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Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez..Predictions and Streams

JIMMY SWAGGER said:
Mayweather outclassed a guy who has never been at that weight. Marquez killed himself to make the weight. Did you see how much bigger Mayweather was over Marquez. Thats apple and oranges. Marquez did his thing but do not get ahead of yourself.
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Pac can't handle counter punchers...marquez is a good counter puncher with good movement...Mayweather is even better...Mayweather is one of the most accurate punchers all time...did you not see how Marquez made Pac eat straight rights all night what you think Floyd would do to him...:lol:
 
OutlawR.O.C. said:
Manny is on a PED called Bob Arum that guarantees that even during a shitty performance you still win
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Best PED argument yet. And wtf is up with the compubox stats? :confused: I watched this fight on stream, but even the announcers watching it in high quality seemed :puke: at the decision. Arum running wifi hacks?
 
AllState17 said:
Mark my words, in a couple of days Roach, Ariza, Koncz or some other dude in Manny's camp will come out and say Manny was injured coming into the fight, that everyone knew about the injury but they asked 24/7 crew not to show it, that Manny could have pulled out of fight but he is a warrior and didnt wanna disappoint the fans, so he fought through the pain and beat JMM at 50% of his capacity.
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Fuck a couple of days they will probably say it at the press conference
 
Ninja05 said:
I am in no way a boxing expert but...Manny reverted back to double or single right jab then left hand. That shit was telegraphed and all Marquez would do was counter (happened all night).

The problem with all of Manny's fighters at welter is that they are not counter punchers. People keep saying Marquez is Manny's kryptonite..no!!! A counter-puncher is his kryptonite and the best one is just chillin and waiting.

Manny was supposed to be some immovable force. Y'all were blinded by a lust to see niggas knocked out and pure hate for a loud mouth black dude who just might be the most skilled fighter in the last 20 years. Y'all don't like a dude who talks plenty shit then systematically destroys an opponent. You want Tyson every fight. So a beaten Cotto, no throwing Clottey, destroyed and disgraced Margo and finally a completely embarrassed Mosley was his punching bags and we got to see Tyson.

This is the thing no one wants to really discuss...Marquez moved up once again from 135 for this fight
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End of story...dudes are so fucking caught up in people's attitudes and personalities as if the sports figures they watch has to be the type of guy they would like to have a beer with...that shit is gay
 
Pac should have thrown more jabs, and punches in general, and this fight would have been his w/no controversy.

Instead, he tried to go punch for punch with JMM, who was already in his head. Pac should have also blitzed him at times, ala the first round of the first fight.

JMM eats up brawlers. His losses are against counterpunchers, like himself (Floyd, Chris JOhn, Freddie Norwood, and to a smaller extent, Derrick Gainer).

If Pac fights like this against Floyd, it will be a sad sight, unless Floyd goes for the finish.
 
gene cisco said:
Exactly what PEDs is Manny on and what are the benefits and detection times? Please state it for Floyd. Not even his camp can do so. Didn't they get sued?

And I am not even saying that Pac beats Floyd. I am saying Floyd can beat him. I have no smurf in this fight.
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dude please post a link to the outcome of this "lawsuit" ,, ill wait but you wont find it you know why cause it had no legs,, i cant speak for anybody else but at this point its not even about ped ,, its about the corrupt ass boxing org,, and the hate they have for a blk man that they would cheat the mexician for this dude ,really fuck ped fuck floyd scared if i was floyd i would want everything under the sun if yall expect me to go in the ring with any judge affillated with the boxing org
 
gene cisco said:
Exactly what PEDs is Manny on and what are the benefits and detection times? Please state it for Floyd. Not even his camp can do so. Didn't they get sued?

And I am not even saying that Pac beats Floyd. I am saying Floyd can beat him. I have no smurf in this fight.
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I agree with this. I could see Floyd beating Pac but I think at this point there is some fear on Floyd's part and if even he isn't sure he can beat Pac then I am not either. Even Emmanuel Steward hinted at Floyd's fear but he was nice and used the word "hesitant" instead.

