Mcdonalds Incident.... Self defense???

[code_pirahna]

Man fuck all this...

dudes in here said it the best....

Problem too many of today's females don t want to act like females....

They want to be like men....but they don t understand being a man has consequences....

Like if you pick a fight....you have to deal with the outcome.....

Chicks hate taking responsibility for their actions....

 

[LoneStar29]

so we agree then so where's the problem?
he was not wrong in defending himself
once they went down he should have called the cops himself
better yet like ive been saying the employees should have called the cops FIRST
or just announced that they cops were called even if it wasn't true.

I dont have a problem I've been saying the same thing this entire thread which is that it was ok to defend himself but that he went overboard

But should she had hit him????

Absolutely not

Noone is saying them hitting him is ok ... they were 100% wrong to hit him as well as scream at him like that

Be had every right to defend himself

But he took it too far ... the situation didnt call for that amount of force IMO ... once they were down he shouldnt have continued to hit them

 

[John_Gault]

I dont have a problem I've been saying the same thing this entire thread which is that it was ok to defend himself but that he went overboard



Absolutely not

Noone is saying them hitting him is ok ... they were 100% wrong to hit him as well as scream at him like that

Be had every right to defend himself

But he took it too far ... the situation didnt call for that amount of force IMO ... once they were down he shouldnt have continued to hit them

I can understand female solidarity or even EMPATHY and all that. But on the real. The ONLY reason this tread is THIS LONG is because TWO FEMALES (who were disguised as men) but PRESENTED themselves as men, CAUGHT THE WRONG END OF THE BUSINESS.



If the two assailants were male, this would NEVER have received the attention it's gotten.


WOMEN, are trying to have their cake and eat it too, when it comes to assault. and THESE two found out that the world of violence DESTROYS the gender distinction.


They, like many people (male or female), OVERREACHED their grasp and caught the ROD.

Those who say HE, a man who is VERY FAMILIAR with the 'ways' of violence, went overboard . . . aren't really 'FAMILIAR' with the consequences of violence.


His instincts and experience told him to be CERTAIN about his assailants status (in terms of SELF PRESERVATION).


I can tell those that never REALLY been in some shit, because y'all saying he went OVERBOARD.


I got affiliates that get 'wheeled' around by demonstrating varying degrees of 'mercy'. Y'all need to SNAP out of it.


The ONLY hands that belong on another person . . . are the ones that are INVITED.


JG

 

[skybluheel]

To me, it doesn't matter what gender or race the assailants were.

The facts still remain that the cashier was doing his legitimate job in checking whether the $50 bill he'd been given by the customer was valid before she took offense and began to verbally abuse the guy.

Emboldened by the fact that said guy chose to smile at her insults rather than engage her in a slanging match she then proceeded to lunge over the counter to deliver a slap to his face which constitutes assault in itself before leaping over the counter in pursuit of said cashier with her friend coming sideways from the right hand side of the screen.

The two women proceed to move aggressively towards the cashier before attacking him. He proceeds to defend himself with a kitchen implement, subduing his assailants and continues to hit them every time they tried to rise to their feet all the while telling them to "stay down".

Should he have continued smiting them whilst they were writhing on the floor?

Maybe not. But it cannot be argued that the assailants had not placed themselves in this unfortunate position due to their own lack of decorum and civility.

The two women in this case were extremely stupid and only have themselves to blame for whatever injuries they suffered as a consequence of said stupidity.

The Cashier's previous criminal conviction has no bearing on whether what he did in this instance was wrong or right but it will no doubt have consequences as to how his case is viewed in court with a possible conviction to follow thus further insuring that another minority male takes up space on the already overcrowded conveyor belt of the prison complex industry.

After all is said and done, this scenario is sad and unfortunate on so many levels for the simple fact that when it comes to right and wrong some people choose to get it twisted rather than sticking to what's right in front of their very eyes.

I personally tend to try and steer clear from any of the ridiculous Black men vs Black Women threads and posts that tend to proliferate within this forum with much frequency but it never seizes to amaze me how vocal some posters become when they scent blood in the gender war waters of BGOL.

and with that.....close thread...well said

 

[Naha-Nago]

I can understand female solidarity or even EMPATHY and all that. But on the real. The ONLY reason this tread is THIS LONG is because TWO FEMALES (who were disguised as men) but PRESENTED themselves as men, CAUGHT THE WRONG END OF THE BUSINESS.



