naw man... with their styles it will be a good fight... defensive counters punchers against aggressive offensive fighters always make for good fights.... there will both fireworks and tactical interludes
Mayweather refuses Manny's demand for a 50/50 split. Fight is in serious trouble.
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naw man... with their styles it will be a good fight... defensive counters punchers against aggressive offensive fighters always make for good fights.... there will both fireworks and tactical interludes
Hey, the whole thing is funny. You got to have a sense of humor about the whole thing.
PBF has the style to beat Manny. Unless Manny can hurt PBF I don't see how he wins. The only reason I am on the fence is because PBF won't fight him. If PBF was sure he would be him. The fight would be made.
However, Mayweather provided details of his conversation with Pacquiao in an email to ESPN anchor Stan Verrett.
"I called him and asked him about us fighting May 5 and giving the World what they want to see," Mayweather's email read. "I also let him know we both can make a lot of money. He ask about a 50/50 split and I told him no that can't happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me then you have made in your career. I also let him know I'm in control on my side but he needs to get on the same page with his promoter so we can make this fight happen."
The message continued: "I told him to tell his promoter that he only wants to fight Mayweather and that this fight will be the biggest fight in history. His manger came to my boxing gym a few months ago and we spoke about getting the defamation of character lawsuit dropped against me and about both fighters taking the random blood and urine test. I spoke to his manager again last night about the same thing. The call last night lasted 15 or 20 minutes. I mainly spoke to his manager he got on and off the phone real quick."
"I called him and asked him about us fighting May 5 and giving the World what they want to see," Mayweather's email read. "I also let him know we both can make a lot of money. He ask about a 50/50 split and I told him no that can't happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me then you have made in your career. I also let him know I'm in control on my side but he needs to get on the same page with his promoter so we can make this fight happen."
The message continued: "I told him to tell his promoter that he only wants to fight Mayweather and that this fight will be the biggest fight in history. His manger came to my boxing gym a few months ago and we spoke about getting the defamation of character lawsuit dropped against me and about both fighters taking the random blood and urine test. I spoke to his manager again last night about the same thing. The call last night lasted 15 or 20 minutes. I mainly spoke to his manager he got on and off the phone real quick."
It could be defamation lawsuit not being dropped why PBF said no.
Exactly, based on styles alone I would think Mayweather has more options in the ring than Pacquiao. However, how can you believe in a guy that doesn't believe in himself? It's like Mayweather needs to see weakness in Pacquiao before he can pull the trigger and make the fight happen. He's only seem hellbent on making the fight after Pac looked weak against Marquez. But now he's putting the money roadblock too. If Pac agrees to a lesser percentage I wonder what Mayweather will say next. Pac shouldn't agree to a lesser percentage. 50/50 is the most reasonable given the status of both fighters.
man...this shit is fucking Absurd man... i cant think of a more ridiculous sitation in all of sports history... the biggest fight in boxing history...everyone will make more money than they have even remotely made in another fight... both muthafuckas barking all day about wanting the fight....the entire world wants the fight and there is either a fight over 1 percent, a muthafucka going to jail, one going into politics, cant meat on a date, issues over PEDs and test... every damn issue you can imagine has come to table on this fight
So wait.... to understand all this information correctly. Team Pac came up with excuse after excuse not to have the fight. After the bad PR, he said he would take less money just to make the fight. Then when the PR is at it's worst after Arum on went his tour of weird excuses... he demands the 50/50 split again, and some how this falls on Mayweather's lap to you guys when he says get your side straighten out to have the fight and I'll go with the better deal on the money. Did I miss something... Did Arum drop all of the stadium and we can't fight on May 5th shit... 
Shouldn't he have just stayed with the 50/50 split from the beginning.
I don't care what it takes to make the fight, but if there is one valid reason I've heard recently its to KEEP the deal for more money that you have PROMISED me.
