Justice League MOVIE Discussion (The SynderCut Drops 3/18/2021)

Also Spider-man has never been an Iron Man fanboy. As far as his doubts and insecurities those things don't go away once you turn 20.
Not trying to get into a back and forth, but in the comics first civil war saga wasn't that basically his job.

That is the reason why it was so important for the MCU to work out a deal with Sony for his usage, because Spidey was (in the comics) a bridge between Tony's plan and cap's insistence on freedom from oversite.
 
In the CW/Arrowverse only Batman/Bruce can be mentioned..Joker and Harley Quinn are completely off-limits,as well as other Batman villains(except for Black Mask) not showing up on Batwoman
wasn't there a Harley on Arrow before the Suicide Squad movie came out. They were gearing up for Suicide Squad arrowverse version. I remember seeing Harley in a cell.
 
Not trying to get into a back and forth, but in the comics first civil war saga wasn't that basically his job.

That is the reason why it was so important for the MCU to work out a deal with Sony for his usage, because Spidey was (in the comics) a bridge between Tony's plan and cap's insistence on freedom from oversite.
In the first Civil War Peter Parker was married to Mary Jane and a PhD candidate and to my knowledge may have respected Tony Stark but wasn't a fanboy.


 
In the first Civil War Peter Parker was married to Mary Jane and a PhD candidate and to my knowledge may have respected Tony Stark but wasn't a fanboy.


sorry he was totally kissing starks ass even to the point of...

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DC is on their third Batman.
Marvel is on their 3rd Spiderman, 3rd Hulk, 2nd Blade, and 4th Fantastic Four. Not sure of your point here.

Franchises reboot all the time. You keep going until you get it right.

A lot of people do not know that Joshua James Brolin was not the original Thanos.

It happens.
 
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What's really fucked up is that now we know that all the films after MOS were butchered by WB to fit their interests. DC's animated movie division is straight fire but we might be losing that kiddy Teen Titian Go type movies soon. :smh:

yeap.... and this is what's killing me...
 
You gotta remember... all of this stuff with the WB Executives happened like 4-5 years ago.
Back in 2017, Marvel was killing the box office back then. :yes:

BTW, 6 Superhero movies came out in 2017.
  • Logan
  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
  • Wonder Woman
  • Spider-Man: Homecoming
  • Thor: Ragnarok
  • and Justice League
These 6 films combined to make more than $4 billion dollars in worldwide box office ticket sales.

And 2017 was Marvel Studios' biggest year in their entire 10 year history, up until to that point.
It was the first time the MCU made more than $2 billion dollars at the box office in a single year.


Btw, all of those movies you hate made a TON of money at the box office:
  • Iron Man 2 made $623 Million
  • Iron Man 3 made $1.2 Billion
  • Avengers: Ultron made $1.4 Billion
  • Black Panther made $1.3 Billion
  • Thor Darkworld made $644 Million
  • Captain Marvel made $1.1 Billion
  • Ant-Man 1 made $519 Million
  • Ant-Man 2 made $622 Million
  • Spider-Man: Homecoming made $1.1 Billion
So the WB Executives were obsessed with 'the global box office money'... not 'how good' the movie is.

So they figure if they just 'copy / paste' certain aspects of Marvel movies (like brighter color palettes)..... they will make the same amount of Marvel money... or at least come close.

That's the whole problem, imo.

Facts.... The problem is that they wanted to rush into this shit....

Man of steel came out .... It made 633 Million but WB didn't have a plan for a franchise. They didn't plan on a Universe. They only planned on starting a universe ONLY if the movie was successful.

Then the problem was instead of dropping a new man of steel or a rebooted batman .... or a wonder woman film...

They jumped right into Batman v Superman..... A movie where not only did they have to use a movie to get the audience into a Superman that they still never showed us Clark Kent the reporter but also a Brand New version of Batman,,,,,,, oh Wonder Woman on the big screen for the first time... and let's also cut end edit major parts out of the movie... so that it doesn't make sense...
BVS felt and looked rushed.... and that was on WB

Then they Jump into a rushed Justice League movie...
 
Marvel is on their 3rd Spiderman, 3rd Hulk, 2nd Blade, and 4th Fantastic Four. Not sure of your point here.

Franchises reboot all the time. You keep going until you get it right.

A lot of people do not know that Joshua James Brolin was not the original Thanos.

It happens.
Marvel films, MARVEL

Spiderman was Sony
X men and FF were fox
Technicality the Hulk is Universal or some shit.

I swear you only use google half the time.

And again, retcons have nothing to do with the spirit of the character.

Peter was Spiderman when he was a Sophomore in high school.
 
Facts.... The problem is that they wanted to rush into this shit....

Man of steel came out .... It made 633 Million but WB didn't have a plan for a franchise. They didn't plan on a Universe. They only planned on starting a universe ONLY if the movie was successful.

Then the problem was instead of dropping a new man of steel or a rebooted batman .... or a wonder woman film...

