Music Debate: RAKIM RESPONDS TO OUTKAST BEING RANKED NO. 1 OVER HIM & ERIC B. ON BILLBOARD RAP LIST

FuriousStyles

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I rep GA to the fullest and Outkast are my folks but y'all gotta be smoking that stuff to say 3000 can touch Rakim as an MC. Y'all smokin' that good shit that make you leave pussy, food, Jesus, and everything else alone. Just wanna smoke all day, er'day. LOL!
 

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The very first OutKast single I heard was their debut song off ATLiens, Elevators. Shit was just so different from the heavy NYC influence. Had to go back and listen to their first album.

Rakim basically laid the foundation to 90s rap. He basically gave birth to that East Coast style. Mad iconic hits that still bump today (Hell, "I ain't no joke" is my go to when I'm in the gym. That and "Follow the leader"). But...

As far as groups go, Gangstarr would be ahead of Eric B. & Rakim. OutKast would be too.
 

Day_Carver

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white-ness

look -the members are DEEP hip hop - culturally... AdRock is definitely an unsung as a great hip hop A&R and producer

but

imo the Beasties are punk - (and yes punk is one of the foundations of hiphop)
they started as a punk group - got no real heat , rebranded as rappers and took off , but the music remained punk

their tours opened doors for hiphop legends - brought hip hop to white middle america, white colleges and white rock fans

so now wypipo and old hip hop tourists see the Beasties as more hiphop than BDP




there should be no comparison btwn Rakim and 3k - just like comparing Nas to Rakim
or comparing Rakim to Kool Moe D
different eras - like Rakim KRS etc previously did, Nas and 3k were artists building on a foundation built by those that came before

with that being said -your posts demonstrate that you didn't really "listen" to Eric B and Rakim nor solo Rakim projects -
hearing a handful of their popular hits is not "listening"

this is like only hearing music from The Birth of Cool everywhere as a kid / teen and later saying you grew up listening to Miles Davis



:lol:
another demonstration of limited listening...
:cool: :cool:
 

Day_Carver

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The very first OutKast single I heard was their debut song off ATLiens, Elevators. Shit was just so different from the heavy NYC influence. Had to go back and listen to their first album.

Rakim basically laid the foundation to 90s rap. He basically gave birth to that East Coast style. Mad iconic hits that still bump today (Hell, "I ain't no joke" is my go to when I'm in the gym. That and "Follow the leader"). But...

As far as groups go, Gangstarr would be ahead of Eric B. & Rakim. OutKast would be too.
When Outkast came out I actually thought they were a NY group. No one in the south was rapping like that. They changed the entire southern music period. Shit was amazing! But Rakim changed the entire rap game so I give my respect to the god M.C…
 

DC_Dude

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The 10 Best Andrè 3000 verses, according to Daniel Alexander​

"Often you'll be listening to a song you've heard countless times and a new meaning will reveal itself to you from the myriad of intentions he had"​

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Andrè 3000 can comfortably be described as one of the greatest rappers of all time. The elder statesman of hip-hop (who has just been announced as featuring on James Blake’s forthcoming album) has created a legacy for himself through his unique perspective on rap and interesting structures to his lyricism.

South London multi-instrumentalist and ‘Drè stan Daniel Alexander can also boast a unique perspective when it comes to his own craftsmanship. The ex-Breton member’s latest EP, ‘Traumology One’, doesn’t shy away from making strong political statements or responding to daily incidents that affect the world, while employing a sultry musicality that instantly recalls Sampha or the aforementioned Blake.

“Like Prince or Dylan, Andrè 3000 has numerously incarnated,” Alexander says, “leaving a chromed-out, spiritual, other-worldly-next-door dent upon the popular imagination, the futurism of his name indicating his timelessness. Listening to ‘Drè is like reading Henry Miller. At once you’re kidnapped from the mundanity of the moment and flung aloft above it all, exposing the intricacies, the beauty and the cracks, glimpsing the density of things as they are, eternal and ephemeral.

“Another bar and you are dropped again, dragged into the tarmac and pressed to review the picture through the crystalline, decalcified prism of Andrè’s kaleidoscopic flow and rhyme.” Below, Alexander runs through his ten favourite examples of Andrè’s lyrical prowess.

