Netflix Discussion Thread: Iron Fist (New Trailer!)

I Finally finished Season 2 of Iron Fist and it was so so..It was better than Season 1..The fight scenes was better than and a good alright storyline as well...

Also, You can see that Misty/Colleen will do joining forces in the next LC or maybe they might do a spin-off with those two!!..

But season 2 was better than season 1
 
I Finally finished Season 2 of Iron Fist and it was so so..It was better than Season 1..The fight scenes was better than and a good alright storyline as well...

Also, You can see that Misty/Colleen will do joining forces in the next LC or maybe they might do a spin-off with those two!!..

But season 2 was better than season 1
Yeah they definitely played up Daughters of the Dragon. I wouldn’t mind them rolling this show and Luke Cage up into Heroes for Hire and use DotD as a jumping off point for the season.
 
Look up Orson Randall.... The Immortal Iron Fist #1-6. (2007)
I'm gonna read'em but judging by the synopsis, not looking forward to it.

See , that's what I mean. They need to introduce Randall at some point and use the Iron Fist killer story arc. Randall found ways to use the fist that most of them never dreamed of. I'll peep this shit today but I'm very skeptical about it...to be continued


Edit. GTFOH. Typhoid Mary would be no match for Danny. here we go:hmm:
 
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That location turns out to be a building that's vacant and under heavy construction, and the duel between a de-powered Danny and an Iron-fisted Davos ends pretty much the only way it can: with Danny getting a beat down. Davos uses his more advanced knowledge of the iron fist to escape Danny's ambush, and takes his friend out of commission with a crippling blow to the leg. Davos flees, leaving "Walker" to tend to Danny - which she does by promptly call an ambulance.

The address of the building that Walker gives to emergency responders: "42 Baxter"!


If you don't know your Marvel Comics lore: the "Baxter Building" is a major Marvel landmark in NYC, which the Fantastic Four has typically called their home and base of operations. The building is located 42nd st and Madison Avenue - or in New Yorker terms, "42nd and Madison." Clearly this reference was dropped purposefully by the makers of Iron Fist. The question is: Is this Easter egg just a fun novelty for fans to unearth, or the first hints at some bigger development for the MCU?
 
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That location turns out to be a building that's vacant and under heavy construction, and the duel between a de-powered Danny and an Iron-fisted Davos ends pretty much the only way it can: with Danny getting a beat down. Davos uses his more advanced knowledge of the iron fist to escape Danny's ambush, and takes his friend out of commission with a crippling blow to the leg. Davos flees, leaving "Walker" to tend to Danny - which she does by promptly call an ambulance.

The address of the building that Walker gives to emergency responders: "42 Baxter"!


If you don't know your Marvel Comics lore: the "Baxter Building" is a major Marvel landmark in NYC, which the Fantastic Four has typically called their home and base of operations. The building is located 42nd st and Madison Avenue - or in New Yorker terms, "42nd and Madison." Clearly this reference was dropped purposefully by the makers of Iron Fist. The question is: Is this Easter egg just a fun novelty for fans to unearth, or the first hints at some bigger development for the MCU?
 
this season was good bur the last 2 eps sucked.i mean ol girl with the fist and the ending come on guns?! really i didn't like the fact mary i don't care what side of her was kicking danny's butt.he is supposed to be a kung fu master to a army soldier.it was better than first season but sucked as far as story.
 
this season was good bur the last 2 eps sucked.i mean ol girl with the fist and the ending come on guns?! really i didn't like the fact mary i don't care what side of her was kicking danny's butt.he is supposed to be a kung fu master to a army soldier.it was better than first season but sucked as far as story.
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I assume the Guns will be fully explained in the next season.
 
How can a show about a mystic martial artist from some shadow kingdom be so goddamn boring? :confused:

Second season is better than the first so far but yikes... this soapy shit should be renamed "Days of our Iron Fist" or "As Kun'Lun Turns" or something smh
 
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I assume the Guns will be fully explained in the next season.
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Just finished this up.

1. Ward had the best character arc by far so far in this show. That's crazy! Is it just that he's a better actor than the rest or did the writers just fuck up?

2. Mary Walker is pretty hot. Nice to see Misty back too.

3. Colleen and Joy are annoying as fuuuccckkk
 
Just finished this up.

3. Colleen and Joy are annoying as fuuuccckkk

hold up now. i like this season's joy seems better looking and more laid back in her scenes.
colleen can get it every day and 2x on sundays'

mary looking like she'll give you the best fuck ever then not remember it. lmao.
 
hold up now. i like this season's joy seems better looking and more laid back in her scenes.
colleen can get it every day and 2x on sundays'

mary looking like she'll give you the best fuck ever then not remember it. lmao.

They're both cute (Joy has no body tho lol) but they are both so fucking annoying on this show character wise :smh:
 
I don't know what happened to Colleen's ass, it looked better in S1, she's still getting it raw tho. Alice Eve is sexy tho
 
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let me get this straight. So the sister is mad at her brother and the Iron fist for killing her crazy ass daddy? She is the worst villain I have ever seen, Netflix dropped the ball on this one.
 
I don't know what happened to Colleen's ass, it looked better in S1, she's still getting it raw tho. Alice Eve is sexy tho

all the chicks toned up after their first season appearance. in jessica jones they all looked skinnier the 2nd season
 
ughh let this be the last series

this shit is soo dull....

it's better than the first season but that's not hard to do...
 
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Iron Fist Season 3: Marvel TV is Waiting To Hear From Netflix
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According to Marvel TV boss Jeph Loeb, a third season of Iron Fist still isn't guaranteed - he's waiting to hear from Netflix. That's in spite of the fact that the end of season 2 clearly set up a potential future for Finn Jones' hero.

When the partnership between Marvel and Netflix began, Netflix settled for releasing just two shows a year. That increased to three in 2017, then - most startling of all - this year sees four Marvel Netflix series released. What's more, the second seasons of both Luke Cage and Iron Fist clearly set up exciting future arcs.