If the two assailants were male, this would NEVER have received the attention it's gotten.


WOMEN, are trying to have their cake and eat it too, when it comes to assault. and THESE two found out that the world of violence DESTROYS the gender distinction.


They, like many people (male or female), OVERREACHED their grasp and caught the ROD.

Those who say HE, a man who is VERY FAMILIAR with the 'ways' of violence, went overboard . . . aren't really 'FAMILIAR' with the consequences of violence.


His instincts and experience told him to be CERTAIN about his assailants status (in terms of SELF PRESERVATION).


I can tell those that never REALLY been in some shit, because y'all saying he went OVERBOARD.


I got affiliates that get 'wheeled' around by demonstrating varying degrees of 'mercy'. Y'all need to SNAP out of it.


The ONLY hands that belong on another person . . . are the ones that are INVITED.


JG

C/S

All of that could have been avoided if one person kept their hands to themself and two people stayed in their lane- which was on the other side of the counter. For once you cross that line into ther realm of physical confrontation, whatever happens happens. Lesson learned.

It is unfortunate that the cat may have to pay the consequences for finishing something he did not start and was 'brought to his house'. That is unfortunate.


Ba da bop ba baaaaaa...

*two cents*

 

[LoneStar29]

Why do you 2 have to font so damn big uuuurgh lol

Anyways I would feel the same way if it was a woman who did that to 2 men ... or if a man did that to 2 men ... or if a woman did that to 2 women ... and regardless of anyones race

Can ya'll say the same???.....

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

I'm still wondering where anyone said the chicks weren't in the wrong? Or anyone said the guy didn't have a right to defend himself? It seems to me.and i'll count in a moment. People are saying. I've said it. Lonestar has said it. That he was in his rights, but it was excessive there.

 

[SKATTA]

Some these females are getting to brave for me these days.

i really do hope one these butch,dykes,loud mouth chicks dont run up on me like that,cuz they most likely gonna get fugged up.

shyt is getting outta hand.

 

[LoneStar29]

I'm still wondering where anyone said the chicks weren't in the wrong? Or anyone said the guy didn't have a right to defend himself? It seems to me.and i'll count in a moment. People are saying. I've said it. Lonestar has said it. That he was in his rights, but it was excessive there.

They're reading our posts but interpreting them how they want to so they can argue ... you know how argumentative boys can be

 

[John_Gault]

I'm still wondering where anyone said the chicks weren't in the wrong? Or anyone said the guy didn't have a right to defend himself? It seems to me.and i'll count in a moment. People are saying. I've said it. Lonestar has said it. That he was in his rights, but it was excessive there.

THAT is entirely SUBJECTIVE. And the problem here is that neither you OR Lone are getting that. Sure LEVELS of force and proportion are ARGUABLE.


You can NEVER PREDICT where ESCALATION or preparedness for escalation will go one the INITIAL assault occurs.


If you've EVER been a victim of severe violence or physical confrontation OR perhaps 'mob action' (yes. let's look that one up), then you'll understand how naive your perspective is. . . But you know how irrational the irrational can be.


VIOLENCE IS NOT PREDICTABLE. So stop pretending it is.



JG

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

A Killer needing to defend himself with a metal rod vs two females under 5'3........tough..

 

[LoneStar29]

A Killer needing to defend himself with a metal rod vs two females under 5'3........tough..

Well one of the females had on baggy jeans and a hoodie so...

 

[Count23]

Yes. Per....my response in post 321

If anything it's frustrating. That another black man is going to do time over some more dumb shit.

i haven't seen any posts in this thread from you that indicated your beef is with the 'excessive violence' in principle w/o any gender bias.

 

[lightbright]

i usually dont condone nigga nonsense but this video had me wondering was this self defense or did he go too far....
plus you cant really see in the video but i think its another case of dykes taking that man roleplay too seriously...

I'm c/s this ass whoopin

I'm leanin toward a c/s too.......





