I disagree... By most accounts Puff was responsible for Biggie's diversity, when it came to album content.
Melle Mel of the Furious Five explains why he considers 2Pac great and why he doesn't consider Biggie Smalls as a great.
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I disagree... By most accounts Puff was responsible for Biggie's diversity, when it came to album content.
One nigga wrote their raps down on paper meticulously and with an agenda...the other nigga went off the dome (and is still to the day being compared) with the agenda of getting off the block.
One nigga repped the coast he was actually from....the other nigga matriculated to a coast in his teenaged years..
"Nothing changed after BIG huh!?!" Like big didn't initially write for Lil Kim and encourage her to be hypersexual with the personality and rap delivery... which is literally all the fuck is going on almost 40 years later....
In their short lives they have BOTH impacted and inspired many to follow afterwards...
One nigga repped the coast he was actually from....the other nigga matriculated to a coast in his teenaged years..
"Nothing changed after BIG huh!?!" Like big didn't initially write for Lil Kim and encourage her to be hypersexual with the personality and rap delivery... which is literally all the fuck is going on almost 40 years later....
In their short lives they have BOTH impacted and inspired many to follow afterwards...
2Pac was the Michael Jordan of Hip Hop
Biggie was the Kobe Bryant of Hip Hop
Biggie was the Kobe Bryant of Hip Hop
I don't do rankings and where did i say biggie was better than pac?
That is the problem with some of you non ny cats
His logic and reasoning was flawed as f*ck.
I understand what he TRYING to say
But how claiming your expertise your understanding your MC credentials...
And fail to express your points clearly and without aggression?
Also how does he think this gonna play to the audience he is addressing?
And on THAT platform?
And he wrong period anyway
Hip hop, rap and the music industry are different things
Holding rap to some perfect standard is absurd and unrealistic and unfair
We don't hold any other music genre to these standards.
Instead of downing fellow rap legends who he don't like talk up those rappers he does.
Cause he coming off old and bitter and out of touch.
And went to a tired biggie pac debate?
In 2021?
Really?
Who gives a f*ck?
Again i UNDERSTAND what he was TRYING to say but he failed in expressing it which kinda undermines his well deserved rep as one of the best wordsmiths in hip hop history.
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It probably has to do with the fact that when Jay z dropped Reasonable Doubt it really didn't catch. Biggs death left a vacuum and that space allowed Jay Z to work.
So it's possible Jay could have gotten as big as he is today but Biggies dealth definitely helped his Jay's career.
It doesn’t matter if Big and PAC were alive and dominating the airwaves, Jay Z was gonna cause those DJs to say ”wait a minute” let’s give this guy some airplay TOO, JayZ was that good
So trueThis convo aint that hard. Pac had better content and talked about real life shit black
folks going through. Big was just a better flower/lyricist point blank. You can place them dudes wherever you want on your list. Only issue I have with Biggie is I think NY cats elevated him to the top too quick. Prolly because the west had took over for a min and New York needed every "great" they could claim. Both these dudes got elevated to a crazy status after being murdered. But Pac's catalogue is deserving of that. Biggie has 2 classic albums talking about fantasy shit....not ALL of it, alot though. But hey, his songs were great too
‘Yeah PAC was raw and made you feel his lyrics like WOW, BIG was smooth and made you start bobbing your head soon as you heard the beat, both were great but I preferred B.I.G.
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Also knowing him personally, didn't know about PE, but he did hate Run DMC.
"I wear black, and I always will,
Because I'm dressing for your funeral.
I am you, but you ain't me,
Because you didn't start rocking til 83!"
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OK uncle Chuck I think you the most qualified to comment
first what do you think of everything Mel said OVERALL?
and how you feel about the Biggie being one of the best MCs?
and Pac being BETTER than Biggie?
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IMO, Pac put the more emotion and passion into his delivery, and he also tackled social issues. Biggie was the better lyricist.
New York niggas bout to be big mad but nothing wrong with what he said. 2Pac had a great impact on the world with his music and impact on culture itself.
