Kevin Love Traded for Wiggins, Bennett, and future pick

[4 Dimensional]

You didn't. However, the person I originally quoted did. You probably missed that and missed the context of my reply.

Even though I would have liked to see the Cavs with depth and defense, Love is going to fit in because of his passing, rebounding, and perimeter play. Cavs are going to end up the #1 defensive rebounding team in the league, easily...which is also going to lead to a ton of easy transition baskets. The offense is going to be killer.

Although, the Cavs are going to have to play defense and as of now I'm no so certain that it's going to be champion defense. Even prolific offenses have weaknesses. And on some real shit, the bulls have a big team, which is not good for the Cavs. Noah can definitely contain Love and because he is a jump shooter instead of attacking the basket, he will not be able to draw fouls. To me, he is going to be nothing more than what Chris bosh became in Miami.

Plus they have a rookie coach. Are they going to listen or let bron coach?

 

[RoadRage]

Although, the Cavs are going to have to play defense and as of now I'm no so certain that it's going to be champion defense. Even prolific offenses have weaknesses. And on some real shit, the bulls have a big team, which is not good for the Cavs. Noah can definitely contain Love and because he is a jump shooter instead of attacking the basket, he will not be able to draw fouls. To me, he is going to be nothing more than what Chris bosh became in Miami.

Plus they have a rookie coach. Are they going to listen or let bron coach?

You forget Love is a rebounding machine who can pass , and has a good post up game also.. If Noah was to guard Live like you say, who is guarding the paint, with Thompson, LeBron , Waiters and Irving attacking?

 

[mrJR]

You forget Love is a rebounding machine who can pass , and has a good post up game also.. If Noah was to guard Live like you say, who is guarding the paint, with Thompson, LeBron , Waiters and Irving attacking?

Exactly! Or maybe Gasol is going to guard the paint when Love draws Noah out to 3 point range or if Gasol tries to guard Love, he will beast him all game. Either way you have LeBron, Waiters, and Irving who will be ready to attack. The Cavs are going to be dangerous. Chris Bosh wasn't bad, now LeBron has a way more efficient version of him.

 

[Spectrum]

Although, the Cavs are going to have to play defense and as of now I'm no so certain that it's going to be champion defense. Even prolific offenses have weaknesses. And on some real shit, the bulls have a big team, which is not good for the Cavs. Noah can definitely contain Love and because he is a jump shooter instead of attacking the basket, he will not be able to draw fouls. To me, he is going to be nothing more than what Chris bosh became in Miami.

Plus they have a rookie coach. Are they going to listen or let bron coach?

If D. Rose is back to pre-injury D. Rose and he stays healthy, I have the Bulls coming out of the east. That's a big IF though with D. Rose.

 

[Spectrum]

. Chris Bosh wasn't bad, now LeBron has a way more efficient version of him.

More efficient? Love shot 45 percent from the field. For a PF that's horrible. He can score but efficient he is not.

 

[4 Dimensional]

You forget Love is a rebounding machine who can pass , and has a good post up game also.. If Noah was to guard Live like you say, who is guarding the paint, with Thompson, LeBron , Waiters and Irving attacking?

Bulls are long. Gibson and Noah is a body in front of love. The other centers don't even need to guard him. They can camp in the paint.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

More efficient? Love shot 45 percent from the field. For a PF that's horrible. He can score but efficient he is not.

Right

Love is a career .451% FG percentage

Bosh is .498%

 

[curryshotta]

If D. Rose is back to pre-injury D. Rose and he stays healthy, I have the Bulls coming out of the east. That's a big IF though with D. Rose.

I am not sold on Chicago.

Rose even in his MVP season was not an uberefficient talisman of a player. His efficiency has always been mediocre.

Chicago's offense is predicated on Rose and a surplus in rebounding and second chance points to make up the difference. Get somebody to hem up rose or make him actively have to work both sides of the ball then that throws a huge spanner in their cogs.

A decent offensive team that doesnt have a huge disparity in rebounds ALWAYS has a chance to beat Chicago.

