Nancy Pelosi Says NO to Impeachment!
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No it doesn't. If everybody didn't do something because somebody else might not ...just damn.
they are just using that as an excuse not to do their job. plain and simple
she said she’s not stopping the inquiry to let Republicans vote on it.
I don't think anybody on here believes that they are about to shut the inquiry down. The issue is that the Democrats are terrible at politics. Why hold a press conference to announce that you are not going to do the one thing that would energize your base? Why hold a press conference to give the Republicans more talking points? More people support removing Trump right now than they did Nixon at similar point and yet the headlines tomorrow will be "Democrats decide against holding impeachment vote".
What are you arguing?
We're both saying the same exact thing in different ways...
you should probably read the article. She’s literally protecting the impeachment.
I will read it...I was responding to how she was reacting early on and resisting.
1/ The hitch is that Trump needs to invent the crisis and control the spectacle. He can’t do that with the impeachment probe. He has lost control of the media narrative. People make fun of how much cable TV Trump watches. Of course he watches TV. How else can he plan his game?
2/ Because he lost control of the narrative, he can’t “govern” the only way he knows how. Snyder explains that governing by [invented] crisis and [controlled] spectacle is a fascist means of gaining and maintaining power.
The technique comes from Putin. . .
3/ . . who learned it from an obscure Russian fascist philosopher, Ivan Ilyin. (Yes, Trump is smart enough to use this technique. He’s a natural, and the technique isn’t hard.) Ilyin was a Russian nobleman who went into exile after the communist revolution.
4/ An admirer of Hitler and Mussolini, Ilyin wrote guidelines for Russian leaders who would come to power after the fall of communism. (He died in 1954). Ilyin believed fascism would eventually replace both communism and democracy. Ilyin admired totalitarianism and order.
5/ The nation, for Ilyin, was like a body. The citizens are the cells. Each must remain in its place. Fascism = order. Democracy & communism = disorder & chaos. Ilyin disliked the middle class, which was always striving for social advancement. . .
6/ Ilyn believed that this fractured society and created chaos. He thought the rulers at the top should rule, everyone else must remain in their place. He thus advocated oligarchy (a few people hold all the power). The task of government, for Ilyin, is to create stability.
7/ Stability isn’t possible with a middle class always trying to lift itself up. Thus the task of the oligarchs is to preserve the status quo, which means preserving their own wealth and power. But you can’t tell the people THAT. So you tell them a good story. . .
8/ You tell them the oligarchs are “redeemers.” The Leader-Redeemer creates a “mystical connection” with the nation and the people. He earns loyalty by protecting the people from "enemies." The fascist way to power is to promise to restore the nation to its mythic greatness.
9/ In a liberal democracy (meaning
) presidents spends their days devising policies that make life better for the people. An oligarch or would-be oligarch can’t do that! If he does, others can rise up and challenge his place at the top. There will be no "stability."
10/ OK, so if Leaders don’t govern in the usual sense (devising policy to better the lives of the citizens) what do they do all day? They manufacture crises. See: https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1183517037194141696… They identify “enemies” (brown people, immigrants, Democrats, liberals, migrants, etc.)
11/ Then they create spectacle by doing battle with the “enemies.” They select enemies that can’t actually hurt them (like homeless poverty-stricken migrant families.) This way they don't have to worry about actual bombs falling on their own heads. It's much safer.
12/ What Trump does well is control the media narrative. He does this partly by creating outrage. See: https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1116342184163196936… He didn’t mind that the Mueller probe was hidden from the public because he and his lawyers knew what was happening behind those closed doors. .
13/ . . . so he knew how to spin the narrative. He misdirected everyone by shouting “NO COLLUSION" for 2 years
People said “yes collusion!” When there wasn't evidence beyond a reasonable for conspiracy, he shouted “COMPLETE EXONERATION.”
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14/ The only thing Trump can do now is flex his muscles and obstruct the proceedings. But it isn’t working! When he obstructs, Schiff announces that they’ll simply fold the obstruction into the Articles of Impeachment. Schiff calmly explains that obstruction shows guilt.
15/ Take Everyone To Court And Stall Until 2021 also isn’t working. Last spring, the House started subpoenaing the key documents (taxes, bank records). They'll soon have what they need. They already have enough.
16/ “At the White House, a grim sense of frustration has set in. . . several (aides) expressed fear that other witnesses would come forward . . .”
https://nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine.html… Of course Trump is frustrated! The House Democrats are in control of the narrative.
17/ Trump can’t do his "work" which consists of
controlling & spinning the media narrative,
inventing the kind of crises he likes, and
sending his critics spinning with outrage. So he attacks the probe as "totally unfair" and Tweets nonsense like this
Trump is losing.
https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1184487574267715585/photo/1
I posted this strategy of his after inauguration
Trumps media strategy
"With the news that Trump is about to announce his Supreme Court appointee, it's clear that his governing strategy in the face of opposition is "flood the zone," which I believe comes from Steve Bannon (it was mentioned in this article).
The idea is for you (team red) to keep your opponent (team blue) reeling and distracted from multiple small attacks that doesn't annihilate blue, but keeps him in disarray.