In the end, if PEDs are doing such wonderful things for boxers, how did they help Pacquiao tonight? If Pacquiao got robbed, was it because the power of PEDs somehow went from Pacquiao into the judges and made him win the fight? Interesting.
 
richlove said:
Just so I'm clear you are saying that all great champions have someone that can take it to them? or all great champions have someone that they are scared to fight? I hope it's not the latter. On a side note if anyone want thinks Floyd is a scared, excuse maker ducking and cherry picking..but still wants to see him fight Pac...what is the point?
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Yes on both accounts. Why do you think boxers have advisors and promoters? Why are there only one or two undefeated champions?

Back in the day you could not avoid cats because there were so many great fighters in certain weight classes. If Ali would have ducked Foreman then he would have had to fight Frazier or Norton, Sphinx. Shavers etc (which he fought all of them) Now you can pick and choose who you want because there arent many out there in their prime.

If Mayweather wanted to fight him, dont you think it would have happened. Mayweather wants this fight to happen in May because he knows this will be his last big fight before he goes to jail (and yes he is going to jail).
 
gene cisco said:
Best PED argument yet. And wtf is up with the compubox stats? :confused: I watched this fight on stream, but even the announcers watching it in high quality seemed :puke: at the decision. Arum running wifi hacks?
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:lol:

The sad shit is I was watching the UK feed (very clear) that Amir Khan (Manny's stable mate) was commentating on and he and his partner were dickriding Manny the entire fight and even they broke down and admitted Pac got his ass beat.

The other commentator called it a virtuoso performance :lol::smh:

I don't care what anyone says I know what I saw and Manny got schooled tonight, he looked like a confused fighter who had only been fighting for a couple of years
 
gene cisco said:
Not everyone is the same. Just because Floyd says jump, doesn't mean a cat has to say how high. He ain't American either. So maybe he doesn't feed into Bitchassedness.... Who the fuck is Floyd to him to make demands? Plus he took a third fight against a cat that some say got him twice.

He isn't a bitchmade.

Floyd, his camp or any other expert cannot even name the PEDs that manny might be on. Floyd would kill this cat judging by tonight.
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Man thats a lame excuse. It may have been valid if thats how Pac approached it but In fact HIS first lame excuse was he was scared of needles :hmm: then later he was fine with the test as long as it wasnt random...:hmm::hmm: Then later it became about principle.:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

But now he will take the test.:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/...iao-will-call-mayweathers-bluff-take-the-test

There goes your bitchassness theory and excuses.

But Pac is such a man that he is trying to sue PBF over defamation..
 
Ninja05 said:
I am in no way a boxing expert but...Manny reverted back to double or single right jab then left hand. That shit was telegraphed and all Marquez would do was counter (happened all night).

The problem with all of Manny's fighters at welter is that they are not counter punchers. People keep saying Marquez is Manny's kryptonite..no!!! A counter-puncher is his kryptonite and the best one is just chillin and waiting.

Manny was supposed to be some immovable force. Y'all were blinded by a lust to see niggas knocked out and pure hate for a loud mouth black dude who just might be the most skilled fighter in the last 20 years. Y'all don't like a dude who talks plenty shit then systematically destroys an opponent. You want Tyson every fight. So a beaten Cotto, no throwing Clottey, destroyed and disgraced Margo and finally a completely embarrassed Mosley was his punching bags and we got to see Tyson.


This is the thing no one wants to really discuss...Marquez moved up once again from 135 for this fight
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Yup. With better expeirence and an opponent who came in at the agreed contract weight. I still say JMM, piss-drinking azz should have forced Floyd to make weight and said fuck the extra money. It would have been both a psychological and physical tool to use.

And Nacho is a good trainer but terrible manager. NEVER tell a counter puncher he is ahead. This is the same Nacho that truned DOWN an immediate rematch with Manny and wento to Indonesia to lose against an undefeated fighter in his homeland for a fraction of the pay.:smh:
 
gene cisco said:
Not everyone is the same. Just because Floyd says jump, doesn't mean a cat has to say how high. He ain't American either. So maybe he doesn't feed into Bitchassedness.... Who the fuck is Floyd to him to make demands? Plus he took a third fight against a cat that some say got him twice.

He isn't a bitchmade.

Floyd, his camp or any other expert cannot even name the PEDs that manny might be on. Floyd would kill this cat judging by tonight.
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He is the number 1 cash cow in boxing and they guy with the biggest PPV numbers...in other words...the shot caller
 
Regardless, Manny lost that fight. Marquez got robbed. If Arum comes knocking for a fourth fight, Marquez needs to tell them to go pound sand.