All in all the fukkin tuff as nails dyke got her ass whipped..........too many bitches be tryin to get tuff thinking a ninja won't hit them back cause they're females......dumbass picked the wrong person this time....bet she pops shit at a lotta people....I gotta say he took it a little too far....but hey....she jumped the counter and stepped like a man one time too many that time........step like a man, get an ass whippin like a man......

Fuck her.

You want to Act like a man, you get handled like one.

Lucky her ass aint dead..

Waaay too many bishe think a ninja won't hit them......

 

[Count23]

A Killer needing to defend himself with a metal rod vs two females under 5'3........tough..

would it have made you feel better if he punched and kicked them both to the floor instead?

 

[lightbright]

would it have made you feel better if he punched and kicked them both to the floor instead?

 

[John_Gault]

would it have made you feel better if he punched and kicked them both to the floor instead?

Dude, all of this double standard blow back is EGO. But they don't hear you though.


SOME people believe there's some magical RULE BOOK that applies to females, and another that applies to males when it concerns PHYSICAL violence.


The 'tough' guy says . . . I can handle any 'broad', no sweat (as he kisses his bi-cepts). And to THIS guy NO female is capable of rendering harm to such a guy.

However, there are quite the number of infirmaries and graveyards of 'tough guys' that slept on the capacity of the FEMALE propensity for violence. Females do MANY things different in hostile situations than male.

One being, women are FAR more likely to pick up some shit and throw it.

Females are FAR more likely to bite scratch or resort to razor blades than males.

MOST men BOX . . . the rest are smart enough to expand their arsenal of tools . . . recognizing that UNDERESTIMATING ANY THREAT regardless of gender may prove your undoing.



Ex: In the battle field SOLDIERS were warned to be on alert for 'child' attackers in Iraq. Should an attacker be a child, how is a soldier supposed to handle the situation? It's a legit question, because a bullet triggered by a child will KILL just the same.

We would ALL like to see one of our own disarm the child and set him or her free . . . but child with a gun is FAR more likely to pose danger . . . women only second to children in this regard. However, a spontaneous situation may leave little if any time (and depending on one's faculties) or intelligence to ADEQUATELY handle the situation in a manner that would PLEASE everyone.


THIS is the BEST case scenario. It is also a LUXURY, if not a fantasy, that an incident will work out this way.

So THREAD_CRITIC all you've said is that 2 woman of a certain height 'SHOULDN'T' be a problem for a "TUFF" guy to handle. But you haven't REALLY said anything. What you have done is curry favor from a few females on the board who agree with such non-sense. Get your groove on. But there are MANY MEN who've SEEN what that gender MIS-conception can lead to. Good thing YOU aren't among them. Because there are a good many females here in NEW YORK that have been on the RECEIVING end on RAZOR BLADE CUTS to the face . . . and men too. And I'm not sure how me being a guy would prevent me from catching a slash here or there.

Anyhow, this guy did PRISON time. He LIKELY has a better idea of the POTENTIAL outcomes of multi-person attacks that you do. He reacted how he KNEW BEST . . . period.


So continue on thinking these 'women' can't or won't make it happen for you. And we can respectfully agree to disagree . . . but one thing though, how WILLING are you to risk ANY part of your physical well being by exposing yourself to whatever unknown intentions from ANYONE? You seem to be a wise guy . . . knock it off. I don't see ANY intelligent person, especially with responsibilities or something to lose taking that risk. Because dead up, if the cashier was female MY opinion is the same.


JG

 

[DreDee]

Guess they were out of Happy Meals.....should have beat that white lady for hollering too!

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

THAT is entirely SUBJECTIVE. And the problem here is that neither you OR Lone are getting that. Sure LEVELS of force and proportion are ARGUABLE.


You can NEVER PREDICT where ESCALATION or preparedness for escalation will go one the INITIAL assault occurs.


If you've EVER been a victim of severe violence or physical confrontation OR perhaps 'mob action' (yes. let's look that one up), then you'll understand how naive your perspective is. . . But you know how irrational the irrational can be.


VIOLENCE IS NOT PREDICTABLE. So stop pretending it is.



