Most under and overrated players in NBA history?

[Blunt]

Really?

Yes, he rarely even made an EFFORT on offense (not unlike the very similar Ben Wallace). Rodman, in his wacked out state of mind, literally refused to even tap-in easy shots off of offensive rebounds. His offensive game deteriorated to ridiculous levels over the years. Dude was playing 33-38 minutes and was taking only 3 to 5 shots a game (and couldn't hit free throws either). Lucky for him he played on teams that could compensate for his idiocy.

 

[Blunt]

Blunt: you said that Rodman was overated because he was one dimensional(lacked on offense). What do you think of Nash(no defense,no rebounding and streaky scorer) or Stockton(average defense no rebounding and non scorer)?

Nash is an outstanding shooter (not streaky) in every area of the game and an all-time great assist man. He at least TRIES to play defense, though his team doesn't require him to. Stockton was a great shooter as well, not to mention a monumental assist and steal man. Again, he didn't purposely DISAPPEAR from any one respect of the game. Not being good and not even trying at all are two separate things.

 

[Spectrum]

Yes, he rarely even made an EFFORT on offense (not unlike the very similar Ben Wallace). Rodman, in his wacked out state of mind, literally refused to even tap-in easy shots off of offensive rebounds. His offensive game deteriorated to ridiculous levels over the years. Dude was playing 33-38 minutes and was taking only 3 to 5 shots a game (and couldn't hit free throws either). Lucky for him he played on teams that could compensate for his idiocy.

Rodman was actually progressing early in his career with the Pistons on the offensive end. I think he lost all the confidence when he took that ill-advised shot on the fast break in the 88 finals against the Lakers... that was the year of his career high in ppg..almost 12.. from that point it seemed he started concentrating more and more on defense and rebounding until he just said fuck it altogether on the offensive end...

 

[34real]

This thread is turning into something else,because you cant argue against someone's opinion on certain players(duh its their opinion),either you agree or you dont.All this talk about who's game is limited,he's one dimensional...yeah and?you might see him that way but to someone else he might be decent player,even if he never got his ass up off the bench.



Underrated-isaiah rider,Jamal Mashburn,Sir Charles,clyde drexler.

Overrated-Rasheed Wallace,Dikembe Mutombo,C.webber...

I would of added Sir charles to the overrated list but he brought a certain toughness to the game and his team when he played,compared to these new guys(which I dont even follow anymore).

 

[LordSinister]

Speaking of overrated, I don't see how a guy could get All NBA D year after year but is currently getting ABUSED by Joe Johnson right now.

Your mother is abusing my "D" right now and she's overated.

I just knew you and barnac would hate on the current finals MVP and NBA champ.

Yeah, but I was at the Game and Joe was up in Kobe like he was getting ghetto gagged. Until Kobe yelled switch and Ron "Arrest" put that fool on lock.

 

[Big Philly]

It is obvious that some of you are not old enough to know or not versed well enough in basketball to understand that Bill Walton was a top 5 player in the NBA when he was healthy. He had a year with the Clippers and another one with the Trailblazers when he could have been the MVP of the league. His idiocracy as an NBA analyst and his brittle feet have tarnished his legacy but he was truly great.

 

[Big Philly]

Andrew Toney was the best shooting guard in the league and took a back seat to Dr. J for three years when he was obviously better.

BTW Dr. J was one of the most overrated players ever. He was the greatest for dunking on a guy. Nobody dunked on people like Doc but he is not a top 20 NBA player ever and I see where guys say he is the best small forward ever. NOT

 

[Big Philly]

Micheal-Overrated
Scottie-Underrated

I don't know if you say that Michael was overrated but with all the media marketing behind him he was overhyped.

Scottie Pippen was the greatest defender ever. When Jordan retired Scottie was a legit MVP candidate but he was a bitch and that has followed him.

 

[Big Philly]

steve nash >>>>>> overrated

Cosign

Shaq should have won it the first time Steve Nash won and Lebron should have won it the second time Steve Nash won.

 

[BDR]

Underated:
Mahmoud_Abdul-Rauf- Flat out balled.
Dennis Rodman -was one dimensional but was EXCELLENT at it.Look at guys like John Stockton and Steve Nash who excelled at one dimension(assists) of a dimension(offense) but did little else.