1. OutKast – ‘Y’All Scared’










Yo, paragraph indent, I make intense sense
Niggas on that Gil Scott dope (hint hint)
At age fifteen they start smoking Billy Clint’
Now he’s twenty-one and wants to know where the time went
Hey hey hey what’s the haps? Well see your time elapsed
Have you ever thought of the meaning of the word trapped?


“Love how mean he comes in sounding on these first two lines, like he’s spitting through his teeth. The disjoint of the flow is insane.”

2. OutKast – ‘Da Art of Storytellin’ pt. 2’










Baby, did you hear that?” “Yeah, baby, I heard it too”
Look out the window, golly, the sky is electric blue
Mama Earth is dying and crying because of you
Raining cats and jackals, all shackles disintegrate to residue
Silly mortals haven’t a clue as to what the funk is going on


“He paints such a picture of apocalypse using just a conversational tone and the word ‘golly’. Throughout his lyrics but especially on ‘Aquemini’ the essence of what he is spitting is spiritual: ‘Silly mortals haven’t a clue as to what the funk is going on.'”

3. OutKast – ‘Return of the ‘G”










Them niggas that get the wrong impression of expression
Then the question is Big Boi what’s up with Andre?
Is he in a cult? Is he on drugs? Is he gay?
When y’all gon’ break up? When y’all goin’ wake up?
Nigga I’m feelin’ better than ever what’s wrong with you
You get down!


“‘The wrong impression of expression’: No one else was anywhere near as challenging of people’s expectations in their verses, and the two syllables in the refrain ‘get down’ are like two shots, an invite and a threat.”

4. André 3000 – ‘Solo (Reprise)’










So low that I can admit
When I hear that another kid is shot by the popo
It ain’t an event no more
So low that no more high horses, so hard to wear Polo
When I do, I cut the pony off
Now there’s a hole that once was a logo, how fitting


“This verse is maybe one of his best ever and is a testament to the fact that he only gets better the more moons that pass. It is so dense, succinct and heartfelt. These lines are particularly devastating.”

5. OutKast – ‘Jazzy Belle’










When they can let they thumb down from hitch hiking
Inviting niggas into the temple they call the body
Now everybody got it, had it, talked about it amongst they friends
Coming around my crew looking Jazzy, wanna pretend
Like you Ms. Goody Four-Shoes
Even Bo knew that you got poked
Like acupuncture patients
While our nation is a boat, straight sinking


“The amount of metaphor sustained in this verse is incredible. There’s something hypnotic about how he bends ‘poem’ to rhyme with ‘throw em’.”

6. André 3000 – ‘A Life in the Day of Benjamin André’










Just when I think I’m going down your shirt
You’re hiking up your skirt now
The events that followed had me volley
If your hometown would be heaven or hell
The angelic nastiness you possessed made you by far the best


“Probably one of his most intimate and heartfelt raps, painting the picture of the mind that was in the man and the processes going on when he was making the first few records, falling in love and having a child. ‘The angelic nastiness you possess made you by far the best’ – I wish I wrote that for my GF…”

7. OutKast – ‘Rosa Parks’










Said, “Baby boy, you only funky as your last cut
You focus on the past, your ass’ll be a ‘has-what'”
That’s one to live by or either that’s one to die to
I try to just throw it at you, determine your own adventure
André, got to her station, here’s my destination
She got off the bus, the conversation lingered in my head for hours


“Slunk, casual and conversational yet unrelenting in its delivery and flow.”

8. OutKast – ‘Ms. Jackson’










I hope we feel like this forever
Forever, forever ever? Forever ever?
Forever never seems that long until you’re grown


“It was on ‘Stankonia’ where I think Drè goes super-saiyan and completely taps in to ‘the signal’ of his powers. Another level. ‘Forever never seems that long until you’re grown’.”

9. OutKast – ‘Humble Mumble’










Do you want to live or wanna exist?
The game changes everyday, so obsolete is the fist and marches
Speeches only reaches those who already know about it


“There are always levels to the wisdom found in Drè’s verses and often you’ll be listening to a song you’ve heard countless times and a new meaning will reveal itself to you from the myriad of intentions he had behind certain lyrics.”