2Pacs music spoke about real shit, social and political commentary through music that many could relate to and when he wasn’t making music he was involved in something else. BiGs music was pure entertainment, fun and fantasy, floss and gloss.
Truthfully 2Pacs feud with BiG contributed a lot to BiGs greatness and catapulted him to bigger stardom.
2Pacs music spoke about real shit, social and political commentary through music that many could relate to and when he wasn’t making music he was involved in something else. BiGs music was pure entertainment, fun and fantasy, floss and gloss.
Truthfully 2Pacs feud with BiG contributed a lot to BiGs greatness and catapulted him to bigger stardom.
I don't understand how ANYONE who considers themselves a true fan of rap could argue with ANY PART of that statement.
I AGREE with you completely
Pac was very rah rah in his delivery very over enunciated and that PASSION almost like a street corner pastor with the fire and brimstone
and BIRTHED a THOUSAND MCs.
But you can't dismiss Biggie's emotion
you cannot listen to Suicidal thoughts and not HEAR the DESPAIR PAIN and sense of just utter finality with his lot in life
Things Done changed you HEAR BROOKLYN you hear that NEED that hunger to just get OVER to win and willingness to do ANYTHING to get it.
when I hear Kick In Door....man that is a lyrical ass-whipping
And Biggie storytelling?
He is an all time GREAT period
he just didn't tell a story he had internal monologues, depth, his voice changed, he altered perspectives
and HUMOR
I just had to state for the record that Biggie had a whole lot of SOUL in his music
and he DID make social commentary
it may not have been Black revolutionary?
but speaking from a young kid single household raised on the streets of Brooklyn perspective?
He spoke THAT perfectly and in that made SERIOUS social commentary
Just didn't need a whole song to perfectly encapsulate being a young black man in america.
Cause look HOW MANY YEARS LATER... ONE LINE
"Either you slinging rock or got a wicked jump shot"
RESONATES TILL THIS DAY.
and I could go on...
IMO this is false. Two reason l, it led to biggies death. It also cut big off from a lot people who didn’t want to accept big after the Pac beef. Cut him off from a whole coast. Only west coast rapper that fucked with during that beef seemed to be 2short.That beef hurt big way more than helped him.
pac knew that that's why he started the beef. It's the old saying if you can't beat em join em.
Tragic but it’s true before and posthumously it contributed to BiGs stardom. Both him and 2Pac sold even more records during the fued and after their deaths.
Who BiG collaborated with or not didn’t stall his career at all. Collaborations didn’t make BiG, BiG made BiG. The fact his music still reached the status it did without all those collaborations is a compliment. Because in the end we still bought BiGs records. The only ones hurt by not collaborating with BiG are the ones who took sides in the feud, didn’t hurt BiG tho.
This is true but it's strange how people never talk about how after pac heard biggie over easy mo bee production he wanted him as his producer.
I haven’t read the comments but this topic always triggers NYC cats. They want BIG to be the GOAT so bad even though he only had 2 albums with the second being basically a Complilation.
In the beginning I don’t even think 2Pac knew or was consciously making an effort to cut off BiG from a whole coast. His contention with BiG was his belief and association with those who he thought shot him.
The Source awards drama is what transformed it into some East coast vs west coast shit. 2Pac just rode that momentum because it went against BiG and cuz Suge Knight said so lol
The Bad Boy vs Death Row shit polarized both of their music and they both greatly benefited from that. 2Pac already had made a name for himself in music BiG was kinda the new kid on the block at the time and his music while good on its own gained a lot by his beef with Pac.
I concur with everything except that compilation. That was his style. The first and second joints had features.
This is such an unfair statement. If anything I would think Pac was a melody type rapper whereas Big was a rhythm rapper delivery wise.
Their combined efforts reflects in Jay Z's music. But in the realm of topics to rap with, Tupac wears that crown. Biggie was still teething.
huh? of 24 songs, 6 had other rappers on them. 3 had artist just singing the hook.
not true, it's just what people outside of NY think and has become the cool thing to say. Do people really think BIG wasn't getting love outside of NY? And the GOAT title goes to the other Brooklyn legend.
and Pac is from NY
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