Jimmy Butler- Overrated
Noah-Yea he can get you some points but he wont be a second offensive juggernaut.Excellent passer as well.
Taj Gibson- This doesnt even need serious discussion
Pau- left to be seen..I still think he has 17 and 10 in him

The bulls will go balls to the wall in the regular season as they always do and then when they hit the playoffs face challenges.

 

[KingTaharqa]

The bulls will go balls to the wall in the regular season as they always do and then when they hit the playoffs face challenges.

Yup, same ol' Chicago.

 

[RoadRage]

If D. Rose is back to pre-injury D. Rose and he stays healthy, I have the Bulls coming out of the east. That's a big IF though with D. Rose.

Im not so sold on the Bulls like many people are... Remember the Old Cavs with LeBron and the LeBronnets beat this same Bulls team, with a healthy Rose and Noah..
But folks are giving Chicago points while taking the same points away..
First they assume Rose will be back healthy and the old Rose, while assuming Anderson Varejão (remember when healthy and playing with James, he and Noah went toe to toe..), they assume Love defense will be a liability but Gasol's wont, they assume that all the new Bulls players will jell just fine, and the Cavs wont, and yet nobody is even talking about the LeBron factor.
On paper lets look at the teams..

Noah vs Varejão
Gasol vs Love
Gibson vs LeBron
Butler vs Waiters
Rose vs Irving

Bulls bench
Cameron Bairstow PF
Aaron Brooks PG
Tadija Dragicevic PF
Mike Dunleavy SF
Kirk Hinrich SG
Doug McDermott SF
Nikola Mirotic PF
Nazr Mohammed C
Tony Snell SG



Cavs bench
Mike Miller sg
Brandon Haywood C
Triston Thompson PF
Sean Marion F
James Jones F

On paper the Cavs have far more talent than the Bulls , their starting lineup the only advantage they have is perhaps Noah over Varejão but if healthy its very close to a wash, and Rose vs Irving that is also assuming that Rose is healthy, and even if he is, its still very close to being a wash..
But the advantages the Cavs have are major, LeBron >>> Gibson, Waiters Butler, and Love >>> Gasol... Plus the Cavs have a much better bench...
So if the Bulls are to beat the Cavs it would be due to execution on the court and/or coaching and of course injuries..

 

[RoadRage]

Plus the Bulls don't score enough points.... The Cavs have three guys that can easily score 40 and two who can score 25... The Bulls barely have a guy that can put in 35 when he was healthy..

 

[THE DRIZZY]

Time will tell but the games will have to be played before anyone crowns the Bulls or Cavs the 2014/2015 EC champions. The arguments being made against the Bulls are legit but I am not sold that the Cavs will gel in one season.

 

[RoadRage]

Time will tell but the games will have to be played before anyone crowns the Bulls or Cavs the 2014/2015 EC champions. The arguments being made against the Bulls are legit but I am not sold that the Cavs will gel in one season.

The Cavs will go as far as Irving dedication to win goes.. Sure they can win games and even the division, but if they want to move on in the championships, Irving has to want to win more than anything in life, and right now I think he is more into looking nice and trying to look cool..

 

[mrJR]

More efficient? Love shot 45 percent from the field. For a PF that's horrible. He can score but efficient he is not.

Right

Love is a career .451% FG percentage

Bosh is .498%

I was talking more so about overall game. Bosh's fg% is better but Love gets him in 3 point shooting, and rebounding. Other than that their stats are pretty similar so I recant my "much more efficient" but between 3 point shooting, free throw shooting, and rebounding I think he edges Bosh out you asses He's a stretch 4, basically a jump shooting wing player so .451 is not bad when you are shooting mostly mid to long range shots.

 

[curryshotta]

Time will tell but the games will have to be played before anyone crowns the Bulls or Cavs the 2014/2015 EC champions. The arguments being made against the Bulls are legit but I am not sold that the Cavs will gel in one season.

I think that the Cavs halfcourt will be disjointed for at least the first half of the season and improve as the season goes on...

The comfort level wont be fully there the first season no matter what.