They jumped right into Batman v Superman..... A movie where not only did they have to use a movie to get the audience into a Superman that they still never showed us Clark Kent the reporter but also a Brand New version of Batman,,,,,,, oh Wonder Woman on the big screen for the first time... and let's also cut end edit major parts out of the movie... so that it doesn't make sense...
BVS felt and looked rushed.... and that was on WB

Then they Jump into a rushed Justice League movie...
Thanks fonzerelli.

Marvel studios is on a 2nd hulk actor, same character, same continuity same Hulk, same universe

Marvel studios is on a 2nd war machine actor. Wash rinse repeat.

They had 2 Fandral actors, wash rinse repeat.

FUCKING Happy, thunderbolt Ross and a bunch of actors are the same since Batman begins. This is the continuity I speak of. The failures like Inhumans will be fixed, but nobody is perfect
 
wasn't there a Harley on Arrow before the Suicide Squad movie came out. They were gearing up for Suicide Squad arrowverse version. I remember seeing Harley in a cell.
There was,but i dont think they mentioned her by name..this was when DC started up their whole BS of "tv shows cant use such and such characters because we're saving them for the big screen".so they killed all those characters off
 
I think its in DC's best interest to leave that universe bullshit alone just make standalone films. Because right now Shazam is well received, WW was, Joker was....Suicide Squad 2 is getting people hyped....just scrap it and make standalone films. No shame in that. And then on the side try to build up a universe. Maybe use the Flash films to start a universe with that but don't build your whole movie franchise around it.
All of thise movies you mentioned is still a shared universe except joker that one is a one off else worlds story a d as also the Batman will be a stand alone else worlds. The dceu is a shared universs iys just not one coheseve story connected through movies like marvel. There's no infinity stones to find etc. In shazam Superman shows up in the end and theres a newspaper headline mentioning the invasion in metropolis. In aquaman the events of justice league ie mentioned by mera. Wonder woman is pretty much q bvs prequel etc. They will most likely reboot with flashpoint because a Superman reboot is in the works. I just hope they learn from their mistakes with 2017 jjstice league.
 
You gotta remember... all of this stuff with the WB Executives happened like 4-5 years ago.
Back in 2017, Marvel was killing the box office back then. :yes:

BTW, 6 Superhero movies came out in 2017.
  • Logan
  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
  • Wonder Woman
  • Spider-Man: Homecoming
  • Thor: Ragnarok
  • and Justice League
These 6 films combined to make more than $4 billion dollars in worldwide box office ticket sales.

And 2017 was Marvel Studios' biggest year in their entire 10 year history, up until to that point.
It was the first time the MCU made more than $2 billion dollars at the box office in a single year.


Btw, all of those movies you hate made a TON of money at the box office:
  • Iron Man 2 made $623 Million
  • Iron Man 3 made $1.2 Billion
  • Avengers: Ultron made $1.4 Billion
  • Black Panther made $1.3 Billion
  • Thor Darkworld made $644 Million
  • Captain Marvel made $1.1 Billion
  • Ant-Man 1 made $519 Million
  • Ant-Man 2 made $622 Million
  • Spider-Man: Homecoming made $1.1 Billion
So the WB Executives were obsessed with 'the global box office money'... not 'how good' the movie is.

So they figure if they just 'copy / paste' certain aspects of Marvel movies (like brighter color palettes)..... they will make the same amount of Marvel money... or at least come close.

That's the whole problem, imo.
No it was deadpools wucces that made Warner move in that direction.
 
Well as someone who has all of Spider-man's comic books on flash drive I can tell you Spider-man spent exactly 33 issues as a teenager. The majority of his run has been as a young adult. Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield actually has portrayed a more accurate Spider-man. Also Spider-man has never been an Iron Man fanboy. As far as his doubts and insecurities those things don't go away once you turn 20.
Not trying to get into a back and forth, but in the comics first civil war saga wasn't that basically his job.

That is the reason why it was so important for the MCU to work out a deal with Sony for his usage, because Spidey was (in the comics) a bridge between Tony's plan and cap's insistence on freedom from oversite.

So the big deal with Civil War and Spiderman joining with Stark is that the rest of the super hero community knew that Spiderman was way more protective of his secret identity than most other heros. So for him to unmask in public as a way to support Stark and the Registration Act was considered a HUGE Deal.

With the MCU they play up the looking up to Stark thing to tie in Stark and the movies to the mcu. In the comics he was fond of Stark and respected his intellect but he wasn't a fan boy like they make him out to be in the movies.

Also in the comics during the time of Civil War he's older than he's portrayed in the MCU. Roughly during Civil War Parker is probably in his mid to late 20s. People are estimating that currently in the comics he's about 30 yrs old.
 
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All of thise movies you mentioned is still a shared universe except joker that one is a one off else worlds story a d as also the Batman will be a stand alone else worlds. The dceu is a shared universs iys just not one coheseve story connected through movies like marvel. There's no infinity stones to find etc. In shazam Superman shows up in the end and theres a newspaper headline mentioning the invasion in metropolis. In aquaman the events of justice league ie mentioned by mera. Wonder woman is pretty much q bvs prequel etc. They will most likely reboot with flashpoint because a Superman reboot is in the works. I just hope they learn from their mistakes with 2017 jjstice league.

