Mayweather refuses Manny's demand for a 50/50 split. Fight is in serious trouble.

[Ming Fei Hong]

Why are you cats talking about numbers from their last fights, as though Mayweather didn't generate practically ALL of the buzz for that fight, single-handedly? How many buys has an Ortiz fight generated without Mayweather. Pac only generated a small margin more buys fighting Marquez in a storied historic rivalry series. When Mayweather does 1.25 million fighting Mexican beach bum and Pac only does 1.4 million fighting a Mexican future hall of famer, HOW does that add up to Pac being an equal draw? And don't compare career buys.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Oscar De La Hoya 38-4-0
Carlos Gerena 34-2-0
Juan Manuel Marquez 50-4-1
Diego Corrales
Carlos Rios 44-2-1
Jose Luis Castillo 46-5-1
Arturo Gatti 39-6-0
Zab Judah 34-3-0
Shane Mosley 46-5-0
Sharmba Mitchell 56-4-0
DeMarcus Corley 28-2-1

try that with someone else. There are so manny holes in that I can't stop laughing. And you lost credibility when you mention Zab and Chop Chop. Each fight has a story. The only credible fight was Oscar and that was after it was shown he lost a step. And even with losing a step PBF could put him away.

But the point isn't about PBF's resume. We have discussed that enough. The point of the thread is PBF running away from a 50/50 split with Manny.

 

[TimRock]

lol, they have not fought the same people. They fought some of the same at different weights and periods of their opponents career. Dude read the link on my siggy. PBF is great. But their is a lot of smoke and mirrors. Which is why fans want this fight. Cause they want to see him fight a pound for pound fighter while they are at the top of their game.

agreed. too bad Pac is not at the top of his game right now, judging from his last fight, which is why Floyd is so (at least appearing to be) anxious to make this fight happen.

 

[Oracle21]

Mayweather and Calzaghe are one of the same.

 

[Spectrum]

agreed. too bad Pac is not at the top of his game right now, judging from his last fight, which is why Floyd is so (at least appearing to be) anxious to make this fight happen.

Pacman looked no different than he has looked. He has always looked like that against Marquez and he didnt look good in his fight before that.

Pacman struggles against defensive counterpunchers.

Floyd is not getting anxious because NOW he thinks he can beat Pacman...he is getting anxious because he realizes that the fight will go down the tube if Pacman loses..... he lost the Marquez fight in the opinion (of even most professional boxers) and if he fights another defensive-minded counterpuncher with speed, there is still that chance that Pacman might lose...

 

[Spectrum]

Mayweather and Calzaghe are one of the same.

You should probably never speak in a boxing thread again. As much as ive criticized Floyd, that type of comparison is absurd.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

agreed. too bad Pac is not at the top of his game right now, judging from his last fight, which is why Floyd is so (at least appearing to be) anxious to make this fight happen.

have you seen the Juan and Manny fight before? So Ali isn't the Greatest cause he had troubles against Norton. Come on dude. Styles make fights. But I still trying to figure out why PBF is trying to back out this fight now.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Pacman looked no different than he has looked. He has always looked like that against Marquez and he didnt look good in his fight before that.

Pacman struggles against defensive counterpunchers.

Floyd is not getting anxious because NOW he thinks he can beat Pacman...he is getting anxious because he realizes that the fight will go down the tube if Pacman loses..... he lost the Marquez fight in the opinion (of even most professional boxers) and if he fights another defensive-minded counterpuncher with speed, there is still that chance that Pacman might lose...

I agree. But why is he trying to ruin it by not agreeing to a 50/50 split?

 

[ballscout1]

Obviously you didn't read the article, Paqman had MORE buys than Mayweather last go around.

i did read it and that was only the last fight.

The rubber match agaisnt a fighter many thought beat hime twice already gave him good sales.

Money May a few less sales fighting a nobody.

but they were very specific in he had more sales only in that last fight


Bet he won't crack a million for rematch number 4

 

[(0_0)..l.. finger]

try that with someone else. There are so manny holes in that I can't stop laughing. And you lost credibility when you mention Zab and Chop Chop. Each fight has a story. The only credible fight was Oscar and that was after it was shown he lost a step. And even with losing a step PBF could put him away.

But the point isn't about PBF's resume. We have discussed that enough. The point of the thread is PBF running away from a 50/50 split with Manny.

Explain the holes? Floyd still generate more money from fights overall? So why should he split 50/50 with bob arum because that is what this is really about on the business side.

 

[stickyfingerz]

floyd is bitch ass ...... he dnt want it... he know he gonna get fucked up!!!!!!!!!

 

[Spectrum]

I agree. But why is he trying to ruin it by not agreeing to a 50/50 split?

I responded to this already when I quoted you on page 1.

Combination of greed-ego-foresight.

I hope it is just a negotiating tactic because regardless of him selling substantially more than Pacman, he needs to take the split given.

1. he is boxed in to the May 5th date because of his legal situation
2. he risked not getting the fight at all if pacman loses and matched with a defensive-counterpuncher, it is at least very possible.