Overated:
Bill Walton
Steve Nash-Garbage at defense but announcers act like he is the greatest ever.
Manu Ginobli- He is ok but not the superstar he is played up to be.
Chris Mullin-good shooter but had no business on that dream team over Dumars or Isaiah.He was a solid player but never dominate enough to be hailed as one of the greats.

See a pattern here?

The drugs you smoke is clearly of some strong origins

YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
85-86 GSW 55 30 25.3 .463 .185 .896 .80 1.30 2.10 1.9 1.27 .42 1.36 2.40 14.0
86-87 GSW 82 82 29.0 .514 .302 .825 .50 1.70 2.20 3.2 1.20 .44 1.88 2.60 15.1
87-88 GSW 60 55 33.9 .508 .351 .885 1.00 2.50 3.40 4.8 1.88 .53 2.60 2.30 20.2
88-89 GSW 82 82 37.7 .509 .230 .892 1.90 4.00 5.90 5.1 2.15 .48 3.61 2.20 26.5
89-90 GSW 78 78 36.3 .536 .372 .889 1.70 4.30 5.90 4.1 1.58 .58 3.06 1.80 25.1
90-91 GSW 82 82 40.4 .536 .301 .884 1.70 3.70 5.40 4.0 2.11 .77 2.99 2.10 25.7
91-92 GSW 81 81 41.3 .524 .366 .833 1.60 4.00 5.60 3.5 2.14 .77 2.49 2.10 25.6
92-93 GSW 46 46 41.3 .510 .451 .810 .90 4.10 5.00 3.6 1.48 .89 3.02 1.70 25.9
93-94 GSW 62 39 37.5 .472 .364 .753 1.00 4.50 5.60 5.1 1.73 .85 2.87 1.80 16.8
94-95 GSW 25 23 35.6 .489 .452 .879 1.00 3.60 4.60 5.0 1.52 .76 3.72 2.10 19.0
95-96 GSW 55 19 29.4 .499 .393 .856 .80 2.10 2.90 3.5 1.36 .58 2.22 2.30 13.3
96-97 GSW 79 63 34.6 .553 .411 .864 .90 3.10 4.00 4.1 1.65 .42 2.43 2.00 14.5
97-98 IND 82 82 26.5 .481 .440 .939 .50 2.60 3.00 2.3 1.16 .48 1.43 2.30 11.3
98-99 IND 50 50 23.6 .477 .465 .870 .50 2.70 3.20 1.6 .94 .26 1.20 2.00 10.1
99-00 IND 47 2 12.4 .428 .409 .902 .30 1.30 1.60 .8 .60 .19 .60 1.30 5.1
00-01 GSW 20 8 18.7 .340 .365 .857 .50 1.60 2.10 1.0 .80 .50 .95 1.40 5.8
Career 986 822 32.6 .509 .384 .865 1.00 3.10 4.10 3.5 1.55 .56 2.35 2.10 18.2
Playoff 71 63 29.0 .495 .409 .859 .60 2.70 3.30 2.1 1.04 .63 1.92 2.00 13.8
All-Star 4 2 19.5 .500 1.000 .875 .80 1.30 2.00 2.0 1.00 .25 1.25 .50 8.3

 

[Big Philly]

My vote goes to:

Sidney Moncrief

Yep, him and his Bucks teammate, Marques Johnson, were both totally forgotten after they were gone.

 

[Big Philly]

under

Glen Rice was a one dimensional shooter who couldn't make it on the same team with Shaq and Kobe for more than one year. He couldn't handle the ball and he was horrible on defense. So how is he underrated?

Mitch Richmond was definitely underrrated.

 

[HotNixon36]

Alex English was the most underrated

Antoine Walker was the most overated

 

[34real]

What about Wesley Price or persons,one of them he was a decent shooter ?he could be in the underrated field.

 

[LordSinister]

Silk and them "20 foot layups" are way underrated.

I love the Doctor, but his jump shot was suspect.

Wes Unseld was an undersized center with a ring.

