launched out on his in.

At least wait until they know you're bankable, then they're a lot less willing to back away from that table.

Didn't Master P get a unprecedented deal because he proved his worth, and they just wanted to eat anyway they could?

Dude trying to call shots and there isn't any way to determine market value for anything yet.

 

[batmanobx]

After his Son Ball'Z Out! then he can Call OUT!

 

[Better]

After his Son Ball'Z Out! then he can Call OUT!

 

[KingTaharqa]

Didn't Master P get a unprecedented deal because he proved his worth, and they just wanted to eat anyway they could?

P only got his deal because he was unproven and they thought it was a way of setting him up to fail with little risk on their parts. It backfired and you havent seen a deal given like that again.

Reading this thread its interesting seeing black men worried about Balls sons "proving their worth" in a game to justify business. Thats the difference between CACs and blacks. Alot of shit they have was not earned but they dont lose sleep over it. Has Andrew Luck proven he should be the highest paid QB in the NFL? Has Phil Jackson earned his extension as Knicks president and proven his worth? Blacks too passive and scary to dominate business at any cost unlike every other human on this planet. Much more comfortable being told what they deserve.

 

[Better]

P only got his deal because he was unproven and they thought it was a way of setting him up to fail with little risk on their parts. It backfired and you havent seen a deal given like that again.

Reading this thread its interesting seeing black men worried about Balls sons "proving their worth" in a game to justify business. Thats the difference between CACs and blacks. Alot of shit they have was not earned but they dont lose sleep over it. Has Andrew Luck proven he should be the highest paid QB in the NFL? Has Phil Jackson earned his extension as Knicks president and proven his worth? Blacks to passive to dominate business at any cost unlike every other human on this planet. Much more comfortable being told what they deserve.

Bro', you can't compare us to CACs. They can do what they want, because they have direct access to capital, and the infrastructure.

You can't walk into a boardroom thinking they're going to treat you like you're a CAC.

You do yourself a lot more favors by making sure your shit is airtight, otherwise they have a million and one reasons to dismiss or low-ball you ...

...hence the results of these meetings.

Lets not fall victim to thinking this guy doesn't have to be wise about the way he moves, just because he's a black man thinking outside of the box. That is GREAT, but the devil is in the details.

There is a way to do anything.

 

[Better]

Its basic common sense: The more your perceived value is, the more demanding you can be.

What some of you niggas are doing is supporting JR Smith going to Cav's management, asking for a 200m deal, and a percentage of revenue ...

...then calling niggas coons or scared because they're not supporting him, all because management is white.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Bro', you can't compare us to CACs. They can do what they want, because they have direct access to capital, and the infrastructure.

You can't walk into a boardroom thinking they're going to treat you like you're a CAC.

You do yourself a lot more favors by making sure your shit is airtight, otherwise they have a million and one reasons to dismiss or low-ball you ...

...hence the results of these meetings.

Lets not fall victim to thinking this guy doesn't have to be wise about the way he moves, just because he's a black man thinking outside of the box. That is GREAT, but the devil is in the details.

There is a way to do anything.

Bro it aint just CACs. Everyone is tryna dominate resources and power. Saudi oil moguls aint worried about "fair" and proving their worth in games. Blacks too scary and want to depend on white daddy for EVERYTHING. Dont even believe in shit without that co sign. Slavery did a number.

 

[D'Evils]

Is LaVar his agent too?

 

[KingTaharqa]

Bro', you can't compare us to CACs. They can do what they want.

So can we if we stop begging them for everything.

 

[lazarus]

he's nuts if he thinks his son is the next lebron. dude hasn't played one nba game and he wants nike to co-brand with his company. lol. he gonna fuck around and his son will rock these:

 

[Better]

Bro it aint just CACs. Everyone is tryna dominate resources and power. Saudi oil moguls aint worried about "fair" and proving their worth in games. Blacks too scary and want to depend on white daddy for EVERYTHING. Dont even believe in shit without that co sign. Slavery did a number.

Who are you telling????

Who is more RABID on this damn site about black people leaving it to Democrats to control their destiny in this country???

That shit annoys me to death, because we need to become more independent, and work WITH them, not place our destiny in their hands.

We're not starting from the top, tho'.

We have to work our way up. White people built themselves up during a time when there wasn't as much to derail them. We don't have that luxury in this day and age.

I always felt Africa should have been far more developed, as they had FAAAAR more autonomy that blacks in the west have had in the past 500 years. That way, we could have been able to go BACK there.

We're on someone's land, stolen or not, and they're going to protect the shit. They don't like competition, and you know that.

