Nancy Pelosi needs to go. This bitch is weak and worthless. Get the fuck outta here hoe!!!
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and I see that you have an active agenda to paint every white person who doesn't agree with your holy than thou politics as a racist undercover Republican.
He’s an annoying cracka
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Go tell that to Merrick Garland
Wrong.
I live in a place we're liberal voters have repeatedly elected politicians who have pushed much of the city's Black population into toxic waste dumps, failed at providing the most basic civic services, and for now trying to push the same people out of the neighborhood now that there's richer and whiter people looking to buy in.
No, I paint white people who say that tax law doesn’t favor the rich, that black people shouldn’t vote, that black people should pick themselves up by their bootstraps, that can only say that sometimes, some Republicans are as bad as all Democrats is a racist undercover Republican, and if @HNIC was really on his job, this kind of fuckery would not be tolerated here.
I never said it doesn't favor the rich. I said it favors people who inherit their wealth, make their money from investments, and start businesses.
do I really have to spell out which income group that favors? isn't it good enough to assume people are smart enough to figure out that people who inherit a lot of money are rich?
And no I never said anything about bootstraps either. You implied that to make an ad hominem attack
You want to vote? Fine, go ahead. Just don't expect it to do anything that will improve your situation.
Maybe not for everyone, but for a lot of people it does. They figure they can vote their problems away when that's really not true. And by giving our power to monsters it becomes less true with every passing election.
Lol... you're gonna hit me with Malcolm X's misgivings about liberals now bro? Like I said man, I'm sympathetic to your point of view but I think it's pretty incomplete.
For instance when I spoke to the epically conservative Judiciary we have now (locked in for a generation in no small part thanks to the "voting doesn't matter!" folks like yourself) did you know that Trump/McConnell have pushed through over 100 Federal Justices who are all insanely conservative and have the backing of the lunatic Federalist Society? These are people who are dedicated to overturning hard won Civil Rights battles and to pretend there's an equivalence on this front between Dems and Republicans is to engage in the worst kind of intellectual dishonesty.
Remember, I'm not sitting here pretending that Dems are angels. My argument is pretty clear and I'm not sure you've digested it. Even Noam fucking Chomsky (a hardcore anarcho-syndicalist) has the humility to acknowledge that holding your nose to vote Dem during the Presidential is required in these times when actual fascists are on the ballot. Get over yourself my dude
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"Nancy Pelosi needs to go. This bitch is weak and worthless. Get the fuck outta here hoe!!!"
"You can't even spell ho ..... and you claim
to be black ... you GTFOH !!!"
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"You can't even spell ho ..... and you claim
to be black ... you GTFOH !!!"
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Lol@you talking about gentrification when you yourself are a gentrifyer. You took a spot a black perosn could have had.
I don't know why a censure has not happened? Why is a censure not on the table since she is slow in starting the impeachment process? The Senate can not save Trump from a censure and at least his behavior and slight of hand activities will be on full blast.
Another ad hominem attack from someone who doesn't have a clue what gentrification really is. It's not white people moving into a Black neighborhood. It's developers buying large swaths of land in a Black neighborhood for the expressed purpose of creating an all, or mostly white, settlement. It can also take the form of all white homeowner associations who use predatory tactics to oust residents who are barely clinging on to their property. Gentrification takes the cooperation of the police, banks, real estate agents, as well as elected officials.
but if you really want to stick to the simplistic view that any white person moving into a predominantly Black neighborhood=gentrification then you should also know that I convinced two of my Black friends to move here too.
Lol... you're gonna hit me with Malcolm X's misgivings about liberals now bro? Like I said man, I'm sympathetic to your point of view but I think it's pretty incomplete.
For instance when I spoke to the epically conservative Judiciary we have now (locked in for a generation in no small part thanks to the "voting doesn't matter!" folks like yourself) did you know that Trump/McConnell have pushed through over 100 Federal Justices who are all insanely conservative and have the backing of the lunatic Federalist Society? These are people who are dedicated to overturning hard won Civil Rights battles and to pretend there's an equivalence on this front between Dems and Republicans is to engage in the worst kind of intellectual dishonesty.
