Melle Mel of the Furious Five explains why he considers 2Pac great and why he doesn't consider Biggie Smalls as a great.

I disagree... By most accounts Puff was responsible for Biggie's diversity, when it came to album content.
Wrong! All y’all gotta do is listen to Bigs music before Pac and when he started running with Pac. All Puff did was give Big the radio hits/samples which PAC was ALREADY doing before Big. /thread
 
Jay-Z was Biggie’s Memphis Bleek

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do you DARE.....

Nothing to dare.

It's subjective there is no authority or definitive

Both great artists
I listen to 2pac and relate to his music way more. and especially now.

And all my memories, of seein' brothers bleed
And everybody grieves, but still nobody sees
Recollect your thoughts don't get caught up in the mix
'Cause the media is full of dirty tricks

Dear mama, can you save me? And fuck peace
'Cause the streets got our babies, we gotta eat
No more hesitation each and every black male's trapped
And they wonder why we suicidal runnin' 'round strapped
Mista, Police, please try to see that it's
A million motherfuckers stressin' just like me
 
Nothing to dare.

It's subjective there is no authority or definitive

Both great artists
I listen to 2pac and relate to his music way more. and especially now.

And all my memories, of seein' brothers bleed
And everybody grieves, but still nobody sees
Recollect your thoughts don't get caught up in the mix
'Cause the media is full of dirty tricks

Dear mama, can you save me? And fuck peace
'Cause the streets got our babies, we gotta eat
No more hesitation each and every black male's trapped
And they wonder why we suicidal runnin' 'round strapped
Mista, Police, please try to see that it's
A million motherfuckers stressin' just like me

agree 100%
 
PAC wasn't great either. All he did was rhyme henessy and enemies 50 times every song.

Don't get caught in the mix cause the media is full of dirty tricks

And my mission is to be more than just a rap musician
The elevation of today's generation, if I could make 'em listen
Prison ain't what we need, no longer stuck in greed
Time to plan, strategize, my family's gotta eat
We work somethin' out of nothin', no pleasure in the sufferin'
Neighbourhood would be good if they could cut out all the bustin'
The liquor and the weed, the cussin', sendin' love out to my block
The struggle never stops, unconditional love
 
And my mission is to be more than just a rap musician
The elevation of today's generation, if I could make 'em listen
Prison ain't what we need, no longer stuck in greed
Time to plan, strategize, my family's gotta eat
We work somethin' out of nothin', no pleasure in the sufferin'
Neighbourhood would be good if they could cut out all the bustin'
The liquor and the weed, the cussin', sendin' love out to my block
The struggle never stops, unconditional love
Now with all that inspiration what is Tupac mostly remembered for?
Positivist or negativity?
 
And my mission is to be more than just a rap musician
The elevation of today's generation, if I could make 'em listen
Prison ain't what we need, no longer stuck in greed
Time to plan, strategize, my family's gotta eat
We work somethin' out of nothin', no pleasure in the sufferin'
Neighbourhood would be good if they could cut out all the bustin'
The liquor and the weed, the cussin', sendin' love out to my block
The struggle never stops, unconditional love
A i sae was henessy and enemies like every other three songs he made. Sometimes he throws alize in the mix for good measure.. He sucked once he hooked up with death row. All that conscious shit went out the window when he hooked up with suge because jive and death row wasn't having that.
 
Now with all that inspiration what is Tupac mostly remembered for?
Positivist or negativity?

For dying at a young age and not reaching age of maturity like the rest of his peers of the time like Jay-Z, Diddy, Dr. Dre, Snoop, and so on.

If Jay-Z died at his age what would he be remembered for? The same with his peers? Yet, people could pull out positive things from Pac. Snoop even admitted that he told Pac to have more party songs and be so serious with some of the messages. Jay-Z finally got known for positivity overall with his 4:44 album and that was him creeping towards 50 years of age.

A i sae was henessy and enemies like every other three songs he made. Sometimes he throws alize in the mix for good measure.. He sucked once he hooked up with death row. All that conscious shit went out the window when he hooked up with suge because jive and death row wasn't having that.

