Today's word for the day: REACHING!
Extremely careless comparison.
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Mayweather refuses Manny's demand for a 50/50 split. Fight is in serious trouble.
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Today's word for the day: REACHING!
Extremely careless comparison.
You are not allowed to post in a boxing thread ever again.
Ban this man from all boxing talk
So out every thing I've typed in this thread about the actual point of this thread and counter points to your rambling bullshit... you focus on one sentence that says exactly what you are doing. Keep defending stadiums and news date that will kill the mega fight and ducking any counters points to your spin on the situation. I would think that you would know ducking when you see it.
Look who pacman fought the last time he fought a popular mexican fight Floyd fought ortiz he don't have the mexican crowd behind him cause he was born n raised in the states. Marquez n Pacman fight was a triology so it did the numbers it shoulda did being the other times they fought it ended in controversey
Oh yeah... I wasn't in here for the PPV comparisons, but wtf is wrong with you motherfuckers. Pac was fighting his most well known rival, a guy who with out question a HOF, within the top 3-4 boxers in the world and he is Mexican which brings on all of that viewership. If that shit didn't do blockbuster numbers he might as well retire.
As far as that being an argument for a 50/50 split... no, but does Pac deserve a 50/50 split yes... up until he said he would take less to make the fight.
As far as that being an argument for a 50/50 split... no, but does Pac deserve a 50/50 split yes... up until he said he would take less to make the fight.
Quit bring me up and just stay on topic. Seriously it is about the gayest thing to constantly bitch about someone on the web. Blah Blah Blah, stop trying to validate yourself to a bunch of strangers. Speak on the topics and move on.
not at prices that you need for it to make a difference in revenue. People are going to pay 1000 to sit in the nosebleed seats where you cant even see the fight... a couple hundred man... but not a 1000
LMAO. Calzaghe is highly respected. But he never stepped outside his comfort zone and took on challenges. He did dominate weaker opponents. And just like most fighters that are undefeated do. It is rare that a fighter takes challenges and remains undefeated. PBF is not an example of that yet. But he could be if he takes fights that he isn't the clear favorite. But dude just doesn't want to do that.
This fight is not happening in May.
okay
He fought JMM because Roach and Arum said they weren't interested in the fight at first, because Manny would have to move up in weight.
They drug test request came after the 10 million dollar per lbs over 147 request from Manny which originally held up the negotiations. Which is more unreasonable... I go with the 10 mill, but Mayweather agreed to it.
There would be no money issue if Manny didn't say he would take less. I mean what the fuck you offer more cash to guy who calls himself 'Money' and then don't understand why he wants to hold on to that deal...
I just don't understand how fighting for promised money is unreasonable, but forcing a stadium and moving the date is reasonable.
I keep saying they both are full of shit. However PBF fought Juan when the fight could have been made with Manny. It was pretty clear that when he decided to come back it was to fight Manny. And PBF has had nothing but so called Manny tune ups since. The 10 million was stupid just like the drug test, 100 million, and so many other things. And the issue about half makes sense when you see PBF is setting up everything about the fight in his favor without any real negotiation. PBF knows how the business works but is trying to discredit Manny in every way possible. So Manny is right to ask for 50/50 if this is how it is going to be done.
Please.
Besides Kessler, name 1 big name fighter he fought that was in his PRIME.
Beating a wash up Roy Jones & and a old Ass B-hop ain't exactly career defining.
Calslappy would've got rocked if he fought Jones or B-hop earlier in their careers.
Please what?
Miguel Cotto will choose the best deal
By Rey Colón -The Sport Press
The free agent status of WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto (37-2, 30 KOs) will allow him to choose the best offer from Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Manny Pacquiao, who continue to publicly discuss through their advisors and promoter Bob Arum whether or not they will face off May 5 or June 9. Given the refusal of Mayweather Jr. to accept a 50-50 purse split while Pacquiao insistance on this conditionl, all roads lead to Cotto, who after them is the biggest ‘pay per view’ seller in the division, therefore his name is the first option.
