Trump's plan is to make the election about impeachment and not about healthcare. The moment the Dems start impeachment, celebrations will break out all across the white house.
Nancy Pelosi needs to go. This bitch is weak and worthless. Get the fuck outta here hoe!!!
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Trump's plan is to make the election about impeachment and not about healthcare. The moment the Dems start impeachment, celebrations will break out all across the white house.
Both can't be true. Impeachment expedites the truth coming out.
And while being impeached, he loses vast executive powers (like pardon pardons, executive privilege, etc).... all out the window and that has always been his leverage.
Indeed, and it need sto be done so that it can be said all options have been exhausted and now there’s just the ballot.
At this point it is a moral obligation.
I think Pelosi is gonna ride out. She probably loves the way Biden is polling and just believes Trump can be ousted at the ballot box.
and yeah.. either do it or let it die... the dumbest thing they can do is wait this out and inject it into the conversation once election season really begins. No way she's that stupid.
She just might be this stupid, the worst thing to do is just waffle about it. She can’t hold this off for 18 months. I think she needs to do it so as not to suppress the base. The way to lose is to make your base feel that voting is worthless. You want people fired up to vote,
Of Course She Is....That Donor Money is Gonna Come Rolling In Hand Over Fist This Time Next Year and She Gotsta Get Paid
I have him on ignore and I’m starting to believe @HNIC is a federal plant as well, mofo can’t even keep racist crackas off BLACK girls online
He’s come out of lurkdom just in time to start pushing “black people shouldn’t vote” and “republicans aren’t bad” campaigns just in time for the election.
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Tom Steyer: "Impeachment is a way to reaffirm our belief that everyone is accountable"
Billionaire activist tells Salon Trump should be in prison and Democrats' fears about impeachment are nonsense
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MAY 22, 2019 10:00AM (UTC)
One week ago, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi insisted that her caucus should not deviate from its 2020 focus on health care and the economy in pursuit of impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump. It is a position to which she’s held firmly since retaking the gavel in January, and according to the Washington Post, not a single House Democrat objected to her request.
That was a week ago.
Since then, billionaire impeachment proponent Tom Steyer returned to the airwaves with a new ad campaign that features a new target: Democrats. Then came a real bombshell: Rep. Justin Amash, a conservative Republican from Michigan and member of the House Freedom Caucus, became the first member of his party to support the impeachment of the president. Pelosi has now scheduled an emergency meeting with House Democrats to discuss impeachment for Wednesday morning.
It’s clear that Pelosi is now in a bind because her initial strategy of attempting to build the case for impeachment through investigations has been effectively thwarted by Trump with his policy of no cooperation across the board. Democrats find themselves in a box where the only way get the transparency they seek would be through the impeachment, which everyone knows will ultimately fail, at least in the sense that the Republican-led Senate will fail to convict Trump no matter what evidence comes forward. Failing to impeach, on the other hand, is a political calculation that proves more impotent with each passing day.
The House Judiciary Committee recently voted to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt of Congress for his refusal to provide the committee with the full, unredacted version of Robert Mueller’s report on the Russia investigation. In turn, the Justice Department offered some of the requested counterintelligence materials from the Mueller report — but only on the condition that Democrats would not pursue "enforcement action" against the attorney general.
That offer came only hours after Trump’s former White House counsel, Don McGahn, defied a congressional subpoena to testify. Pelosi’ stalling tactic, whereby Democrats waited for Mueller’s report only to serve up contempt citations against administration officials who disobey subpoenas, has only frustrated their base and emboldened Trump.
The "total stonewalling of the Congress’ power by the administration with a degree of contempt and arrogance is startling,” Steyer told Salon in a Tuesday interview. “Trump doesn’t believe in equal powers, or oversight, or laws or the Constitution. The American people can see it.”
“Clearly this is a guy who would be in prison if, in fact, he weren’t sitting in the White House," Steyer said. "He would be prosecuted successfully for obstruction of justice if there wasn’t a Department of Justice policy that you don’t prosecute sitting presidents of the United States.”
Steyer’s group, Need to Impeach, recently released a $1 million ad buy for national networks in New Hampshire and Iowa criticizing Democratic Party leaders for doing nothing.