None of you young cats ever talk about the Wizard. Gus Williams

That ninja could do some shit on the court

as much as I hate Boston, Dennis Johnson was a class act and an underrated player and teammate.

 

[Big Philly]

Ive always been skeptical of Wilt because his offensive game was so limited...truly was just oversized for the game.. people try to call Shaq limited..Wilt makes Shaq look like Hakeem... I guess I cant hold his era against him.. but considering there were also only 8 teams for most of his career and he could only mister up two titles and that was after being aligned with multiple Hall of Fame players... To me, it is very hard to consider him BETTER than Kareem...I know he got caught up in the Boston dynasty but if he was truly the GOAT..he would have found ways to muster up more titles

Wilt was the best player ever! If he had come along in the time where the NBA guys were marketed as stars he would be a God right now. I've said this before and I'll say it again. They changed the game to help Jordan. They eliminated the hand check and the hard foul and they made the illegal defense that allowed MJ to go one on one his entire career. The NBA changed the game to hurt Wilt. They widened the lane, changed the goal tending rule and the foul shooting rule so Wilt wouldn't be so dominant. And for you dudes who think he was the best because he was the tallest I can tell you that every center he played against the year he averaged 50.4 is in the HOF. Also, if height was that much of an issue then what happened to Manute Bol, George Muresan, Shawn Bradley or Yao Ming. Why aren't they the best players in the league? They were the tallest? BTW he averaged 50.4 for the season. That means that if he scored 38 one night he would have to get 62 the next to keep his average.

My top 5 go:

1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Jordan
4. Magic
5. Bird

My most underrated are

1. Bernard King
2. Bob McAdoo
3. Andrew Toney
4. Marques Johnson
5. Moses Malone (He is top 10 players ever)

most overrated

1. Steve Nash
2. Vince Carter
3. Julius Erving
4. Dirk Nowitski
5. Tracy McGrady

 

[Big Philly]

nique was overrated
his game was VERY limited

cosign. Like Dr. J he was elevated to an elite status because his highlight plays were incredible. But his game was not as good as many of the BGOL folks think

 

[Big Philly]

This thread is turning into something else,because you cant argue against someone's opinion on certain players(duh its their opinion),either you agree or you dont.All this talk about who's game is limited,he's one dimensional...yeah and?you might see him that way but to someone else he might be decent player,even if he never got his ass up off the bench.



Underrated-isaiah rider,Jamal Mashburn,Sir Charles,clyde drexler.

Overrated-Rasheed Wallace,Dikembe Mutombo,C.webber...

I would of added Sir charles to the overrated list but he brought a certain toughness to the game and his team when he played,compared to these new guys(which I dont even follow anymore).

Rasheed is an underachiever. He could have been one of the best ever but he didn't mind being a role player. He has as much talent as Tim Duncan but doesn't play that way.

 

[Spectrum]

as much as I hate Boston, Dennis Johnson was a class act and an underrated player and teammate.

fuck DJ... mofo damn near gave my young ass a heart attack when he hit that layup off the steal from Bird in the eastern conference finals in 87.. i literally fell to my knees and was holding my chest..

yeah..but seriously... class act and very underrated.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Rasheed is an underachiever. He could have been one of the best ever but he didn't mind being a role player. He has as much talent as Tim Duncan but doesn't play that way.

real talk

 

[Spectrum]

Rasheed is an underachiever.

I agree. Rasheed can shoot the long ball.. back you down and post up... bank it nicely from the left and right side... plays good defense... he shows glimpses of greatness but it was never really in him to go 100 percent every night and play to his true potential...

 

[Chuckles]

Wilt was the best player ever! If he had come along in the time where the NBA guys were marketed as stars he would be a God right now. I've said this before and I'll say it again. They changed the game to help Jordan. They eliminated the hand check and the hard foul and they made the illegal defense that allowed MJ to go one on one his entire career. The NBA changed the game to hurt Wilt. They widened the lane, changed the goal tending rule and the foul shooting rule so Wilt wouldn't be so dominant. And for you dudes who think he was the best because he was the tallest I can tell you that every center he played against the year he averaged 50.4 is in the HOF. Also, if height was that much of an issue then what happened to Manute Bol, George Muresan, Shawn Bradley or Yao Ming. Why aren't they the best players in the league? They were the tallest? BTW he averaged 50.4 for the season. That means that if he scored 38 one night he would have to get 62 the next to keep his average.

