Kareem's Open Letter To Pippen For His Comments About Lebron...

[Upgrade Dave]

Werd!!! Kareem was like 'Remember who I AM before you come at me on some bullshit Nicca!!!!'

So that's me getting pissed? Or is it just a real statement?

You tell me. I suggested you were venturing into trolling territory and you decided to give me your resume and then started trolling. All I can go by is what you put out.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Cuz I don't agree with you? And know my high school girls team would be a 2nd seedin the 60'S

no, because if you actually believe what you just said then that's what it is.

 

[Spectrum]

Even if you dont agree, you must accept the fact that Kareem has a great argument.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I have to kindly disagree, the league now has far more better athletes than it did then. Now are there too many teams? Yes! But to me there should be like 24 to 25 teams. With the influx of European players and all of the players from around the would the talent pool is clearly bigger than it was back then. You got small forwards who are 6'10 now and you have 7'0 power forwards. The league is different and better than it was back then.To me thats just like saying Babe Ruth would dominate this era, not gonna happen with todays athletes.

Better athletes do not automatically make better basketball players. Blake Griffin is an awesome athlete but he's not a great basketball player yet. Now you can be a great athlete and be a top NBA player but in Wilt's day, you had to be able to play immediately. With only 8 teams, there was no grace period like guys like Dirk Nowitski had when he was drafted to Dallas.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

No, he's just another misguided (and insecure) black supremacist.

That's fuck up you would say that about me....given that fact I want them to give your kind the same marriage right as heterosexual couples....

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

50?!?!?!

Come on fam. The game is totally different. Coaching alone will stop that. One on One yea he would probably drop 50 but is not a one on one game. I bug out now on how high schools are using tape.

coaching could not stop it if he has a good guard that can get him the ball period.
once he gets the ball its over with maybe you don't understand if he touches it in scoring area..its a bucket.

Knew a couple cats in the league and were crazy at 6'9 He would be one of the greats but no way he averages 50....

he had skills to go along with his height. and he competed.
russell and wilt both.

Same thing with every sport brothers are just way stronger faster jump higher all that. Players he played against are not as good as they are today. If we cant agree with that then we just agree to disagree. U can not leave out the pure size of man. Banging against 6'11 - 7'1 every night? He didnt do that.

again
get him the same diet
same equipment
same supplements and we'll see.
or better yet take todays off of them and see what they are.

To the poster who said WNBA team would win

But would be interesting lol. Foreals.

interesting?

yall are just i don't know
women?

there has been 1 woman who could compete with men ever in life
and she couldn't make it in the nba...

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Even if you dont agree, you must accept the fact that Kareem has a great argument.

there is no greatest of all time
but to suggest that kareem wilt and bill wouldn't dominate is just ridiculous

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

You tell me. I suggested you were venturing into trolling territory and you decided to give me your resume and then started trolling. All I can go by is what you put out.

okay I'm bored now

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

Cool.

Not to discredit Wilt and Bill but they did play in the 50s and 60s, in a league where they were really each others competition. Wilt wouldn't average 50 points per game in today's NBA. IMO, Jordan averaging 37 points a game in the 86-87 is more impressive than Wilt's 50 ppg.

With all due respect... I believe that you're guilty of exactly what Kareem is saying. The Celtic team that had the multiple titles had 9 players were were eventually enshrined into the Hall:

Bill Russell
Tom Heinsohn
Clyde Lovellette
John Havlicek
Frank Ramsey
Satch Sanders
Sam Jones
K.C. Jones
Bob Cousy

Wilt had to play against that. There were other teams with multiple HOF players on them as well and there were only 8 teams. The talent was deeper precisely because there were fewer teams. To disrespect Wilt's accomplishments in this manner is unconscionable.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

You tell me. I suggested you were venturing into trolling territory and you decided to give me your resume and then started trolling. All I can go by is what you put out.

okay I'm bored now

 

[Duval's King]

I still think Wilt would be nice in this Era of basketball...He has the height and agility to still be able to reck shit..
You can't just place him in our era with the same skills sets of his era..I think wilt and a few others in that era could adapt/upgrade their skills..

With that being said I dont think wilt would be able to handle Shaq in his prime and The dream would've given him problem also

 

[WattDogs]

interesting?

yall are just i don't know
women?

there has been 1 woman who could compete with men ever in life
and she couldn't make it in the nba...

Who>? Sheryl Swoopes?

 

[BronxBomber]

interesting?

yall are just i don't know
women?

there has been 1 woman who could compete with men ever in life
and she couldn't make it in the nba...

Women cause I dont think he would avg 50 right now? lol

You drinkin kool aid.

8 Teams and they had better athletes and ball players lol.

Could take my last year of Rice team and win some games

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Who>? Sheryl Swoopes?

no
her last name is miller

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

Bullshit...if basketball was equally competitive in those days, how come so many cacs could be stars? The reason why Wilt averaged points is that he played against cacs...If he played now on in the time of MJ, he would barely crack 20 a game, as is the cases with any big man in this day.

What? Are you serious?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Women cause I dont think he would avg 50 right now? lol

You drinkin kool aid.