I dont mean to suggest that they are definitely coming out the east

I was just pointing out that there are arguments to be made against the Bulls as well

 

[RoadRage]

I was talking more so about overall game. Bosh's fg% is better but Love gets him in 3 point shooting, and rebounding. Other than that their stats are pretty similar so I recant my "much more efficient" but between 3 point shooting, free throw shooting, and rebounding I think he edges Bosh out you asses He's a stretch 4, basically a jump shooting wing player so .451 is not bad when you are shooting mostly mid to long range shots.

That % numbers is misleading,cause if Bosh is off he wont even touch the ball much less shoot.. Love was the focal point of his team and didn't have the luxury of shooting when he felt good..
All I need to know was Love was right behind LeBron in scoring and is always in the top three in rebounding, you can have that higher % for the PF spot, because if it was such a big thing, Amar'e Stoudemire and the Knicks would have been winners..

 

[RoadRage]

Folks are making it seem like Love only has an outside game.... Name one outside shooter in the history of the game that lead the NBA in rebounding, the way Love has..

 

[ClevelandDawg216]

I wonder if some fans actually got Wiggins Cleveland jerseys from NBA.com

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

More efficient? Love shot 45 percent from the field. For a PF that's horrible. He can score but efficient he is not.

they don't even watch the games

stop wasting your time.

dudes in here have drunk the kool aid on love.

a dude they've never seen lead a team to nothing and get injured as often as anybody else.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I was talking more so about overall game. Bosh's fg% is better but Love gets him in 3 point shooting, and rebounding. Other than that their stats are pretty similar so I recant my "much more efficient" but between 3 point shooting, free throw shooting, and rebounding I think he edges Bosh out you asses He's a stretch 4, basically a jump shooting wing player so .451 is not bad when you are shooting mostly mid to long range shots.

Bosh is what spo made him.

he is not naturally what he has become.

let him go where he should be and he gets you 20 and 10 just like love did...only bosh's actually took his team to the playoffs.

loves has not.

those are facts.

 

[RoadRage]

I think that the Cavs halfcourt will be disjointed for at least the first half of the season and improve as the season goes on...

The comfort level wont be fully there the first season no matter what.

I dont mean to suggest that they are definitely coming out the east

I was just pointing out that there are arguments to be made against the Bulls as well

I agree.... It seems to me like they want toi run a set offense and that means that Irving is going to have to run and qb these plays..
Not saying he can't but he is going to have to mature real quick an learn how to play in a structured format..
Because in the NBA talent alone will only get you but so far..

 

[gene cisco]

Folks are making it seem like Love only has an outside game.... Name one outside shooter in the history of the game that lead the NBA in rebounding, the way Love has..

He is really going to be hoisting them up now. He will get some very wide open looks thanks to Lebron and the other talent on the Cavs.

I only wish Love played in the eastern conference before the trade. He would have already had playoff experience coming into this. His wolves would have made it in the east.

 

[RoadRage]

He is really going to be hoisting them up now. He will get some very wide open looks thanks to Lebron and the other talent on the Cavs.

I only wish Love played in the eastern conference before the trade. He would have already had playoff experience coming into this. His wolves would have made it in the east.

I think the opposite may be true... Sure he is going to be used to stretch the defenses and open lanes but if Irving develops I think you would see him more as a boards crasher some one who can box out keeping possessions alive..
If you notice when he was in the paint more and healthy he was averaging 15 rebounds per game. I think they need to tone down his outside shooting, just a tad, and have him focus more on grabbing the boards him and Thompson/Varejão can be a improved version of Gasol and Randolph combination..

 

[gene cisco]

I think the opposite may be true... Sure he is going to be used to stretch the defenses and open lanes but if Irving develops I think you would see him more as a boards crasher some one who can box out keeping possessions alive..
If you notice when he was in the paint more and healthy he was averaging 15 rebounds per game. I think they need to tone down his outside shooting, just a tad, and have him focus more on grabbing the boards him and Thompson/Varejão can be a improved version of Gasol and Randolph combination..

I've heard that Blatt likes to use big men who can shoot to stretch the floor. Plus Lebron wants him out there.

I think they will try to turn Irving into a more of a passing pg. And he is perfectly capable of being one.