A few Democrats have since started to speak out in favor of starting the impeachment process, including some from key swing states like Wisconsin and Florida that will play a pivotal role in Trump’s re-election effort.
Rep. Mark Pocan
✔@repmarkpocan
https://twitter.com/repmarkpocan/status/1130831665478164481
Regrettably, POTUS's most recent actions & continued disrespect for the Constitution are forcing us down the road to impeachment.
Congress is a co-equal branch of government, charged with oversight of the Executive Branch & with the power to subpoena information and individuals.
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Rep. Don Beyer
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https://twitter.com/RepDonBeyer/status/1130963901854695425
The time has come for the House of Representatives to open an impeachment inquiry into the conduct of President Trump.
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“Every day, the leadership of the Democratic Party admonishes Donald Trump’s pattern of reckless lawbreaking and corruption. But when pressed about what they plan to do about it, they fail to act,” Steyer said in a statement issued alongside the ad’s release. Democrats’ message, in other words, is that Trump is horrible and dangerous and a grave threat to the country and Constitution — but not bad enough to require them to do anything about it.
With his ad campaign and congressional lobbying effort, Steyer says he hopes to convince Democrats that their political calculation that impeachment will hurt their electoral chances in 2020 is misguided.
“All the political arguments about why it is smart to shield Trump don’t make any sense and are not borne out by the facts,” Steyer argued. He pointed to the impeachment of Bill Clinton to prove his point. Republicans, Steyer said wryly, were punished so severely for their efforts in the election following their impeachment attempt that they won control of the entire federal government, including the presidency.
Richard Nixon had just been re-elected in a landslide and stood at 65% approval when Democrats launched the Senate Watergate inquiry in February 1973, Steyer pointed out. The full airing of evidence and testimony against Nixon quickly eroded his support, bringing it to 39% in July 1973.
“To drag this out will not only normalize the president and end the possibility of impeachment, it will also frustrate the American people,” Steyer told Salon.
“This president is clearly trying to run out the clock,” he explained. “And to the extent that Democrats ... enable him to be a president who has a few differences with Congress but who is otherwise a normal president working on a bipartisan fashion to get things done for Americans — to the extent that is true, that will in fact take impeachment off the table. That will in fact take the power out of the hands of the American people. That will in fact spike the effort and make it irrelevant what the American people ultimately want.”
Steyer makes the case that contrary to Pelosi’s insistence, Democrats won back the House in reaction to Trump’s rise rather than on their own agenda.
“It is true that if you polled people the No. 1 issue at that time was health care. But it wasn’t like people just discovered health care in 2018," Steyer said. "The reason why health care was such a big issue was partially because the president tried to kill the Affordable Care Act three times. So it wasn’t health care people were concerned with, it was the removal of health care by a hostile president.”
Referring to the dramatically increased voter turnout of the 2018 midterms, Steyer said: “Twenty-four million people did not show up in 2018 because all of a sudden they realized they had to go to the doctor. Everybody realized that in 2014, I assure you. In 2014 they were assuming there would be a doctor they could go to.” Democratic voters, Steyer contends, want Democrats to hold Trump accountable in order to protect the Democratic agenda.
That sentiment was echoed by Rep. Val Demmings of Florida, a freshman Democrat elected during the 2018 midterms, on Tuesday. As she explained on CNN, when Democrats "protect our democracy, we protect health care, we protect immigration, we protect people covered by TPS (temporary protection status), and we protect those things that are important to the American people.”
In a Democratic primary campaign overloaded with candidates, Steyer is one of the few people in America not already running for president who probably should be. His clear-eyed advocacy for impeachment is unmatched even in the most crowded presidential field in modern history. As he lays out the case, the prevailing wisdom that Trump is currently too strong to launch formal impeachment proceedings is not based in historical nor contemporary data. And there is no clear evidence that once the impeachment process begins, it is likely to drive Trump’s numbers up.
As for Nancy Pelosi, she can have her cake and eat it too. After meeting with ever impatient caucus on Wednesday to hash out the plan on impeachment, the speaker will head to the White House to continue talks with President Trump on an infrastructure plan. As Steyer explained, impeachment will help with that cause.
"This country is sorely lacking a positive shared vision for the future. Impeachment is the first step towards renewing our civic engagement so that we can work out a shared positive vision about what it means to be an American and what America itself is about, which is the goal of the whole exercise.