In other words, when blue is about to counter-attack red's first attack, red has already launched a second one. By proceeding with the original counter-attack, blue cannot provide resistance to counter-attack two. Blue then has to re-assign its forces for counter-attack two, and once that happens, red's third attack is launched.
This pattern prevents blue from successfully executing any counter-attack, and creates the optics of them as flailing and incompetent.
The frustration alone will create exasperation, paranoia, fear, and Senator tears. Essentially, team blue is being toyed about on the battlefield while gradually being weakened with each attack cycle.
Trump's plan to dominate the news cycle is to launch a new piece of chum (policy, executive order, proposal, controversial tweet) that hurts or agitates leftists at the exact time when they are counter-attacking on the previous piece of chum.
This "flood the zone" idea is essentially "stay on the offense." Based on Trump's actions from his first week, I expect that he intends to say on the offense for his entire four years in office.
Because it is very difficult to counter a constantly aggressive player, the left will collapse in disarray or go on the offense themselves, and the only way for them to go on the offense from this position of weakness when they don't control the levers of power is to start a major violent disturbance that could lead to a Civil War.
Based on the increasing violence of their protests, particularly this past weekend, I expect them to start a more systemic plan of violence by this summer."
Move over trump regrets now WH whistle blower
I thought the bitch was tougher than this... One week on the gig and shes exhausted and sounds defeated. She was just talking tough as fuck on inauguration weekend to her "enemies" and the clueless media too... Sad. They trained for a sprint, and found themselves at the starting line for a...
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"With the news that Trump is about to announce his Supreme Court appointee, it's clear that his governing strategy in the face of opposition is "flood the zone," which I believe comes from Steve Bannon (it was mentioned in this article).
The idea is for you (team red) to keep your opponent (team blue) reeling and distracted from multiple small attacks that doesn't annihilate blue, but keeps him in disarray.
In other words, when blue is about to counter-attack red's first attack, red has already launched a second one. By proceeding with the original counter-attack, blue cannot provide resistance to counter-attack two. Blue then has to re-assign its forces for counter-attack two, and once that happens, red's third attack is launched.
This pattern prevents blue from successfully executing any counter-attack, and creates the optics of them as flailing and incompetent.
The frustration alone will create exasperation, paranoia, fear, and Senator tears. Essentially, team blue is being toyed about on the battlefield while gradually being weakened with each attack cycle.
Trump's plan to dominate the news cycle is to launch a new piece of chum (policy, executive order, proposal, controversial tweet) that hurts or agitates leftists at the exact time when they are counter-attacking on the previous piece of chum.
This "flood the zone" idea is essentially "stay on the offense." Based on Trump's actions from his first week, I expect that he intends to say on the offense for his entire four years in office.
Because it is very difficult to counter a constantly aggressive player, the left will collapse in disarray or go on the offense themselves, and the only way for them to go on the offense from this position of weakness when they don't control the levers of power is to start a major violent disturbance that could lead to a Civil War.
Based on the increasing violence of their protests, particularly this past weekend, I expect them to start a more systemic plan of violence by this summer."
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Is it possible that Donald Trump is actively inciting the Democrats to impeach him so that he can play the victim card?
Originally Answered: Is it possible that President Trump is actively inciting the Democrats to impeach him so that he can play the victim card?
Nancy Pelosi has done something unprecedented. She is running impeachment proceedings without a vote. This accomplishes 2 things. Members of Congress don't have to go on record. New members that were elected because they voiced support for the President don't have to go home and explain why they are abandoning that promise. They will have to later, but by then it will be too late for the voters to express their dislike.
The other win for Nancy doing a no-vote impeachment process is the Republicans have no subpoena power and cannot ask questions. The democrats can run all the closed-door meetings they want and release only the sound bites they want. There is no longer any transparency that was the rule of the day just a month ago.
Evening up the playing field is why the President is calling for impeachment.
He will be able to confront his accuser. Both parties will be able to question witnesses and subpoena people. The President will be represented, not just attacked.
What Pelosi is doing is brilliant. It is unprecedented, but not illegal, just like the President deciding not to show his taxes.
Is it possible that Donald Trump is actively inciting the Democrats to impeach him so that he can play the victim card?
Originally Answered: Is it possible that President Trump is actively inciting the Democrats to impeach him so that he can play the victim card?
Nancy Pelosi has done something unprecedented. She is running impeachment proceedings without a vote. This accomplishes 2 things. Members of Congress don't have to go on record. New members that were elected because they voiced support for the President don't have to go home and explain why they are abandoning that promise. They will have to later, but by then it will be too late for the voters to express their dislike.
The other win for Nancy doing a no-vote impeachment process is the Republicans have no subpoena power and cannot ask questions. The democrats can run all the closed-door meetings they want and release only the sound bites they want. There is no longer any transparency that was the rule of the day just a month ago.
Evening up the playing field is why the President is calling for impeachment.
He will be able to confront his accuser. Both parties will be able to question witnesses and subpoena people. The President will be represented, not just attacked.
What Pelosi is doing is brilliant. It is unprecedented, but not illegal, just like the President deciding not to show his taxes.
That's all I'm saying. Whites don't function like normal human beings. They ignore reality to make themselves feel good. I wish the media would be more blunt with that shit but they full of white folks too. Brain dead assholes.
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