Floyd needs to bite the bullet and take the fight. His greed is going to get the best of him.... sometimes you gotta give a bit more than you would like to in order to get more back than you would otherwise.

he and his team may think otherwise, but given the circumstances a 50-50 split is warranted or at most a symbolic (51-49) split in Floyds favor but the problem is that Arum for various reasons wont go for it because of their history

So floyd just needs to make the fucking deal and be done with it

I mean.. at the end of the day....he is going to make 100 million instead of 105 million... I know it is still 5 million dollars..but you cant count what you dont have..... he will need to fight TWO more times to replace this fight revenue...and that doesnt even include the opportunity cost of rematches if it ends up being a good fight...

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Agreed, but that's arguable. Floyd and Pac have fought the same people, Floyd has beat them and Pac has lost to some of them. So how is it these fighters aren't the best when people mention Floyd fighting them, yet they are perfectly good fighters when Pac fights them?

I've never understood that...

Pac has lost to some of them?!?

While Mayweather beat them, Pacquiao has DESTROYED them!

vs De La Hoya Mayweather got a split decision, Pacquiao got an 8th round TKO (remember DLH stopped fighting due to a body blow)

vs Ricky Hatton Mayweather 10th round TKO, Pacquiao 2nd round KO

vs Shane Mosley BOTH had unanimous decisions

vs Juan Manuel Marquez Mayweather won a unanimous decion, Pacquiao had a draw, a split decision and a majority decision

The argument has been the other way around, that they were good fighters when Floyd beat them, and Manny later destroyed the same ones after Floyd basically showed him how!

Manny has never lost to anyone Floyd beat.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I think the wave of resentment is going to switch back to PBF if he backs out cause of the money.

 

[HeathCliff]

I responded to this already when I quoted you on page 1.

Combination of greed-ego-foresight.

I hope it is just a negotiating tactic because regardless of him selling substantially more than Pacman, he needs to take the split given.

1. he is boxed in to the May 5th date because of his legal situation
2. he risked not getting the fight at all if pacman loses and matched with a defensive-counterpuncher, it is at least very possible.

Floyd needs to bite the bullet and take the fight. His greed is going to get the best of him.... sometimes you gotta give a bit more than you would like to in order to get more back than you would otherwise.

he and his team may think otherwise, but given the circumstances a 50-50 split is warranted or at most a symbolic (51-49) split in Floyds favor but the problem is that Arum for various reasons wont go for it because of their history

So floyd just needs to make the fucking deal and be done with it

I mean.. at the end of the day....he is going to make 100 million instead of 105 million... I know it is still 5 million dollars..but you cant count what you dont have..... he will need to fight TWO more times to replace this fight revenue...and that doesnt even include the opportunity cost of rematches if it ends up being a good fight...

Yeah man I emphatically agree. If it comes down to just the 50/50 split, Floyd should just take the deal and STFU. He been bickering about the drug testing, that's all that mattered up until Pacman agreed. They should just fight for the even split. Floyd is going to pocket more than him anyway. I don't see what the big deal is. Ego maybe.

 

[bigdicdaddy]

Fuck that PBf should agree to what ever split and what ever rule-he swears he can kick PAC ass than fight already we all know PAC is the greatest of all time-Ali and Tyson are lucky they aren't boxing anymore- That how some of y'all sound I'm not even gonna call y'all dick riders- fucking idiots maybe but hey that my opinion - which like yours don't mean shit-

 

[Spectrum]

Yeah man I emphatically agree. If it comes down to just the 50/50 split, Floyd should just take the deal and STFU. He been bickering about the drug testing, that's all that mattered up until Pacman agreed. They should just fight for the even split. Floyd is going to pocket more than him anyway. I don't see what the big deal is. Ego maybe.

Exactly man. Dude is about to lose all the goodwill he gained if he starts bickering over an extra point or two on the split IF all other terms are agreed upon at this point...especially if the fight would happen on May 5th like he wants and he can get it on before he goes to jail

at this point he should want to bury Pacman in the ring more than the extra couple of million dollars.

 

[RoadRage]

These two should get in a ring and fight,
and who ever wins should be able to set the terms for the fight..​

 

[^SpiderMan^]

Floyd should take that 50-50. Sure he is a bigger draw and most people are going to watch the fight to see HIM lose than PAC win.Sure it will be the most money Pac has ever gotten.But it will also be the most Mayweather has gotten too.I think there will be more Paquiao fan than Mayweather fans buying this PPV.Additionally, this win will put Mayweather in position to be known as the GOAT with far fewer objections.If this fight doesn't happen or happens after Pac loses,people will always point to it as him ducking.He should just go ahead whoop his ass,wait for Pac's excuse for it,then offer a rematch at ridiculous terms.

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

If youre a true boxing fan you wouldnt even waste your time worrying about this BS. You would also consider it disrespectful to the sport of Boxing. The sport of Boxing has been dead a long time ago. and one of the reason why its dead is because of niggas like Manny and Floyd.