Related: When Are Marvel's Other Netflix Shows Returning?

But no announcement has yet been made for either of those series' futures. In an interview with EW, Marvel Television's Jeph Loeb was asked specifically about Iron Fist, and he gave an interesting response:

"Speak to our friends at Netflix. Unlike the movie studio, which can announce a Captain Marvel movie will be out in 2019, the television studio will always be beholden to our networks, and so if our networks want another season of Iron Fist, we’re ready to go. We’re just waiting for the answer."


It's an interesting comment, reminding viewers that Marvel Television's influence only goes so far. Any Marvel TV show is ultimately dependent on the goodwill of the network, and their decisions will always be based on how a series performs. In contrast with normal networks, where viewing figures become public domain, Netflix guards their data. Netflix is probably the most data-driven company in the entertainment sector; it runs algorithms that divide audiences into roughly 2,000 "taste communities," and decisions are made to order and renew in part because the streaming service want to have content for all these taste communities. So it isn't just a matter of whether or not Iron Fist season 2 had good viewing figures; it's also a question of how it fits into Netflix's overall strategy.

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The odds look good for Iron Fist, though. The first season was poorly received by viewers and critics alike, but is still believed to have been a hit in terms of viewing figures. Season 2 has only been out for a few weeks, but it received a much more positive response, with new showrunner Raven Metzner proving he really does have a good vision for the Immortal Iron Fist. Hopefully the better reviews and positive buzz will translate into a successful season, one that Netflix chooses to pick up a follow-up to in short order. Even if Iron Fist is renewed, though, that doesn't mean it'll be a priority for Netflix. It's worth remembering that Daredevil season 3 was first teased at SDCC 2016; the show is finally releasing in October 2018, over two years later.
 
I finished it
Forced tropes
Fights better
Story not really
Davos didn't get to really let loose
Even when he lost the fist I didn't think it was gone for good
Better than the 1st
 
Why Netflix Cancelled Iron Fist (Despite An Improved Season 2)
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Over the weekend, Netflix shocked Marvel fans by announcing that they'd canceled Iron Fist - just over a month after the release of the show's second season. That was done in spite of a cliffhanger ending that was clear setup for season 3, with the cancellation risking leaving Danny Rand's story unfinished.

Netflix and Marvel issued a joint statement in which they thanked the fans for tuning in to the first two seasons. "Everyone at Marvel Television and Netflix is proud of the series and grateful for all of the hard work from our incredible cast, crew and showrunners," they stated. "While the series on Netflix has ended, the Immortal Iron Fist will live on." Showrunner Raven Metzner and stars Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick have since gone public with their own comments too, regretting Netflix's decision but thanking everyone involved.

Related: Netflix Made A Big Mistake Cancelling Iron Fist

Previous statements from Marvel Television have implied that the decision will have been made by Netflix. So just why did the streaming giant decide to cancel Iron Fist? Netflix has never been particularly open when it comes to providing a rationale for this kind of business decision, but it's likely there are three factors.


The most important is surely Iron Fist's viewing figures. The first season of Iron Fist was a hit for Netflix, with the Marvel faithful tuning in despite savage critical reviews. But promotion for Iron Fist season 1 focused on the overarching direction of the Marvel Netflix shows, stressing that he was "the final Defender." Those figures may have partly reflected a successful marketing campaign that stressed the importance of Iron Fist to The Defenders miniseries. Absent of that hook, it's distinctly possible Iron Fist season 2 fared less well, and that viewers just weren't keen to return to Danny Rand's world. Unlike traditional networks, Netflix doesn't release their stats, so it's possible we'll never know for sure.

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The critical response could be another key factor. The Iron Fist season 1 has a horrific 19 percent on review aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes; while season 2 has a far better score of 53 percent, was this enough of an improvement? It is worth noting that the two seasons are roughly equivalent in terms of their audience scores - 74 percent against 73 percent. It seems that, while the critics were pleased with Metzner's change in direction, general viewers didn't really react any differently.

There's one final variable that may have played a part in Netflix's decision, one that explains the increased viewship and quality points. The streaming giant is a data-driven company, with a sophisticated algorithm analyzing viewer behaviors to divide them into roughly 2,000 "taste communities." The more you use Netflix, the more data it has to assess your behaviors and categorize you, recommending specific shows that it believes fit your tastes. It's quite possible that, when Netflix broke down the numbers, they realized that Iron Fist was being watched by specific groups of viewers who already tended to watch a lot of other content on the streaming service. If that's the case, then Iron Fist would be a low priority show, and canceling it won't lose Netflix any subscribers.

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Related: Iron Fist Season 2 Has Potentially MCU-Altering Fantastic Four Easter Egg

Netflix will probably never go public with the reasons they canceled Iron Fist. But the most likely scenario is that these three variables came together to present a compelling case for bringing the series to an end.
 
Iron Fist Fan Petition Implores Netflix to Bring Back Marvel Series
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Iron Fist fans urge Marvel TV and Netflix to renew the series shortly after it was announced that it will not be coming back for a third season.

Deemed the weakest of the four individual Marvel shows on the streaming platform, many thought that it would be taken off the air after its critically-panned debut season, which is why people were shocked when a renewal announcement came during The Defenders panel at last year's year's San Diego Comic-Con. In an effort to address criticisms, Iron Fist season 2 got a brand new showrunner in Raven Metzner who replaced Scott Buck. However, the improved reviews in its latest outing weren't enough to save the show.

Related: Netflix Made A Big Mistake Cancelling Iron Fist

Taking it to Change.org, a user named Melissa Hodge came up with a campaign urging Netflix and Marvel to bring Iron Fist back for another season. She cited several interesting points hoping to change the decision to cancel the series including the fact that season 2 ended on a cliffhanger, and it didn't make any sense to do that if they didn't plan on continuing the story. Read her full statement below.

