Mayweather refuses Manny's demand for a 50/50 split. Fight is in serious trouble.

[greenz]

This is where I differ with the average fans this days. You don't sit back and let your competitors fight each other and then use the loses as an excuse why you don't fight them. You beat them and claim victory.

Its tough decision though do you let #'s 2-3 duke it out before they fight you ..... of course thats the most logical thing to do even if #3 is better than #2. I believe Mayweather should have fought Williams but Williams hadn't proved himself yet. Patience was key here.

Its a tough call when your the king of the jungle do you let you underlings do all the heavy lifting then come in at the end to get the spoils? Once in a while the king has to go out and get it in to let other know's he still the top dog or you will get tested. The joys of being a king you get to make those decisions regardless what others think. If Williams would have waited he would got the crown Respectfully instead he went to another side of town got his ass whopped then came limpin back and wanted back in the fold.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Yes you might want to avoid it i had to lay it into a couple of folks in there.

I will disagree with you on one thing i think when Williams was hot thats around the same time Mayweather just came back off retirement. Williams made the jump too soon and got whopped so his money earning potential dropped significantly so did his draw. Mayweather could have took the fight and Paul williams was doing his thing for a hot second but I don't think he was in Mayweather league as far as being the biggest draw he was still uncut and rough around the edges. It would have been a damn good fight but Williams still had alot to prove and getting knocked out when he moved up wasn't the smartest move.

Instead of Mayweather making a risky move he played it smart and worked it to his advantage.

I do agree with that as far as Williams and Mayweather are concerned. Paul was the hot dude after beating Margarito but no one, not Cotto or Mosley or Mayweather, was trying to fight him then. He fucked up and lost to Quintana but scored a 1st rd ko in the rematch and because still nobody at 147 would fight him, fucked around and scored another 1st rd ko on jr middleweight journeyman Andy Kolle, which meant any hopes of him getting a top fight at 147 and now 154 was over. That's why he had to fight Winky Wright and Sergio Martinez (the first time) because no big names would fight him.
He hadn't earned a Mayweather level fight (HBO didn't carry either of his 1st rd ko victories) but he definitely should have gotten Cotto or Mosley in the ring.

He has seen a lot of fights, but smart is too strong.

I agree about the lack of tough fights for him since Manny. But that is what these guys do. I would say Cotto's last tough fight was against Manny. Manny's last tough fight was Antonio (size) or Cotto (level he was fighting at). PBF's last tough fight was Oscar. At a certain point it becomes about how much reward they can get with the least amount of risk. That hurts boxing more than anything. Kirkland and Anguelo were fighting to get to a point where they don't have to take tough fights anymore. That is what is wrong with the game. At least to me. When you celebrate an easy win in the sport. Something is very wrong.

You lose me when you think Margarito could be considered a tough fight for Pacquiao just because he's tall. If that fight had happened before he was revealed as a cheat and Shane hadn't beat the fuck out of him, I would agree but it didn't.
Same with Cotto. If that fight had happened before Margarito cheated him (my opinion but an educated opinion) and made him damaged goods and if it hadn't happened months after another tough fight with Josh Clottey AND if it wasn't at a catchweight, it could be considered a tough fight.
I see Mayweather's last tough fight as Shane Mosley. Mosley was coming off the Margarito beating and his previous welterweight fight was a tight one with a pre-Margarito Cotto.

But the argument you are making is what I have made about PBF in almost every division. Since we have established that certain fighters don't have to challenge theselves and just make money. Cotto remains the best in his division.

Mayweather in every division fights the top champion or the hottest guy, whether it was Castillo and Corrales in the lighter weights or Judah, Baldomir, and later Mosley and Ortiz at welterweight. Cotto hasn't done that but once, against Yuri Foreman. He's the "best" in his division because his ducking Sergio has forced Martinez to go to middleweight and the rest of the crowd is fighting each other while he picks soft touches.

This is where I differ with the average fans this days. You don't sit back and let your competitors fight each other and then use the loses as an excuse why you don't fight them. You beat them and claim victory.