That was some bullshit.

It's 0130 and I'm going to bed.
 
richlove said:
End of story...dudes are so fucking caught up in people's attitudes and personalities as if the sports figures they watch has to be the type of guy they would like to have a beer with...that shit is gay
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fam thats basically what it is the loud mouth black man they want to lose so badly that they will say this Pacman is a better boxer which is comical at best...

its all hate at the end of the day...Manny drives his ferrari talks to his team anyway he wants he is a hero a true champ May does the same thing and is also very generous with his money but they call him ignorant of not as good as Pac....:lol:

look at the Pactards in this thread denying he lost even his teammate thought he lost (Khan)

thats why this sport is going down the toilet too many dumb ass fans and journalist that care about personalities than actual skill....
 
richlove said:
He is the number 1 cash cow in boxing and they guy with the biggest PPV numbers...in other words...the shot caller
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:yes:

Which is why this fight has not yet been made. We going on 3 years of this tease??:smh: Fuck them both equally.
 
bigdicdaddy said:
dude please post a link to the outcome of this "lawsuit" ,, ill wait but you wont find it you know why cause it had no legs,, i cant speak for anybody else but at this point its not even about ped ,, its about the corrupt ass boxing org,, and the hate they have for a blk man that they would cheat the mexician for this dude ,really fuck ped fuck floyd scared if i was floyd i would want everything under the sun if yall expect me to go in the ring with any judge affillated with the boxing org
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I ain't looking for the link right now. Last time I saw it was in summer, Floyd was supposed to show up.

Anyway, I agree, boxing is crooked. But let's not start an argument that PAC is on PEDs that other boxers would kill to get. It is obviously just posturing on Mayweather's part. For whatever reason, I don't know. I suspect fear. But after this fight, it should be gone.
 
ron_mexico said:
Man thats a lame excuse. It may have been valid if thats how Pac approached it but In fact HIS first lame excuse was he was scared of needles :hmm: then later he was fine with the test as long as it wasnt random...:hmm::hmm: Then later it became about principle.:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

But now he will take the test.:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/...iao-will-call-mayweathers-bluff-take-the-test

There goes your bitchassness theory and excuses.

But Pac is such a man that he is trying to sue PBF over defamation..
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Don't know what mind games Floyd and Mayweather are playing with each other, but if PAC is on some shit, shouldn't other boxers be running around acting a fool? Should boxers all over be running what he is running. The fact is that no other boxers are working this "miracle" but PAC.

Just like Floyd is playing games, Pac is probably doing the same shit. Hell, after the decision tonight I wouldn't be surprised if the hype wasn't bigger than both of them.

To those who know PEDs, shit seemed like bullshit from jump.
 
Amajorfucup said:
Do you watch boxing? When has Floyd ever been a KO artist and when has Manny ever been a get KO'ed artist? You make less sense than Gene Cisco.

These niggaz fight for a living my man. This shit is life threatening battle. WHy would he enter a battle with one he KNOWS receives preferential treatment from the judges and who he suspects may be on PEDs? Its easy for you to sit on your couch and call someone a coward for requesting drug testing while suggesting that he instead knock his opponent out as if it were routine or commonplace to do so.

How does a fight where a man is soundly defeated, yet GIVEN a victory, inspire confidence in a potential future opponent:confused:? Thats ass backwards logic.
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My dude, stop making excuses. :rolleyes:
Judges. PEDs. Mayweather is not a KO artist. And on. And on...

And for the record... I've never ONCE called Mayweather a coward over the PED issue. Check my posts.

I said the VERY same thing a year ago...
Mayweather needs to 'bring it to him'. Period. :yes:

He should not go into the fight with the..."Ima last 12 rounds and win by unanimous decision, on points"... type of mindset. :smh:

Mayweather has KO'd people. :yes:
So he needs to add Pac Man's name to that list. :yes: Period.
And THAT's the mindset he SHOULD bring to the fight. Nothing less.

Because if the (Michael Jordan) Bulls can blowout the Utah Jazz by 30 points...

And the Utah Jazz can pummel the Spurs, but get blatantly jerked by the refs...