How long has this back and forth shit been going on? and it hant just been Manny with the BS...its been Floyd as well.


Id watch the match if they boxed..but I wont be paying to watch it. imho at this point I really dont care if they fight or dont fight. this shit kinda reminds me of the Detox album. All that hype and delay..and at the end the finished product wont even be worth the wait.

 

[1dcsailor]

Should this even be an issue?

Pacman went on record saying that he'll take the lesser share to make the fight.

Not only that, Floyd has generated waaaaaay more money over his career than Pacman.

Look for Arum to blame the fight not happening on Floyd even though he knows that Manny truly doesn't deserve the 50/50 split.

 

[HeathCliff]

Id watch the match if they boxed..but I wont be paying to watch it. imho at this point I really dont care if they fight or dont fight. this shit kinda reminds me of the Detox album. All that hype and delay..and at the end the finished product wont even be worth the wait.

Nice

 

[doggish_098]

i would have loved to listen to the actual phone call between floyd and manny fuck all this back and forth in the media let me hear what the two are actually talking about.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Should this even be an issue?

Pacman went on record saying that he'll take the lesser share to make the fight.

Not only that, Floyd has generated waaaaaay more money over his career than Pacman.

Look for Arum to blame the fight not happening on Floyd even though he knows that Manny truly doesn't deserve the 50/50 split.

LOL, Manny doesn't deserve 50/50. Okay. I honestly think PBF called him out in the hopes of not being able to make the fight. I think he knows he is going to have to settle on 50/50 since there was no real negotiation on any aspect of the fight. PBF city, his place, his rules, and whatever craziness he can come up with. Oh yeah a mandatory date. Dude has no choice but to split it 50/50 now. What else does PBF want? Does he want to pick Manny's trainer too.

 

[sharkbait28]

Boxing is a joke

 

[TheyCallMeBe]

Sounds like both sides are a bit bitch made to me. UFC wins yet again.

 

[34real]

Undefeated champions should never agree to the terms of someone who wants to be one.

I think,it will go on & on until the fight never happens.

 

[(0_0)..l.. finger]

Undefeated champions should never agree to the terms of someone who wants to be one.

I think,it will go on & on until the fight never happens.

That doesn't matter to people anymore...sadly

 

[1dcsailor]

LOL, Manny doesn't deserve 50/50. Okay. I honestly think PBF called him out in the hopes of not being able to make the fight. I think he knows he is going to have to settle on 50/50 since there was no real negotiation on any aspect of the fight. PBF city, his place, his rules, and whatever craziness he can come up with. Oh yeah a mandatory date. Dude has no choice but to split it 50/50 now. What else does PBF want? Does he want to pick Manny's trainer too.

As a boxing fan I want Money to take the 50/50 split for the sake of boxing because this fight has been dragging on way to long. As a businessman you have to understand that May is undefeated, he has generated more money over his career, and Pacman has went on record saying he'll take less money. Based off those variables, as a businessman I would NOT take a 50/50 split.

It looks like the fight may be dead but I'm going to remain optimistic because Mayweather's assistant is implying that they are negotiating with this tweet so maybe there is a chance the fight can happen if negotiations are successful.

Also I noticed that email that said Mayweather demanded a 50/50 split was fake. If you read Mayweather's assistant timeline he says that it was bs. I'm assuming it's Arum stirring up drama, again

 

[HeathCliff]

this tweet

Nice

 

[Spectrum]

As a boxing fan I want Money to take the 50/50 split for the sake of boxing because this fight has been dragging on way to long. As a businessman you have to understand that May is undefeated, he has generated more money over his career, and Pacman has went on record saying he'll take less money. Based off those variables, as a businessman I would NOT take a 50/50 split.

That is one reason why I understand the ideology but there is a thing called opportunity cost. if Arum puts Pacma in there with the wrong opponent, Pacman is going to lose and Floyd is going to lose much more than he would have gained over fighting with Arum over an extra point or two on the split.

So it could make good business sense IF he can still get the deal done but the problem is that he IS dependent on Pacman just as much as pacman is dependent on him for this superfight.

 

[Spectrum]

It looks like the fight may be dead but I'm going to remain optimistic because Mayweather's assistant is implying that they are negotiating with this tweet so maybe there is a chance the fight can happen if negotiations are successful.

tweet is gone now.

 

[HeathCliff]

tweet is gone now.

He was stating (and I'm paraphrasing here) that he had the actual splits of what the fight was going to be and plans on posting them but won't due to negotiations are still ongoing. A little attentionwhoreing on his behalf if he's going to announce something to that magnitude and wouldn't disclose the details but good in the sense that there's some indication that both sides are talking.

 

[conspiracy Bro]

of course he would. this is mayweather. what peopel dont know is that pacquiao has had great ppv numbers recently. this should be an even split and lets get it on. or have a stipulation that the winner gets 60 or 55%.

Man I hope the split doesn't mess this up

 

[Spectrum]

He was stating (and I'm paraphrasing here) that he had the actual splits of what the fight was going to be and plans on posting them but won't due to negotiations are still ongoing.