Cotto will listen to the offer of the Mayweather Jr. group and then give an opportunity to Arum, who was his promoter since he debuted ten years ago and whose contract expired on December 31. He will then evaluate the bids and choose the most attractive and lucrative.
Arum and Cotto have met several times in recent months but reached no agreement. The CEO of Top Rank is said to have offered three fights (Pacquiao-Mayweather Jr. and Chavez Jr.) on the condition he re-signed with the company.
However, Cotto wants to continue as a free agent and negotiate fight-to-fight, so it’s possible that Golden Boy Promotions, which has ties to Mayweather Jr., will make a lucrative offer for a May 5 bout which must be overcome by Arum if he wants Cotto to face Pacquiao on June 9.
It is expected that next week the ‘boxing triangle’ will comes to a head.
By Rey Colón -The Sport Press
The free agent status of WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto (37-2, 30 KOs) will allow him to choose the best offer from Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Manny Pacquiao, who continue to publicly discuss through their advisors and promoter Bob Arum whether or not they will face off May 5 or June 9. Given the refusal of Mayweather Jr. to accept a 50-50 purse split while Pacquiao insistance on this conditionl, all roads lead to Cotto, who after them is the biggest ‘pay per view’ seller in the division, therefore his name is the first option.
Cotto will listen to the offer of the Mayweather Jr. group and then give an opportunity to Arum, who was his promoter since he debuted ten years ago and whose contract expired on December 31. He will then evaluate the bids and choose the most attractive and lucrative.
Arum and Cotto have met several times in recent months but reached no agreement. The CEO of Top Rank is said to have offered three fights (Pacquiao-Mayweather Jr. and Chavez Jr.) on the condition he re-signed with the company.
However, Cotto wants to continue as a free agent and negotiate fight-to-fight, so it’s possible that Golden Boy Promotions, which has ties to Mayweather Jr., will make a lucrative offer for a May 5 bout which must be overcome by Arum if he wants Cotto to face Pacquiao on June 9.
It is expected that next week the ‘boxing triangle’ will comes to a head.
Please, Cazalghe shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Mayweather.
That's why DCsailor reacted that way to the comment.
They are similar. Each fighter was protected and put in situation where they were the favorite in 99% of their fights. Damn, Joe held down the 168 division for a decade. I mean like him or not. He did what he was supposed to do. He beat the people put in front of him that didn't stand much of a chance. I don't consider him a top 50. But I am not going to act like he doesn't deserve any accolades. PBF's career is overrated to me. He had opportunities to fight dudes in their prime and chose not to do that most of the time. His career is based on finding dudes that doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell beating him and getting the maximum credit for those victories. Both guys are talented as hell, but never really tested themselves. Hence the questions about how great they are.
You don't quest Hearns, Ali, or SRL. Because they fought the best out there. Not like the two guys you doesn't think should be mentioned together.
I would like to see Cotto try to get paybacks on Manny. The opportunity of Cotto and PBF just seems to little to late again. There is nothing about those two fighting that interest me at all. PBF had a chance to fight Cotto. It didn't happen when it looked like a great match up. Why bother now?
Y'all Niccas tripping, Calzaghe would have fucked up both Roy and Bernard in their primes! He was still more crafty, faster, and had underrated power, and neither of them ever fought a prime fighter in their careers, with the skillset Calzaghe had! Was it him, or them who waited until late, maybe to try to catch HIM slipping, and they got their asses kicked!!! 
Y'all Niccas tripping, Calzaghe would have fucked up both Roy and Bernard in their primes! He was still more crafty, faster, and had underrated power, and neither of them ever fought a prime fighter in their careers, with the skillset Calzaghe had! Was it him, or them who waited until late, maybe to try to catch HIM slipping, and they got their asses kicked!!!