"Netflix has made a terrible decision in cancelling Iron Fist after 2 seasons . There are many fans of the character and the series and most people said that the second season was excellent . I think its unfair that Luke Cage , Jessica Jones and Daredevil get a third season and their shows get mixed reviews too yet Iron Fist gets the shaft . There is so much more potential and stories to be told and its not great fanservice to end the last season on a cliff hanger and not go along with it especially when the second season was more well recieved with critics and fans . So Netflix and Marvel please revise your decision and greenlight a third season for Iron Fist"

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At the time of writing, the petition already has more than 8,000 signatures - less than 2,000 more and it will already achieve its target of 10,000 supporters just a few days since it was created. The author of the campaign actually makes a compelling case with regard to the possibility of reviving the series, especially since Iron Fist season 2 was significantly better than its predecessor. Unfortunately, considering the success rate of online campaigns, it's dubious if this one would actually make a difference and prompt Netflix and Marvel to give the series one more chance.

If the verdict remains, fans of the character will still be able to see Jones play Danny in other Marvel Netflix series. While he could re-emerge in the planned third season of Luke Cage given his involvement in its sophomore outing, many are betting on the possibility that Netflix and Marvel TV may actually be cooking a Heroes for Hire spinoff featuring Luke and Danny. That way, it doesn't feel like the latter has just been relegated to a supporting role when he's supposed to be a headlining character. Fans will just have to wait and see what the future lies for Danny when an official announcement regarding his next small screen appearance is made.
 
Jessica Henwick Thanks Iron Fist Fans After Netflix Cancellation
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Colleen Wing actress Jessica Henwick is the latest cast member from Iron Fist to address Netflix's sudden cancellation of the Marvel TV series. It's been a few years now since the streaming giant partnered with Marvel Television to establish their own corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Beginning with Daredevil in 2015 and then continuing with Jessica Jones and Luke Cage the following year, it looked like Netflix's Marvel experiment was working. That is, until Iron Fist made its debut in 2017.

It's no secret that Iron Fist season 1 was among the worst reviewed season (and show, for that matter) among all the Marvel TV shows currently on the air. But the eponymous character, portrayed by Finn Jones, received a much-needed boost in popularity and understanding in The Defenders season 1 later that year. And that, coupled with M. Raven Metzner replacing Scott Buck as showrunner, led to Iron Fist season 2 taking the character in a whole new direction, one that pleased both audiences and critics alike. Unfortunately, it just wasn't enough.

Related: Netflix Made A Big Mistake Cancelling Iron Fist

Earlier this week, Netflix canceled Iron Fist after just two seasons, thus making it the second Marvel TV property - the other being ABC's Agent Carter - to be canceled early in its run. (Of course, this doesn't include passed-on properties as well as potential spinoff shows.) And now, series mainstay Jessica Henwick has responded to the cancellation by posting a video online thanking the fans. The video is a compilation of seemingly random behind-the-scenes moments she shared with the cast and crew. Check it out below.



Henwick's above video comes on the heels of Jones and Metzner issues their own responses online. Yesterday, Jones posted a statement on Instagram, thanking the fans for their continued support and vowing that this isn't the last of the Immortal Iron Fist. After all, the character still exists in a massive shared universe, even if their corner is ignored by practically everyone else. But still, it's big enough for Danny Rand to return in some form on another series, just like he had done in the second season of Luke Cage. Furthermore, that notion of Iron Fist potentially coming back on another property was somewhat echoed when Metzner referred to season 2 as a "chapter".

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Whether or not Danny Rand returns in the future remains to be seen, but one thing is for sure following the success of second seasons for both Luke Cage and Iron Fist: the next Marvel series Netflix needs to invest in is Daughters of the Dragon, starring Henwick's Colleen Wing and Simone Missick's Misty Knight as the titular crime-fighting duo. It's a perfect continuation of Iron Fist's story, and it opens the door for the character to return as well - which would be great if Netflix really doesn't plan on moving forward with another season of The Defenders.
 
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Disney Can't Cancel Netflix Marvel TV Shows Confirms Executive

One of Netflix's executives confirms that only they have the authority to cancel any of their Marvel TV shows, not Disney. Shortly after launching their initial slate of original programs, Netflix opted to go big and attract new subscribers by partnering with Marvel Entertainment's then-newly formed division, Marvel Television, to adapt multiple TV shows based on characters from Marvel Comics. And it all began with Daredevil in 2016, which is on the verge of debuting its highly-anticipated third season later this week.

While Netflix's Marvel TV shows have been performing wonderfully for them overall, it's understandable that fans became somewhat concerned when Disney announced plans to launch their own streaming service in late 2019, which has been reportedly titled Disney Play. Since the Mouse House plans on developing their own original Marvel properties, and since it was revealed all Marvel movies on Netflix would be removed when the service releases, it was believed that Netflix's Defenders-based series would also move from Netflix to Disney Play, if not canceled entirely. But that's not what's happening.


In response to a question about Disney's streaming service and its impact on their Marvel TV shows, Netflix's Chief Content Officer Ted Sarandos told investors during an earnings call that only they have the power to cancel their live-action Marvel TV properties. According to Inverse, Sarandos said, "Those shows are for us to cancel, and we’re super happy with their performance so far." Sarandos' blunt answer is great news for fans who were perhaps worried about the future of Netflix's TV shows.


While this response should put all concerns of Marvel TV's future at Netflix to rest, it's really just a more direct reply to similar questions that Marvel Entertainment itself has answered before. Earlier this year, the company's president Dan Buckley said that they wanted to continue their partnership with Netflix and have their Defenders-based properties run for as long as possible on the streaming service. However, it was also reported around the same time that all future Marvel shows could go straight to Disney's platform. While that may or may not be true, it's certainly plausible that the Mouse House would want to keep all their stuff in-house, including everything from production to distribution.