We talk about a lot of shit that we need to do as a community, but don't consider all the variables, man.

Having a plan, and having a good plan aren't the same thing.

We need A LOT before we can ever compete globally, but we can just step out on a ledge and not consider the most intelligent approach to doing this. We will not be left alone, and its pointless to build up what we cannot protect with firepower.

 

[Famous1]

So can we if we stop begging them for everything.

I wish...we still have nights in here thinking this has anything to with what lonzo shoes are going to look like.

 

[lazarus]

I see it's some scared-ass yessir massa negroes in here who will never take a risk in their lives...sad.

so if you owned nike, you would give him a co-brand deal when his son hasn't even played one game?

 

[mangobob79]

Not mad at him


Just hope his kids produce

...as for Lavar, he better be making sure his boy is spending MORE than ample time in the gym ...

...'cause none of this shit will matter if Lonzo is a bust.

All I know is that the music industry has changed, why not the sneaker deals. If they are legit, it'll work, if not, down in flames, he better call dame about those pro-keds... Lol

these

These companies are low-key shook at the prospect of him (and others in the future) creating their own lane instead of crawling on their knees and taking the first offer they get.
I'm not mad at him.
It's just like the music industry today where artists no longer need a record deal, they can do the shit on their own.

all these^^^

 

[LegendOfLedo]

Exactly. Who checking 4 his shoes?

Asians cats across all universities.......I see them all the time in university recs.

 

[XXXplosive]

so if you owned nike, you would give him a co-brand deal when his son hasn't even played one game?

If I owned Nike and had the corporate mentality, I wouldn't do a deal with ANYONE outside of maybe MJ or LBJ but that's just me.
A lot of y'all are looking at the small picture and not seeing the big picture.
While I don't agree with Lavar's antics, underneath all the crazy talk and trolling he does, I do see where he is coming from in that he sees the big picture for his kids and their brand.
Why sign with one of these companies for chump change (figuratively speaking) when you can create your own lane and keep the money for yourself.
A lot of your favorite (white) entrepreneurs were very bold and brash on their way to the top.

 

[KingTaharqa]

If I owned Nike and had the corporate mentality, I wouldn't do a deal with ANYONE outside of maybe MJ or LBJ but that's just me.
A lot of y'all are looking at the small picture and not seeing the big picture.
While I don't agree with Lavar's antics, underneath all the crazy talk and trolling he does, I do see where he is coming from in that he sees the big picture for his kids and their brand.
Why sign with one of these companies for chump change (figuratively speaking) when you can create your own lane and keep the money for yourself.
A lot of your favorite (white) entrepreneurs were very bold and brash on their way to the top.

They are looking from the perspective of being the owners of Nike and how they feel. Even though I'd wager none of these dudes got stock in Nike, UA or Adidas. None sit on a board of directors, but they still speaking for them like they are. They think because they've been showing brand loyalty all they life and been buying products that these companies are "theirs". Or Lavar is gonna fuck it up for the next little nigga that can dribble a basketball and wants one of these companies to give him trinkets and crumbs to be their mascot. If there was internet in the late 80s these niggas would've called Cube a faggot and an "unproven" dumbass for not taking that bullshit slave deal Jew Heller offered him to stay in NWA.

The irony is BGOL is a porn board that started as a small entrepreneurship venture by a black man. Yet most of their members dont believe in black entrepreneurship or building institutions independent of CACs or that its even possible.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

They are looking from the perspective of being the owners of Nike and how they feel. Even though I'd wager none of these dudes got stock in Nike, UA or Adidas. None sit on a board of directors, but they still speaking for them like they are. They think because they've been showing brand loyalty all they life and been buying products that these companies are "theirs". Or Lavar is gonna fuck it up for the next little nigga that can dribble a basketball and wants one of these companies to give him trinkets and crumbs to be their mascot. If there was internet in the late 80s these niggas would've called Cube a faggot and an "unproven" dumbass for not taking that bullshit slave deal Jew Heller offered him to stay in NWA.

The irony is BGOL is a porn board that started as a small entrepreneurship venture by a black man. Yet most of their members dont believe in black entrepreneurship or building institutions independent of CACs or that its even possible.

Respect on this knowledge drop Bruh

 

[Amajorfucup]

Not surprised the big 3 have turned up their nose.. Nobody wants their business model disrupted. I hope it works out for him.

 

[Maxxam]

Is LaVar his agent too?