RJJ resume is lacking for prime time fights. But Bhop has a win over Tito, KO over Oscar and the 20 plus title defenses. I think if Bhop and Joe fought earlier. Joe would have slapped BHOP causes him to fly over the top rope. Leading to a NC ruling for the bout. BHOP is like the teflon don. But seriously, I think Joe could have beating RJJ because Joe had the tools and wasn't scared of anyone. Against BHOP. I got to go with my dude. Bhop would have figured something out to get the victory.
Hard to say, also because the fighters you mentioned were 1) Smaller than BHop, coming up in weight 2) Were MUCH slower than Calzaghe... Out of BHops 20 defenses, who did he beat that was REALLY noteworthy? I Love BHop, and he probably, because of his old school approach and the way he technically boxed, is one of my favorite to ever do it, but I do see him having problems with a Prime Joe. Everyone points to BHop and RJJ being past their primes, well Joe wasn't exactly in his early 20s when they fought either...
As stated before... and as you avoided before
Here are a few questions just to see where your head is at...
Premise 1. The 10 million is just was just as dumb as the drug testing, which you are now willing to admit... even though, it is worse than drug testing, but anyways...
Premise 2. Floyd agreed to a silly request and Manny walked away because of a silly request in response...
WHO DUCKED THE FIGHT AND/OR WHO WASN'T TRYING TO MAKE THE FIGHT
As a follow up question is Floyd suppose to agree to every request and not make any request of his own
If Manny fought at the MGM in his last two fights, how does fighting at the MGM for this fight favor Floyd?
In what way does fighting on either date favor either fighter? A date is a date. It has no sway on who wins the fight. If it does, please explain.
Manny already had a 50/50 split and said he would take less to make the fight. Nothing has changed to favor either party in any way as far as winning the fight. Neither fighter's stock has gone up to justify a change in the money situation. In fact, Manny's stock has gone way down since Marquez schooled him. So why exactly should Manny get to change up what they have already agreed on?
There are 6 clear questions that can be addressed. I'm sure they won't be.
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Hard to say, also because the fighters you mentioned were 1) Smaller than BHop, coming up in weight 2) Were MUCH slower than Calzaghe... Out of BHops 20 defenses, who did he beat that was REALLY noteworthy? I Love BHop, and he probably, because of his old school approach and the way he technically boxed, is one of my favorite to ever do it, but I do see him having problems with a Prime Joe. Everyone points to BHop and RJJ being past their primes, well Joe wasn't exactly in his early 20s when they fought either...
I am diehard Bhop Stan. Which is why I just said he would figure out a way to beat him. Since we are just shooting the shit. I'll stick with that. At the end of the day. All we can do is speculate. However, I don't see how anyone can clown Joe and not others for doing the same shit in their career.
As stated before... and as you avoided before
Here are a few questions just to see where your head is at...
Premise 1. The 10 million is just was just as dumb as the drug testing, which you are now willing to admit... even though, it is worse than drug testing, but anyways...
Premise 2. Floyd agreed to a silly request and Manny walked away because of a silly request in response...
WHO DUCKED THE FIGHT AND/OR WHO WASN'T TRYING TO MAKE THE FIGHT
As a follow up question is Floyd suppose to agree to every request and not make any request of his own
If Manny fought at the MGM in his last two fights, how does fighting at the MGM for this fight favor Floyd?
In what way does fighting on either date favor either fighter? A date is a date. It has no sway on who wins the fight. If it does, please explain.
Manny already had a 50/50 split and said he would take less to make the fight. Nothing has changed to favor either party in any way as far as winning the fight. Neither fighter's stock has gone up to justify a change in the money situation. In fact, Manny's stock has gone way down since Marquez schooled him. So why exactly should Manny get to change up what they have already agreed on?
There are 6 clear questions that can be addressed. I'm sure they won't be.
Lol, ok.
1) I never said the 10 million was dumb. It was a childish reaction to the drug demand based on PBF not making weight against Juan.