But, regardless of what Disney plans to do in the future, they can't use their power to control what happens with Netflix's Marvel TV shows. Unlike what happened with the animated Deadpool series at FX Networks, Disney nor Disney-owned Marvel TV has the authority to cancel Netflix's Marvel properties; only Netflix can do that. Sadly, they exercised that authority for the first time this past weekend when they canceled Iron Fist after two seasons, something that has fans in an uproar, for
 
Iron Fist Star Reacts To Luke Cage Cancellation, Sparks Spinoff Speculation
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In response to Netflix canceling Luke Cage after two seasons on the air, Iron Fiststar Finn Jones posts a new image of the two eponymous superheroes on social media, thus sparking spinoff speculations about a potential Heroes for Hire TV show. In 2014, Netflix partnered with Marvel Television to develop multiple series based on a select few Marvel Comics characters. And they launched that initiative the following year with Daredevil season 1, which quickly became one of the most critically-acclaimed comic book TV shows on the air.

Netflix followed up that series with Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and then eventually The Defenders and The Punisher, of which the latter was a spinoff of Daredevil season 2. While everything seemed to be going great at first, the streaming service hit a snag in 2017, when both seasons for Iron Fist and The Defenders failed to achieve the same level of acclaim as previous chapters in Netflix's corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Despite a rather successful season 2, Iron Fist was abruptly canceled last week. And then, exactly one week later, Luke Cage was also canceled.

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Shortly after Netflix canceled Luke Cage, Iron Fist's titular star, Finn Jones, posted an image on Instagram from the duo's fight scene in Luke Cage season 2. To go along with the image, Jones also captioned it with two fists and a heart in between them. It's clearly a response to the news that Luke Cage was canceled, and it could mean that Jones is showing solidarity in this solemn hour with Luke Cage star Mike Colter. However, it has also sparked speculation that the two could reunite in a spinoff series.

As comic book fans are well aware, Marvel Comics once partnered up Luke Cageand Iron Fist together for the comic series, Power Man and Iron Fist. After spending some time fighting crime together, the duo eventually co-founded the organization Heroes for Hire, Inc. along with Jeryn Hogarth (Carrie Anne Moss plays a female version of the character, Jeri Hogarth, in the MCU). It served as an investigation company, but then, with them being superheroes and all, they ultimately started using their powers for good. Ever since Netflix announced plans to develop Luke Cage and Iron Fist TV shows, fans have wanted the two to team-up and form Heroes for Hire.

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Marvel fans finally saw the duo work together outside of The Defenders in Luke Cage season 2, but it was only for a brief amount of time. Considering the fact that Netflix has canceled both TV shows, even though the last two seasons for both programs were incredibly well received, it makes sense for them to consolidate their properties into one show that could potentially introduce even more heroes down the line. Furthermore, Netflix could use this opportunity to highlight Colleen Wing and Misty Knight's partnership, and then eventually develop a Daughters of the Dragon spinoff. But, for now, fans will just have to wait and see what happens.
 
Where Do the Luke Cage and Iron Fist Cancellations Leave Marvel and Netflix?
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We don’t know, nor are we likely ever to know, the full story behind why Netflix chose to cancel Marvel’s Iron Fist and Luke Cage. The streamer is an infamously opaque mystery box that releases no data on viewership and is astoundingly tight-lipped with reporters. The Hollywood Reporter has a source who said the Luke Cage axing was the result of “creative differences and the inability to agree to terms for a third season of the show,” but that’s one anonymous person, so who knows? With Iron Fist, we have an even more glaring paucity of information. That show got ripped apart by criticsand never shook the early bad buzz about its casting of a white dude as a martial-arts master, so one assumes that the ratings just weren’t there for season two, but who can really say? It’s astoundingly hard to get anyone involved to talk, even off the record, because the NDAs and surveillance involved in working on a Marvel project are nigh totalitarian.

But even if we can’t figure out the reasoning behind these abrupt disappearances (both within a few days of the unveiling of a new Marvel Netflix season, Daredevil’s third — the Cage news came on release day!), we can still survey the landscape that they leave behind. The cancellations leave us with a Marvel Netflix slate devoid of clean-living, respectable protagonists. What remains, for better or worse, are the bastards.

Here are the Marvel Netflix shows that are still on the docket: Jessica Jones, The Punisher,and Daredevil. (Crossover team-up series The Defenders has also gone the way of the dodo, but as Krysten Ritter told me last year, there might never have been a plan for more than one season of it.) Let’s go through their respective lead heroes, shall we? Jessica, God bless her, is an asshole and a drunk, congenitally incapable of getting her act together or not alienating everyone around her. The Punisher is, well, the freaking Punisher: Whatever the righteousness of his cause might be, his bloodlust and amoral leanings make him the image you put next to the dictionary definition of “anti-hero.” Even Daredevil, devoted Catholic that he may be, is a prideful nightmare of a friend who has way too much fun beating the hell out of people.

respectability politics. Although the second season of his show tried to present him as a guy struggling with anger management and left him off having made a devil’s bargain to become a crime lord, there was something that always rang false whenever showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker tried to make him seem morally questionable. Perhaps it’s just the way actor Mike Colter oozes decency, but one always felt that the Hero for Hire was an honest man doing the best he could. And as for Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist: Holy schnikes was that guy a goody two-shoes or what? His whole deal was his status as a naïf, raised on a steady diet of monastic lessons about virtue and separated from the corrupting influences of the outside world. Sure, he could be irritating, but part of the irritation was his constant effort to do right by the world and be a nice guy while doing it.