Yes, you do. You let number 2 fight number 3 and you fight the winner. What is gained from fighting the winner and then fighting the loser unless he later wins a significant fight?

Its tough decision though do you let #'s 2-3 duke it out before they fight you ..... of course thats the most logical thing to do even if #3 is better than #2. I believe Mayweather should have fought Williams but Williams hadn't proved himself yet. Patience was key here.

Its a tough call when your the king of the jungle do you let you underlings do all the heavy lifting then come in at the end to get the spoils? Once in a while the king has to go out and get it in to let other know's he still the top dog or you will get tested. The joys of being a king you get to make those decisions regardless what others think. If Williams would have waited he would got the crown Respectfully instead he went to another side of town got his ass whopped then came limpin back and wanted back in the fold.

I don't think Williams was ever going to get the crown at 147 because no one was going to fight him, ever unless they were on their last legs (he can probably get that Mosley fight now) but at this point, he might be on his last legs.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

None of them had peaked at that point and none of them called him out.

Lol, ok.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Lol, ok.

Still avoiding...

 

[greenz]

I do agree with that as far as Williams and Mayweather are concerned. Paul was the hot dude after beating Margarito but no one, not Cotto or Mosley or Mayweather, was trying to fight him then. He fucked up and lost to Quintana but scored a 1st rd ko in the rematch and because still nobody at 147 would fight him, fucked around and scored another 1st rd ko on jr middleweight journeyman Andy Kolle, which meant any hopes of him getting a top fight at 147 and now 154 was over. That's why he had to fight Winky Wright and Sergio Martinez (the first time) because no big names would fight him.
He hadn't earned a Mayweather level fight (HBO didn't carry either of his 1st rd ko victories) but he definitely should have gotten Cotto or Mosley in the ring.








You lose me when you think Margarito could be considered a tough fight for Pacquiao just because he's tall. If that fight had happened before he was revealed as a cheat and Shane hadn't beat the fuck out of him, I would agree but it didn't.
Same with Cotto. If that fight had happened before Margarito cheated him (my opinion but an educated opinion) and made him damaged goods and if it hadn't happened months after another tough fight with Josh Clottey AND if it wasn't at a catchweight, it could be considered a tough fight.
I see Mayweather's last tough fight as Shane Mosley. Mosley was coming off the Margarito beating and his previous welterweight fight was a tight one with a pre-Margarito Cotto.



Mayweather in every division fights the top champion or the hottest guy, whether it was Castillo and Corrales in the lighter weights or Judah, Baldomir, and later Mosley and Ortiz at welterweight. Cotto hasn't done that but once, against Yuri Foreman. He's the "best" in his division because his ducking Sergio has forced Martinez to go to middleweight and the rest of the crowd is fighting each other while he picks soft touches.




Yes, you do. You let number 2 fight number 3 and you fight the winner. What is gained from fighting the winner and then fighting the loser unless he later wins a significant fight?




I don't think Williams was ever going to get the crown at 147 because no one was going to fight him, ever unless they were on their last legs (he can probably get that Mosley fight now) but at this point, he might be on his last legs.

Here's one thing i will admit about my boxing educmacation . I'm not really well versed in the different weights classes and shit. Yes i do know the classes but what people fought at when is a whole different level of knowledge for me. But i do know boxing. Everyone was ducking Paul at the moment and if he would have waited at 147 he had the best chance to snatch the crown from PBF but it would have been tough. If i remember Paul was keepin his hands really really low and looking for that KO that shit wasn't going to work with PBF he would have had to catch him slippin real bad which i doubt PBF would have let him. I saw both PW fight against Quintana but missed the Andy Kolle?!@# fight.

PBF best fight recently was against Shane but Shane only got 2-3 rounds the rest was fucking lopsided and didn't warrant a rematch. It shocked me how Shane looked so good against PBF but wack against Pacman. Didn't he have a different trainer? I think Shane could whoop pacman ass now or atleast around the time he fought Mayweather.