2) PBF walked away cause of the GBP and Mayweather clan calling him a cheater. So he sued them and so far GBP settled and apologized.
3) In the first negotiation PBF ducked Manny by setting in motion shit that would cause the fight to blow up.
4) PBF what request have been made? The only one was to split the money.
5) So what Manny's last two fight have been at the MGM. Neither was as big as this fight. The more people in the crowd the better.
6) It isn't that a date favors on fighter over the other. It has to do with one fighter dictating before you even sit down at the table and tell you that you are fighting on this date and where. Without any input by you or your team.
7) Ok, so Manny said in interviews he would take less. But that was before the negotiation started. PBF said he wanted to fight Manny before they started negotiating. However once they spoke they both switched up. Manny wants half and to fight whenever. PBF doesn't want to split it 50/50 and now doesn't want the fight.
8) Dude chill on the Juan fight. Let me see. PBF looks great cause he fought a headcase boxer that quit for the second time in the ring. And Manny drops because he had another tough fight against a hall of famer that he has yet lose to. Seriously. If people think Manny isn't good after seeing him struggle against Juan for the third time. Then they have issues with Manny.
I hope it isn't. Because these guys need to settle it in the ring.
He said he would check the sources, because when he got up in the morning it was updated, he didnt think the so called email is credible
Talking about the email, http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11599.html?PHPSESSID=80e025b1c4711555983fd1b6fcf0fa05
They really need to do the fight in Dallas. That place looks awesome and those two could fill up that 50k plus seats!
Manny made the 10 mill request first and then the drug test request was made later. Just to be on the up and up here is proof...
http://www.mb.com.ph/node/232991/penaltie
December 11 Roach says drug testing is on the table... He also says that it is no problem.
Actually, Floyd Sr. basically called him a cheater in Sept of 2009 and the fight was cancelled in December of 2009, because Manny would not accept the test, this is of course, days after Koncz, Manny's Manager said it would not be a problem. I guess it take three months to get insulted, but you will still negotiate and only break off the fight to sue when you don't get your way.
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/09/video_floyd_mayweather_sr_accu.html
http://www.aolnews.com/2009/12/13/pacquiao-would-welcome-random-drug-test/
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/12/promoter_bob_arum_mayweather-p.html
Yep, because Floyd can't make request on the same level as Manny and Floyd can read minds to know what trivial request will be fought against... this sarcasm.
I am not sure what you mean by this...
Floyd has made 3 request from what I've seen... Drug testing, May 5th 2012, MGM.
Manny has made the 10 million request and was given the right to decide everything else if he did the drug testing while a 50/50 had already been decided, then he demanded compromise on the drug testing the first go around. Now he wants to change the venue and date when Floyd doesn't have any options on that shit. He also wants more money after he said he would take less.
If there was nothing wrong with the MGM the last couple of times, why would it be worth fighting over and not just fighting there since Floyd has nowiggle room...
He put the date out there 2-3 months before he was sentenced which was plenty of time to negotiate the terms. Team Pac was talking about Marquez 4 and not returning calls from GBP to sit down.
They were already in talks at that time. Why would Manny say he was trying to make the fight by taking less if they weren't...
Juan made it look like Manny has no chance to beat Floyd and thus Manny's stock has dropped.
Mayweather Confirms No 50-50: 'Pacquiao Wants More?'
Article Link - http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=48794#ixzz1k9ce50OE
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In very few words, Floyd Mayweather Jr. confirmed a recent report on ESPN Sportcenter, which quoted the unbeaten boxer as rejecting a 50-50 revenue split on a potential fight with Manny Pacquiao. Earlier this week, Mayweather spoke directly to Pacquiao over the phone. During that conversation, Pacquiao advised Mayweather that he wanted a 50-50 split - in response to Mayweather's demand for a fight on May 5th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
"He asked about a 50/50 split and I told him, `No, that can't happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your career,"' Mayweather was quoted by Sportscenter.