JG

You DO realize. She and i are not the ONLY 2 people who've said this? And no it's NOT subjective. And you're right. I guess. I am naive to believe that a man should be responsible for his own actions and not revert to a raging animal if he gets slapped by a 5'2 130lb female.

Everything else you're saying? Excuses. You can stop yourself anytime you get ready too. That "blacked out" defense has never worked in court. When i worked in the legal side of things i'd see 70 of these types of cases come through a month. And most of the time it was always the SAME outcome.

You could've stopped at THIS point. There's a point to where it stops becoming self defense, and starts becoming assault.

Nobody anywhere is saying those chicks were right. They weren't. They were stupid and ignorant and a discredit to black women everywhere as far as i'm concerned. This is about a legal issue. The law, the people who are going to look at this, the people who arrested him, the arraigning judge who saw the case and what happened. Have already said and determined he could've stopped at some point.

That whole "we turn into beasts when provoked" defense is NOT going to cut it.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

would it have made you feel better if he punched and kicked them both to the floor instead?

Would've made me feel better if he would've went to get his manager when they first started trippin....like he was trained to do....................and yes it would've made me feel better if he would've acted like a savage with his hands instead of acting like a savage with a weapon.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

A Killer needing to defend himself with a metal rod vs two females under 5'3........tough..

They were going to slaughter him. And he needed to fight for his life. And he's not a thinking human being. He's a wild beast. Just in the form of a man. It was war. There are no rules. Even in McDonalds. It's a jungle. Real in the field. Got to be a G 24 - 7. Three sixty five. Got to hold mines down ya heard!

I hope this infectious mental disease doesn't affect any males i love. I'd hate to lose them to something as stupid as this nonsense.

 

[Rick Spanish]

You DO realize. She and i are not the ONLY 2 people who've said this? And no it's NOT subjective. And you're right. I guess. I am naive to believe that a man should be responsible for his own actions and not revert to a raging animal if he gets slapped by a 5'2 130lb female.

Everything else you're saying? Excuses. You can stop yourself anytime you get ready too. That "blacked out" defense has never worked in court. When i worked in the legal side of things i'd see 70 of these types of cases come through a month. And most of the time it was always the SAME outcome.

You could've stopped at THIS point. There's a point to where it stops becoming self defense, and starts becoming assault.

Nobody anywhere is saying those chicks were right. They weren't. They were stupid and ignorant and a discredit to black women everywhere as far as i'm concerned. This is about a legal issue. The law, the people who are going to look at this, the people who arrested him, the arraigning judge who saw the case and what happened. Have already said and determined he could've stopped at some point.

That whole "we turn into beasts when provoked" defense is NOT going to cut it.

Yes it is subjective.. IMO nothing was excessive about his reaction. They were in a restricted area, and who knows what kind of concealed weapon they could have pulled.


Was this reaction excessive? This guy had a machete, stabbed the kid, and didn't do a day behind bars...

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

They were going to slaughter him. And he needed to fight for his life. And he's not a thinking human being. He's a wild beast. Just in the form of a man. It was war. There are no rules. Even in McDonalds. It's a jungle. Real in the field. Got to be a G 24 - 7. Three sixty five. Got to hold mines down ya heard!

I hope this infectious mental disease doesn't affect any males i love. I'd hate to lose them to something as stupid as this nonsense.

Man a lot of these Bgol kats just plain hate women period I've noticed this over the years, but its getting to crazy levels now

 

[Rick Spanish]

Man a lot of these Bgol kats just plain hate women period I've noticed this over the years, but its getting to crazy levels now

It's not even a Man vs Woman thing, dude.. No one here would feel different (other than her and LoneWhore) if it were dudes that caught it. The only reason this dyke bitch is running her mouth is cause some dyke bitches caught a bad one. If it were dudes she'd be no where to be found.

 

[God-Of-War-420]

Yes it is subjective.. IMO nothing was excessive about his reaction. They were in a restricted area, and who knows what kind of concealed weapon they could have pulled.


Was this reaction excessive? This guy had a machete, stabbed the kid, and didn't do a day behind bars...

both cases imo were justified...

 

[John_Gault]

You DO realize. She and i are not the ONLY 2 people who've said this? And no it's NOT subjective. And you're right. I guess. I am naive to believe that a man should be responsible for his own actions and not revert to a raging animal if he gets slapped by a 5'2 130lb female.