No, they have a young brotha, Harrison Gaines, that only reps lonzo. I know he's mad he's not getting that 20% cut

 

[Coldchi]

If I owned Nike and had the corporate mentality, I wouldn't do a deal with ANYONE outside of maybe MJ or LBJ but that's just me.
A lot of y'all are looking at the small picture and not seeing the big picture.
While I don't agree with Lavar's antics, underneath all the crazy talk and trolling he does, I do see where he is coming from in that he sees the big picture for his kids and their brand.
Why sign with one of these companies for chump change (figuratively speaking) when you can create your own lane and keep the money for yourself.
A lot of your favorite (white) entrepreneurs were very bold and brash on their way to the top.

The father of UCLA guard Lonzo Ball, said he's looking for a packaged shoe deal worth $1 billion.
"A billion dollars, it has to be there," Ball told USA Today in an article published Monday. "That's our number, a billion, straight out of the gate.


And thats why Nike, Adidas, & UA left his ass at the gate lookin stupid.
c'mon man......cant just come in demanding a company give you a billion dollars.
Thats like Chance The Rapper going saying that wants a billion dollars to sign to a label. Every music company out there will be like....."Well have a nice day!"

 

[lazarus]

If I owned Nike and had the corporate mentality, I wouldn't do a deal with ANYONE outside of maybe MJ or LBJ but that's just me.
A lot of y'all are looking at the small picture and not seeing the big picture.
While I don't agree with Lavar's antics, underneath all the crazy talk and trolling he does, I do see where he is coming from in that he sees the big picture for his kids and their brand.
Why sign with one of these companies for chump change (figuratively speaking) when you can create your own lane and keep the money for yourself.
A lot of your favorite (white) entrepreneurs were very bold and brash on their way to the top.

the point is, you shouldn't jump to say other people are coons, etc, because it's obviously the wrong move for him to make at this time. Yes, I get the mindset but you can only do that with a proven commodity or a super rare talented one. Lebron could have possibly done this. Lonzo needs a few years, right before his big contract, and then he could have made a move like this, AND it should have been behind closed doors, not for the public to see how big Lavar's balls are.
From a business standpoint, no idiot would agree to Lavar's demands, regardless of the races at play. As far as Lavar as his company, it now all hinges on his son's play, and it would have to be spectacular. And not just D'Angelo Russell good. He's going to have to be HOF good. Possible, and not likely, so not the smart play. Then you would one heck of a PR team to get him to be likable.

Demands like this can only be made by game changers i.e. changing an industry, not just another decent to good product.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

No, they have a young brotha, Harrison Gaines, that only reps lonzo. I know he's mad he's not getting that 20% cut

Man listen... This is the scene at the next Lavar interview when he starts saying dumb shit and the agent shows up! I can envision him saying 'I told you to shut the fuck up motherfucker!'

 

[woodchuck]

I'll say it again. Marbury did just that, and got laughed at. He said MJ wasn't an owner, and that at least he owns his own brand, and everyone caped for MJ.

 

[lazarus]

I'll say it again. Marbury did just that, and got laughed at. He said MJ wasn't an owner, and that at least he owns his own brand, and everyone caped for MJ.

so Marbury did this before he joined the NBA? Otherwise, your point is irrelevant.

 

[woodchuck]

so Marbury did this before he joined the NBA? Otherwise, your point is irrelevant.

No, my point is, everyone is talking this "Start your own shoe company" talk, but if he did, would it be supported? People already think Ball is clown, what are the odd of his brand being supported by those saying he should start his own shoe company?

 

[Better]

If I was Lavar Ball, I wait. I make power-moves, and if I'm public, I'm not out there clowning. You turn off a lot of people coming off that way. There are people who don't take him seriously simply because of how he act. Whether they're right or wrong, not everyone is going to interpret his approach to his media run favorably.

You say a bunch of things people think ridiculous, and they'll also think you're business ideas are equally as ludicrous.

I do hope it work out for this guy, but I wouldn't advise him to approach it the way he has.

 

[BlackArsenic]

What a fucking idiot. He lives in this fantasy world where he thinks his kids are superstars instead of a bunch of Klay Thompsons.

 

[Coldchi]

No, my point is, everyone is talking this "Start your own shoe company" talk, but if he did, would it be supported? People already think Ball is clown, what are the odd of his brand being supported by those saying he should start his own shoe company?

i get what u're saying......LaVar is still a clown tho.....and far from humble. You can't just demand a billion dollars.
100 million....fine.....200 million....understandable. but the dude is trying to break the bank on a kid that isn't even proven yet.
As a parent, you have all the respect and confidence in your kid........but mannnnn.....if dude turns out to be a bust,......
well lets just pray he doesnt.