There were questions as to whether or not the email was valid, but on Saturday afternoon Mayweather posted the following message on his personal Twitter account.
"A month ago, Pacquiao said he would take a cut to fight me. Now that I called him out, he wants a big piece?," Mayweather wrote.
Mayweather posted a link to a story on Bleacher Report, which sources Michael Marley of The Examiner, who sources the Manila Bulletin, with Pacquiao stating the following.
"I will take less money than Mayweather gets because the important thing is making the fight happen," Pacquiao was quoted as saying by the paper in 2011.
The ongoing debate, between fans and both sides, is whether there should be a 50-50 split to get this fight done, or does one fighter deserve more money above the other. The two fighters are the biggest draws in the sport, and the biggest sellers on pay-per-view, with both sides claiming to be the bigger draw.
Very few in the industry were expecting Mayweather-Pacquiao to push forward on May 5th. Top Rank wants to explore the possibility of staging the fight in November, but over two years of failed negotiations would tell us otherwise. Until the contracts are signed by both boxers, nobody is going to hold their breath on Mayweather-Pacquiao coming off in 2012.
As many expected, both boxers will go in separate directions.
Mayweather is going to fight on May 5th regardless, with Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez being mentioned as the frontrunner opponent. Pacquiao is going to return on June 9th at either the MGM Grand or the Thomas & Mack Center, likely in a rematch with Puerto Rican star Miguel Cotto.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=48794
Article Link - http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=48794#ixzz1k9ce50OE
This is a legal waiver. By copying and using the material from this article, you agree to give full credit to BoxingScene.com or provide a link to the original article.
In very few words, Floyd Mayweather Jr. confirmed a recent report on ESPN Sportcenter, which quoted the unbeaten boxer as rejecting a 50-50 revenue split on a potential fight with Manny Pacquiao. Earlier this week, Mayweather spoke directly to Pacquiao over the phone. During that conversation, Pacquiao advised Mayweather that he wanted a 50-50 split - in response to Mayweather's demand for a fight on May 5th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
"He asked about a 50/50 split and I told him, `No, that can't happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your career,"' Mayweather was quoted by Sportscenter.
There were questions as to whether or not the email was valid, but on Saturday afternoon Mayweather posted the following message on his personal Twitter account.
"A month ago, Pacquiao said he would take a cut to fight me. Now that I called him out, he wants a big piece?," Mayweather wrote.
Mayweather posted a link to a story on Bleacher Report, which sources Michael Marley of The Examiner, who sources the Manila Bulletin, with Pacquiao stating the following.
"I will take less money than Mayweather gets because the important thing is making the fight happen," Pacquiao was quoted as saying by the paper in 2011.
The ongoing debate, between fans and both sides, is whether there should be a 50-50 split to get this fight done, or does one fighter deserve more money above the other. The two fighters are the biggest draws in the sport, and the biggest sellers on pay-per-view, with both sides claiming to be the bigger draw.
Very few in the industry were expecting Mayweather-Pacquiao to push forward on May 5th. Top Rank wants to explore the possibility of staging the fight in November, but over two years of failed negotiations would tell us otherwise. Until the contracts are signed by both boxers, nobody is going to hold their breath on Mayweather-Pacquiao coming off in 2012.
As many expected, both boxers will go in separate directions.
Mayweather is going to fight on May 5th regardless, with Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez being mentioned as the frontrunner opponent. Pacquiao is going to return on June 9th at either the MGM Grand or the Thomas & Mack Center, likely in a rematch with Puerto Rican star Miguel Cotto.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=48794
Manny made the 10 mill request first and then the drug test request was made later. Just to be on the up and up here is proof...
http://www.mb.com.ph/node/232991/penaltie
December 11 Roach says drug testing is on the table... He also says that it is no problem.