Shouldn't he have just stayed with the 50/50 split from the beginning. I don't care what it takes to make the fight, but if there is one valid reason I've heard recently its to KEEP the deal for more money that you have PROMISED me.
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I really want to see the logic of those who support Floyd, in terms of his stance on the 50/50 split 
Please, someone qualify this for me... Since all I've been hearing is all of Manny's demands have been agreed to and HE is the one holding up the fight... Make it plain for me Dudes... 
Please, someone qualify this for me... Since all I've been hearing is all of Manny's demands have been agreed to and HE is the one holding up the fight... Make it plain for me Dudes... 
Man fuck that fight. Like I said before they gonna end up fighting when there waaaaaayyyyy past there prime and nobody gives a fuck watch.
I really want to see the logic of those who support Floyd, in terms of his stance on the 50/50 split
Just did. I would like for him to back down if it would make the fight. I just don't see Team Pac making any attempt to make the fight.
I don't have a horse in this race...I just want to see the damn fight. This shit is getting more & more dumb. They're the greatest talents Boxing has to offer right now, just take the damn 50/50. Shit, just drop the ego for just one second so this fight can happen.
I feel you... I don't believe Manny wants this fight, but I also don't believe Floyd wants it as bad as yall make it seem either, or the 50/50 thing wouldn't have been a deal breaker at this point. The past is the past, fuck revisiting it, lets make the deal now... But ultimately, if this fight happens, it's gonna be mad anti-climatic, and the threads the day after will be hilarious from Jokers who are pissed!!! I am looking more forward to seeing the next James Kirkland Fight, the next Sergio Martinez fight, etc. than this shit right here...
I feel you... I don't believe Manny wants this fight, but I also don't believe Floyd wants it as bad as yall make it seem either, or the 50/50 thing wouldn't have been a deal breaker at this point. The past is the past, fuck revisiting it, lets make the deal now... But ultimately, if this fight happens, it's gonna be mad anti-climatic, and the threads the day after will be hilarious from Jokers who are pissed!!! I am looking more forward to seeing the next James Kirkland Fight, the next Sergio Martinez fight, etc. than this shit right here...
I don't think Floyd is losing sleep over the fight not happening, but of the two he seem to be the only one interested. I mean shit he tracked Pac down to try and get some where with making the fight. The the 50/50 thing isn't the only thing holding up the fight, if it was I would agree that Floyd is full of shit for killing the fight over that. Pac has no control over his promoter or is willfully letting his promoter do everything the sabotage the fight. I would hope if all this lame shit about stadiums and moving the date ended, that a deal can be reach with the money to make the fight.
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I also believe him 'tracking down' Manny is public postering as well. Everything he does, he has to tweet it, facebook it, etc. so I'm not overly impressed with the phone calls, etc. Also, it's funny how he always throws out someone making more money than they've ever made, etc., but he stands to possibly make more than he ever has as well.... Ultimately, this whole thing is a joke, I don't by anything that comes out of either camp 100% really...
Ok, Mayweather, you talked that shit, and I was on your side. So why not just take the money *which would still be a lot of cash*, and beat the old Pacman? This is that bitch shit I can't stand about Mayweather.
I'll take that extra 5 all day every day fuck giving it to the white man aka Arum
I don't doubt you know a little about boxing but all your comments make me believe your a PACMAN fanboy.
This is a good argument probably the best i've seen in Pacman defense and you make some good points. The only issue i see is pacman said he would take less money and if he's so confident in winning he will generate x2 the money on his on future fight. PBF has was more to lose in terms of monetary value but he's also undefeated while 50/50 will make fans happy its not good business.
fam i've got a Floyd and Pacman stash i've been building it up since i first heard about the fight back in 2009. Vegas is gonna be CRAZY that weekend i've be at the fight and hit the craps at the MGM after. More seats = more money regardless
Rounding error my ass shit 20,000-30,000 (seats) x 200-600 seats. = 18 mill that just seats not counting all the other shit 18 mil isn't chump change you milk that shit for as much as you can
The rabbit hole runs deep my friend .....