8 Teams and they had better athletes and ball players lol.

Could take my last year of Rice team and win some games

no i said women because he said that women could compete with the men back then
i wasn't referring to any male as a woman. i don't need to hurl cheap insults like that
basketball history is ammo enough

better athletes than today? i said ONCE AGAIN give them the scientific advantages of today and we'd see

let me put it to you like this
if the nba only had 8 teams today
how many of the useless teams and people would be out of a job?
how can there be more teams and more better players, that can't happen because simply the concentration isn't as dense. the pool is too big...steve blake plays in the nba currently...


sorry but your rice team would go home 0- and probably not put up more than 45 points while giving up 100

you're bigger and stronger and faster
but they could actually play basketball you know shoot, dribble pass defend rebound

if it was a track meet or weight lifting contest you win
in basketball you and rice would go home sad and broken

 

[FJP]

I don't think dude would average 50 because defensive schemes have evolved, Say what you want about todays players but they are bigger and stronger, and physical ability counts for something. Large you keep saying "with todays advances"...you can't add that, you gotta leave it as is, the same way we can't say "If Josh Smith had the technique of Wilt he'd be great" We don't know that. I think Wilt and Russell would be stars in todays game for sure but 50? and all that? No.. Cats would rather foul out nowadays than let you do that. They'd play box and 1 it's ways to slow someone from getting the ball. And I don't care what anybody says Prime Shaq is UNGUARDABLE by anyone in any generation, Those that were tall enough were not big enough and those that were big enough weren't quick enough. The only things that stopped Shaq from winning 5 or 6 titles were poor work ethic and Kobe Bryant.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

I don't think dude would average 50 because defensive schemes have evolved, Say what you want about todays players but they are bigger and stronger, and physical ability counts for something. Large you keep saying "with todays advances"...you can't add that, you gotta leave it as is, the same way we can't say "If Josh Smith had the technique of Wilt he'd be great" We don't know that. I think Wilt and Russell would be stars in todays game for sure but 50? and all that? No.. Cats would rather foul out nowadays than let you do that. They'd play box and 1 it's ways to slow someone from getting the ball. And I don't care what anybody says Prime Shaq is UNGUARDABLE by anyone in any generation, Those that were tall enough were not big enough and those that were big enough weren't quick enough. The only things that stopped Shaq from winning 5 or 6 titles were poor work ethic and Kobe Bryant.

Well, getting swept by Houston didn't help, either.

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

Today's NBA is so water downed due to expansion. Back in Wilts era you never had an off night where you were playing the Toronto Raptors. Every team you played was stacked. Wilt would be the best player in the NBA today by far and have no problem putting up 30 ppg 15 rpg 4 bpg with 4 apg. By the way he didn't face little white boys, every night he faced 6'10 and up , hall of fame centers like Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Kareem, and Nate Thurmond (who is the exact weight and height as Dwight Howard). George Mikan's era was the era of skinny white boys, not Russell and Wilts.

Does this look like a skinny white boy to you?

Everything Kareem said was right, we don't give enough credit to guys who played pre-1980's

Technical Foul for the Illegal Use of Logic and Reason!

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I don't think dude would average 50 because defensive schemes have evolved, Say what you want about todays players but they are bigger and stronger, and physical ability counts for something. Large you keep saying "with todays advances"...you can't add that, you gotta leave it as is, the same way we can't say "If Josh Smith had the technique of Wilt he'd be great" We don't know that

i totally disagree with you
you can say if you give someone the same thing that these current players are taking they'd have the same build as them.
it isn't natural, so therefore you can say it. give wilt and bill supplements etc to go along with what they were naturally given and you get dwight howard
you cannot discount how important supplements and things are to the strength that these players posses.
back then they simply didn't have them so they were as strong as they could be by just lifting weights its not an unreasonable jump to think that if someone who wasn't taking supplements but putting in the same work amount as someone who is currently using supplements used them...they could be just as big and strong

height is a wash remember...these dudes are ALL tall.

I think Wilt and Russell would be stars in todays game for sure but 50? and all that? No.. Cats would rather foul out nowadays than let you do that. They'd play box and 1 it's ways to slow someone from getting the ball. And I don't care what anybody says Prime Shaq is UNGUARDABLE by anyone in any generation, Those that were tall enough were not big enough and those that were big enough weren't quick enough. The only things that stopped Shaq from winning 5 or 6 titles were poor work ethic and Kobe Bryant.

how can they box and 1 if you have other pieces around you to prevent you from doing it?

and kareem from day 1 until his retirment was unguardable by anyone

his shot was the hook
and there will never be a way to stop that shot

he's the scoring leader for a reason more than him playing 20+ years

but think, he was old, couldn't run needed glasses...but could still score the hook at will

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

You'd have a much better chance today with 30 teams (watered down with loads of stiffs) than back then when there were 8 or 12 teams (all stacked with the best players in the world).

Wilt faced Russell a DOZEN times during the regular season (and often another 7 in the post-season)!! The best against the best at all times. The Miami Heat don't even have a center, or a point guard worth a damn.