Cotto on the other hand just had a bad hand dealt. If he wouldn't have took that L from Margarito he would be way better off than he is now. It should have been him and Paul with the winner facing PBF. The only thing would be who would PBF fight during that time not really alot of opponents then besides those two. I won't get started on Pacman and his rematches out of his last 10 fights Shane and Marquez were his only real opponents. Margarito threw so much salt in the game its worthless to even bring him up.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Here's one thing i will admit about my boxing educmacation . I'm not really well versed in the different weights classes and shit. Yes i do know the classes but what people fought at when is a whole different level of knowledge for me. But i do know boxing. Everyone was ducking Paul at the moment and if he would have waited at 147 he had the best chance to snatch the crown from PBF but it would have been tough. If i remember Paul was keepin his hands really really low and looking for that KO that shit wasn't going to work with PBF he would have had to catch him slippin real bad which i doubt PBF would have let him. I saw both PW fight against Quintana but missed the Andy Kolle?!@# fight.

I had to catch the Quintana ko on YouTube, weeks later.
I thought Williams had the best chance against Mayweather because of his reach and output but when I saw Quintana countering him in the first fight, I had to change my mind. If Quintana dazzled him, Floyd will make him look foolish. But he wouldn't have had those same issues with Mosley or Cotto or Pacquiao and none of them wanted to fight him. So if he stayed at 147, he wouldn't have had any fights at all.

PBF best fight recently was against Shane but Shane only got 2-3 rounds the rest was fucking lopsided and didn't warrant a rematch. It shocked me how Shane looked so good against PBF but wack against Pacman. Didn't he have a different trainer? I think Shane could whoop pacman ass now or atleast around the time he fought Mayweather.

Nope. He had Naazim Richardson both times. He was just done after the Mayweather fight. He was probably done before but Margarito was the perfect type of fighter for him while he still had some gas in the tank. Floyd not going down in the 2nd round looked to take all of his will and he wasn't the same after that while Floyd went to up another level.
Pac and Arum and everybody involved should have been ashamed for making that fight since he lost so badly to Floyd and then had an embarassing draw with Mora right after. It's even worse since when Shane was looking to fight Manny before Floyd, they wanted no parts. They would like people to forget that and most do but some of us remember him ducking Shane.

Cotto on the other hand just had a bad hand dealt. If he wouldn't have took that L from Margarito he would be way better off than he is now. It should have been him and Paul with the winner facing PBF. The only thing would be who would PBF fight during that time not really alot of opponents then besides those two. I won't get started on Pacman and his rematches out of his last 10 fights Shane and Marquez were his only real opponents. Margarito threw so much salt in the game its worthless to even bring him up.

I agree that Cotto got a bad hand. That Margarito shit seems to have taken his competitive drive. He used to want to be the best but now he picks fights like he's cashing out and is looking at retirement.

 

[1dcsailor]

FIGHTHYPE \\ 50/50? WHY ARE PACQUIAOS PURSES A FRACTION OF WHAT MAYWEATHER GETS?

January 26, 2012

50/50? WHY ARE PACQUIAO'S PURSES A FRACTION OF WHAT MAYWEATHER GETS?
By Ben Thompson | January 26, 2012

Recently, John Chavez of TheBoxingTruth.com contacted the Nevada State Athletic Commission to acquire the reported purse amounts of both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. According to the official documents, which are public record and have been verified by Executive Director Keith Kizer, the numbers are alarmingly lopsided. It appears that over the past 6 years, the combined total of Pacquiao's purses are a mere fraction of what Mayweather has earned over the same time period and in almost half the number of fights. Check out how the numbers compare!