PBF is gonna whoop pacman ass cuz pacman trains for specific things by his training and there never going to figure out PBF. PBF greatest advantage is his wit. By not watchin opponents tapes he learns on the fly the first 3-5 founds. Then its like he flips a switch after the 5 and starts being way more agressive loosing up his D because he's so quick and pick his spots. I don't like pacman because all the does is punch in flurries that shit was evident in his last fight.
Fuck Arum bitch-ass niggas don't need promoters no mo Twitter took that shit over wtf is Arum bringin' to the table.
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How can you make the first post and then the second one. Floyd and his team are saying that extra seating is bullshit as they will just charge more per ticket at the MGM Grand and people will gladly pay it. The extra millions based on seating is Arum arguing and the reality of the matter is that difference will be nomimal as people will just pay the extra amount for the limited seating for a rare event based on limited demand. People most likely arent going to pay thousands to be in nosebleed bleachers seats at a stadium for a boxing match.
You are arguing for both sides at the same time and dont realize it.
plus Floyd cant make the extra millions IF he doesnt get the fight with Pacman and they have already clearly shown they are willing to make other fights..
This is the whole problem, as well as what makes any post about Mayweather and Manny pointless and a waste of fucking time.... Both sides need to stop all the fucking talking and jockeying and sign for the damn fight and fight...
That's bullshit right there. I guarantee you that if this fight happened in Arlington, Texas, you will have Cowboys stadium filled up to the brim. Hell, I might go to the fight..
Jerry Jones had the best way of making the fight the biggest money maker in Boxing history. Put it on REGULAR tv. You have this fight on Fox, with the commercials alone, will boost this shit. Super bowl type numbers. Too bad people don't think outside the box.
I also believe him 'tracking down' Manny is public postering as well. Everything he does, he has to tweet it, facebook it, etc. so I'm not overly impressed with the phone calls, etc. Also, it's funny how he always throws out someone making more money than they've ever made, etc., but he stands to possibly make more than he ever has as well.... Ultimately, this whole thing is a joke, I don't by anything that comes out of either camp 100% really...
They have been getting beat up in the media, because they didn't play the game like Team Pac. You had Roach, Arum, and everyone else in Team Pac controlling the message for years and now Mayweather is playing the game too.
How do you shoot down a crew who makes an excuse a day... eliminate all of there excuse publicly. One of Arum's most recent excuses was 'I don't know if the guys at Golden Boy are even apart of this deal and representing Mayweather so I don't return their calls. Mayweather knows my number if he wants to talk' or something like that. Mayweather came out with a statement telling Arum to call his manager or Golden Boy and when that didn't happen... Floyd called Pac.
Yes... it was a stunt, but it was in reaction to a stunt that was more shit to hold up the fight... just to corner them even further. Again I doubt the money would be that big of a deal if it was the last piece of the puzzle because a 50/50 deal was agreed to before until Pac decided he would take less money... With that said, Arum has so many bullshit obstacles to the fight that I can't place blame at Floyd's feet... yet.
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Like I said before. PBF has been apart of the bull shit from day 1. When all he had to do was wait a day to start talking to manny but chose a warm up fight with juan instead. And has had nothing but series of warm up fights for manny since then. Not to mention after the fight with juan when there was no excuse he blows it up with the stupid drug test shit. Fast forward to this bullshit. PBF picks a time and place for a fight with a guy he is calling out. Actually calls the guy and then says to the guy he claims he wants to fight that 50/50 won't work. I am not saying it is his fault. But I stand behind a few things. It is everyone's fault for the bullshit. It is pbf's fault because he clearly doesn't want the fight. And it is manny's fought for not making it clear it is PBF or bust.
okay He fought JMM because Roach and Arum said they weren't interested in the fight at first, because Manny would have to move up in weight.