"Impeachment is a way for us to reaffirm our belief in the system itself, our belief in the system of laws, our belief that everyone is accountable to the laws and that Americans have the ability and the courage to pursue the American experiment that was supposed to have been leading the world."
That offer came only hours after Trump’s former White House counsel, Don McGahn, defied a congressional subpoena to testify. Pelosi’ stalling tactic, whereby Democrats waited for Mueller’s report only to serve up contempt citations against administration officials who disobey subpoenas, has only frustrated their base and emboldened Trump.
The "total stonewalling of the Congress’ power by the administration with a degree of contempt and arrogance is startling,” Steyer told Salon in a Tuesday interview. “Trump doesn’t believe in equal powers, or oversight, or laws or the Constitution. The American people can see it.”
“Clearly this is a guy who would be in prison if, in fact, he weren’t sitting in the White House," Steyer said. "He would be prosecuted successfully for obstruction of justice if there wasn’t a Department of Justice policy that you don’t prosecute sitting presidents of the United States.”
Steyer’s group, Need to Impeach, recently released a $1 million ad buy for national networks in New Hampshire and Iowa criticizing Democratic Party leaders for doing nothing.
A few Democrats have since started to speak out in favor of starting the impeachment process, including some from key swing states like Wisconsin and Florida that will play a pivotal role in Trump’s re-election effort.
Rep. Mark Pocan
✔@repmarkpocan
https://twitter.com/repmarkpocan/status/1130831665478164481
Regrettably, POTUS's most recent actions & continued disrespect for the Constitution are forcing us down the road to impeachment.
Congress is a co-equal branch of government, charged with oversight of the Executive Branch & with the power to subpoena information and individuals.
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https://twitter.com/RepDonBeyer/status/1130963901854695425
The time has come for the House of Representatives to open an impeachment inquiry into the conduct of President Trump.
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“Every day, the leadership of the Democratic Party admonishes Donald Trump’s pattern of reckless lawbreaking and corruption. But when pressed about what they plan to do about it, they fail to act,” Steyer said in a statement issued alongside the ad’s release. Democrats’ message, in other words, is that Trump is horrible and dangerous and a grave threat to the country and Constitution — but not bad enough to require them to do anything about it.
With his ad campaign and congressional lobbying effort, Steyer says he hopes to convince Democrats that their political calculation that impeachment will hurt their electoral chances in 2020 is misguided.
“All the political arguments about why it is smart to shield Trump don’t make any sense and are not borne out by the facts,” Steyer argued. He pointed to the impeachment of Bill Clinton to prove his point. Republicans, Steyer said wryly, were punished so severely for their efforts in the election following their impeachment attempt that they won control of the entire federal government, including the presidency.
Richard Nixon had just been re-elected in a landslide and stood at 65% approval when Democrats launched the Senate Watergate inquiry in February 1973, Steyer pointed out. The full airing of evidence and testimony against Nixon quickly eroded his support, bringing it to 39% in July 1973.
“To drag this out will not only normalize the president and end the possibility of impeachment, it will also frustrate the American people,” Steyer told Salon.
“This president is clearly trying to run out the clock,” he explained. “And to the extent that Democrats ... enable him to be a president who has a few differences with Congress but who is otherwise a normal president working on a bipartisan fashion to get things done for Americans — to the extent that is true, that will in fact take impeachment off the table. That will in fact take the power out of the hands of the American people. That will in fact spike the effort and make it irrelevant what the American people ultimately want.”
Steyer makes the case that contrary to Pelosi’s insistence, Democrats won back the House in reaction to Trump’s rise rather than on their own agenda.
“It is true that if you polled people the No. 1 issue at that time was health care. But it wasn’t like people just discovered health care in 2018," Steyer said. "The reason why health care was such a big issue was partially because the president tried to kill the Affordable Care Act three times. So it wasn’t health care people were concerned with, it was the removal of health care by a hostile president.”
Referring to the dramatically increased voter turnout of the 2018 midterms, Steyer said: “Twenty-four million people did not show up in 2018 because all of a sudden they realized they had to go to the doctor. Everybody realized that in 2014, I assure you. In 2014 they were assuming there would be a doctor they could go to.” Democratic voters, Steyer contends, want Democrats to hold Trump accountable in order to protect the Democratic agenda.