MANNY PACQUIAO [click here to see the scanned image of the document]

11/12/11 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $6,000,000 *
05/07/11 - vs. Shane Mosley - $6,000,000
11/14/09 - vs. Miguel Cotto - $7,400,000
05/02/09 - vs. Ricky Hatton - $7,400,000
12/06/08 - vs. Oscar De La Hoya - $6,600,000
06/28/08 - vs. David Diaz - $3,000,000
03/15/08 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $3,000,000
10/06/07 - vs. Marco Antonio Barrera - $2,000,000
11/18/06 - vs. Erik Morales - $3,000,000
01/21/06 - vs. Erik Morales - $2,000.000
------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL = $46,400,000

* Not shown on the NSAC documents, but confirmed by Dan Rafael of ESPN.com

FLOYD MAYWEATHER [click here to see the scanned image of the document]

09/17/11 - vs. Victor Ortiz - $25,000,000
05/01/10 - vs. Shane Mosley - $22,500,000
09/19/09 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $10,000,000
12/08/07 - vs. Ricky Hatton - $11,000,000
05/05/07 - vs. Oscar De La Hoya - $10,000,000
11/04/06 - vs. Carlos Baldomir - $8,000,001
04/08/06 - vs. Zab Judah - $5,000,000
------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL = $91,500,001

It should be noted that in 2010, Pacquiao had two fights [vs. Joshua Clottey and vs. Antonio Margarito] outside of NSAC's jurisdiction, therefore those numbers are not included in the totals. That being said, one can assume that his purse for each bout was probably no greater than the $7.4 million he averaged in 2009 and no less than the $6 million he averaged in 2011. According to those figures, Manny Pacquiao's officially reported purses have been, on average, roughly half of what Floyd Mayweather has been getting. Although the documents do not disclose revenue also generated from pay-per-view upside, it's extremely doubtful that Pacquiao is getting significantly more than Mayweather in that department, especially considering that they both do similar numbers and in Pacquiao's case, Top Rank retains 27.5%. While I personally believe the subject of a 50/50 split is irrelevant, mainly because Bob Arum was never interested in staging the fight on May 5 to begin with, given those numbers, it's understandable why Mayweather might allegedly inform Pacquiao that a $40 million guarantee would be significantly more money than he's been currently making. Regardless, one can't help but wonder exactly why Pacquiao's purse amounts being reported to the Nevada State Athletic Commission are significantly lower than Mayweather's purses. Perhaps VisionQwest Resources Group, the accounting company that Pacquiao originally hired because he "believed that his fight promoter was not paying him his fair share", was on to something before they were mysteriously fired.

 

[greenz]

I had to catch the Quintana ko on YouTube, weeks later.
I thought Williams had the best chance against Mayweather because of his reach and output but when I saw Quintana countering him in the first fight, I had to change my mind. If Quintana dazzled him, Floyd will make him look foolish. But he wouldn't have had those same issues with Mosley or Cotto or Pacquiao and none of them wanted to fight him. So if he stayed at 147, he wouldn't have had any fights at all.



Nope. He had Naazim Richardson both times. He was just done after the Mayweather fight. He was probably done before but Margarito was the perfect type of fighter for him while he still had some gas in the tank. Floyd not going down in the 2nd round looked to take all of his will and he wasn't the same after that while Floyd went to up another level.
Pac and Arum and everybody involved should have been ashamed for making that fight since he lost so badly to Floyd and then had an embarassing draw with Mora right after. It's even worse since when Shane was looking to fight Manny before Floyd, they wanted no parts. They would like people to forget that and most do but some of us remember him ducking Shane.



I agree that Cotto got a bad hand. That Margarito shit seems to have taken his competitive drive. He used to want to be the best but now he picks fights like he's cashing out and is looking at retirement.

I totally forgot about Arum ducking Mosley the first time.

FIGHTHYPE \\ 50/50? WHY ARE PACQUIAOS PURSES A FRACTION OF WHAT MAYWEATHER GETS?

January 26, 2012

50/50? WHY ARE PACQUIAO'S PURSES A FRACTION OF WHAT MAYWEATHER GETS?
By Ben Thompson | January 26, 2012

Recently, John Chavez of TheBoxingTruth.com contacted the Nevada State Athletic Commission to acquire the reported purse amounts of both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. According to the official documents, which are public record and have been verified by Executive Director Keith Kizer, the numbers are alarmingly lopsided. It appears that over the past 6 years, the combined total of Pacquiao's purses are a mere fraction of what Mayweather has earned over the same time period and in almost half the number of fights. Check out how the numbers compare!