They drug test request came after the 10 million dollar per lbs over 147 request from Manny which originally held up the negotiations. Which is more unreasonable... I go with the 10 mill, but Mayweather agreed to it.
There would be no money issue if Manny didn't say he would take less. I mean what the fuck you offer more cash to guy who calls himself 'Money' and then don't understand why he wants to hold on to that deal...
It would be different if Floyd started off the talks about money on his own with something unreasonable like 75/25.I just don't understand how fighting for promised money is unreasonable, but forcing a stadium and moving the date is reasonable.
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Again, how much of his own money is each boxer putting up for this fight? Mayweather is putting up a guaranteed amount, how much is Manny putting up? Or is Arum putting up his guaranteed amount??
V Buk is cool with me, but how can you misspell the same word three times in one paragraph!!! I couldn't take shit else he typed seriously after reading that shit
Also, the media didn't have agg with the Mayweather crew because of how the negotiation with Manny were handled, it had a problem with them because they went out of their way to represent themselves as assholes, went overboard with that shit, and couldn't recover from the backlash....
Arum on Pacquiao's Opponent, Mayweather's 50-50 Stance
By Michael Marley
According to promoter Bob Arum, Manny Pacquiao's next opponent will be announced "sometime next week" and the Pinoy Idol's next bout will occur on June 9. Top Rank is looking at either the Thomas & Mack Arena or, more likely, "the nice people" at the MGM Grand, to host the bout which will match Manny with either Miguel Cotto, Lamont Peterson, Juan Manuel Marquez or Tim Bradley. Arum feels the only fight that merits the outdoor stadium is the mega-fight between Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Although Uncle Bob didn't say it, I will. The leading candidate is Cotto, who would be getting a rematch after previously having been stopped in the twelfth and final round by the Filipino superstar.
Mayweather let the world know he's spoken on the phone to Pacquiao and his agent, Michael Koncz. "Money" also keeps banging the drum about Arum being the block to the Floyd-Manny Super Fight.
Arum says this is balderdash.
"I'm not stopping any fight. This is all for public relations, it's nonsense," an exasperated sounding Arum said late Friday afternoon from Las Vegas.
"Arum's blocking the fight and so on, it's just rididculous. What's going on is not rational. The whole thing about them fighting in May (Mayweather wants May 5, Arum chose May 26) is moot now. It's moot because it's all been BS. Look at what Mayweather's lawyer is saying, it's all doubletalk. If the right people approached the judge (Hon. Melissa Saragosa) I think the judge would push Mayweather's sentence back another 30 days. But they don't want that.
"This is not the normal way you put together a big fight. The normal way would would be for us to sit down somewhere. Mayweather said he won't agree to a 50-50 split with Manny. Now that's something blocking the fight, something we won't agree to.
"We could sit down and get everything in place, including the outdoor stadium (bleachers) which will have a bubble over it. But we (he and TR president Todd duBoef) have never heard from either (Al) Haymon or (Leonard) Ellerbe," Arum said. "We would also need to explore the best date and the outdoor stadium. I could get all that done but not like this."
Arum charged that Mayweather's conduct is not helping matters.
"On their side, they are all puppets for Mayweather. Mayweather is his own manager, his own promoter...like I said, it is ridiculous nonsense."
If the 50-50 split argument and other hurdles could be overcome to make a November Floyd-Manny bout now, Arum said it would benefit everyone involved.
"It would benefit their interim fights, if Mayweather fought on May 5 and Manny on June 9, because everyone would know their next fight would be against each other come November."
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-on-pacquiaos-opponent-mayweathers-50-50-stance--48762
Arum has his mind made up.
By Michael Marley
According to promoter Bob Arum, Manny Pacquiao's next opponent will be announced "sometime next week" and the Pinoy Idol's next bout will occur on June 9. Top Rank is looking at either the Thomas & Mack Arena or, more likely, "the nice people" at the MGM Grand, to host the bout which will match Manny with either Miguel Cotto, Lamont Peterson, Juan Manuel Marquez or Tim Bradley. Arum feels the only fight that merits the outdoor stadium is the mega-fight between Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Although Uncle Bob didn't say it, I will. The leading candidate is Cotto, who would be getting a rematch after previously having been stopped in the twelfth and final round by the Filipino superstar.