Remember, I'm not sitting here pretending that Dems are angels. My argument is pretty clear and I'm not sure you've digested it. Even Noam fucking Chomsky (a hardcore anarcho-syndicalist) has the humility to acknowledge that holding your nose to vote Dem during the Presidential is required in these times when actual fascists are on the ballot. Get over yourself my dude
The Malcolm X quote I was talking about was from his autobiography. It was more along the lines that both candidates were so terrible in their own way that he wouldn't have voted for either had he been in the country at the time. keep in mind that Goldwater was an avowed segregationist and Johnson had just pushed the civil rights act through. by comparison, Trump is certainly akin to Goldwater, but Biden is no LBJ.
My issue is that if you have actual fascists on the ballot (and yes, we certainly do) then all their opponents have to do is not be fascist. They don't need any leadership ability, no moral integrity and no concern for the people they govern. They can end protections enacted to prevent another Great Depression, be in bed with companies that destroy our environment, and have a history of decisions that unjustly send millions of people to war and prison, but as long as they aren't outright fascists they still get our votes. I believe that this is the main reason our country has steadily veered further right with every passing election. It's why institutional racism is getting worse.
It also angers me to see all the abuses against the poor and people of color in my ultra-liberal democratic city and be continually told that we're supposed to keep the party behind these injustices in power. Even as they push us out of our homes.
I don't know all the answers, but if voting Democrat was the solution then San Francisco would be a utopia. It's far from it!
And no, I don't buy the argument that not voting empowers Trump. Hillary Clinton didn't lose because she had less votes. She lost because her party allowed Republicans to rig the game. How is that on me?
While we're on the topic, when was the last time a Republican told racist CACs that not voting empowered Biden? Why does that logic only work in one direction?
So you just said the “liberal politicians” in the town you live in are forcing black people out of their homes so that richer and whiter people can move in. That’s gentrification, right?
So, are you one of the black people that was forced out, or are you one of the white people that moved in?
I'm one of the people they're trying to force out. Not all of us are Black.
Funny considering how many times you claim that by not voting, you don’t give the government power over your life and you can just self rely out of your problems.
So stop crying, grab them bootstraps and self rely yourself out of it.
He’s a troll. I just want the brothas inbthe thread to see he’s a troll and republican plant and ignore the shit he’s spewing.
He used the typical I’m dating a bed wench so I’m down tactic which is probably a lie in itself. Cac is here to make Blacks not vote . He needs to be banned.
If you have empowered a government to help you and they don't what other choice do you have?
at that point all you can do is do for self and try to take as many people with you as possible.
Oh, in case you have a problem with comprehending things, this whole housing situation is one of the main reasons I don't believe in voting. I've been saying that for days now, but it's clear you don't like listening. I'm done talking in circles about it.
Eric Swalwell explains why Democrats are holding off on Trump impeachment
2020 presidential candidate Rep. Eric Swalwell explained on Fox News Sunday why — despite being one of the party's most vocal critics of President Trump — he has found himself among the Democratic lawmakers who have advised against immediately moving forward with impeachment.
"No one is going to question how hard I fought while our democracy has been on the line, but I also believe dearly in the rule of law. I was a prosecutor. I know when I go to court I've got to have my pencil sharpened, my subpoenas ready, my witnesses and exhibits ready to go. You only get one shot at this. I want to make sure we get it right. I think that means first getting the full Mueller report unredacted, getting Mueller to testify himself, getting people like Don McGahn in, and so we are pressing that and we are winning in the courts right now. The president is outnumbered with the subpoena power and the court rulings that are on our side. I think that's a road would go down, but we are not going to do Donald Trump justice here because we only get one shot to make sure the rule of law still stands in America.'