MANNY PACQUIAO [click here to see the scanned image of the document]

11/12/11 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $6,000,000 *
05/07/11 - vs. Shane Mosley - $6,000,000
11/14/09 - vs. Miguel Cotto - $7,400,000
05/02/09 - vs. Ricky Hatton - $7,400,000
12/06/08 - vs. Oscar De La Hoya - $6,600,000
06/28/08 - vs. David Diaz - $3,000,000
03/15/08 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $3,000,000
10/06/07 - vs. Marco Antonio Barrera - $2,000,000
11/18/06 - vs. Erik Morales - $3,000,000
01/21/06 - vs. Erik Morales - $2,000.000
------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL = $46,400,000

* Not shown on the NSAC documents, but confirmed by Dan Rafael of ESPN.com

FLOYD MAYWEATHER [click here to see the scanned image of the document]

09/17/11 - vs. Victor Ortiz - $25,000,000
05/01/10 - vs. Shane Mosley - $22,500,000
09/19/09 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $10,000,000
12/08/07 - vs. Ricky Hatton - $11,000,000
05/05/07 - vs. Oscar De La Hoya - $10,000,000
11/04/06 - vs. Carlos Baldomir - $8,000,001
04/08/06 - vs. Zab Judah - $5,000,000
------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL = $91,500,001

It should be noted that in 2010, Pacquiao had two fights [vs. Joshua Clottey and vs. Antonio Margarito] outside of NSAC's jurisdiction, therefore those numbers are not included in the totals. That being said, one can assume that his purse for each bout was probably no greater than the $7.4 million he averaged in 2009 and no less than the $6 million he averaged in 2011. According to those figures, Manny Pacquiao's officially reported purses have been, on average, roughly half of what Floyd Mayweather has been getting. Although the documents do not disclose revenue also generated from pay-per-view upside, it's extremely doubtful that Pacquiao is getting significantly more than Mayweather in that department, especially considering that they both do similar numbers and in Pacquiao's case, Top Rank retains 27.5%. While I personally believe the subject of a 50/50 split is irrelevant, mainly because Bob Arum was never interested in staging the fight on May 5 to begin with, given those numbers, it's understandable why Mayweather might allegedly inform Pacquiao that a $40 million guarantee would be significantly more money than he's been currently making. Regardless, one can't help but wonder exactly why Pacquiao's purse amounts being reported to the Nevada State Athletic Commission are significantly lower than Mayweather's purses. Perhaps VisionQwest Resources Group, the accounting company that Pacquiao originally hired because he "believed that his fight promoter was not paying him his fair share", was on to something before they were mysteriously fired.

Mysteriously fired ...... to all the heads arguing a 50/50 spilt check those numbers out then give me a call. Pacman don't got a leg to stand on. Its amazes me how Top Rank is take 27.5 thats fucking insane. Can somebody please explain to me what these promoters are doing to warrant half of ppv buys?

I just posted in the other thread about the PPV buys everyone knows Mayweather has the top 3 highest grossing PPV fights in boxing history so there no question there. Manny better take that 41/59 spilt and call it a day.

 

[1dcsailor]

I totally forgot about Arum ducking Mosley the first time.




Mysteriously fired ...... to all the heads arguing a 50/50 spilt check those numbers out then give me a call. Pacman don't got a leg to stand on. Its amazes me how Top Rank is take 27.5 thats fucking insane. Can somebody please explain to me what these promoters are doing to warrant half of ppv buys?

I just posted in the other thread about the PPV buys everyone knows Mayweather has the top 3 highest grossing PPV fights in boxing history so there no question there. Manny better take that 41/59 spilt and call it a day.

It sad how bad Pacman is getting ripped off.

Bro I been telling some of the idiots in here why Manny don't deserve 50/50 and they keep getting butthurt. Floyd has generated more, so he deserves more, period. Manny publicly said he'll take less. That's not arguable.

