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Most under and overrated players in NBA history?

Big Philly said:
cosign. Like Dr. J he was elevated to an elite status because his highlight plays were incredible. But his game was not as good as many of the BGOL folks think
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I don't know how old you are but Doc had to put hand cuffs on his game in order to win a championship. Just like Earl The Pearl did in NY. Well Pear was forced but Doc did it willingly to win the one thing he hadn't accomplished in his career. Do you remember at the end of his career when he needed to score like 40 to get to I think 10,000 points and everybody was wondering if he could do it in the last game of the season? He did it without breaking a sweat! He understood what it took to win and was a very team oriented player.
 
cranrab said:
more befuddling is that you would prop up bill walton while short changing julius erving.
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What was Erving's claim to fame, beyond his soaring dunks and visual flamboyance?? Certainly was much more successful in college and the ABA than in the NBA. Obviously a fine player, but not as good as his legend.

Walton averaged 18 PPG, 14 RPG and 5 APG his first 5 years (when reasonably healthy), and won every award available to him.
 
under michael ray richardson, mark price, alonzo mourning & jerome
kersey


over dirk, shaq & christian laetner, & bill walton
 
bgque12 said:
Most Overrated! Never led the league in any meaningful statistical catagory.
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WTF.. are you out of your mind.. Larry Legend was no joke....
 
bgque12 said:
What, the fact that he NEVER led the league in any major statistical category?
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No, it's that you would actually try to define him by that totally meaningless fact. Celtics weren't about leading the league in anything. They were about team play and winning, though Bird was still near the top in numerous categories every year. His combined scoring, rebounding and assist-making totals for a power forward remain unmatched. His 3 MVPS (to go with 4 second place finishes, a third and a fourth) and 9 straight All-NBA First Team selections (from Day One until he was hurt) speak for themselves.
 
Big Philly said:
cosign. Like Dr. J he was elevated to an elite status because his highlight plays were incredible. But his game was not as good as many of the BGOL folks think
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i don't know how overrated you can be when you take mediocre atlanta team to the playoff 8 years out of 12, and please don't say kevin willis was a solid second option.
 
Blunt said:
What was Erving's claim to fame, beyond his soaring dunks and visual flamboyance?? Certainly was much more successful in college and the ABA than in the NBA. Obviously a fine player, but not as good as his legend.

Walton averaged 18 PPG, 14 RPG and 5 APG his first 5 years (when reasonably healthy), and won every award available to him.
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julius erving carried the 76ers to the NBA finals 4 times in 7 years. including his FIRST season in the NBA (which was alleged to have been markedly superior to the ABA). in 2 of the 3 years that the 76ers did NOT make the NBA finals, they were eliminated by the eventual champions (bullets and celtics).

bill walton was that dude at UCLA, but in the NBA, meh. if the blazers never get the windfall of maurice lucas from the ABA, bill walton is christian laettner 20-30 years removed.
 
cranrab said:
wesley person, younger brother of the gunslinger, was the best pure shooter in the game when he was around.

unfortunately for him, he wasn't great at a lot of other skills, and couldn't get himself into a game to display his deadly accuracy.
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OK Rab, how do you feel about the Microwave?

Micheal Cooper?

Maurice Lucas?

Pistol Pete?

Loyd "World B." Free?

Al Attles?

Sweet Lou?
 
cranrab said:
julius erving carried the 76ers to the NBA finals 4 times in 7 years. including his FIRST season in the NBA (which was alleged to have been markedly superior to the ABA). in 2 of the 3 years that the 76ers did NOT make the NBA finals, they were eliminated by the eventual champions (bullets and celtics).
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The Sixers were loaded with offensive talent in Erving's early years, and it was Moses who led them to the promised land.

bill walton was that dude at UCLA, but in the NBA, meh. if the blazers never get the windfall of maurice lucas from the ABA, bill walton is christian laettner 20-30 years removed.
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That's absurd. Walton was the same dominant player in the NBA as he was in college (despite two terrible feet). He steamrolled through his first 4 years in the league, and then became an exceptional part-time player and 6th man only because his health limited him. There've been few centers in the league with his combination of shooting, rebounding and passing skills.

Try to put your knee-jerk bigotry aside and just look at the historical record.
 
shams said:
i don't know how overrated you can be when you take mediocre atlanta team to the playoff 8 years out of 12, and please don't say kevin willis was a solid second option.
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dominique wilkins' game evolved as he matured. unfortunately for dominique wilkins and fans alike, he suffered the torn achilles as he was reaching his potential.

the bulk of his career, therefore, is correctly remember for the one-dimensional player that he had been.

the scouting reports for dominique wilkins in the latter half of the 1980's was to let him shoot the hawks out of the game.

as for the squad overall, don't belittle the contributions of kevin willis. the hawks a competitive squad that could run you off the floor. too bad they had a micro-managing head coach for most of that time. how many times did that head coach get the hawks past the 1st round of the playoffs?
 