To be fair how many of those songs were official releases compared to the songs that were released when he died to make money from? There are much more songs out there he didn't want released than released and there was a reason for it. Some of the official releases you could tell he reworked some of the unreleased songs with the lyrics.

He did rhyme about that as you say, BUT let's not pretend that is ALL he rapped about. How many songs does he have out there in comparison to his other peers at the time? He will obviously be more exposed than guys like Jay-Z who is meticulous with his releases and doesn't have shelf songs being released without his co-sign.
 
I don't agree, but I can't blame him either.

It must be hard to see a culture he created and turned into a multi-billion industry while he's living off crumbs. Must be even harder to see the people he influenced have a stronger legacy than he does.

It makes me wonder if any heavyweights have really reached out to him. At least gave him a chance to drop some guest vocals on a track so that he could eat a little better.

Then again he could just be a bitter old man who likes to complain.
 
I don't agree, but I can't blame him either.

It must be hard to see a culture he created and turned into a multi-billion industry while he's living off crumbs. Must be even harder to see the people he influenced have a stronger legacy than he does.

It makes me wonder if any heavyweights have really reached out to him. At least gave him a chance to drop some guest vocals on a track so that he could eat a little better.

Then again he could just be a bitter old man who likes to complain.

The duality of it all. I will say that the new generation of hip hop culture does seem to not have the same reverence for the origins of the genre.
 
Now with all that inspiration what is Tupac mostly remembered for?
Positivist or negativity?

depends on if you're in the u.s. or not.
If you're in the u.s, all the media will let you remember about him is the negativity

If you're in other countries like South America and Africa he's remembered for being FOR the people and understanding their struggle.

So yea.
 
depends on if you're in the u.s. or not.
If you're in the u.s, all the media will let you remember about him is the negativity

If you're in other countries like South America and Africa he's remembered for being FOR the people and understanding their struggle.

So yea.
The media has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about the people on the streets.
 
Now with all that inspiration what is Tupac mostly remembered for?
Positivist or negativity?
Instigating a foolish beef between the so called east coast and west coast even though his ass was born in New York and raised in Baltimore.

Getting involved in a gang brawl in a Las Vegas hotel that got his silly ass killed.

Making a handful of shitty movies.

Putting 'I drink henessy over my enemies in every other song.

Causing a surge in Hennessy and Alize sales in the mid 90s cause negros thought it was cool to drink.

He was the first dude I saw with a nose ring which at the time I thought was a rather feminine thing to do. Who am I kidding shit is still feminine.

And probably was the inspiration of Gangstaliscious.

First big name artist who hustled backwards.

On a sidenote yall do know this dude was at the school of performing arts and took ballet which means nigga wore a tutu.
 
The duality of it all. I will say that the new generation of hip hop culture does seem to not have the same reverence for the origins of the genre.
That's because there's a total discount from the orgins to what's going on now. Most of the "artist" in rap to day are just copycats of each other and there's no love for the art but just love of attention and money.
 
LOL the media has nothing to do with how the people on the streets think of people
is that what you just typed?
Man cut it.. Tupac and not the media shaped his own image (without the media) on how the streets viewed him when he was alive and after he was killed.
 
That's because there's a total discount from the orgins to what's going on now. Most of the "artist" in rap to day are just copycats of each other and there's no love for the art but just love of attention and money.

In fairness to the new era most weren't born and really can't grasp how hard it was for hip hop to actually breakthrough into mainstream. They can't fathom a time when there could possibly not hear hip hop heavy on the radio or 24/7 access through media like television.

Still it is disrespectful to the art, but hip hop being disrespectful in itself with content at times is par for the course I guess.
 
The duality of it all. I will say that the new generation of hip hop culture does seem to not have the same reverence for the origins of the genre.

The irony is that Tupac gave reverence in his song "old school" and Biggie wore his influences on his sleeve in "Juicy"

That said, reverence has to work both ways. If your father tried to diminish your accomplishments and challenge you to a fist fight you wouldn't have much reverence for him either.
 
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