I want Floyd to take the 50/50 split to make the fight but I understand why if he doesn't take it.

 

[2211]

FIGHTHYPE \\ 50/50? WHY ARE PACQUIAOS PURSES A FRACTION OF WHAT MAYWEATHER GETS?

January 26, 2012

50/50? WHY ARE PACQUIAO'S PURSES A FRACTION OF WHAT MAYWEATHER GETS?
By Ben Thompson | January 26, 2012

Recently, John Chavez of TheBoxingTruth.com contacted the Nevada State Athletic Commission to acquire the reported purse amounts of both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. According to the official documents, which are public record and have been verified by Executive Director Keith Kizer, the numbers are alarmingly lopsided. It appears that over the past 6 years, the combined total of Pacquiao's purses are a mere fraction of what Mayweather has earned over the same time period and in almost half the number of fights. Check out how the numbers compare!

MANNY PACQUIAO [click here to see the scanned image of the document]

11/12/11 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $6,000,000 *
05/07/11 - vs. Shane Mosley - $6,000,000
11/14/09 - vs. Miguel Cotto - $7,400,000
05/02/09 - vs. Ricky Hatton - $7,400,000
12/06/08 - vs. Oscar De La Hoya - $6,600,000
06/28/08 - vs. David Diaz - $3,000,000
03/15/08 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $3,000,000
10/06/07 - vs. Marco Antonio Barrera - $2,000,000
11/18/06 - vs. Erik Morales - $3,000,000
01/21/06 - vs. Erik Morales - $2,000.000
------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL = $46,400,000

* Not shown on the NSAC documents, but confirmed by Dan Rafael of ESPN.com

FLOYD MAYWEATHER [click here to see the scanned image of the document]

09/17/11 - vs. Victor Ortiz - $25,000,000
05/01/10 - vs. Shane Mosley - $22,500,000
09/19/09 - vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - $10,000,000
12/08/07 - vs. Ricky Hatton - $11,000,000
05/05/07 - vs. Oscar De La Hoya - $10,000,000
11/04/06 - vs. Carlos Baldomir - $8,000,001
04/08/06 - vs. Zab Judah - $5,000,000
------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL = $91,500,001

It should be noted that in 2010, Pacquiao had two fights [vs. Joshua Clottey and vs. Antonio Margarito] outside of NSAC's jurisdiction, therefore those numbers are not included in the totals. That being said, one can assume that his purse for each bout was probably no greater than the $7.4 million he averaged in 2009 and no less than the $6 million he averaged in 2011. According to those figures, Manny Pacquiao's officially reported purses have been, on average, roughly half of what Floyd Mayweather has been getting. Although the documents do not disclose revenue also generated from pay-per-view upside, it's extremely doubtful that Pacquiao is getting significantly more than Mayweather in that department, especially considering that they both do similar numbers and in Pacquiao's case, Top Rank retains 27.5%. While I personally believe the subject of a 50/50 split is irrelevant, mainly because Bob Arum was never interested in staging the fight on May 5 to begin with, given those numbers, it's understandable why Mayweather might allegedly inform Pacquiao that a $40 million guarantee would be significantly more money than he's been currently making. Regardless, one can't help but wonder exactly why Pacquiao's purse amounts being reported to the Nevada State Athletic Commission are significantly lower than Mayweather's purses. Perhaps VisionQwest Resources Group, the accounting company that Pacquiao originally hired because he "believed that his fight promoter was not paying him his fair share", was on to something before they were mysteriously fired.

Wow, those numbers are nasty, not wonder freddie roach keeping saying that manny will be broke as soon as he's done with boxing. Both arum and freddie are milking him pretty good, and now seeing this numbers, in my opinion there is not way that manny will fight floyd in may. Bob is not willing to let that kind of bread fly by.

 

[gman2k4]

Wow, those numbers are nasty, not wonder freddie roach keeping saying that manny will be broke as soon as he's done with boxing. Both arum and freddie are milking him pretty good, and now seeing this numbers, in my opinion there is not way that manny will fight floyd in may. Bob is not willing to let that kind of bread fly by.