It shared a "universe" but it wasn't a emphasis on it. So much so they could be considered standalone films. When they actively went and tried to share universes like B v S, Suicide Squad(you could argue this one though), and Justice League that shit was uneven and got some of the harshest criticism.

Having Superman show up....(wasn't even Henry Cavill) from the neck down and showing a newspaper is hardly what I'd consider "building a universe" or sharing one. That shit was light.
 
It shared a "universe" but it wasn't a emphasis on it. So much so they could be considered standalone films. When they actively went and tried to share universes like B v S, Suicide Squad(you could argue this one though), and Justice League that shit was uneven and got some of the harshest criticism.

Having Superman show up....(wasn't even Henry Cavill) from the neck down and showing a newspaper is hardly what I'd consider "building a universe" or sharing one. That shit was light.
its the same thing as a comedy movie franchise that shares a universe or tv sitcoms. marvel comics isn't dc comics and the mcu isn't the dceu they don't have to be the same. honestly i couldn't sit through another 5 years of set up movies before they got to the justice league and another 5 before they do flash point. i would be in my 50s by then. a lot of you will disagree but i think man of steel and bvs ultimate edition was the perfect set up everybody already knows who batman is and his origin he's just as universal as superman so theres no need for another origin film especially after the nolan films so that little intro with the flashback of his parents getting killed was all that was needed. theres already a flash show and cw shows are like soap operas so a good many people already know his story. after the justice league movie they just go on with the solo movies that explain the charaters fully like wonder woman and aquaman did. then if the snyder verse was still intact they could've gone on to do justice leauge and keep doing movies in an implied shared universe but not necesarilly involved with the whole apokolips story like shazam, black adam etc. i prefer they kept the snyderverse intact because a batman vs deathstoke movie was supposed to happen. i'm not really looking forward to batgirl or a superman reboot with tahnesi coates at the helm.
 
BvS in 4k is currently sold out on Amazon (only shipping from third party seller). The bluray is backordered.
 
Marvel is on their 3rd Spiderman, 3rd Hulk, 2nd Blade, and 4th Fantastic Four. Not sure of your point here.

Franchises reboot all the time. You keep going until you get it right.

A lot of people do not know that Joshua James Brolin was not the original Thanos.

It happens.
stop bullshitting

Sony = 2.5 Spiderman
Fox = 2 F4
Universal = 2 Hulk

Disney /Marvel has yet to reboot any MCU production
 
You should sit through it if the stan alone movies were done well and had good performances and resolutions each time.

All the while there is a bigger arch that we can see forming but aren't sure about.

If you think about it that is your life. You are part of a bigger arch but each day starts and ends.

You haven't met your Thanos yet.


its the same thing as a comedy movie franchise that shares a universe or tv sitcoms. marvel comics isn't dc comics and the mcu isn't the dceu they don't have to be the same. honestly i couldn't sit through another 5 years of set up movies before they got to the justice league and another 5 before they do flash point. i would be in my 50s by then. a lot of you will disagree but i think man of steel and bvs ultimate edition was the perfect set up everybody already knows who batman is and his origin he's just as universal as superman so theres no need for another origin film especially after the nolan films so that little intro with the flashback of his parents getting killed was all that was needed. theres already a flash show and cw shows are like soap operas so a good many people already know his story. after the justice league movie they just go on with the solo movies that explain the charaters fully like wonder woman and aquaman did. then if the snyder verse was still intact they could've gone on to do justice leauge and keep doing movies in an implied shared universe but not necesarilly involved with the whole apokolips story like shazam, black adam etc. i prefer they kept the snyderverse intact because a batman vs deathstoke movie was supposed to happen. i'm not really looking forward to batgirl or a superman reboot with tahnesi coates at the helm.
 
I suggest you re-read my previous post...
I did. You Marvel stans want to Thanos snap all Marvel movies before Kevin F, unless it serves your purpose. By your standard, all the Spiderman movies are not MCU. You guys act like Hulk, which was after the first Iron Man never existing, even though it's being referenced in Falcon and Winter Soldier.

This whole splitting hairs thing is so stupid.

I enjoy both, and acknowledge that the Infinity Stone Saga was well thought out and produced by Marvel. But I also recognize that Marvel still has a long way to go to overtake DC as the king of comic book movies in the grand scheme of things.
 
Stop with the stupid marvel vs dc beefing. None of you work in any capacity for these companiries and I doubt you also own any stocks. So none of you are really winning. Only on the internet does movie watching become a contact sport. I don't see people acting like this in real life.
 
Stop with the stupid marvel vs dc beefing. None of you work in any capacity for these companiries and I doubt you also own any stocks. So none of you are really winning. Only on the internet does movie watching become a contact sport. I don't see people acting like this in real life.
Bruh, you see how they are treating the Godzilla movie right now because of this movie.... And no one has watched it yet?
 
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