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Justice League MOVIE Discussion (The SynderCut Drops 3/18/2021)
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Just take your time with it
Assist.
Snyder did not strip color.
He uses a low saturation (ie muted) color palette. That's all.
Zach Snyder tends to use very low saturation color palettes in order to elicit certain emotions from the audience.
It's a big part of the way he tells a story, on film.
Snyder's movies all have a consistent 'signature look', when it comes to tonality.
His choice of color palette harkens back to the roots of Detective Comics & old-school filmmaking.
Christopher Nolan introduced a more grimy version of Batman when he made The Dark Knight trilogy.
And Christopher Nolan is one of the Executive Producers of JL.
So Snyder continues Nolan's tonality choices by increasing the film grain & using muted color palettes. He keeps the visual tones consistent so that the audience will tend to believe that Superman and The Dark Knight could exist in the same city, at the same time.
Fabian Wagner (Cinematographer for Justice League) revealed that when Snyder left the JL movie back in 2017... Warner Bros. Executives purposefully changed the color palette of the completed film so it could achieve a lighter tone, in an effort to duplicate the 'tonality' of Marvel movies.
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The problem is that this will be like the third maybe fourth time that they have rebooted their franchises ......
Everything just seems disjointed now...
Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Suicide Squad .... All have characters and stories that have been part of the Snyderverse.
Aquaman made a Billion --- so that's not getting rebooted.
Wonder Woman (outside of the last movie) .... Has been well received ... You can't reboot that.
Technically I guess you could use the Flash Movie to pull a New 52...
But the problem with DC is that nobody has any faith that they will follow through with their plans.
And in the Science Fiction\ Superhero business ... You don't watch if you don't think there's going to be a conclusion...
A good example would be the current state of the Syfy channel...
Like DC .... Fan support for the Syfy Channel was at an all time low after Battlestar Galactica ended. They cancelled great shows like Alphas and Stargate Universe while keeping Ghosthunters and wrestling ...
No one watched their shit because you knew not to get invested if a show that was going to end without a conclusion ....
Then suddenly Syfy changed bringing new shit in or renewing shows like 12 monkeys, Warehouse 13, and Haven ... to let them have a true ending...
All of a Sudden people were like... Ok Syfy ..... I'll now start watching your Original Shows because now it looks like you will give the series a chance to grow.... So shit like Dark Matter, Continuum, Killjoys, the Expanse, the Magicians .... came out to rave reviews... Maybe not insane numbers but good numbers for Syfy
And then that all Changed when Syfy cancelled Dark Matter and the Expanse for no reason ....... All of that good will left the building and people stopped giving a shit about Syfy again ..
That's why good shit like Deadly Class and Krypton .. never made it... Everyone knew they were going to get cancelled
Now the only show that Syfy has ... is Resident Alien and two other shows that are ending this year...
The Syfy channel is pretty much a walking corpse...
I'm bringing this up .... because unless WB gets their shit together and sticks to a plan .... the only franchise that they will have will be Batman and as much as I love Batman .... I've grown tired of the constant reboots.
DC has all of these amazing fucking God like characters and they continue to do absolutely shit with them on the Big screen.
Like I would kill for a Wetworks movie....
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Man I was like why the fuck they put him in that hoe just take him completely out then. Hated that character. Whedon fucked him over.
Assist.
Snyder did not strip color.
He uses a low saturation (ie muted) color palette. That's all.
Zach Snyder tends to use very low saturation color palettes in order to elicit certain emotions from the audience.
It's a big part of the way he tells a story, on film.
Snyder's movies all have a consistent 'signature look', when it comes to tonality.
His choice of color palette harkens back to the roots of Detective Comics & old-school filmmaking.
Christopher Nolan introduced a more grimy version of Batman when he made The Dark Knight trilogy.
And Christopher Nolan is one of the Executive Producers of JL.
So Snyder continues Nolan's tonality choices by increasing the film grain & using muted color palettes. He keeps the visual tones consistent so that the audience will tend to believe that Superman and The Dark Knight could exist in the same city, at the same time.
Fabian Wagner (Cinematographer for Justice League) revealed that when Snyder left the JL movie back in 2017... Warner Bros. Executives purposefully changed the color palette of the completed film so it could achieve a lighter tone, in an effort to duplicate the 'tonality' of Marvel movies.
Lowering the saturation is stripping the color off a film. I Get why he does it. I don't get WHY he's doing it though.