Freddie
Arum
Arum
Arum

 

[greenz]

Freddie
Arum
Arum
Arum

I agree i don't see how freddie is milking him its more ARUM

 

[1dcsailor]

Wow, those numbers are nasty, not wonder freddie roach keeping saying that manny will be broke as soon as he's done with boxing. Both arum and freddie are milking him pretty good, and now seeing this numbers, in my opinion there is not way that manny will fight floyd in may. Bob is not willing to let that kind of bread fly by.

Exactly!! Bob aint letting that in house Money slip by. When it's in house he can pay the other fighter some low ball number, under pay Pacquiao and then pocket the rest.

He can't do that if Manny fights Floyd.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Arum Wants November Finalized For Mayweather-Pacquiao
Posted by: Ronnie Nathanielsz on 1/26/2012 .

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum concedes “lets forget the May date” for a possible fight between “Fighter of the Decade” Manny Pacquiao and undefeated Floyd Mayweather. But he’s working on a November mega-buck fight instead.

In a telephone conversation with BoxingScene.com/Manila Standard, Arum said “what we are trying to accomplish assuming he (Mayweather) is going to fight in May and Manny is going to fight in June, is that we are pressing to see if we can get a contract signed between the two fighters for November.”

The astute promoter noted “that way the people will be assured that the fight is going to happen and there won’t be any of this nonsense which we can put behind us so we can do a huge, huge promotion.”

Arum said his problem is that he doesn’t know whom he has to deal with on the Mayweather side but that he’s “trying to get this thing sorted out." He said the trouble is "one day its this guy, the next day its that guy so I don’t know” in the wake of reports that the Mayweather people were having internal differences and “fighting with each other.”

He commended Pacquiao adviser Michael Koncz who, in Arum’s words, “went to the end to try and make this (fight) happen and so did I. This is nonsense.”

Koncz had met with diferrent people following his conversations with Mayweather by telephone, but in the end it didn't pan out at least for May.

Arum said that when it looked like some progress was being made Mayweather threw everybody off by saying he wanted a 70-30 or 60-40 split at least, "after all sides had agreed to a 50-50 split. ”

With time running out Arum disclosed that Koncz would be returning to the Philippines over the weekend after having spoken to Pacquiao about the most recent developments one of which is that a rematch against Miguel Cotto also appears to be out.

Arum said Cotto, in a meeting a couple of days ago at the Top Rank office said he can’t make the welterweight limit of 147 and Pacquiao won’t move up because he’ll be giving away too much weight. He said Koncz “will talk with Manny and we’ll finalize everything and we all have in mind who the opponent will be” which points to the only name left on the four names initially submitted to Pacquiao, WBO light welterweight champion, undefeated Timothy Bradley.

Bradley is fine with trainer Freddie Roach and presumably with Arum since he handles the fighter but Koncz has expressed reservations because of Bradley's head-first style which may re-open a nasty cut on Pacquiao's eyebrow which needed 23 stitches after the Marquez fight.

With Pacquiao making it clear he doesn’t want a fourth fight with Marquez and a lack of interest among fans and Lamont Peterson ordered by the WBA to give Amir Khan a rematch following his controversy-riddled win to grab Khan’s title, only Bradley remains on the list.

http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-wants-november-finalized-mayweather-pacquiao--48950

They are full of shit. I'm starting to think the whole I'll take less and then switching up as a calculated move on Arum's and Pac's part.

But read the last paragraph... I called it last year that they would duck Marquez again and fight Bradley.

 

[1dcsailor]

 

[greenz]

So i was looking in another post and found this very interesting article regarding Pacman and his Money issues. This sheds tons of light on Arum shady ways. He purposely trying to put the fight off because he knows it will be Pacman last pay day. I read half the article and found these nice exceprts

Once VisionQwest got involved, the company quickly realized that Manny Paquiao had no true knowledge of his financial worth, missing a number of key documents, including "bout contracts, bank statements, bout proceed distributions, endorsement contracts, promoter contracts, co-promoter contracts, and property ownership records" to name a few. At that point, the company began their investigation, agreeing not to request any fees upfront due to the fact that Pacquiao and Koncz informed them that there was a lack of funds and they would be unable to pay until they received either tax refunds or advances for future bouts.

