Mario Van Peebles Speaks on Spike & Tyler perry Beef

[quietly freaky]

I agree with what mario says, but he is in the minority on this. Unfortunately blacks in the United States love and cater to bullshit. There are so many roots which you can trace this too, not to knock those who play sports or rap, but that is the common goal. White America says billy and Cindy should be doctors or Lawyers. Black America says the complete opposite, aspire to be a fool or a gangster, if not try a "black" sport or aim to be a Mainstream rapper.

Its like you have a tree with apples which are healthy and sweet, or you have a store with candy. Which do you think blacks will go to. A movie named Krews kinda hit the mark on some shit. Dude said He doesn't hate blacks because of race, he hates blacks cause they are stupid. The muthafucker even broke it down so the cali dude could understand it. As long as we think small and cater to bullshit that will be the main focus of our race for decades to come. Look at the big picture and aspire to gain that. Yeah its hard when you get use to something that works to meet your means. But its not gonna hurt to try to exceed your means either

You make sense in you post, but as a producer (mid - senior level) in television, I can tell you that there is a concerted effort to only show a certain type of image of black people.
The problem I see (in agreement with you) is that once our people are told about that problem and how to address it, we don't but instead we turn on the one who has the shine. If there were letters and emails flooding the heads of production at every major TV or Film studio, this would change over night... but instead, we support the denigrating movies about us in record numbers proving their theories that blacks only want to see a certain type of movie.
Tyler Perry built his own success and because he got the numbers ... he got the spot. More of us need to do the same thing.

 

[Varis]

I thought the exterminator2 was one of the coolest movies ever..... on beta
mario was a bad guy in this flick , he did a good job

 

[unknownsoldier]

Martin gets a pass
Perry gets the blame

Martin built his fame off being a comedian, his sole claim to fame isn't crossdressing. By your logic, shouldn't Eddie get some blame? Every black man that's played the role of a woman?? TP's entire empire is built around madea, huge difference.

 

[geechiedan]

You make sense in you post, but as a producer (mid - senior level) in television, I can tell you that there is a concerted effort to only show a certain type of image of black people.
The problem I see (in agreement with you) is that once our people are told about that problem and how to address it, we don't but instead we turn on the one who has the shine. If there were letters and emails flooding the heads of production at every major TV or Film studio, this would change over night... but instead, we support the denigrating movies about us in record numbers proving their theories that blacks only want to see a certain type of movie.
Tyler Perry built his own success and because he got the numbers ... he got the spot. More of us need to do the same thing.

but it can't be about attacking the bad shows... you work in television..how many chances are they going to take with an unknown product especially an unknown that supposed to appeal to a fraction of the population?

Some italians HATE Jersey Shore...Italy refused to let them in their country. But they bring in the numbers and MTV is doing SPINOFFS of that shit. They don't care about negative backlash as long as the numbers stay up.

Take The Game for instance...CW cancelled it but it had a vocal fanbase..when BET picked it up and debuted the new season more people than they thought tuned in. Thats because black people and people in general said thats what their FOR..then showed up to support it.

 

[geechiedan]

Martin built his fame off being a comedian, his sole claim to fame isn't crossdressing. By your logic, shouldn't Eddie get some blame? Every black man that's played the role of a woman?? TP's entire empire is built around madea, huge difference.

and why should that matter? what difference does it make..people are complaining about seeing black men crossdress period. and again medea doesn't show up in everything perry does..why are you acting like its like that?

 

[Complex]

I agree with mostly everything he said

The only thing is I feel you can start holding Tyler Perry accountable. He's on like his tenth movie. He just hasn't just put out one or two movies and it's a coincidence.

 

[Ceenote]

I agree 100% with Pebbles. Enough Tyler Perry bullshit. We need smarter comedies than this formula Perry has come up with.

Yeah that can be agreed on, but this generation of people really don't wanna see good acting at all.. The number shows.. when something good and different is out there then the movies just dnt get the love!