That sentiment was echoed by Rep. Val Demmings of Florida, a freshman Democrat elected during the 2018 midterms, on Tuesday. As she explained on CNN, when Democrats "protect our democracy, we protect health care, we protect immigration, we protect people covered by TPS (temporary protection status), and we protect those things that are important to the American people.”
In a Democratic primary campaign overloaded with candidates, Steyer is one of the few people in America not already running for president who probably should be. His clear-eyed advocacy for impeachment is unmatched even in the most crowded presidential field in modern history. As he lays out the case, the prevailing wisdom that Trump is currently too strong to launch formal impeachment proceedings is not based in historical nor contemporary data. And there is no clear evidence that once the impeachment process begins, it is likely to drive Trump’s numbers up.
As for Nancy Pelosi, she can have her cake and eat it too. After meeting with ever impatient caucus on Wednesday to hash out the plan on impeachment, the speaker will head to the White House to continue talks with President Trump on an infrastructure plan. As Steyer explained, impeachment will help with that cause.
"This country is sorely lacking a positive shared vision for the future. Impeachment is the first step towards renewing our civic engagement so that we can work out a shared positive vision about what it means to be an American and what America itself is about, which is the goal of the whole exercise.
"Impeachment is a way for us to reaffirm our belief in the system itself, our belief in the system of laws, our belief that everyone is accountable to the laws and that Americans have the ability and the courage to pursue the American experiment that was supposed to have been leading the world."
Spineless
You do know the elections are more than a year away right? If this were any other country there wouldn't even be anyone in the race yet.
Man it was too many ppl responding to you the other day, I wanted to let that shit breathe
Look, I'm sympathetic to the idea of "logging off" so to speak. We've been headed down a road that feels more plutocratic than anything else with both parties representing more or less the same monied interests. There are still meaningful differences that affect real lives here in the States tho.
That's why I think it's important to have a more nuanced view. Yea we should work to build a third party alternative. Yea we should join orgs like Wolf Pac which seeks to get money out of politics. Yea we should be more self sufficient (you mentioned undocumented ppl but black folks have been going it alone for a long time). But having said all this there's a certain naivete in not being able to hold your nose and vote for the party that isn't actively working to limit voting rights of minorities, or actively working to limit women's reproductive rights, or otherwise robbing middle class and working poor of "entitlements" to fund lavish and unnecessary tax cuts for the richest. I'm under no illusions that Dems are perfect angels but I'm also not under any illusions that there's some kind of equivalence between these parties in the broad effects of their policies. Nuance my guy.
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Wasnt Florida residents complaining last hurricane because local laws prevented them from using solar as a backup?
I don't know the law for every jurisdiction, but with the ongoing research in battery technology it won't matter for much longer.
We're already at a point where anyone with a rudimentary understanding of electronics and a few hundred bucks can make a 2000 watt power station capable of running a cement mixer and fully charge from a 400w solar panel within less than 15 minutes. You can call the cops on your neighbor for breaking this law and by the time police show up he's already done. Then what?
These graphene supercapacitors are becoming more common everyday. Tesla has even bought out a manufacturing company the help with the production of their electric cars. Samsung is already doing the same.
Even if solar backup system become illegal nationwide eventually it will become so useful and affordable that there will be no real way to enforce that law.
To put it another way, the original cord cutters started by illegally downloading the TV shows and movies that they wanted to watch. This led to a demand for faster internet which in turn led to streaming companies. Pretty soon more people have less need for cable. It's gotten to the point that even my parents don't have it anymore.
Likewise, personal power systems will one day take us to the point where having an electric bill will be as obsolete as having a landline telephone bill.
Man it was too many ppl responding to you the other day, I wanted to let that shit breathe
Look, I'm sympathetic to the idea of "logging off" so to speak. We've been headed down a road that feels more plutocratic than anything else with both parties representing more or less the same monied interests. There are still meaningful differences that affect real lives here in the States tho.