Why it matters: Swalwell's comments largely seem to reflect the thinking among Nancy Pelosi and top Democratic chairs in the House, who have sought to keep calls for impeachment at bay as their investigations proceed. Pressure to impeach is rising, but as Swalwell pointed out, a string of Democratic victories in court over the past few weeks suggests the tide could be turning against Trump's congressional stonewalling.
Dems are fucked they can't win Impeachment and Trump is 3 steps ahead of them
Interesting breakdown from quora
Why has Donald Trump not yet been impeached?
You want the real answer? It’s because of this person…
Yep, it’s Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.
Now, I know what you’re going to say “Wait a minute! She’s the leader of the Democrats and she more than anyone wants Trump impeached!”
But you’re wrong. Here’s why.
Pelosi is smart. She didn’t get to where she is by being a timid dummy. Ever since her last stint as Speaker she has been plotting, crafting her return to the third most powerful position in American government. Pelosi’s own party saw her as too divisive to be Speaker after Paul Ryan left the position, yet here she is again. Her own daughter, Alexandra Pelosi, said “She’ll cut your head off and you won’t even know you’re bleeding.”
Pelosi also knows that it is not in her, or the Democratic Party’s, best interest in impeaching Trump.
At least not right now.
If the Democrats impeached Trump, as many people have tried to get them to do and the Republicans are accusing them of trying to do, Pelosi knows it will backfire on them. Trump is highly popular with those in his base, but not necessarily all those within the Republican establishment and Party. But those in his base are loud, vocal, know how to mobilize, and have huge mouthpieces in the form of Fox News and personalities such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity in their corner. They will play up on the whole “the Democrats have been on this witch hunt for over 2 years” thing and use it as a wedge against the Democrats even if they are right currently or what the Mueller report eventually says.
What Pelosi is doing is letting Trump be Trump. Not a day goes by where he says something that isn’t true, does something that is questionable, or offends someone or something we have accepted as being our norm.
Even if Pelosi decided to let the Democrats proceed with impeachment proceedings right now, which they certainly have enough votes for in the House, there would never be a conviction in the Senate for Trump’s removal as long as there is a Republican majority there.
No, letting Trump be Trump is her strategy. Let him do what he does, and in the meantime gather evidence of abuse of presidential power, corruption, whatever. With this treasure trove of material they will be able to wield it against him where he will be most vulnerable - in the 2020 election.
If, and only if, Trump does something truly, stupendously criminal that meets the standards of Article 2, Section 4 of the Constitution for “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” will they pull the trigger for impeachment. And if they do, which is increasingly possible given recent developments, expect to see moderate Republicans distance themselves from him and vote with the Democrats. Impeachment is an exceedingly difficult thing to do, it’s only been done twice and neither resulted in a conviction.
But once again, if Pelosi permits it to be used, you can rest assured it will meet the standards as she knows the consequences otherwise.
No, Pelosi will use Trump against himself. And in the event that he is voted out of office, he is no longer shielded from criminal prosecution while being in office, and there will be no shortage of material to use against him.
Edit 2 on 3/11/19: Speaker Nancy Pelosi was interviewed by the Washington Post about this very subject on 3/11/19 and said the following:
“I’m not for impeachment. “This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.”
Similarly, in an interview with Politoco, House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-New York said “You don’t want to divide the country, so you have to think you have such a case that once the case is finished being presented, enough people understand you had to do it,”
Sources:
https://www.usnews.com/news/poli...
Pelosi: 'Not worth it' to impeach Trump
Edit 3 on 5/22/19: On Sunday, May 19, 2019 Representative Justin Amash of Michigan became the first Republican member of the House of Representatives to openly call for impeachment of President Trump. In a report by CNN, Amash said that after completely reading the Mueller report he concluded that “Trump committed "impeachable conduct" and accused Attorney General William Barr of intentionally misleading the public.” Amash sent out a series of 13 Tweets that day laying out the reasoning for his position, further stating that "Contrary to Barr's portrayal, Mueller's report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment."