I think its in DC's best interest to leave that universe bullshit alone just make standalone films. Because right now Shazam is well received, WW was, Joker was....Suicide Squad 2 is getting people hyped....just scrap it and make standalone films. No shame in that. And then on the side try to build up a universe. Maybe use the Flash films to start a universe with that but don't build your whole movie franchise around it.
Fam I knew that shit was 4hrs long going in. Figured I would watch at least half at a time. Ended up watching the whole thing. Not the best movie by far but it goes deep into every member.
I was just bustin' his chops. All in fun.Don't hold back tell us how you really feel.
Gonna watch 1/2 tonight and the other half whenever I get a chance.
New DC Fan Movement #RestoreTheSnyderVerse Trends, Hits 1 Million Tweets
After the release of Zack Snyder's Justice League, DC fans are backing a new social media campaign to #RestoreTheSnyderVerse.
DiscussingFilm announced that the hashtag to "Restore the SnyderVerse" hit a major milestone when it was spotted trending worldwide with over one million tweets calling for Warner Bros. to allow Snyder to finish his DC Extended Universe plan. More SnyderVerse supporters joined the movement in the aftermath of Snyder's Justice League, which debuted on HBO Max on March 18, 2021.
The Snyder cut itself was released after a legion of fans coalesced into an online collective that, ultimately, a major motion picture studio could not ignore, resulting, in part, with the studio giving them exactly what they demanded by greenlighting Snyder's version of Justice League, the movie he began but which Joss Whedon finished after Snyder left the project.
As many DC fans already know, the planned Justice League trilogy is no longer happening, even though the newly released Snyder cut ends on a massive cliffhanger. Snyder has already explained why the film sets up a direct sequel that is now not likely to happen, despite having ideas on how the potential trilogy could have ended with a shock new superhero, and much, much more.
Plot rumors about Snyder's Justice League 2 have circulated for years, with Kevin Smith claiming the sequel would have seen the superheroes traveling to Apokolips to confront Darkseid. There was even chatter the second film would have ended on a downbeat note in the vein of Empire Strikes Back, while a third and final film would have been the final end battle between the Justice League and Darkseid.
For now, though, we have four hours of Snyder's Justice League to sit and dissect, with extended fight scenes, a different aspect ratio, new character designs, and deleted scenes to examine. IGN has put together a breakdown of how the new iteration of the film differs from Whedon's theatrical version of Justice League from 2017, including how much of the film is presented in slow motion.
New DC Fan Movement #RestoreTheSnyderVerse Trends, Hits 1 Million Tweets - IGN
After the release of Zack Snyder's Justice League, DC fans are backing a new social media campaign to #RestoreTheSnyderVerse.www.ign.com
AT&T going to end up cleaning house WB letting alot of money go on top of losing alot already
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/hbo-max-reportedly-interested-pursuing-snyderverse-wb/
AT&T going to end up cleaning house WB letting alot of money go on top of losing alot already
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/hbo-max-reportedly-interested-pursuing-snyderverse-wb/
This is fucking crazy.... Yet I believe it. HBO is one of the few spots that would absolutely put 110 to 200 million on a Movie and have that bitch looking like it needs to be on IMAX and it looks like the Snydercut is drawing huge numbers ...
What I don't get is why WB's so against just ending his vision.
I would agree with this if the previous stand alone films didn't reference things that happened in other movies ...
If they really wanted to just start over..... then I would have never caved to the audience pressure and released the Snyder version of the film... especially knowing that it would be so different from the 2017 version..
My gut is that they internally hoped that A) The Critics would savagely review the movie. and B) Audiences wouldn't want to sit through a 4hr long movie even at home...
I honestly think that they felt like .... it would be received as OK then people would move on.
Well it's a week since this thing dropped and it is still heavily on my timeline and it has increased since WB said they are done.
I do agree that Flash is the best way to start a new universe ...... but after seeing what Zach wanted to do... I think the noise is going to continue to grow for it to happen.
I'm cool either way .... but what I want is for WB to fucking commit to something and stick with it.
They have this great model going on in the WB animated Division and it is blowing my mind that they just can't do the same thing on the big screen.
Even the TV division is doing an amazing job with world building.