Mayweather let the world know he's spoken on the phone to Pacquiao and his agent, Michael Koncz. "Money" also keeps banging the drum about Arum being the block to the Floyd-Manny Super Fight.
Arum says this is balderdash.
"I'm not stopping any fight. This is all for public relations, it's nonsense," an exasperated sounding Arum said late Friday afternoon from Las Vegas.
"Arum's blocking the fight and so on, it's just rididculous. What's going on is not rational. The whole thing about them fighting in May (Mayweather wants May 5, Arum chose May 26) is moot now. It's moot because it's all been BS. Look at what Mayweather's lawyer is saying, it's all doubletalk. If the right people approached the judge (Hon. Melissa Saragosa) I think the judge would push Mayweather's sentence back another 30 days. But they don't want that.
"This is not the normal way you put together a big fight. The normal way would would be for us to sit down somewhere. Mayweather said he won't agree to a 50-50 split with Manny. Now that's something blocking the fight, something we won't agree to.
"We could sit down and get everything in place, including the outdoor stadium (bleachers) which will have a bubble over it. But we (he and TR president Todd duBoef) have never heard from either (Al) Haymon or (Leonard) Ellerbe," Arum said. "We would also need to explore the best date and the outdoor stadium. I could get all that done but not like this."
Arum charged that Mayweather's conduct is not helping matters.
"On their side, they are all puppets for Mayweather. Mayweather is his own manager, his own promoter...like I said, it is ridiculous nonsense."
If the 50-50 split argument and other hurdles could be overcome to make a November Floyd-Manny bout now, Arum said it would benefit everyone involved.
"It would benefit their interim fights, if Mayweather fought on May 5 and Manny on June 9, because everyone would know their next fight would be against each other come November."
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-on-pacquiaos-opponent-mayweathers-50-50-stance--48762
Arum has his mind made up.
V Buk is cool with me, but how can you misspell the same word three times in one paragraph!!! I couldn't take shit else he typed seriously after reading that shit
Also, the media didn't have agg with the Mayweather crew because of how the negotiation with Manny were handled, it had a problem with them because they went out of their way to represent themselves as assholes, went overboard with that shit, and couldn't recover from the backlash....
V Buk is cool with me, but how can you misspell the same word three times in one paragraph!!! I couldn't take shit else he typed seriously after reading that shit
Also, the media didn't have agg with the Mayweather crew because of how the negotiation with Manny were handled, it had a problem with them because they went out of their way to represent themselves as assholes, went overboard with that shit, and couldn't recover from the backlash....
My bad. Iphone and a lack of EVER proof reading will get you all the time.
I'm not outright giving Arum more money cuz i'm obviously making more as well if there are more seats and i have a higher spilt . I don't care where they fight i would just hope it would be the bigger arena cuz i can get cheaper tickets. If it would extend past the june 1st deadline fuck the arena.
V Buk is cool with me, but how can you misspell the same word three times in one paragraph!!! I couldn't take shit else he typed seriously after reading that shit
Also, the media didn't have agg with the Mayweather crew because of how the negotiation with Manny were handled, it had a problem with them because they went out of their way to represent themselves as assholes, went overboard with that shit, and couldn't recover from the backlash....
I don't understand how you can take buk seriously when he ignores a lot of bullshit just to take jabs at one side.
As far as the Mayweather clan and their foolishness, you are right in that it has made a lot of people push logic aside just to go on the attack. What I'm talking about though is that Mayweather has never been this vocal while Arum make at least a statement everyday. So what usually is discussed is what Arum is saying thus shaping the message.
LOL, you crack me up. You love yapping about me. Creepy.
take the got damn split
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