In response to Amash’s statements, President Trump, in the true Trumpian response mode, called Amash “a loser, a total lightweight”.
Justin Amash
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· May 20, 2019
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4. They imply “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” requires charges of a statutory crime or misdemeanor.
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✔@justinamash
In fact, “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars.
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Edit 1: There have been a few questions/comments regarding the filling of the Vice President position if the President is removed by Article 2, Section 4. Here is what it says in the 25th Amendment about that:
25th Amendment: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
So, if by some chance Trump were to be removed and Mike Pence became President, also not something that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats want, he would face an uphill battle in getting a Vice President in place as they would have to be confirmed by both the House and the Senate. There is nothing in the Constitution that says there must be a Vice President in position, only that the President shall nominateone. In fact, there have been an incredible 18 instances where Presidents have either not had a Vice President or have not filled the position after a vacancy occurred. James Madison was elected President twice, had both Vice Presidents die in office, and both times just left the position open. Why? Becasue until the 25th Amendment was adopted the position couldn’t be filled until after the next post-election inaguration. The last two times this section of the Constitution was invoked both dealt with Richard Nixon, first when he appointed Gerald Ford to replace Spiro Agnew and then when Ford appointed Nelson Rockefeller to be his Vice President after assuming the presidency after Nixon resigned.
If Pence did become President he most likely would have an open Vice President position until the 2024 election was over and the next president was inagurated
Nuther view
Why hasn't Donald Trump been impeached yet?
The Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is making a political choice to let Trump continue to embarrass himself and remind his opponents every day what a corrupt and incompetent person he is. The more time he’s in office, the more things he does that can be used against him politically.
If the House were to impeach Trump, it’s hard to see how it would succeed in removing him from office. The Senate Leader Mitch McConnell would work to prevent that. That’s how the process works: the House impeaches, which is like an indictment, but that doesn’t remove the President. Following impeachment, a trial happens in the Senate, and it’s possible for there to be no conviction. Even if the Senate did convict Trump, they might not remove him from office.
Then Trump would claim this was an exoneration of everything he had been accused of, and all the criticisms against him would have to start over at square one. Politics is not about truth.
Even if by a long-shot Trump were impeached, convicted, and removed from office, what then? Vice President Mike Pence would replace him, and some people believe Pence is even more dangerous, having more political experience (as Governor of Indiana), less political baggage to hinder his agenda, and less obvious mental instability than Trump.
But there’s not nearly as much political opposition built up against Mike Pence’s brand, so he might have a greater chance of reelection in 2020 than Trump will.
The opposition against Trump is more likely to motivate voter turnout in 2020. He is more likely than practically any another Republican candidate to be defeated. Besides, when more voters go to the polls, it’s usually better for the Democratic candidate in other races. A strong defeat for Trump will make it harder for other GOP politicians, so leaving Trump in office at least through the 2020 election cycle will do more to help Democrats than it would to remove him.
At least that’s the likely reason why Nancy Pelosi isn’t proceeding with impeachment.
It’s unfortunate for all the people Trump is currently hurting and will continue to hurt until he’s out of office, like American farmers, business owners, and consumers (victims of his trade war), and the 50,000+ Central American migrants in detention, and many others.
Nancy Pelosi is counting on the American people to vote Trump out of office in 2020 with enough of a landslide to discredit him and his family and allies.
P.S.: I also agree with Ray Loewe’s answer
Why has Donald Trump not yet been impeached?
You want the real answer? It’s because of this person…
Yep, it’s Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.
Now, I know what you’re going to say “Wait a minute! She’s the leader of the Democrats and she more than anyone wants Trump impeached!”
But you’re wrong. Here’s why.
Pelosi is smart. She didn’t get to where she is by being a timid dummy. Ever since her last stint as Speaker she has been plotting, crafting her return to the third most powerful position in American government. Pelosi’s own party saw her as too divisive to be Speaker after Paul Ryan left the position, yet here she is again. Her own daughter, Alexandra Pelosi, said “She’ll cut your head off and you won’t even know you’re bleeding.”