Pick and roll or pick and pop with Love.

 

[RoadRage]

I've heard that Blatt likes to use big men who can shoot to stretch the floor. Plus Lebron wants him out there.

I think they will try to turn Irving into a more of a passing pg. And he is perfectly capable of being one.

Pick and roll or pick and pop with Love.

I see a lot of pick and rolls, Euro coaches love that shit, plus constant motion.. The problem with that is Irving has to know where to be, shit even LeBron will have some learning to do, due to the fact that he never played on a properly structured offense..

 

[gene cisco]

I see a lot of pick and rolls, Euro coaches love that shit, plus constant motion.. The problem with that is Irving has to know where to be, shit even LeBron will have some learning to do, due to the fact that he never played on a properly structured offense..

If Blatt can get Waiters to move well without the ball, it's going to be crazy out there. Lebron and Blatt will not stand for Irving freezing out Waiters like he used to.

 

[BDR]

Laugh now nigga watch that jersey will be worth mad bread especially if wiggins become a top 10 player

 

[Spectrum]

Bill Simmons so CP time.. but it's a good article

Kevin Love: Overrated, Underrated, or Properly Rated?

http://grantland.com/features/kevin-love-lebron-james-trade-minnesota-timberwolves/

 

[mrJR]

they don't even watch the games

stop wasting your time.

dudes in here have drunk the kool aid on love.

a dude they've never seen lead a team to nothing and get injured as often as anybody else.

I'm from Oakland too and a die hard Warrior fan. I follow hoop, Love is not the greatest ever of best PF in the league today but a lot of you are underselling him. True he has not ever taken Minny to the playoffs (they were in the race last season)but who has he ever had on his team to help? If Minny was in the EAST they would have been to the playoffs like Toronto with Bosh.

 

[gene cisco]

Bill Simmons so CP time.. but it's a good article

Kevin Love: Overrated, Underrated, or Properly Rated?

http://grantland.com/features/kevin-love-lebron-james-trade-minnesota-timberwolves/

His reads are long, but for the most part worth it.

 

[Day_Carver]

you didn't. However, the person i originally quoted did. You probably missed that and missed the context of my reply.

Even though i would have liked to see the cavs with depth and defense, love is going to fit in because of his passing, rebounding, and perimeter play. Cavs are going to end up the #1 defensive rebounding team in the league, easily...which is also going to lead to a ton of easy transition baskets. The offense is going to be killer.

offensive maybe killer, but what about the defense; they wont beat the spurs unless irving and love improve dramatically on the defensive end...

if d. Rose is back to pre-injury d. Rose and he stays healthy, i have the bulls coming out of the east. That's a big if though with d. Rose.

cavs are best team in the east by far; probably will sign r allen next; i think marion is joining them; one more big and they will be very solid; bulls are not on cavs level right now...

 

[wiZe]

offensive maybe killer, but what about the defense; they wont beat the spurs unless irving and love improve dramatically on the defensive end...



cavs are best team in the east by far; probably will sign r allen next; i think marion is joining them; one more big and they will be very solid; bulls are not on cavs level right now...

^^ ignorance

 

[Day_Carver]

^^ ignorance

Obviously you disagree; Please explain why..

 

[Spectrum]

offensive maybe killer, but what about the defense; they wont beat the spurs unless irving and love improve dramatically on the defensive end...

I've been saying that all thread long.

cavs are best team in the east by far; probably will sign r allen next; i think marion is joining them; one more big and they will be very solid; bulls are not on cavs level right now...

People said that same thing when the Heat came together. On paper it looks good, but they've got to gel and that takes time. The heat struggled to get started during the first season together and then got bounced in the Finals.

And remember.. they're also coming together with a completely new squad AND coach who has never coached over here.

I think Bulls have a distinct advantage out of the gate IF D. Rose is healthy.

If I had to bet though, I would put money on the Cavs just because their ceiling is higher.

 

[cincitystudios]

Eeww how do you use time to gel as a negative for Cleveland but not for Chicago. Rose ain't played in 2 years and he's EXTREMELY ball dominate. Don't you think its gonna take Chicago time to readjust?