Now, both of those figures are bereft of their own shows. Marvel has emphasized that their stories can still go on in other forms, which makes cameos in future seasons of the surviving Netflix shows a probability. But the stories they’d be intruding upon are ones that err on the grim-and-gritty side. It’s somewhat disheartening, to be honest. Even if you were never that much of a fan of Cage or Fist, their loss means that Marvel’s Netflix projects will, for the time being, probably be an enterprise where “maturity” is defined by how dark you can go and how far you can push your characters toward unforgivable acts of violence. It’s a problem that superhero comics have periodically run into, and it’s always frustrating to see that sludginess become predominant.

It’s also a problem that Marvel’s eternal rival, DC, has faced in the construction of its movie universe. Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice,and Suicide Squad were all lambasted for being excessively cynical about (super)human nature and left the DC brand with a reputation for going too hard on the brooding and not hard enough on the laughs. Ironically, Marvel has been the alternative to that approach when it comes to the Cineplex, offering up Marvel Cinematic Universe movies that shine with a sometimes-cloying optimism and protagonists to whom you want to give a big ol’ hug. Are we now looking at a fully DC-ified Marvel operation on Netflix?

If so, that would make the TV situation a bizarre counterpoint to the film one, in that DC has generally been sunny in its offerings on the CW: Supergirl, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow,and the like. Arrow can get a bit broody, but the schmaltz and quirk quotients are still high; same goes for Black Lightning. The one big exception to that rule is Titans, the new DC series available only on a branded DC app, which is bleak and horrifying enough to make The Punisher look like The Great British Baking Show. But for now, its relegation to the walled garden of a streaming platform makes it a minor factor in the overall DC brand.

Speaking of streaming: The elephant in the room is the fact that Disney plans to roll out its own service to compete with Netflix in the not-too-distant future. One has to imagine that was a factor in Netflix’s decisions to part ways with Marvel on Cage and Fist. Viewership may have been low, creative differences may have been had, but if Netflix felt true ownership over the shows, it might have had a higher tolerance for such hiccups. As it stands, however, Marvel has a foot out the door already. I have no idea if that fact has caused strains in the Marvel/Netflix relationship, but I can’t imagine that it helped make the case for keeping the shows on the digital air.

The real question is what happens once this much-discussed Disney video platform launches. Presumably, the House of Mouse will want to cram as much original Marvel content into it as is feasible, what with that being one of its primary cash cows and all. That could lead to an interesting situation, in that the platform will reportedly host shows featuring MCU movie talentand that are helmed by Marvel Studios — the movie division — rather than Marvel Television, which handles the Netflix offerings (as well as Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Runaways, and Cloak & Dagger). Could Cage or Fist be rebooted there? Or maybe refashioned along the lines of the comics adventures of their protagonists, thus giving way to a Luke/Danny Power Man and Iron Fist show or a team-up between Cage’s Misty Knight and Fist’s Colleen Wing in the form of Daughters of the Dragon? One hopes so, in the name of diversity. There’s the diversity of ethnicity, of course: Everyone except Danny in that quadruplet is a person of color, while the prime players in the remaining Marvel Netflix shows are almost entirely white. But there’s also the diversity of tone. Until this mythical digital beast launches, Marvel’s streaming offerings will be a pouty lot, indeed.
 
EXCLUSIVE: Iron Fist & Luke Cage Cancellation Reason Revealed By Netflix Viewer Data


Netflix viewing figures provided exclusively to Screen Rant have explained just why the streaming service canceled Iron Fist and Luke Cage. The recent high-profile cancellations left Marvel fans shocked, not least because Netflix pulled the plug on Iron Fist just a month after the release of a much-improved season 2. No reason for the cancellations has ever been officially presented; it's generally believed Iron Fist was canceled because of poor viewing figures, while there are reports of behind-the-scenes conflict between Marvel and Netflix over Luke Cage.

Screen Rant has spoken exclusively to Jumpshot, a San Francisco-based analytics company. Their anonymized global panel tracks five billion actions a day across 100 million devices to deliver insights into online consumer behavior. Jumpshot has looked at the viewing behavior and activity of their US members in order to get a sense of just how the Netflix Originals are performing. There are limitations to this data - it's US-specific and based on clicks rather than viewing habits - but given Netflix's secrecy over ratings, it's probably the best indication available of how viewers are responding to the Marvel shows.

Related: What Luke Cage & Iron Fist Seasons 3 Would Have Been About

According to Jumpshot, both Iron Fist and Luke Cage lost two-thirds of their viewers between their first and second seasons. Compared to their first seasons, Luke Cage lost 59 percent of its viewers, while Iron Fist lost 64 percent. Jumpshothas provided an index indicating how the different Marvel Netflix shows performed in their first weeks, compared against Daredevil season 2 (the first series they measured). Here's how Iron Fist and Luke Cage look:

  • Daredevil season 2: 100
  • Luke Cage season 1: 92
  • Iron Fist season 1: 80
  • Luke Cage season 2: 38
  • Iron Fist season 2: 29


These figures give a sense of the sheer scale of the drop in viewership. In the case of Luke Cage, they explain reports that Netflix wanted to renegotiate their deal with Marvel and book a 10-episode series rather than the normal 13 episodes; these shows are expensive, even allowing for New York's generous tax breaks, and the show wasn't getting enough viewers to make a 13-episode series worthwhile. Meanwhile, Iron Fist's cancellation is even easier to understand; although season 2 was praised by viewers and critics alike for having redeemed the character of Danny Rand, it looks as though people just didn't choose to watch it. According to Jumpshot's data, viewership for Iron Fist took less than a month to drop back to baseline levels. That certainly explains the speed with which Netflix canceled the series.


This data is the first solid hint that the partnership between Marvel and Netflix may not be quite so productive as had previously been believed. But is the issue specific to Iron Fist and Luke Cage, or does it affect the entire Marvel Netflix slate? Jumpshot has provided Screen Rant with more exclusive information on all the Marvel Netflix shows, that we'll be exploring in detail over the coming days.