 

[AgentCreed]

main problem is the tpd's see nothing wrong with what tyler is doing, nothing. he's black he gets paid so its ok. there are articles dating back to 2008 full of people saying he's doing the black community wrong and those people get shouted down by tpd's.
it's as if just b/c he's black he gets a pass... then they try to bring up comparisons...

martin crossdressed and how successful was he? his career is pretty much dead and his movies bombed. we didn't want to see that shit...
jamie hasn't crossed dressed since his show went off the air and thats been what..over 10 yrs?
the wayans? marlon has transitioned. shawn isn't even in anything... damon is doing nothing and the other brother is a producer behind the scenes... the other wayans are either writing books on improving the black community thru the youth (kim) or being on cancelled tv shows (damon jr) or spending their day on twitter(craig i think)....


tyler says his stuff is based on what he's experienced and thats bullshit if thats all he's experienced he needs therapy... he purposely paints this image of black folks and y'all eat it with the "it happens in the community" yes it does but it doesn't need to be used for profit in every film and it doesn't need to be the only thing hollywood greenlights.
ppl with knowledge are telling y'all hollywood won't greenlight shit unless its similar to tyler perry...y'all keep saying "cultivate your audience" ain't shit to cultivate if hollywood won't let your work show... living on the chitlin circuit is not what many of us aspire too.

we approve of what hollywood does b/c we are the 1st ones to open our wallets to tyler and we tell hollywood to greenlight more of him and less of anyone else.

y'all blatantly ignore there are black films made that are better than tyler perry but they get no promotion and damn near no funding whereas tyler hets greenlit from lightsgate... he's a corporate toy yeah he has his own studio but its not his own... he gets money from whitey so he gives whitey what they want... maybe he should pass on lionsgate and do it dolo...but he won't... the money is too good...

it's an open fact tyler is a story troll he'll buy promising black stories or take credit for stories others have written then add his touch to it and claim it's his own invention and he was sued for that and settled...an innocent man doesn't settle.

so now u have hollywood and tyler making sure no promising black media comes to air...b/c hollywood wants this image and tyler is afraid if someone black makes something better no one will come see his rubbish.

hell tyler has been dubbed the king of black hollywood by many people.

like it or not he is an obstacle, thats simply a fact unless your work is tyler like it won't see the light of day from big studios. eventually either u let the idea die or u change it to what hollywood thinks we as black people want b/c we support only one man and his form of media.

there is a lack of balance and that is the black communities fault, anything intelligent anything that shows us not being loud or rude or ignorant or anything thats not a fucking sermon on film with a whole lotta jesus in it we ignore.

now that is not totally tyler's fault he found a niche and he's exploiting it...the black community is fucked up and we like being exploited. normally we'd get mad about it but b/c tyler has a black face we don't view it as exploitation we ignore the fact that tyler has whitey behind his back telling him what to do.

we'll rip obama for being a "tool" of the white elite but we dismiss tyler being the same and whats worse tyler is probably more powerful than obama b/c the media sends messages daily that we take in and allow to affect us... so with his tv shows, his play dvds and his movies we hear from tyler more than we do the president...

tyler should be the larry the cable guy of the black community...the jeff foxworthy...foxworthy is a millionaire and he's on tv giving ppl money for their ideas...he made his money off of rednecks and transitioned... but instead the black community makes tyler God... thats a problem within the black community we rise black folks to god status for really not doing anything...maybe we're just hungry for someone who looks like us to be on top but its fucking us up at the same time.

in the last 3 yrs some good black films have come out and gotten no support from the black community... what a few people in this thread have said are true, black folks just want to watch stupidity and we hate intelligence. we don't want to think, we don't want to be critical of those on top...we just want to plop down and be entertained by the most ignorant rote comedy...

there comes a point where pride needs to step in and the excuses need to go away... him making money doesn't negate the fact that he's cooning, him being raped doesn't excuse the fact that he purposely makes black men look like the devil 95% of the time...him knowing sassy fucked up women doesn't excuse him making damn near every woman in his films look like a crazy psycho hell bent on control and or murder or getting dick...him being a rabid christian doesn't excuse him force feeding jesus into every film then turning around and telling ppl to go to hell for calling him out for his bullshit. him living out his car doesn't excuse him exploiting writers for ideas b/c he's new money and wants to rip ppl off to keep it.

Tyler perry is not God, he deserves no pass, the black community gives too many passes as is...we need to start demanding more and better and start turning from the same ole same ole and the minstrels... tyler's crap will always be there for those who want it but a lot of us are from the cosby generation we like intelligence and we like our kind of people to be shown not shut down b/c we aren't dancing a jig, being loud being violent or being ignorant.

that episode of the boondocks was on point, we need to stop supporting tyler...point blank force him to make new media that doesn't exploit this race and its tragedy for profit. if he can't do that he needs to go away and go back to making plays.

black ppl r not second class citizens, slavery is over we need to wake up and demand more and better from everyone one of us those in the spotlight and those not in the spotlight and those who refuse get left behind. We need to start with tyler.