That's why I think it's important to have a more nuanced view. Yea we should work to build a third party alternative. Yea we should join orgs like Wolf Pac which seeks to get money out of politics. Yea we should be more self sufficient (you mentioned undocumented ppl but black folks have been going it alone for a long time). But having said all this there's a certain naivete in not being able to hold your nose and vote for the party that isn't actively working to limit voting rights of minorities, or actively working to limit women's reproductive rights, or otherwise robbing middle class and working poor of "entitlements" to fund lavish and unnecessary tax cuts for the richest. I'm under no illusions that Dems are perfect angels but I'm also not under any illusions that there's some kind of equivalence between these parties in the broad effects of their policies. Nuance my guy.
I can respect that.
And honestly, even if you agreed with my non-voting stance my first question would be "if not that, then what?"
As far as tax cuts go, it's not completely accurate to say that most of the tax breaks go to the rich. if you were an employee making 2 million a year to most of that's going to go to taxes. However, if you inherited that money, got that money as investment income, or were an entrepreneur that's when you get the breaks. That's why Mark Zuckerberg only pays himself $1 a year for being the CEO of Facebook.
The question isn't who can we vote in to make that system more fair, the question is what can you and I do to make that system work for us? Obviously inheriting wealth is not an option, but starting a business and taking advantage of those same tax breaks is. Once we become a living example of how that can work spread the knowledge, support, and encouragement so that our friends families and neighbors can do the same.
As far as women's reproductive rights go, we should be in full favor of legal and unrestricted abortions, but how many people would be willing to drive a woman with an unwanted pregnancy into another state where she could legally get one? How many would even chip in on the gas? I don't ask these questions to shame anyone. Just to illustrate that there are ways to deal with an abusive government other than handing over your power to a slightly less abusive one.
That's why I believe in the policy of not voting until you are presented with a candidate who is truly worthy of your vote. Imo, this is the only way that a legitimate third-party will ever come about.
Man it was too many ppl responding to you the other day, I wanted to let that shit breathe
Look, I'm sympathetic to the idea of "logging off" so to speak. We've been headed down a road that feels more plutocratic than anything else with both parties representing more or less the same monied interests. There are still meaningful differences that affect real lives here in the States tho.
That's why I think it's important to have a more nuanced view. Yea we should work to build a third party alternative. Yea we should join orgs like Wolf Pac which seeks to get money out of politics. Yea we should be more self sufficient (you mentioned undocumented ppl but black folks have been going it alone for a long time). But having said all this there's a certain naivete in not being able to hold your nose and vote for the party that isn't actively working to limit voting rights of minorities, or actively working to limit women's reproductive rights, or otherwise robbing middle class and working poor of "entitlements" to fund lavish and unnecessary tax cuts for the richest. I'm under no illusions that Dems are perfect angels but I'm also not under any illusions that there's some kind of equivalence between these parties in the broad effects of their policies. Nuance my guy.
Man that dude is just an undercover Republican. His only critique of Republicans is that they are sometimes just as bad as Democrats and had the nerve to say most tax cuts don’t go to the rich.
You still need to vote, even if you have to write in candidates in certain races.
Nah, son.
I said this months ago....
Nancy is playing chess, not checkers.
Dems are, and have always been soft
as cotton candy but she's doing the
best possible thing in this situation.
I said this months ago....
Nancy is playing chess, not checkers.
Dems are, and have always been soft
as cotton candy but she's doing the
best possible thing in this situation.
Nah.
The election is a year and a half
away. They need to let all of these
investigations play out first.
Mofos getting too hyped up, too
early.
It might not be popular and glamorous
but she is doing the best thing, given
the situation.
I wish y’all would stop saying this.
But why?
He’s a republican or libertarian and he knows white privilege will take care of him no matter what so I’m glad he’s not voting.
He just needs to spread this “don’t vote” shit amongst his people instead of ours.
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Yall need to stop with the "we need to see how many crimes he's committed". I've read all angles of the arguments to impeach vs play the congressional oversight route. He's neutered to the point where they can't even do oversight. You get to a point where you have a responsibility to use the power you have. Anyone else.... anyone.... republican or democrat, would have long been impeached by this point. The reality is that she's scared of Trump. They all are. She thinks he's doing to use impeachment against her. They're scared.