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What Luke Cage & Iron Fist Seasons 3 Would Have Been About
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What would have happened in the now-cancelled third seasons of Luke Cage and Iron Fist? October has been a difficult month for fans of the popular Marvel Netflix shows. On the one hand, the eagerly-anticipated Daredevil season 3 has finally released, to popular and critical acclaim. Unfortunately, this was against the backdrop of two major cancellations, with Netflix bringing both Iron Fist and Luke Cage to an end after two seasons.

The reasons for the cancellations are believed to have been slightly different. In the case of Iron Fist, it's generally believed that the show never recovered from a critically-panned first season, in spite of the best efforts of new showrunner Raven Metzner. In contrast, there have been reports that talks on Luke Cage season 3 went to the wire, with reports of "creative differences" between Marvel and Netflix. The streaming service apparently wasn't comfortable with the direction Marvel intended to take the series, and they wanted a shorter 10-episode series than Marvel was prepared to make.

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It's possible that Luke Cage and Iron Fist will be replaced by team-up showslike Daughters of the Dragon and Heroes for Hire. By now, though, it's quite clear that this wasn't the original plan. Key members of the cast, and even the two showrunners, have taken to social media to thank their fans for following them, and there's a definite sense of sorrow to their comments. Daredevil showrunner Erik Oleson, a close friend of Metzner's, gave a sense of just how difficult a time it's been for the Marvel teams. "The Marvel shows are a family," he explained. "I took Raven out for drinks on Saturday night and we commiserated. It was heartbreaking news."

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So what were Marvel's plans for Luke Cage and Iron Fist seasons 3? This article will look at the ideas set up in the shows, and the (sparse) comic book precedents, and attempt to deduce what was going to happen.

WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN LUKE CAGE SEASON 3?

Luke Cage season 2 ended with a whole new status quo for Harlem's Hero. He'd inherited Harlem's Paradise, and had concluded he could do more good for his neighborhood as a crime boss who was attempting to keep the peace. It's an approach Luke has never taken in the comics, which makes it pretty difficult to guess where showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker was planning to take the series. The only solid hint has been given by Mike Colter, who described something of a "fall from grace" arc:

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"I think the plan for season 3 is to explore Luke's ability to govern and be fair. At the end, we talk about there being a new sheriff in town, a new king in Harlem. We're going to see how he deals with this power, because we know absolute power can corrupt absolutely. And sometimes when you don't have someone checking you, someone to put you in place, someone to tell you 'you can't do that,' we sometimes get out of control. We see that everywhere."

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Part of this involves the fact that Luke's old friendships and relationships are breaking down. Although Rosario Dawson was willing to reprise the role of Claire Temple, Luke's lover and moral conscience, she stressed that it may not be possible due to personal commitments. "My daughter is in high school," Dawson pointed out, "so I kinda wanna not be 3,000 miles away for work." Meanwhile, Luke's new role as a crime boss will inevitably cause conflict with Misty Knight, who's been offered a promotion and would be in charge of bringing an end to Luke's burgeoning criminal empire. Season 2 ended with Luke alone in his office, signifying that he'd lost everyone and everything that could keep him on the straight and narrow.

Dialogue in Iron Fist season 2 strongly suggested that Misty would call in her friend Colleen Wing to help against Luke. Colleen has become New York's new Iron Fist, and she could well be the key to stopping Luke. After all, as Misty noted, Colleen now has "one of the few weapons that might make a dent in that man." A flash-forward scene at the end of Iron Fist season 2 suggested that Colleen will learn how to channel her Chi through other weapons, most notably her katana, and that's an absolute game-changer. The Defenders already confirmed that a punch thrown with the power of the Iron Fist can knock Luke Cage down; that means, in theory, that Colleen's sword can be used to cut him too. Making matters worse, Luke wouldn't necessarily find out that Colleen was a threat to him until she was ready to take him on. It's important not to overemphasize Colleen's importance to the plot, though; Marvel would have been hoping she'd be needed for both Luke Cage and Iron Fist seasons 3, so scheduling alone would have meant she had a limited role in Luke Cage.

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The arc sounds vaguely similar to that of the Shadowland event, a comic book miniseries that saw Daredevil make the same kind of mistakes Luke is guaranteed to make. At the same time, though, it's likely the resolution would have been slightly different; rather than seeing Luke beaten by his friends, it would have probably involved him realizing what he was becoming, presumably after making a big mistake. There would be a certain poetry if Luke Cage season 3 were to end with Harlem's "bulletproof black guy" going back to jail, but this time for crimes he really did commit.


WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN IRON FIST SEASON 3?
Iron Fist season 3 would probably have had a different focus; the mythology of the Iron Fist. It would have divided its time between Danny Rand's quest in Asia and Colleen Wing's new career as the Iron Fist of New York, but a single thread of discovery would clearly weave between the different plots. After all, the flash-forward scene reveals that Danny Rand will somehow become a second Iron Fist, and that both he and Colleen will learn to channel their Chi through weapons like guns or blades. It may be that Danny even discovers another dragon, explaining how he gets his powers back. It's uncertain whether or not Marvel would take that approach, though, given Netflix budgets didn't exactly make for a strong Shou-Lao in Iron Fist season 1.

The "months later" scene name-dropped a major figure from Iron Fist mythology, Orson Randall. In the comics, Randall was Danny's predecessor as the Iron Fist, who abandoned his duties and faked his own death. Randall is a fairly recent addition to the Iron Fist mythology, created by Ed Brubaker and David Aja back in 2013. It was Randall who told Danny about the existence of the Seven Capital Cities of Heaven, introducing the concept of the Immortal Weapons, the cities' sacred defenders. His signature move was channeling his Chi through guns - the very skill Danny seems destined to pick up.