Evidently, they became even more concerned when they discovered "ridiculous amounts of money" being paid to Michael Koncz and, according to the press release, discovered that he was working on behalf of Top Rank, as well as Pacquiao.

Pacquiao evidently became upset and informed VisionQwest that he would take the issue up with Top Rank and Michael Koncz, however, he did not want to take any legal actions prior to receiving an advance from Top Rank Promotions for his November 12 bout with Juan Manuel Marquez.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content10813.html

They over there playing Manny for a fucking fool. "Here Manny we have 8 million for you" ,"lets sit back and take this over 70 million" , "Here use these accountants". Advancing money to Pacman that he already owns. What a fucking fool watch in 5 years after he quits boxing he going to be broke.

Now all of a sudden they complaining about they can't find no one to talk to in Mayweathers camp. Fuck outta here Mayweather gave him his demands and they have to agree .... wtf else is there to talk about. All types of shady shit going on between Koncz and Arum and its not like Pacman has any intellectuals in his group.

 

[HeathCliff]

They are full of shit. I'm starting to think the whole I'll take less and then switching up as a calculated move on Arum's and Pac's part.

But read the last paragraph... I called it last year that they would duck Marquez again and fight Bradley.

 

[Zeferino]

Come on... He has been calling Cotto out for awhile without a peep out of Cotto. Who at 140 has Pac been calling out? You analogy would make sense if Pac spent his time at welter saying he would move back to 140 for a top guy, called out Bradley for awhile and could only get fights at 160.

Like I've said, even if we play the game of excluding Marquez, there is still guys who have been making names for themselves at 154 and other champions thay he has stayed away from.

You just have issues admitting when you're wrong. You said Martinez is the #1 junior middleweight and he is not. Martinez hasn't been there for 3 years. Whether Pac calls anyone out or not doesn't mean he's the top guy at 140 if he doesn't fight in that division and hasn't been there for years. There's no logical way you can say Sergio Martinez is the number 1 junior middleweight in the world when he doesn't even fight in that division yet you'll go to extremes to defend your statement like it's a fact. Do you have some kind of BGOL forum credibility that you're trying to protect? Is all this shit that serious to you? Whatever.

 

[actinanass]

Arum is wrong for that shit.

 

[Zeferino]

I totally forgot about Arum ducking Mosley the first time.




Mysteriously fired ...... to all the heads arguing a 50/50 spilt check those numbers out then give me a call. Pacman don't got a leg to stand on. Its amazes me how Top Rank is take 27.5 thats fucking insane. Can somebody please explain to me what these promoters are doing to warrant half of ppv buys?

I just posted in the other thread about the PPV buys everyone knows Mayweather has the top 3 highest grossing PPV fights in boxing history so there no question there. Manny better take that 41/59 spilt and call it a day.

So Mayweather can argue, "You don't deserve 50% because you're promoter is fucking you over."? I don't see how that would have to do with the issue of parity with Mayweather.

The issue here is marketability, accomplishment, and whether Pacquiao deserves 50% of the earnings from a fight with Mayweather. You guys are mixing that with the probability that Arum is fucking Pacquiao in his chinese little ass. Unless there's something we're not seeing, something like Pacquiao may be getting a higher than usual percentage of the PPV, Pac's purses seem very low. I'm sure there is additional information to that purse information that would put things more into perspective. It could even be a play on the IRS so that Pacquiao could collect most of his money outside of the U.S albeit under a different category and not get taxed.

Anyway, worst case scenario Pac is getting fucked by his promoter. It still has nothing to do with whether he should get 50% or not against a Mayweather. That's like saying Oscar de la Hoya didn't deserve 60% over some opponent because it was later determined that his promoter was cheating him out of some money.