Another Technical Foul! If I have to talk to you again about using Logic and Reason I'll have to toss you from the game.

 

[Spectrum]

there is no greatest of all time
but to suggest that kareem wilt and bill wouldn't dominate is just ridiculous

they would easily be the best two centers in the league right now..easily...

 

[FJP]

i totally disagree with you
you can say if you give someone the same thing that these current players are taking they'd have the same build as them.
it isn't natural, so therefore you can say it. give wilt and bill supplements etc to go along with what they were naturally given and you get dwight howard
you cannot discount how important supplements and things are to the strength that these players posses.
back then they simply didn't have them so they were as strong as they could be by just lifting weights its not an unreasonable jump to think that if someone who wasn't taking supplements but putting in the same work amount as someone who is currently using supplements used them...they could be just as big and strong

height is a wash remember...these dudes are ALL tall.






how can they box and 1 if you have other pieces around you to prevent you from doing it?

and kareem from day 1 until his retirment was unguardable by anyone

his shot was the hook
and there will never be a way to stop that shot

he's the scoring leader for a reason more than him playing 20+ years

but think, he was old, couldn't run needed glasses...but could still score the hook at will

Keyword OTHER pieces, in a 30 team NBA you might not have those pieces. Look at Dwight in the ATL series, those were damn near Wilt numbers and they got crushed. Kareems hook was unstoppable but the main reason he is scoring leader is playing all those years. Even Wilt said that if he knew Kareem would play that long he would have set the record higher.
It was hard to double team Kareem on those stacked teams. If you give Kareem Dwights Orlando team he'd probably get the same results.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

they would easily be the best two centers in the league right now..easily...

it wouldn't even be close
they would do exactly what they did when they played...which is meet in the finals

people are underestimating how important fundamentals are in basketball

every player today you talk about their physical prowess and athletic ability
but those aren't basketball attributes

gm's today say
oh how much can he bench
how tall is he
how fast if he
how agile is he
ok we'll take him


me
can he shoot?
can he pass?
post up?
box out?
defend?
dribble?
ok NOW what are his athletic abilities




if dwight howard had half the skill that wilt had he could average 40 every night
but he doesn't
so he can't

 

[FJP]

Well, getting swept by Houston didn't help, either.

Shaq was real young then, he was playing off ability then he didn't really get ground till about 96.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Keyword OTHER pieces, in a 30 team NBA you might not have those pieces. Look at Dwight in the ATL series, those were damn near Wilt numbers and they got crushed. Kareems hook was unstoppable but the main reason he is scoring leader is playing all those years. Even Wilt said that if he knew Kareem would play that long he would have set the record higher.
It was hard to double team Kareem on those stacked teams. If you give Kareem Dwights Orlando team he'd probably get the same results.

no you said that they could run a box and 1 and stop him
i said they couldnt run it and he'd dominate

keyword NEAR
and only over a 6 game sample

wilt did it for a season.

your argument wasn't saying they needed help it was about physical build.

kareem played that long because of his skill

he was 40 and had a shot that could get him a bucket and gave him a career.

 

[Blu Diablo]

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

I believe Uconn womens team would dominate.....

WTF? You know what.... i'm not going to even trip. Nothing more needs to be said.

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

Who>? Sheryl Swoopes?

Nah bruh... Cheryl Miller. She was a beast!

 

[Blunt]

Another Technical Foul! If I have to talk to you again about using Logic and Reason I'll have to toss you from the game.

Whatever all that nonsense means. Which part of the concept of comparative competitive standards is too complicated for you??

 

[nATURE BOY]

damn...cats can't have an opinion about shit without someone writing an "open letter"?

 

[Spectrum]

Whatever all that nonsense means. Which part of the concept of comparative competitive standards is too complicated for you??

Damn Blunt. He was actually supporting your argument.

 

[avantastic]

all this atheleticism talk smh only like 6 players in the league have a real jumpshot everybody could shoot back then

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

it wouldn't even be close
they would do exactly what they did when they played...which is meet in the finals

people are underestimating how important fundamentals are in basketball

every player today you talk about their physical prowess and athletic ability
but those aren't basketball attributes

gm's today say
oh how much can he bench
how tall is he
how fast if he
how agile is he
ok we'll take him


me
can he shoot?
can he pass?
post up?
box out?
defend?
dribble?
ok NOW what are his athletic abilities




if dwight howard had half the skill that wilt had he could average 40 every night
but he doesn't
so he can't

Exactly... which is exactly why Tim Duncan is arguably the best power forward to have ever played the game yet wasn't physically imposing. He wasn't called the "Big Fundamental" for nothing. It's difficult if not impossible to discount the fundamentals of the game. All of these younger players who enter the league have difficult succeeding UNTIL they learn the building blocks of the game. A house built on sand will not stand.

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

Whatever all that nonsense means. Which part of the concept of comparative competitive standards is too complicated for you??

Actually my statement to you was a compliment. In essence what I was saying is that since the use of logic and reason is typically lacking here, by interjecting such you are violating the rules of this message board.