 

[TheFuser]

MVP made brilliant points.

 

[hanginbals]

 

[BubleYumAssKica]

or being on cancelled tv shows (damon jr)

Happy Endings was picked-up for a second season thankfully. That show is hilarious.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

martin crossdressed and how successful was he? his career is pretty much dead and his movies bombed. we didn't want to see that shit...

The "Big Momma" movies were hugely successful except the third one.

Martin crossdressed on his show but not in the "Big Momma" movies.
He played a man disguised as a woman, not the same thing.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Happy Endings was picked-up for a second season thankfully. That show is hilarious.

 

[rundatrack]

Why the Hate for Tyler. Black directors need to get off their ass and make those movies they running their mouth about.

I kinda dont think that is the case...I think that many are not getting pushed. They would rather push shit making blacks look foolish than intelligent..


My 0.02

 

[45mm]

did any of you guys really listen to what mario van peebles was saying?? Because he didnt disrespect tyler perry in any shape form or fashion.

Man as black people we have to do so much better. This shit is sad.

 

[Sampson]

Funny, I say the exact same thing as Mario and I was called a hater.

Although this topic has been done to death, a simple analogy that I doubt anyone can disagree with.

Tyler Perry films = Fast Food; Easily accessible, not nourishing to the body, same reprocessed ingredients not good to the body in the long term a diet on it will do more harm than good.

Spike Lee films= Restaurant Food: A lot of care is taken into the process, a wide variety, food for thought and in the long run is more rewarding.

As I said, they both have their own audiences but at least Tyler knows his limitations. But anytime someone points out the negative aspects of Tyler's movies they're called a 'hater'.

You make sense in you post, but as a producer (mid - senior level) in television, I can tell you that there is a concerted effort to only show a certain type of image of black people.

I said this and I was called 'lazy'

I didn't really want to get deep into this topic but you have forced my hand.


A lot of people have... and I for one did, but the nature of this industry very very rarely allows individuals who make films/sitcoms of substance to reach the same heights Tyler has.


That was exactly my point if you look at my first post in here. And I never blamed TP, I'm simply acknowledging it's coonin. The executives at the major corporations will happily promote and support his kind of nonsense. There isn't enough black influence in Hollywood and I have seen it first hand.

Again, I'm not mad at Tyler because he knows what sells and he sticks to it. But no one else should come under heavy criticism simply because they don't approve of his work.

 

[Disanddat]

Was a nice drop though.

 

[DarkVoid]

Why the Hate for Tyler. Black directors need to get off their ass and make those movies they running their mouth about.

This right here. Also I'll like to add, its not Perry's fault that everybody wants to see the coonery, Perry made some serious films that got no love. So he's just giving the people what they want.

 

[Rick Ronson]

Niggas got "deep like Jacques Cousteau" up in here.

Cant argue with the approval of hip hop comparison.




But still ​

 

[followup]

Why would they? Moma Paine or Shenenne were spot characters that weren't on every show. The main characters on his tv show was a successful local DJ with a professional girlfriend-wife. The BM franchise at it's heart is about a FBI agent undercover as a woman. Slightly different from TP.

you're not serious, are you?

The "Big Momma" movies were hugely successful except the third one.

Martin crossdressed on his show but not in the "Big Momma" movies.
He played a man disguised as a woman, not the same thing.

what a shame. so we pick and choose, huh? give me a break

I kinda dont think that is the case...I think that many are not getting pushed. They would rather push shit making blacks look foolish than intelligent..

Not true. "Waiting to Exhale", "Love Jones", "Brown Sugar", "The Wood" so many more have set a good standard. Why aren't more being made, given that very positive and extremely profitable black films have been made successfully? The folks who created those films, where are they? Spike & Mario: where are your big screen shows? You all have been there before Tyler Perry.

did any of you guys really listen to what mario van peebles was saying?? Because he didnt disrespect tyler perry in any shape form or fashion.

Man as black people we have to do so much better. This shit is sad.