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Related: Iron Fist: The Biggest & Best Easter Eggs Hidden In Season 2

Meanwhile, another aspect of the plot would probably have involved Colleen learning her family history. Iron Fist season 2 suggested that she was descended from Wu Ao-Shi, the "Pirate Queen of Pinghai Bay," the first female Iron Fist. It's likely that, at first, Colleen will attempt to use the Iron Fist in a diplomatic way, attempting to keep the peace between the different gangs. Little by little, though, she'll wind up taking to the streets as a vigilante. Interestingly enough, there was actually no reason for Colleen to channel her Chi in that scene set "months later," so it may be she'll find the power of the Iron Fist every bit as addictive as Danny did. It could be that Danny's quest ultimately unlocks the secret of truly mastering the Iron Fist, rather than forever struggling to avoid being mastered by it.

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One final plot thread was surely intended to be a key part of Iron Fist season 3: Typhoid Mary's third personality. Season 2 teased that a third personality was buried deep within Mary Walker's psyche, a brutal and bloody killer. In the comics, that third personality is the misandrist Bloody Mary, and she's the most terrifying and dangerous of all Mary's alters. At the same time, though, Marvel may well have decided to hold off on that plot for another show; the character is usually associated with Daredevil, and it would definitely be thrilling to see Alice Eve's Typhoid Mary go up against Charlie Cox's Daredevil.

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With Iron Fist and Luke Cage sadly canceled, what's next for the two heroes? There's a lot of speculation that Marvel and Netflix will pivot to two spinoffs, Daughters of the Dragon and Heroes for Hire. Luke Cage could potentially even be the villain in Daughters of the Dragon, which would focus on Misty and Colleen; he'd then transition over to Heroes for Hire for a redemption arc, teaming up with Danny Rand.

At the moment, though, that's just speculation. Whatever Marvel insiders may say, there's no guarantee will sign up to this approach. For now, there's a real danger that the stories of Luke Cage and Danny Rand - and, indeed, their tremendous supporting characters - will be left incomplete.
 
Netflix Made A Big Mistake Cancelling Iron Fist
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Netflix has made the decision to cancel Iron Fist after two seasons - and it's a big mistake. Barely a month after the release of Iron Fist season 2, the streaming giant chose to announce that the series had been canceled. This is the first Marvel series to be cut by the streaming service, and despite the official statement stating "While the series on Netflix has ended, the immortal Iron Fist will live on", there's a sense of this being far too untimely.

Season 2 showrunner Raven Metzner and stars Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick have both publicly thanked fans for sticking with Iron Fist through its two seasons. Their comments have led to speculation that Iron Fist season 3 may yet go to another platform, perhaps even to the Disney streaming service that's due to launch next year. At this time, though, there's no evidence of that and it frankly seems unlikely; the House of Mouse will hardly want their streaming service to get a reputation for simply picking up the content that's been canceled on other platforms. The sad truth is that the Iron Fist series seems to be dead.

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And while the road for Danny Rand has been rocky, canceling Iron Fist is ultimately a massive mistake on Netflix's part. The series still has the potential to be one of their best - and here's why.

NETFLIX & MARVEL HAVE FIXED IRON FIST

Iron Fist was always going to be the most problematic Marvel Netflix show. Marvel initially struggled to work out a solid pitch, largely because they didn't feel the mystical elements gelled all to well with the rest of the Netflix world. They were given an unexpected breathing-space by the popularity of Mike Colter's Luke Cage, whose cameo in Jessica Jones season 1 was so well-received that they decided to fast-track his solo series. But even with the benefit of extra time, season 1 showrunner Scott Buck simply failed to deliver. The show was savaged both by critics and casual viewers; the pacing, the plot, the characterization, the acting, and - most shocking of all - even the fight choreography were generally viewed as disappointing. Danny Rand is supposed to be Marvel's premiere martial artist, but Finn Jones' skills just weren't up to the challenge.

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In spite of its flaws, Iron Fist was still a hit according to viewing figures. Netflix renewed the show for a second season, and Marvel began to work at fixing the series. They did this by focusing in on the central characters, Danny Rand and Colleen Wing, and carefully integrating them into the wider world they were building on Netflix. Danny became a central character in The Defendersteam-up series and Finn Jones looked noticeably stronger when performing against all of the other stars. Specifically, the comic-book-accurate dynamic between Iron Fist and Luke Cage worked perfectly, with Danny later playing a cameo in an episode of Luke Cage season 2. Jones spent months training, becoming far more proficient at martial arts.

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fight choreographer Clayton Barber to work on the series, who improved the action scenes dramatically. Both Jones and Henwick shone through as far more competent martial artists, and careful editing emphasized their growing skills. Marvel had achieved their goal; they had successfully redeemed . Compare the critic scores on review aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes: where season 1 has a horrific 19 percent, season 2 stands at 53 percent. It's still a mid-range hit rate, but the transformation is remarkable.

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IRON FIST SEASON 2 SET UP A FANTASTIC NEW STATUS QUO
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It wasn't just that Iron Fist season 2 was better, it was that it promised a brighter future; by the end, Colleen Wing had become the Immortal Iron Fist and Danny was on a personal mission.

A very different character to Danny, Colleen could sense the spirit of the dragon within her but was far more well-trained and competent when it comes to controlling such rage. The little evidence we had at the end of season 2 suggested that Colleen would be a more diplomatic Iron Fist, while still suiting up and take action as a vigilante. This is an arc that's never been done in the comics, so we have absolutely no idea where it could lead.

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Danny, meanwhile, headed off to Asia on a quest to uncover the secret history of the Iron Fist. A flash-forward scene revealed that he had regained the power of the Iron Fist, but learned some new tricks too, even channeling that power through bullets. His mission had led him to look for Orson Randall, a name that's familiar to any comic book readers; he was the previous Iron Fist, a man who abandoned his duty after the violence became too much for him. Orson Randall's introduction in the comics led Danny to question everything he'd been previously taught, and ultimately revealed the Seven Capital Cities of Heaven.

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The lack of Iron Fist season 3 leaves all this up in the air. How will Danny's quest play out? What will Colleen be like as the new Iron Fist of New York? Those questions risk being left unanswered - although there is some hope.

WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE CHARACTERS OF IRON FIST?
As we've noted, statements from Metzner, Jones and Henwick have all seemed to imply that the story of the Immortal Iron Fist is far from over. While it frankly seems unlikely that the series will transition to another platform, it's possible instead that the individual character arcs will play out in other Marvel Netflix shows.

Take Colleen Wing. At the end of Iron Fist season 2, Colleen's friend Misty (played by Simone Missick) suggested she may need her to pay a visit to Luke Cage sooner or later. Luke has taken over the Paradise Club, and he's attempting to negotiate peace between Harlem's gangs by acting as a crime boss himself; it's a safe bet that this isn't going to go well. In Misty's words, Colleen now has "one of the few weapons that might make a dent in that man." So it seems safe to assume Luke Cage season 3 will feature a scrap between Power Man and Iron Fist - an exciting prospect. Looking beyond that, there's a lot of speculation that Marvel and Netflix could continue Colleen's story in a spinoff show, one inspired by the Daughters of the Dragon comics.

Related: Daughters of the Dragon Should Replace Luke Cage Season 3

Danny Rand, however, is far more questionable. Season 2 ended with him on another continent, and none of the other Marvel Netflix shows can reasonably be expected to head to Asia anytime soon. The best bet is probably to keep him away for a while, and then bring Jones in as part of the secondary cast in another series. He could return, armed with Iron Fist powers once again, and Marvel could continue to build on the last few years' worth of character-work. Perhaps Marvel could eventually team up Iron Fist with Luke Cage in a Heroes for Hire spinoff; barring that, he could become a supporting character in plots that feature Colleen (a rather ironic twist).

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There's one other character whose story really needs to be completed, though. Iron Fist season 3 introduced viewers to Alice Eve's phenomenal Typhoid Mary, a brutal assassin who suffered from dissociative identity disorder. By the end of the season, a third identity was being hinted at - the violent and brutal "Bloody Mary," a murderer who revels in bloodshed and pain. Eve demonstrated tremendous skill in portraying the different identities, and it would be such a shame if such an excellent comic book character was wasted. Fortunately, there may be a neat solution for Typhoid Mary; perhaps she could transition to a future season of Daredevil. The character is traditionally associated with the Man Without Fear, after all, and is one of Matt Murdock's most dangerous foes. It would make perfect sense for Marvel to move her to that series.

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Of course, the reality is that we don't know what Marvel and Netflix have planned right now. They still haven't officially announced third seasons of Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, let alone a fourth season of Daredevil (season 3 streams this Friday). Meanwhile, both the Daughters of the Dragon and the Heroes for Hire spinoffs are ideas that Netflix may not even be interested in. Only time will tell whether the potential of the Iron Fist characters is ever realized.
 
Why Luke Cage & Iron Fist Won't Go To Disney Play


In just a fortnight we've seen Netflix cancel two of their popular Marvel shows, Iron Fist and Luke Cage, which a lot of fans hope will stream on the upcoming Disney streaming service, but that's simply not going to happen. While the characters may well return as cameos, or potentially as co-stars in new spinoffs, they won't be switching from Netflix to a rival streaming service.

The streaming giant is never forthcoming about the business reasons for its decisions, but it's generally believed Iron Fist was canceled due to poor viewing figures. In contrast, reports indicate that conflict between Marvel and Netflix led to the cancellation of Luke Cage, with the partners wanting to push the show in different creative directions. These decisions don't necessarily write Danny Rand and Luke Cage out of potential cameos or even new Netflix spinoffs, of course, but they most certainly leave their future uncertain and Marvel's Netflix slate substantially diminished. That's led to intense speculation that Disney is trying to get the Defenders franchises for its own streaming service, which will launch in late 2019.

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We may not know what the future has in store for Luke Cage and Danny Rand, but one thing seems certain - they're not going to the Disney streaming service, reportedly called Disney Play. According to the New York Times, Disney Play is largely being driven by ascendant Disney executive Ricky Strauss. He's been given creative oversight of programming, and is responsible for - in Disney's own words - driving "the strategic content vision." Strauss is believed to favor family-friendly programming, and that Disney Play shouldn't involve R-rated and mature content; he doesn't think that's how people interact with the Disney brand. That means the Marvel Netflix shows wouldn't fit; they're aimed at a different demographic to Disney Play's expected audience.



In the cases of Luke Cage and Iron Fist, the situation is even worse. Disney hopes to make the streaming service a major competitor, launching a massive range of original content. Do they really want to risk turning it into the place Marvel shows go when they've been canceled by networks or rival streaming sites? That problem is especially potent for Iron Fist. In spite of a dramatically improved second season, it's still the most controversial Marvel Netflix show to date. We don't have any idea of viewing figures for season 2 - Netflix never likes to go public about stats like that - but it's assumed to have performed poorly. It's safe to assume that any Marvel Television original content designed for Disney Play will be high-budget, high-quality. After all, it will be sitting next to original content from Marvel Studios, spinoff eight-to-ten-episode shows starring actors like Tom Hiddleston and Elizabeth Olsen. Content that's failed on another platform is highly unlikely to be relaunched on Disney Play.


In any case, there's another practical reason Disney would be unwilling to produce further seasons of Luke Cage and Iron Fist on Disney Play. Previous seasons are Netflix Originals; Netflix paid for them, and they possess the distribution rights on a permanent basis. Assuming Disney made a third season of Luke Cage or Iron Fist, then, you'd also need to be subscribing to their biggest competitor in order to make sense of it. They'd have limited potential for picking up brand new viewers.

No doubt the relationship between Marvel Television and Netflix is growing a little more strained due to the upcoming launch of Disney Play; that may be contributing to problems in a partnership that, up till now, has been extremely productive. But Disney Play won't be picking up the canceled Marvel Netflix shows.
 
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