AT&T going to end up cleaning house WB letting alot of money go on top of losing alot already
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/hbo-max-reportedly-interested-pursuing-snyderverse-wb/
AT&T need to get rid of hamada and sarnoff
Restoring The Snyderverse: Inside The Civil War Between WarnerMedia And HBO Max
People keep asking me what is going on exactly over at WarnerMedia and HBO Max and what's happening with the SnyderVerse post Snydercut.
I’ve been asked by a number of people over the last few days to clarify what is going on exactly over at WarnerMedia and HBO Max
The truth of the matter is, the hierarchy over at WarnerMedia is a mess.
There are too many people in high-up positions and they’re all jostling for full control.
It’s actually been getting worse since the Ann Sarnoff interview, and that’s because there’s a rift within WarnerMedia itself.
People have been asking why Jason Kilar hasn’t said anything since the release of the Snydercut.
To cut a long article short, it’s because there’s been a gagging order within WarnerMedia itself.
Unless they’re approved by the company’s (WarnerMedia in this case) lawyers and PR ‘experts’, then they cannot make any public statement.
This includes any sort of message on Twitter celebrating the release of Zack Snyder’s Justice League and thanking Zack himself.
Those are the names I want to focus on here because they are the ones that matter: Emmerich, Kilar, Sarnoff, Hamada and Bloys.
This is the round table that Sarnoff was talking about, and now, in order to get anything major green-lit, all these parties need to agree.
This is the civil war over at WarnerMedia: There’s Team Snyderverse on one side, and Team Hamadaverse on the other.
Emmerich, Sarnoff and Hamada are very much in favour of working more with Bad Robot and J.J. Abrams.
They want to explore that avenue more as far as the future of DC is concerned.
Then, you have Kilar and Bloys on the other side who are trying to get the others to let them carry on the Snyderverse as HBO Max exclusives.
They see the potential the Snyderverse has, but the others just want to let the past die and move on and away from Snyder specifically.
This is why we’ve seen very little marketing for Zack Snyder’s Justice League.
This is why we saw Snyder going on YouTube channel after YouTube channel promoting his own movie."
More at the link
What's really fucked up is that now we know that all the films after MOS were butchered by WB to fit their interests. DC's animated movie division is straight fire but we might be losing that kiddy Teen Titian Go type movies soon.
DC will have to Flashpoint WW1984, Birds of Prey, Shazam and some other shits if they want a "Snyder Verse." The tone and flow of these movies aren't even close.
They tried to Marvel them shits up as well as force feed character arcs. Cyborg needed his own movie. Most fans already know Aquaman and the Flash.What's really fucked up is that now we know that all the films after MOS were butchered by WB to fit their interests. DC's animated movie division is straight fire but we might be losing that kiddy Teen Titian Go type movies soon.
WB suits were not going to invest 15-20 minutes of screen time in a 2 hour movie on a character they had no real interest in promoting.
Assist.
Snyder did not strip color.
He uses a low saturation (ie muted) color palette. That's all.
Zach Snyder tends to use very low saturation color palettes in order to elicit certain emotions from the audience.
It's a big part of the way he tells a story, on film.
Snyder's movies all have a consistent 'signature look', when it comes to tonality.
His choice of color palette harkens back to the roots of Detective Comics & old-school filmmaking.
Christopher Nolan introduced a more grimy version of Batman when he made The Dark Knight trilogy.
And Christopher Nolan is one of the Executive Producers of JL.
So Snyder continues Nolan's tonality choices by increasing the film grain & using muted color palettes. He keeps the visual tones consistent so that the audience will tend to believe that Superman and The Dark Knight could exist in the same city, at the same time.
Fabian Wagner (Cinematographer for Justice League) revealed that when Snyder left the JL movie back in 2017... Warner Bros. Executives purposefully changed the color palette of the completed film so it could achieve a lighter tone, in an effort to duplicate the 'tonality' of Marvel movies.
What's these muthafucking executives obsession with Marvel movies? Marvel movies are becoming a formula and stale. Iron Man 2 and 3 sucked, Avengers Ultron was hot garbage, Black Panther in my opinion wasn't good, Thor Darkworld wasn't good, Captain Marvel was hot garbage, Ant-Man 1 and 2 was meh, they made Spiderman into a whiny kid "Mr Stark this" "Mr. Stark that"
I just think it’s a waste of time emulating Marvel. Do your own shit find your own lane in this business.
You gotta remember... all of this stuff with the WB Executives happened like 4-5 years ago.
Back in 2017, Marvel was killing the box office back then.