My top 5 go:

1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Jordan
4. Magic
5. Bird

My most underrated are

1. Bernard King
2. Bob McAdoo
3. Andrew Toney
4. Marques Johnson
5. Moses Malone (He is top 10 players ever)

most overrated

1. Steve Nash
2. Vince Carter
3. Julius Erving
4. Dirk Nowitski
5. Tracy McGrady

Wilt was not the best player ever he was just ahead of his time, he possessed the type of athleticism you see in modern players back then.

If he played today he would still be all star level but to believe he could do half of what he was able to pull off against today's bigger,stronger, and faster players is just silly.

Imagine Wilt having to go up against Ewing,Mourning,Robinson, and the Dream on a regular basis no way he's throwing down 50a night...and for comparison imagine Shaq playing during Wilt's era all those rules would have been changed even faster.

 

[therealjondoe]

Glen Rice was a one dimensional shooter who couldn't make it on the same team with Shaq and Kobe for more than one year. He couldn't handle the ball and he was horrible on defense. So how is he underrated?

Mitch Richmond was definitely underrrated.

rice was at the end of his career and coming off the bench

 

[ElBarrio]

kobe.

hes very inconsistent. i dont care if he scores 60 points one game, he misses game winners and is no where near jordan. who IS the greatest

 

[jms]

rice was at the end of his career and coming off the bench

Plus his wife at the time ran her mouth to force him out of L.A.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[KrafMatik]

overrated

 

[Blunt]

Overrated:

Underrated:

 

[bgque12]

MOST Underrated!
Only player in history to lead the league in asst. & scoring and didn't win the MVP!

Just to drive the point home, google Nate Archibald and see what you get!

 

[Blunt]

Only player in history to lead the league in asst. & scoring and didn't win the MVP!

True enough. Archibald finished a solid third behind Cowens and Kareem. He even got more first place votes than the latter. That was actually an incredibly good showing for a guy who played on a 36-46 team.

(I don't think there's ever been an MVP from a team with less than 50 wins)

 

[cranrab]

Bill Walton was a top 5 player in the NBA when he was healthy. He had a year with the Clippers and another one with the Trailblazers when he could have been the MVP of the league. His idiocracy as an NBA analyst and his brittle feet have tarnished his legacy but he was truly great.

bill walton couldn't do shit with the blazers until they stole maurice lucas from the ABA.

blazers + bill walton = 2 seasons w/o playoffs

blazers + bill walton + maurice lucas = championship.

Andrew Toney was the best shooting guard in the league and took a back seat to Dr. J for three years when he was obviously better.

BTW Dr. J was one of the most overrated players ever. He was the greatest for dunking on a guy. Nobody dunked on people like Doc but he is not a top 20 NBA player ever and I see where guys say he is the best small forward ever. NOT

the league outgrew julius erving at the end of his career, forcing the switch from SF to SG where he was ill-equipped to play.

but for you to marginalize him otherwise is outrageous. he carried UMASS and won 3 championships in a decade. carried the 76ers to 4 NBA finals in 7 years and he was over-rated?

more befuddling is that you would prop up bill walton while short changing julius erving.

 

[bgque12]

Most Overrated! Never led the league in any meaningful statistical catagory.

 

[cranrab]

Marques Johnson, were both totally forgotten after they were gone.

marques johnson deserves to be forgotten.

he admitted tanking games to get coaches fired. he admitted recruiting other players to do the same.

whatever talent he had is far overshadowed by his lack of character as a professional.

 

[Blunt]

Most Overrated! Never led the league in any meaningful statistical catagory.

Very funny.

 

[cranrab]

What about Wesley Price or persons,one of them he was a decent shooter ?he could be in the underrated field.

wesley person, younger brother of the gunslinger, was the best pure shooter in the game when he was around.

unfortunately for him, he wasn't great at a lot of other skills, and couldn't get himself into a game to display his deadly accuracy.