He did not disrespect him (a la Spike Lee), but he was undermining him. and why did he feel the need to attention whore? Why not talk about his own work(s) coming out? I mean MArio has a film coming out starring 50 Cent of all people? I have not seen 50 Cent in anything where his acting is of good quality...crazy he complains about actors not understanding the business side of the film industry and in the same interview throwing subliminals at Tyler Perry (It's not MY taste, 'heart attack fried chicken', clowning and buffooning) who not only understands the business side but is now controlling it. Like I said, you can tell who is speaking on something they have not seen and, as usual, hating. His statements are contradictory in that interview.

 

[followup]

This right here. Also I'll like to add, its not Perry's fault that everybody wants to see the coonery, Perry made some serious films that got no love. So he's just giving the people what they want.

the numbers show that ALL of his films turned a profit: some more than others. But using the term 'coonery', I don't get. How are you defining it and would you mind giving me an example from one of his films.

I would say some of the sketches on "In Living Color" were cooning, but I can't say the same about Tyler Perry's movies or TV shows...unfunny, yes. Over the top acting, yes. Cooning? I don't know.

 

[Dark Gable]

Mario made some great points. Dope interview..

And while I can understand that the demand for buffoonish type films may be high, that doesn't necessarily mean that those films should be made. As a film director, you would think Tyler Perry would want to show more diversity in his work. I'm familiar with pretty much all of his work, and he's never really tried to go left and be more progressive with his material.

What bothers me about him, is that when addressed on the matter, he tends to come off very defensive as if people are wrong for asking for more quality and variety. People are basically sayin' that they'll support him regardless, but it would appear that he thinks his viewers are only worthy of coon cinema. That's an issue with me. This cat can make any kind of film he wants, he has that kind of power now, which is rare. And he chooses to continues to produce solely shuck and jive work. It's a waste of power, and shows that he may feel that this is all Black people are, and all they want to see.

 

[Silencer]

He did not disrespect him (a la Spike Lee), but he was undermining him. and why did he feel the need to attention whore? Why not talk about his own work(s) coming out? I mean MArio has a film coming out starring 50 Cent of all people? I have not seen 50 Cent in anything where his acting is of good quality...crazy he complains about actors not understanding the business side of the film industry and in the same interview throwing subliminals at Tyler Perry (It's not MY taste, 'heart attack fried chicken', clowning and buffooning) who not only understands the business side but is now controlling it. Like I said, you can tell who is speaking on something they have not seen and, as usual, hating. His statements are contradictory in that interview.

How is it "attention whoring" to answer the question he was asked?

 

[ClevelandDawg216]

Mario made some great points. Dope interview..

And while I can understand that the demand for buffoonish type films may be high, that doesn't necessarily mean that those films should be made. As a film director, you would think Tyler Perry would want to show more diversity in his work. I'm familiar with pretty much all of his work, and he's never really tried to go left and be more progressive with his material.

What bothers me about him, is that when addressed on the matter, he tends to come off very defensive as if people are wrong for asking for more quality and variety. People are basically sayin' that they'll support him regardless, but it would appear that he thinks his viewers are only worthy of coon cinema. That's an issue with me. This cat can make any kind of film he wants, he has that kind of power now, which is rare. And he chooses to continues to produce solely shuck and jive work. It's a waste of power, and shows that he may feel that this is all Black people are, and all they want to see.

they are. notice how his defenders act like they dont see this......

if you support this.......

 

[bizzaro1]

Why the Hate for Tyler. Black directors need to get off their ass and make those movies they running their mouth about.

Ya, it's just like the "hip hop is dead" argument.
Dudes complain about southern hip hop but when "real" hip-hop like Raekwons album this year or Az's "Doe Or Die: 15th Anniversary Edition" last year comes out, they don't buy it,support it or make threads about it,etc....

Check this video out that came out in 2010

 

[unknownsoldier]

but it can't be about attacking the bad shows... you work in television..how many chances are they going to take with an unknown product especially an unknown that supposed to appeal to a fraction of the population?

Some italians HATE Jersey Shore...Italy refused to let them in their country. But they bring in the numbers and MTV is doing SPINOFFS of that shit. They don't care about negative backlash as long as the numbers stay up.
Take The Game for instance...CW cancelled it but it had a vocal fanbase..when BET picked it up and debuted the new season more people than they thought tuned in. Thats because black people and people in general said thats what their FOR..then showed up to support it.

This is what you're missing, like MVP said: the moment Whites are defined by these types of shows become the moment that shit goes away or is drowned out by alternatives. Blacks don't have that luxury. Even at Martin's height there was Living Single, Family Matters, Fresh Prince, offsetting it.