And the SAME shouldn't go for FEMALES? WHY IS THAT . . . From the LOOKS of the video, it's the FEMALES that EXHIBITED and INITIATED ANIMAL BEHAVIOR first!

But I get it . . . you folks have a serious eye problem, I think it's called GENDER VISION. Go 'see' an optometrist. Because the first animal you saw IRONICALLY wasn't the DIKE . . . but the cashier? C'mon, you aren't even trying.

Everything else you're saying? Excuses. You can stop yourself anytime you get ready too. That "blacked out" defense has never worked in court. When i worked in the legal side of things i'd see 70 of these types of cases come through a month. And most of the time it was always the SAME outcome.

You could've stopped at THIS point. There's a point to where it stops becoming self defense, and starts becoming assault.

THIS POINT you speak of IS . . . . drum roll please . . . . . SUBJECTIVE.

Nobody anywhere is saying those chicks were right. They weren't. They were stupid and ignorant and a discredit to black women everywhere as far as i'm concerned. This is about a legal issue. The law, the people who are going to look at this, the people who arrested him, the arraigning judge who saw the case and what happened. Have already said and determined he could've stopped at some point.

That whole "we turn into beasts when provoked" defense is NOT going to cut it.

All bolded in pink is PROJECTION. I never implied a 'black out' EXCUSE (and by the way, JG don't need excuses where cogent reasoning will do JUST fine). You just fabricated that out of thin air.


On subjectivity. The MERE FACT that there's DIFFERENCE OF OPINION on the amount of force PROVES that it's SUBJECTIVE!!!! Get it? Subjective = personal opinion, whether informed or uninformed.


And what does 5'3 @ 130 pounds have to do with it? First, you don't know ANYTHING about the assailants, height and weight included. Secondly, there were TWO attackers, one of whom exhibited a HIGH propensity for violence and a willingness to continues WITH ABANDON, hence hopping onto and over the counter.


I don't know about YOU, but where I'M from it's the 'seemingly' incapable or small people that are the MOST dangerous. WHY? Because to compensate for their 'seeming' inadequacies, the are usually carriers . . . gun carriers.

So you AND thread_critic and EVERYONE else that thinks that SIZE matters, can continue on. But there're are more 'shorties' killing and baggin' folks than these illusory giant henchmen that'd be the opposite of these supposed 'little girl' mothafuckas y'all yappin about.


One of these 5'2 buck 05 motherfuckas will put your hairline where your shag is supposed to be . . . JUST because y'all sleeping on 'em. Feel bad for them broads all you want, but ask yourself . . . WHAT WERE THEIR INTENTIONS? AND WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED IF HE DIDN'T HAVE A WEAPON AT ALL?And to ad to THAT, what IF they had weapons? He had no way of knowing that. Male or female, he stopped the threat with sufficient force.


It's 2011 . . . snap out of it, ignorance is bad for you.


JG

 

[big pimp]

that white lady screaming shouldve gotten a couple of smacks also

 

[God-Of-War-420]

All bolded in pink is PROJECTION. I never implied a 'black out' EXCUSE (and by the way, JG don't need excuses where cogent reasoning will do JUST fine). You just fabricated that out of thin air.


On subjectivity. The MERE FACT that there's DIFFERENCE OF OPINION on the amount of force PROVES that it's SUBJECTIVE!!!! Get it? Subjective = personal opinion, whether informed or uninformed.


And what does 5'3 @ 130 pounds have to do with it? First, you don't know ANYTHING about the assailants, height and weight included. Secondly, there were TWO attackers, one of whom exhibited a HIGH propensity for violence and a willingness to continues WITH ABANDON, hence hopping onto and over the counter.


I don't know about YOU, but where I'M from it's the 'seemingly' incapable or small people that are the MOST dangerous. WHY? Because to compensate for their 'seeming' inadequacies, the are usually carriers . . . gun carriers.

So you AND thread_critic and EVERYONE else that thinks that SIZE matters, can continue on. But there're are more 'shorties' killing and baggin' folks than these illusory giant henchmen that'd be the opposite of these supposed 'little girl' mothafuckas y'all yappin about.