Pelosi also knows that it is not in her, or the Democratic Party’s, best interest in impeaching Trump.
At least not right now.
If the Democrats impeached Trump, as many people have tried to get them to do and the Republicans are accusing them of trying to do, Pelosi knows it will backfire on them. Trump is highly popular with those in his base, but not necessarily all those within the Republican establishment and Party. But those in his base are loud, vocal, know how to mobilize, and have huge mouthpieces in the form of Fox News and personalities such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity in their corner. They will play up on the whole “the Democrats have been on this witch hunt for over 2 years” thing and use it as a wedge against the Democrats even if they are right currently or what the Mueller report eventually says.
What Pelosi is doing is letting Trump be Trump. Not a day goes by where he says something that isn’t true, does something that is questionable, or offends someone or something we have accepted as being our norm.
Even if Pelosi decided to let the Democrats proceed with impeachment proceedings right now, which they certainly have enough votes for in the House, there would never be a conviction in the Senate for Trump’s removal as long as there is a Republican majority there.
No, letting Trump be Trump is her strategy. Let him do what he does, and in the meantime gather evidence of abuse of presidential power, corruption, whatever. With this treasure trove of material they will be able to wield it against him where he will be most vulnerable - in the 2020 election.
If, and only if, Trump does something truly, stupendously criminal that meets the standards of Article 2, Section 4 of the Constitution for “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” will they pull the trigger for impeachment. And if they do, which is increasingly possible given recent developments, expect to see moderate Republicans distance themselves from him and vote with the Democrats. Impeachment is an exceedingly difficult thing to do, it’s only been done twice and neither resulted in a conviction.
But once again, if Pelosi permits it to be used, you can rest assured it will meet the standards as she knows the consequences otherwise.
No, Pelosi will use Trump against himself. And in the event that he is voted out of office, he is no longer shielded from criminal prosecution while being in office, and there will be no shortage of material to use against him.
Edit 2 on 3/11/19: Speaker Nancy Pelosi was interviewed by the Washington Post about this very subject on 3/11/19 and said the following:
“I’m not for impeachment. “This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.”
Similarly, in an interview with Politoco, House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-New York said “You don’t want to divide the country, so you have to think you have such a case that once the case is finished being presented, enough people understand you had to do it,”
Sources:
https://www.usnews.com/news/poli...
Pelosi: 'Not worth it' to impeach Trump
Edit 3 on 5/22/19: On Sunday, May 19, 2019 Representative Justin Amash of Michigan became the first Republican member of the House of Representatives to openly call for impeachment of President Trump. In a report by CNN, Amash said that after completely reading the Mueller report he concluded that “Trump committed "impeachable conduct" and accused Attorney General William Barr of intentionally misleading the public.” Amash sent out a series of 13 Tweets that day laying out the reasoning for his position, further stating that "Contrary to Barr's portrayal, Mueller's report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment."
In response to Amash’s statements, President Trump, in the true Trumpian response mode, called Amash “a loser, a total lightweight”.
Justin Amash
✔@justinamash
· May 20, 2019
Replying to @justinamash
4. They imply “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” requires charges of a statutory crime or misdemeanor.
Justin Amash
✔@justinamash
In fact, “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars.
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Edit 1: There have been a few questions/comments regarding the filling of the Vice President position if the President is removed by Article 2, Section 4. Here is what it says in the 25th Amendment about that:
25th Amendment: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
So, if by some chance Trump were to be removed and Mike Pence became President, also not something that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats want, he would face an uphill battle in getting a Vice President in place as they would have to be confirmed by both the House and the Senate. There is nothing in the Constitution that says there must be a Vice President in position, only that the President shall nominateone. In fact, there have been an incredible 18 instances where Presidents have either not had a Vice President or have not filled the position after a vacancy occurred. James Madison was elected President twice, had both Vice Presidents die in office, and both times just left the position open. Why? Becasue until the 25th Amendment was adopted the position couldn’t be filled until after the next post-election inaguration. The last two times this section of the Constitution was invoked both dealt with Richard Nixon, first when he appointed Gerald Ford to replace Spiro Agnew and then when Ford appointed Nelson Rockefeller to be his Vice President after assuming the presidency after Nixon resigned.