The problem isn't TP, Spike, or MVP...its the consumer. Like SouthPark said, quit giving him money & he'll go away.

 

[followup]

Mario made some great points. Dope interview..

And while I can understand that the demand for buffoonish type films may be high, that doesn't necessarily mean that those films should be made. As a film director, you would think Tyler Perry would want to show more diversity in his work. I'm familiar with pretty much all of his work, and he's never really tried to go left and be more progressive with his material.

What bothers me about him, is that when addressed on the matter, he tends to come off very defensive as if people are wrong for asking for more quality and variety. People are basically sayin' that they'll support him regardless, but it would appear that he thinks his viewers are only worthy of coon cinema. That's an issue with me. This cat can make any kind of film he wants, he has that kind of power now, which is rare. And he chooses to continues to produce solely shuck and jive work. It's a waste of power, and shows that he may feel that this is all Black people are, and all they want to see.

But he HAS shown tons of diversity in his films. Check it out and you may be surprised (A couple of films I would point you to are "The Family That Preys" and "Daddy's Little Girls", In addition, the professionals in "Why did I get Married" are comparable to those in "The Best Man"). How would you feel if another film maker talked shit about you to 'others' without even stretching out a hand as a veteran in the industry you are finding success in? Hell, people get defensive over smaller things every day. Nobody ever comes straight to him to discuss their issues with his films. They love to talk around him and go to others like Spike Lee and Mario van Peebles to do their dirty work. And like idiots, Spike and Mario and others fall for it every single time. Not professional and definitely not supporting what they are talking about (improving black film makers' position in Hollywood)

How is it "attention whoring" to answer the question he was asked?

It's the way he did it and felt the need to speak on it the way he did. Why not just say that everybody is entitled to make the films they see fit? Why all that extra salt in there?

 

[SpiritualPorn]

That was an EXCELLENT interview!!!!

Thank you for posting this!!!

 

[followup]

This is what you're missing, like MVP said: the moment Whites are defined by these types of shows become the moment that shit goes away or is drowned out by alternatives. Blacks don't have that luxury. Even at Martin's height there was Living Single, Family Matters, Fresh Prince, offsetting it.

The problem isn't TP, Spike, or MVP...its the consumer. Like SouthPark said, quit giving him money & he'll go away.

so what's stopping all of the seasoned black film makers from making films? You can't say "Hollywood won't support them" because Hollywood has and will. As well, why are they STILL in the position of waiting for Hollywood to give them something? All of them have made LOTS of money in the past. They lacked long-term vision when they were new in the film industry and I feel that's why they hate Tyler Perry so much.

As well, you can't say that black movie goers won't support other types of black films because we always have and always will. (from the 70s to today--and that includes dumb ass Wayans movies & detrimental gangster films)

 

[geechiedan]

Mario made some great points. Dope interview..

And while I can understand that the demand for buffoonish type films may be high, that doesn't necessarily mean that those films should be made. As a film director, you would think Tyler Perry would want to show more diversity in his work. I'm familiar with pretty much all of his work, and he's never really tried to go left and be more progressive with his material.

Actually as a BUSINESS and remember this is showBUSINESS the demand for buffoonish type films is EXACTLY the reason to produce them. And lets be clear here the buffoon in comedy is a valid comedic style. If you like the Three Stooges then you like buffoonery. And yes characters like Mr.Brown are buffoons...they are SUPPOSED to be...thats their function in the story. Its not inadvertent or unintentional. And anyone who watches Meet the Browns is in on the joke. Its silliness and its suppose to be.

And the reality is most filmmakers are like any other kind of artist..they go with what works. Would you demand that Dr. Dre make a children's rap album or some politically conscious music because all he's produced for the last 20 years is gangster type shit? No...thats his lane, it works for him and you understand that and wouldn't demand he change up..And lets be honest The Chronic album had all kinds of negative shit in it and young black people were/still are feeling that shit big time even when other blacks protested and demanded a change. whats so different between then and now??

What bothers me about him, is that when addressed on the matter, he tends to come off very defensive as if people are wrong for asking for more quality and variety. People are basically sayin' that they'll support him regardless, but it would appear that he thinks his viewers are only worthy of coon cinema. That's an issue with me. This cat can make any kind of film he wants, he has that kind of power now, which is rare. And he chooses to continues to produce solely shuck and jive work. It's a waste of power, and shows that he may feel that this is all Black people are, and all they want to see.