Blunt said:
No, it's that you would actually try to define him by that totally meaningless fact. Celtics weren't about leading the league in anything. They were about team play and winning, though Bird was still near the top in numerous categories every year. His combined scoring, rebounding and assist-making totals for a power forward remain unmatched. His 3 MVPS (to go with 4 second place finishes, a third and a fourth) and 9 straight All-NBA First Team selections (from Day One until he was hurt) speak for themselves.
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It strange how every other MVP winner in his era HAD to lead the league in some cat but him. HELL BERNARD KING LEAD THE LEAGUE IN SCORING AND STILL LOST THE MVP TI HIM.Her was a lousy defensive player. So bad that they created the term "team defense" to try to make his pathetic ass look like he was doing somehting on the defensive end and was not good enough to lead the league in any cat other than free throw shooting...OVERRATED!! AND IT'S EASY TO WIN THAT MANY CHAMPIONSHIPS WHEN YOU HAVE 2 OTHER HOF'ERS ON THE FLOOR WITH YOU!(MCHALE WILL GET IN AND PARRISH MAY NOT BUT HE IS BORDER LINE
 
Blunt said:
Nash is an outstanding shooter (not streaky) in every area of the game and an all-time great assist man. He at least TRIES to play defense, though his team doesn't require him to. Stockton was a great shooter as well, not to mention a monumental assist and steal man. Again, he didn't purposely DISAPPEAR from any one respect of the game. Not being good and not even trying at all are two separate things.
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:eek: A coach not requiring Nash to play defense? No wonder he's the only MVP to never lead his team to the NBA Finals.:rolleyes:

Blunt loves to spit out idiotic comments. And yes, Nash is one of the most overrated players in NBA history.
 
cranrab said:
julius erving carried the 76ers to the NBA finals 4 times in 7 years. including his FIRST season in the NBA (which was alleged to have been markedly superior to the ABA). in 2 of the 3 years that the 76ers did NOT make the NBA finals, they were eliminated by the eventual champions (bullets and celtics).

bill walton was that dude at UCLA, but in the NBA, meh. if the blazers never get the windfall of maurice lucas from the ABA, bill walton is christian laettner 20-30 years removed.
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Dude, I idolize the Doctor, but his jumpshot was ass. He's still top 20 to me. but I saw him after his knees were shot. his early ABA stats are incredible though.
 
Larry 6ird overrated??? Fucc do you kno a6out this sport 24.3 ppg 10.0 rpg 6.3 apg & he's overrated :confused: plz explain
 
cranrab said:
the scouting reports for dominique wilkins in the latter half of the 1980's was to let him shoot the hawks out of the game.
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:yes::yes:

My Pistons successfully knocked the Hawks out of the playoffs all throughout the 80s with that tactic..
 
Blunt said:
The Sixers were loaded with offensive talent in Erving's early years, and it was Moses who led them to the promised land.
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moses malone was only on the 76ers 4th and final run to the NBA finals during julius erving's career.

what about the other 3?

oh, that's right. you attribute those other 3 trips to the NBA finals to offensive powerhouses like chucker doug collins.

:rolleyes:

on their way to the finals in 1980 (v. the fakers), what other talented offensive juggernaut carried the 76ers?

none. julius erving put them on his back.

:smh:
 
Serious Sam said:
Larry 6ird overrated??? Fucc do you kno a6out this sport 24.3 ppg 10.0 rpg 6.3 apg & he's overrated :confused: plz explain
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Im completely baffled by the statement.. not only was his statline off the hook... dude was one of the deadliest shooters in league history..definitely one of the most clutch players..and his basketball IQ was off the charts.... he would come up with the clutch steal exactly when it was needed...plus..Bird could catch fire and completely embarrass a team on his own..i remember that game in 85 I think where he shot almost the entire game left handed because he was bored...
 
cranrab said:
moses malone was only on the 76ers 4th and final run to the NBA finals during julius erving's career.

what about the other 3?

oh, that's right. you attribute those other 3 trips to the NBA finals to offensive powerhouses like chucker doug collins.

:rolleyes:

on their way to the finals in 1980 (v. the fakers), what other talented offensive juggernaut carried the 76ers?

none. julius erving put them on his back.

:smh:
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George McGinnis. Rab, you're smoking crack. :smh:
edit: First three years, george was gone in 80
 
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LordSinister said:
Dude, I idolize the Doctor, but his jumpshot was ass. He's still top 20 to me. but I saw him after his knees were shot. his early ABA stats are incredible though.
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julius erving's jump shot wasn't suspect, he just didn't have great range. 15' and in, julius erving was money.

but you're talking about julius erving with bad wheels. that was what i referred to earlier. by the time you saw him, he was a SF being asked to play SG. wasn't gonna happen and the results weren't pretty.
 
cranrab said:
wesley person, younger brother of the gunslinger, was the best pure shooter in the game when he was around.

unfortunately for him, he wasn't great at a lot of other skills, and couldn't get himself into a game to display his deadly accuracy.
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Speaking of pure shooting...

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Best shooter in the NBA right now. Too bad "Dumb" Nelson is stunting his growth as a player.
 
xfactor said:
:eek: A coach not requiring Nash to play defense? No wonder he's the only MVP to never lead his team to the NBA Finals.
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No, he just turned a 29-win team into a 62-win team (and a perennial contender) overnight.

Blunt loves to spit out idiotic comments. And yes, Nash is one of the most overrated players in NBA history.
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Overrated at what??? Shooting??? Passing??? Name a better overall shooting guard (combined FG%, 3-PT %, FT%) in HISTORY who also could average 11 APG.
 
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cranrab said:
then you must've stole the pipe.

tell me what 76ers starter averaged more than 20 ppg in the playoffs that season.

i'll help you out. there was only ONE, and his initials are JWE.
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But McGinnis, Free, and Collins were all outstanding talents during Erving's early time with the Sixers, and later on there was Toney, along with Cheeks, Mix and the great Bobby Jones. That squad was LOADED. They should've won something before Moses put them over the top. Unfortunately, Caldwell Jones and Darryl Dawkins weren't enough at center.
 
Blunt said:
But McGinnis, Free, and Collins were all outstanding talents during Erving's early time with the Sixers, and later on there was Toney, along with Cheeks, Mix and the great Bobby Jones. That squad was LOADED. They should've won something before Moses put them over the top.
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They were loaded everywhere but where it counted back then... the middle. Boston had Parrish, LA had Kareem. Were they supposed to win with Caldwell Jones?
 

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