One of these 5'2 buck 05 motherfuckas will put your hairline where your shag is supposed to be . . . JUST because y'all sleeping on 'em. Feel bad for them broads all you want, but ask yourself . . . WHAT WERE THEIR INTENTIONS? AND WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED IF HE DIDN'T HAVE A WEAPON AT ALL?And to ad to THAT, what IF they had weapons? He had no way of knowing that. Male or female, he stopped the threat with sufficient force.


It's 2011 . . . snap out of it, ignorance is bad for you.


JG

people arguing this have clearly never been in any crazy situations

 

[Rick Ronson]

Cracked the bitches skull.

All that because she wanted to make movies .

Those bitches became a part of the action scene.

They took it to a new level by chasing behind the counter
and dude toook it to the next level by beating the bitches
so bad they went home put on dresses & went to church.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Man a lot of these Bgol kats just plain hate women period I've noticed this over the years, but its getting to crazy levels now

I've been saying this. I'm glad that some aren't like this though. Some of you still have a shred of common sense and decency. SOME of you realize what it means to be MEN.

 

[big pimp]

that's what she deserves..i salute homie because these dykes take it too far like a nigga suppose bow down just cuz you're a female..if you play a mans role..you get beat down like a man..and somebody should've smacked that white bitch with all that yellin.

c/s

 

[John_Gault]

Man a lot of these Bgol kats just plain hate women period I've noticed this over the years, but its getting to crazy levels now

HATE . . . WOMEN? Man, you just told 3 jokes with that. Instead of addressing my completely legit points . . . that's your position? Get yo' groove on man.


But in the interest of shits and giggles, here's one; If I hate women, you must hate being a man. It'd explain why your empathy is one sided versus being objective. Now that's funny.


JG

 

[charlie dark]

You DO realize. She and i are not the ONLY 2 people who've said this? And no it's NOT subjective. And you're right. I guess. I am naive to believe that a man should be responsible for his own actions and not revert to a raging animal if he gets slapped by a 5'2 130lb female.

Everything else you're saying? Excuses. You can stop yourself anytime you get ready too. That "blacked out" defense has never worked in court. When i worked in the legal side of things i'd see 70 of these types of cases come through a month. And most of the time it was always the SAME outcome.

You could've stopped at THIS point. There's a point to where it stops becoming self defense, and starts becoming assault.

Nobody anywhere is saying those chicks were right. They weren't. They were stupid and ignorant and a discredit to black women everywhere as far as i'm concerned. This is about a legal issue. The law, the people who are going to look at this, the people who arrested him, the arraigning judge who saw the case and what happened. Have already said and determined he could've stopped at some point.

That whole "we turn into beasts when provoked" defense is NOT going to cut it.

You make some very valid points.
I persoonally think the dude went over the top.
But a more interesting comparison would be if we replaced the two girls with two black men and replaced the dude with a white police officer, who in turn administered a comparable beating to the two unarmed dudes.
I'm quite sure that most of us would be looking at the scenario differently, as would the legal system..

So is it our predjudice that colours our opinions?

Food for thought!!

 

[John_Gault]

I've been saying this. I'm glad that some aren't like this though. Some of you still have a shred of common sense and decency. SOME of you realize what it means to be MEN.

How about this 'ladies' . . . Try imparting that shit to the FEMALES who lack it. PERHAPS, neither gender will have to 'DISCOVER' the indecency of one another?


How about THAT? Never mind . . . it's completely on the MAN'S shoulders. Females aren't responsible for their actions. All those violent female offenders in prison are simply misunderstood.

But g'head, fly that flag!! Don't address any real points. Just leave that pile of crap at the 'MAN' feet. Too rich . . . I'm going to sleep. My liquor done wor' off!


JG

 

[Rick Spanish]

I've been saying this. I'm glad that some aren't like this though. Some of you still have a shred of common sense and decency. SOME of you realize what it means to be MEN.

If were men that got that ass beat and not some bull-dykes, would you have posted in this thread? Answer that.


And BTW kill all of that "What it means to be a man" noise. If these dumb bitches knew how to be LADIES, the situation wouldn't have escalated in the first place.