She doesn't care about the investigations playing out. She's worried about this:
This is way too idealistic my guy and your comments that suggest our current tax policy isn't a boon to the absolute richest among us borders on delusional. Your comments on learning to make the tax system work for normal people traffics in the worst kind of libertarian grift. The status quo doesn't deserve so much reverence.
Sure, I'm in agreement that every single person should hustle and do everything they can to succeed regardless of the outside circumstances but that's not the point here... Republicans have just locked up the Judiciary for a generation with extreme justices who literally have qualms about landmark civil rights legislation like Brown vs Board of Education and Roe vs Wade. This shit isn't abstract... they are working day and night to turn the clock back in this bitch... an example is the decision made last year to gut the Voting Rights Act. This has tangible (very negative) consequences for people of color. You guys need to stop pretending this a zero sum game and join the adults who are capable of making choices between less than ideal options on a daily basis.
Yall need to stop with the "we need to see how many crimes he's committed". I've read all angles of the arguments to impeach vs play the congressional oversight route. He's neutered to the point where they can't even do oversight. You get to a point where you have a responsibility to use the power you have. Anyone else.... anyone.... republican or democrat, would have long been impeached by this point. The reality is that she's scared of Trump. They all are. She thinks he's doing to use impeachment against her. They're scared.
She doesn't care about the investigations playing out. She's worried about this:
That can’t be the public reason you don’t impeach. She’s making this a bigger mess by fighting off her entire caucus. If you impeach now, the media can’t only ask you impeachment questions in 2020. They have to ask about healthcare.
She needs to start this.
He’s protected by white privilege. For him, it really doesn’t matter who get elected.
She at least needs to lay out the clear path. The Dem base voted for her to take action on checking the executive branch. The frustration is going to end up being the lack of a clear, public action-plan rather than the actual impeachment process itself (or lack of) shortly
Reminds me of a lot of news anchors. In the end, they're not losing sleep over any of this. It's just all entertainment and viewership.
Like Trump didn't fuck up white people's lives too? Like Black people had it so great under Obama? Open your eyes! Both of these parties have a gun to the country's head and you're debating over which side to give the bullets to.
Of course the tax system favors the rich. But why would you depend on rich politicians with even richer donors to fix it? Where's the logic in that?
Locked up the judiciary? LOL Republicans replaced 2 of the 9 justices. One of these replacements was done while Obama was still in office! Some see that as Democrats being weak I see it as collusion.
To be real, I have qualms about Roe versus Wade too. Not for the reasons Republicans do, but because despite that ruling eight states just passed some of the most Draconian abortion laws the free world has seen in decades.
Gutting the voting Rights act, Republicans already did that through computer-generated gerrymandering. The Democratic party saw it happening, but really didn't care until they lost the White House.
Now all of a sudden they are ever so concerned about Black people's right to vote? Once they get your vote and take power they are going right back to not giving a shit.
As for Brown vs Board of education, it was unofficially overturned years ago. Redlining, white flight, "incorporated" all white neighborhoods, the charter and private school movement etc. Most of it was done to keep their kids away from ours. Most of it was done in Democratic territories.
You ask me to 'join the adults'. Okay, first let me ask you where Malcom X stood on the Goldwater vs Johnson presidential race. Then tell me what's changed since then.
Then why the fuck do you spend so much time telling black people not to vote if you don’t give a fuck? You been in these threads strong. So it’s not that you don’t want to vote. One less white person voting is good for us. It that you are hell bent on getting black people not to vote. You could be anywhere else on this forum not giving a fuck and happily not voting, yet you choose to stay in these threads trying to convince black people not go vote.
Why don’t you go over to stormfront and comvince some of YOUR people not to vote.
I don't do stormfront, but yeah, I've been telling white people not to vote as well. Why? Because I feel compelled to spread the message that we need to solve our own problems independently from the government. That voting, much like Facebook activism, is mostly just an illusion to make us feel like we're making a difference without really changing anything.
I live in one of the most liberal cities in the country yet I've seen these open-minded liberal politicians screw us out of our homes, essential services, all so that they can make a shitload of money selling homes to ultra rich white people. Exact same thing that's happening across the bridge in Oakland, another liberal American city.
So who do we turn to? Not the Republicans. They are every bit as rotten and they'll tell you that right to your face.
So what if we just turned to ourselves instead?
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