10. OutKast – ‘Synthesizer’










Said she’d tap dance on your laptop
While your laptop’s in your lap
Cybersexy Wendy web walkin’ in the nude


“The pop in the flow almost makes your shoulder dislocate. It has George Clinton on it and it’s just perfect eery-weird-alien-but-on-point Drè. ‘Cybersexy Wendy’ is the name of my cam girl account.”

Listen to Daniel Alexander’s ‘Traumatology One’ EP:
 

playahaitian

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The wild thing is looking at these visuals... This whole song is crazy, lot of cats dont have any knowledge of self so it's like they can't get him talking about them being exiled in caves or thinking about the brothers and sisters in Africa.. Anyways almost 40 years later cats still saying it aint where you from its where you at or some variation of this. Kids dont even know where that thought came from.

Return the thought through the eye of a needle
For miles I just fought the people
Under the dark skies on a dark side
Not only there but right here's an apartheid

So now is the time for us to react
Take a trip through the mind and when you get back
Understand you're third eye seen all of that
It ain't where you're from, it's where you're at

Salute

Music post of the day
 

playahaitian

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The very first OutKast single I heard was their debut song off ATLiens, Elevators. Shit was just so different from the heavy NYC influence. Had to go back and listen to their first album.

Rakim basically laid the foundation to 90s rap. He basically gave birth to that East Coast style. Mad iconic hits that still bump today (Hell, "I ain't no joke" is my go to when I'm in the gym. That and "Follow the leader"). But...

As far as groups go, Gangstarr would be ahead of Eric B. & Rakim. OutKast would be too.

Rest in Peace Guru >>>>>>>>>

Still have his autograph on my source magazine
 

dik cashmere

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I will let the resident NYC bros speak on this. I will give my perspective on what was being played down south...

Curious to know who was on that list though....I can tell you one thing, BootCamp Click, The Lox, and Dipset had a major movement on folks down south....
Some of the names that he wrote that were left off had me tight

But then I remembered it’s complex they get everything wrong
 

A to Dah K

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I will let the resident NYC bros speak on this. I will give my perspective on what was being played down south...

Curious to know who was on that list though....I can tell you one thing, BootCamp Click, The Lox, and Dipset had a major movement on folks down south....
Phife dawg the heart and soul of de la
 

WattDogs

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The 10 Best Andrè 3000 verses, according to Daniel Alexander​

"Often you'll be listening to a song you've heard countless times and a new meaning will reveal itself to you from the myriad of intentions he had"​


How you gonna have a best Andre 3 Stacks verse & miss this one:

My mind warps and bends, floats the wind, count to ten
Meet the twin, Andre Ben, welcome to the lion's den
Original skin, many men comprehend
I extend myself, so you go out and tell a friend
Sin all depends on what you believing in
Faith is what you make it—that's the hardest shit since MC Ren
Alien can blend right on in with your kin
Look again, 'cause I swear, I spot one every now and then
It's happening again, wish I could tell you when
André, this is André, y'all are just gon' have to make amends


- From Aquemini (the song)

That might be the hardest shit I've ever heard from Dre since his last verses on D.E.E.P. & Ain't No Thang.

And he still ain't fucking with Rakim.

Phife dawg the heart and soul of de la
Phife was Quest, not De La.
 

A to Dah K

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How you gonna have a best Andre 3 Stacks verse & miss this one:

My mind warps and bends, floats the wind, count to ten
Meet the twin, Andre Ben, welcome to the lion's den
Original skin, many men comprehend
I extend myself, so you go out and tell a friend
Sin all depends on what you believing in
Faith is what you make it—that's the hardest shit since MC Ren
Alien can blend right on in with your kin
Look again, 'cause I swear, I spot one every now and then
It's happening again, wish I could tell you when
André, this is André, y'all are just gon' have to make amends


- From Aquemini (the song)

That might be the hardest shit I've ever heard from Dre since his last verses on D.E.E.P. & Ain't No Thang.

And he still ain't fucking with Rakim.


Phife was Quest, not De La.
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