And how you put it is similar to how MVP said his piece and guess what..its insulting. MVP and other people with a problem with TP's works use words like cooning and such and clearly that people who work on those films or like them don't think its like that so yeah its seen as hating on TP. What I agree with is that Perry Studios could PRODUCE other genres of stories. I mean TP as a filmmaker himself could still make his movies but his studio could produce other things but then again so could oprah (who seems to stuck in a time zone from 1850-post-slavery to 1950 pre-civil rights era...any time where blacks and women are suffering) and just about any black filmmaker could do the same. Some have and some (Ice Cube) haven't.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

The problem isn't TP, Spike, or MVP...its the consumer. Like SouthPark said, quit giving him money & he'll go away.

Truth......

Well said

 

[Silencer]

And how you put it is similar to how MVP said his piece and guess what..its insulting. MVP and other people with a problem with TP's works use words like cooning and such and clearly that people who work on those films or like them don't think its like that

Maybe the people who like them, but the people who work on them are doing just that...working. Doesn't mean they don't know the material is terrible.

 

[unknownsoldier]

so what's stopping all of the seasoned black film makers from making films? You can't say "Hollywood won't support them" because Hollywood has and will. As well, why are they STILL in the position of waiting for Hollywood to give them something? All of them have made LOTS of money in the past. They lacked long-term vision when they were new in the film industry and I feel that's why they hate Tyler Perry so much.

As well, you can't say that black movie goers won't support other types of black films because we always have and always will. (from the 70s to today--and that includes dumb ass Wayans movies & detrimental gangster films)

Nothing is stopping them. Many aren't waiting for hollywood, as other mediums are being used to release projects. TP aint some damn visionary, as MVP said the biggest issue is the imagery & how Blacks become defined by his movies.

When did having an opinion become hate?? Everybody won't like and agree on everything. Is it really a stretch to see the person who made Bamboozeled dislikes TP's work??

 

[geechiedan]

This is what you're missing, like MVP said: the moment Whites are defined by these types of shows become the moment that shit goes away or is drowned out by alternatives. Blacks don't have that luxury. Even at Martin's height there was Living Single, Family Matters, Fresh Prince, offsetting it.

The problem isn't TP, Spike, or MVP...its the consumer. Like SouthPark said, quit giving him money & he'll go away.

white people are the majority in numbers..so they can do whatever they want when it suits them.

But this is the crux of the problem... who does the defining??

the real issue about TP movies isn't just that their bad films..soul plane was a bad film..its the fact that their are some black people who are afraid that white people will see us all "like that"...guess what, get over it, some of them already do and have been for a loooooooooong fucking time.

Stereotypes are an offshoot of racism. Their a means to an end not the end game itself. What I mean is when white folks decided to use people of color as slaves and keep them on the outside of citizenship and rights and what not...it was a DONE DEAL on how it was going to get executed. Stereotyping and negative imagery was just their way of salving their conscience about doing it. If you convince yourself that the people you have designated as your enemy isn't smart or qualified or human then you can feel more at ease about fucking them over. But make no mistake FUCKING THEM OVER WAS THE GAME PLAN ALL ALONG REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FELT ABOUT IT.

This is why the white people who didn't buy into the stereotyping and negative shit and could see, feel and empathize that slavery and jim crow were wrong but they STILL owned slaves or participated in a discriminatory system. The excuse is always "thats just the way it was.." But they knew the difference yet still did it.

Anyone who thinks a black man didn't get a promotion, job, or service because the employer saw Flavor of Love and thinks all black men act like that is fooling himself. That person was NEVER going to hire, promote etc that black person because THAT WAS HIS AGENDA REGARDLESS. It wouldn't matter if there were a thousand Cosby shows running 24/7

So its kinda pointless worrying about how a movie makes all of us look.

As far as showing diversity in stories as an incentive for US to show ourselves doing whatever...sure. But again thats not Tyler Perry's responsibility really..he does what he does..just like master p did what he did in rap music no one asked his label to show diversity...you wanna see diversity in films..get more people to make more stories.

 

[geechiedan]

Maybe the people who like them, but the people who work on them are doing just that...working. Doesn't mean they don't know the material is terrible.

then youre calling them idiots...and thats insulting.

just accept that not everyone sees everything in the same manner.