If Pence did become President he most likely would have an open Vice President position until the 2024 election was over and the next president was inagurated
Nuther view
Why hasn't Donald Trump been impeached yet?
The Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is making a political choice to let Trump continue to embarrass himself and remind his opponents every day what a corrupt and incompetent person he is. The more time he’s in office, the more things he does that can be used against him politically.
If the House were to impeach Trump, it’s hard to see how it would succeed in removing him from office. The Senate Leader Mitch McConnell would work to prevent that. That’s how the process works: the House impeaches, which is like an indictment, but that doesn’t remove the President. Following impeachment, a trial happens in the Senate, and it’s possible for there to be no conviction. Even if the Senate did convict Trump, they might not remove him from office.
Then Trump would claim this was an exoneration of everything he had been accused of, and all the criticisms against him would have to start over at square one. Politics is not about truth.
Even if by a long-shot Trump were impeached, convicted, and removed from office, what then? Vice President Mike Pence would replace him, and some people believe Pence is even more dangerous, having more political experience (as Governor of Indiana), less political baggage to hinder his agenda, and less obvious mental instability than Trump.
But there’s not nearly as much political opposition built up against Mike Pence’s brand, so he might have a greater chance of reelection in 2020 than Trump will.
The opposition against Trump is more likely to motivate voter turnout in 2020. He is more likely than practically any another Republican candidate to be defeated. Besides, when more voters go to the polls, it’s usually better for the Democratic candidate in other races. A strong defeat for Trump will make it harder for other GOP politicians, so leaving Trump in office at least through the 2020 election cycle will do more to help Democrats than it would to remove him.
At least that’s the likely reason why Nancy Pelosi isn’t proceeding with impeachment.
It’s unfortunate for all the people Trump is currently hurting and will continue to hurt until he’s out of office, like American farmers, business owners, and consumers (victims of his trade war), and the 50,000+ Central American migrants in detention, and many others.
Nancy Pelosi is counting on the American people to vote Trump out of office in 2020 with enough of a landslide to discredit him and his family and allies.
P.S.: I also agree with Ray Loewe’s answer
This is the Dems biggest mistake. They continue to believe that if the American people just knew! They would be as upset about this as I am!
And so it goes from, if it’s just reported on, if there are just articles, if we just had him on tape saying it, if he just slipped up and said it on live tv, if a court would just make him an unindicted co-conspirator, if the FBI would just investigate him, if there was only a special prosecutor, if only Mueller gets to finish his investigation, if only we get to see the report...
Now it’s if only Mueller testifies in public, then it will be if only we have impeachment hearings on live TV
Still that belief that it’s just that people don’t know and if we can just make it easier or force them to watch, they will be as alarmed and as upset as I am...
Instead of understanding the thing trump got right in 2016 and beyond...
Most of the people in this country really don’t give a fuck.
That’s why he says and does these things and gets away with it.
I’m putting it here before any of this happens.
After Mueller testifies in public and after impeachment hearings on TV, Trump’s popularity will be right where it has always been 35-45 percent.
Make the case with voters to come out and vote blue in 2020 dammit.
Stop focusing on Trump.
This bitch needs to go!!!!
Pelosi: Many want to impeach Trump, but we need to make a "compelling" case
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...ay-29-2019/h_650b0d5b73581ac84f010fddccda0dfd
Pelosi: Many want to impeach Trump, but we need to make a "compelling" case
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...ay-29-2019/h_650b0d5b73581ac84f010fddccda0dfd
Dems need a newt Gingrich
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