Actually, Floyd Sr. basically called him a cheater in Sept of 2009 and the fight was cancelled in December of 2009, because Manny would not accept the test, this is of course, days after Koncz, Manny's Manager said it would not be a problem. I guess it take three months to get insulted, but you will still negotiate and only break off the fight to sue when you don't get your way.
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/09/video_floyd_mayweather_sr_accu.html
http://www.aolnews.com/2009/12/13/pacquiao-would-welcome-random-drug-test/
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/12/promoter_bob_arum_mayweather-p.html
Yep, because Floyd can't make request on the same level as Manny and Floyd can read minds to know what trivial request will be fought against... this sarcasm.
I am not sure what you mean by this...
Floyd has made 3 request from what I've seen... Drug testing, May 5th 2012, MGM.
Manny has made the 10 million request and was given the right to decide everything else if he did the drug testing while a 50/50 had already been decided, then he demanded compromise on the drug testing the first go around. Now he wants to change the venue and date when Floyd doesn't have any options on that shit. He also wants more money after he said he would take less.
If there was nothing wrong with the MGM the last couple of times, why would it be worth fighting over and not just fighting there since Floyd has nowiggle room...
He put the date out there 2-3 months before he was sentenced which was plenty of time to negotiate the terms. Team Pac was talking about Marquez 4 and not returning calls from GBP to sit down.
They were already in talks at that time. Why would Manny say he was trying to make the fight by taking less if they weren't...
Juan made it look like Manny has no chance to beat Floyd and thus Manny's stock has dropped.
lol, ok.
That nigga don't want to fight.
You gotta laugh at the whole make more money fighting him than he's made in his career. Floyd ain't going to fight anyone REMOTELY challenging. Niggas need to face the fuckin' FACTS about that. Manny? He'll fight someone with a pulse. Floyd's BEST BEATDOWN was against a midget (Hatton) and a nigga with his hands at his side. 
These paq faggot should just 4get it already!!
Manny made the 10 mill request first and then the drug test request was made later. Just to be on the up and up here is proof...
http://www.mb.com.ph/node/232991/penaltie
December 11 Roach says drug testing is on the table... He also says that it is no problem.
Actually, Floyd Sr. basically called him a cheater in Sept of 2009 and the fight was cancelled in December of 2009, because Manny would not accept the test, this is of course, days after Koncz, Manny's Manager said it would not be a problem. I guess it take three months to get insulted, but you will still negotiate and only break off the fight to sue when you don't get your way.
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/09/video_floyd_mayweather_sr_accu.html
http://www.aolnews.com/2009/12/13/pacquiao-would-welcome-random-drug-test/
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/12/promoter_bob_arum_mayweather-p.html
Yep, because Floyd can't make request on the same level as Manny and Floyd can read minds to know what trivial request will be fought against... this sarcasm.
I am not sure what you mean by this...
Floyd has made 3 request from what I've seen... Drug testing, May 5th 2012, MGM.
Manny has made the 10 million request and was given the right to decide everything else if he did the drug testing while a 50/50 had already been decided, then he demanded compromise on the drug testing the first go around. Now he wants to change the venue and date when Floyd doesn't have any options on that shit. He also wants more money after he said he would take less.
If there was nothing wrong with the MGM the last couple of times, why would it be worth fighting over and not just fighting there since Floyd has nowiggle room...
He put the date out there 2-3 months before he was sentenced which was plenty of time to negotiate the terms. Team Pac was talking about Marquez 4 and not returning calls from GBP to sit down.
They were already in talks at that time. Why would Manny say he was trying to make the fight by taking less if they weren't...
Juan made it look like Manny has no chance to beat Floyd and thus Manny's stock has dropped.
Man these dudes who constantly come into these threads who hate Floyd already have their mind made up. They're gonna believe what they want to believe regardless.
I know you rather repeat the same bullshit than deal with facts. This is why I repeatly clown you because it's all illogical arguments and ignoring reality. There is no way it can be real so you have to be a troll.
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