You think MJ should completely avoid playing the Spurs for the NBA Title.......
because of the refs? or the location? or the steroids they might take before the game? :rolleyes:

Nah son. :smh:

MJ would LAY THE SMACKDOWN on the Spurs...
while making the refs 'swallow their whistles'... at the same time. :yes:

Because THAT's what Champions do.

Now if you can't feel me on that... then I dunno what to tell you. :dunno:
 
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Man I am still pissed...just had a great round of MW3 tho lighting niggas asses up...this anger is useful
 
This pretty much sums it up:

http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=22438

"All indications are that this fight was extremely close, with Pacquiao slightly ahead in the eyes of the majority. Punchstat numbers favored Pacquiao, 176 punches to 138. HBO's Harold Lederman liked Pacquiao by 116-112 while Boxingtalk's panel was almost identical to the offical scorecards: Stephen Edwards and Scott Shaffer had it 115-113 for Pacquiao, Greg Leon scored the last round even and had Pacquiao up 115-114, while Doveed Linder saw it as a draw."
 
gene cisco said:
I ain't looking for the link right now. Last time I saw it was in summer, Floyd was supposed to show up.

Anyway, I agree, boxing is crooked. But let's not start an argument that PAC is on PEDs that other boxers would kill to get. It is obviously just posturing on Mayweather's part. For whatever reason, I don't know. I suspect fear. But after this fight, it should be gone.
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This is why Floyd will NEVER be like Ali--even though he'll have the make-it-rain era fooled.

Ali sought out challenges like Sonny, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Foreman, Al Lewis and he fought in other countries when he did not have to.

I hope Floyd did not let fear get the best of him, if he ever was afraid.
 
gene cisco said:
I ain't looking for the link right now. Last time I saw it was in summer, Floyd was supposed to show up.

Anyway, I agree, boxing is crooked. But let's not start an argument that PAC is on PEDs that other boxers would kill to get. It is obviously just posturing on Mayweather's part. For whatever reason, I don't know. I suspect fear. But after this fight, it should be gone.
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your still not making sense ,, so you say may should not be scared after watch manny get his ass bust and still win ,, ok im going to bed
 
Zeferino said:
This pretty much sums it up:

http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=22438

"All indications are that this fight was extremely close, with Pacquiao slightly ahead in the eyes of the majority. Punchstat numbers favored Pacquiao, 176 punches to 138. HBO's Harold Lederman liked Pacquiao by 116-112 while Boxingtalk's panel was almost identical to the offical scorecards: Stephen Edwards and Scott Shaffer had it 115-113 for Pacquiao, Greg Leon scored the last round even and had Pacquiao up 115-114, while Doveed Linder saw it as a draw."
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I feel you, and I've been a relatively vocal supporter of Manny, but at this point, what has to now happen is, the boxing writers, commentators, etc. have to put a good face on this, write things which will subliminally sway public opinion, because Manny's inability to dominate in this fight against a 38 year old Marquez who was dominated two years ago by Floyd has fucked up the perception of their potential 'Super' fight, and a lot of people who stand to make a lot of money need to do a lot of PR work to get this fight back to where it should be in terms of the court of public opinion, after Manny fucked up tonight and fought like a damn amateur. And punch stats don't tell the whole story, break that shit out by rounds or whatever, but there are many fights where guys have lost badly after having 'dominated' punch stats. That is only one dynamic of overall fight judging Dude...
 
gene cisco said:
Don't know what mind games Floyd and Mayweather are playing with each other, but if PAC is on some shit, shouldn't other boxers be running around acting a fool? Should boxers all over be running what he is running. The fact is that no other boxers are working this "miracle" but PAC.

Just like Floyd is playing games, Pac is probably doing the same shit. Hell, after the decision tonight I wouldn't be surprised if the hype wasn't bigger than both of them.

To those who know PEDs, shit seemed like bullshit from jump.
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Bruh several boxers have tested positive for Peds in recent years. Off the top of my head Roy jones, Shane mosley and Fernando vargas. If there was no advantage to using them why would they be using them. Further more there is no precedence for what Pac is doing, moving from 106 to 145 and getting stronger and faster as you pass the age of 30..:hmm: add all that up with his shady reasons for test dodging.
 

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