BTW, 6 Superhero movies came out in 2017.
- Logan
- Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
- Wonder Woman
- Spider-Man: Homecoming
- Thor: Ragnarok
- and Justice League
And 2017 was Marvel Studios' biggest year in their entire 10 year history, up until to that point.
It was the first time the MCU made more than $2 billion dollars at the box office in a single year.
Btw, all of those movies you hate made a TON of money at the box office:
- Iron Man 2 made $623 Million
- Iron Man 3 made $1.2 Billion
- Avengers: Ultron made $1.4 Billion
- Black Panther made $1.3 Billion
- Thor Darkworld made $644 Million
- Captain Marvel made $1.1 Billion
- Ant-Man 1 made $519 Million
- Ant-Man 2 made $622 Million
- Spider-Man: Homecoming made $1.1 Billion
So they figure if they just 'copy / paste' certain aspects of Marvel movies (like brighter color palettes)..... they will make the same amount of Marvel money... or at least come close.
That's the whole problem, imo.
Interesting list....BP is probably my favorite up there but I really enjoyed Ant Man 1 and 2....I know their budgets are a lot lower than the other Marvel films but they are much better than some of those movies up there.You gotta remember... all of this stuff with the WB Executives happened like 4-5 years ago.
Back in 2017, Marvel was killing the box office back then.
BTW, 6 Superhero movies came out in 2017.
These 6 films combined to make more than $4 billion dollars in worldwide box office ticket sales.
- Logan
- Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
- Wonder Woman
- Spider-Man: Homecoming
- Thor: Ragnarok
- and Justice League
And 2017 was Marvel Studios' biggest year in their entire 10 year history, up until to that point.
It was the first time the MCU made more than $2 billion dollars at the box office in a single year.
Btw, all of those movies you hate made a TON of money at the box office:
So the WB Executives were obsessed with 'the global box office money'... not 'how good' the movie is.
- Iron Man 2 made $623 Million
- Iron Man 3 made $1.2 Billion
- Avengers: Ultron made $1.4 Billion
- Black Panther made $1.3 Billion
- Thor Darkworld made $644 Million
- Captain Marvel made $1.1 Billion
- Ant-Man 1 made $519 Million
- Ant-Man 2 made $622 Million
- Spider-Man: Homecoming made $1.1 Billion
So they figure if they just 'copy / paste' certain aspects of Marvel movies (like brighter color palettes)..... they will make the same amount of Marvel money... or at least come close.
That's the whole problem, imo.
Rumor is that Syfy may end up becoming the new G4 channel..
WB problem is they want the Billion dollar blockbusters like Marvel but don't want to take the time to do it, greed is the shadow over WB, cause the Synder Cut is going to make alot of executive's even more knit picky to show they know what their doing. I don't have any high hopes with upcoming DC movie after WW84 you can see the direction shit is going they already changed the Black Adam script the Rock wrote The Batman getting the fuck tweaked out of it, we will see what happens.You gotta remember... all of this stuff with the WB Executives happened like 4-5 years ago.
Back in 2017, Marvel was killing the box office back then.
BTW, 6 Superhero movies came out in 2017.
These 6 films combined to make more than $4 billion dollars in worldwide box office ticket sales.
- Logan
- Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
- Wonder Woman
- Spider-Man: Homecoming
- Thor: Ragnarok
- and Justice League
And 2017 was Marvel Studios' biggest year in their entire 10 year history, up until to that point.
It was the first time the MCU made more than $2 billion dollars at the box office in a single year.
Btw, all of those movies you hate made a TON of money at the box office:
So the WB Executives were obsessed with 'the global box office money'... not 'how good' the movie is.
- Iron Man 2 made $623 Million
- Iron Man 3 made $1.2 Billion
- Avengers: Ultron made $1.4 Billion
- Black Panther made $1.3 Billion
- Thor Darkworld made $644 Million
- Captain Marvel made $1.1 Billion
- Ant-Man 1 made $519 Million
- Ant-Man 2 made $622 Million
- Spider-Man: Homecoming made $1.1 Billion
So they figure if they just 'copy / paste' certain aspects of Marvel movies (like brighter color palettes)..... they will make the same amount of Marvel money... or at least come close.
That's the whole problem, imo.
dont know much about these things but can anyone Give me a brief ?
Lol, don't you understand that Spider "Man" was 16 years old when he started. That's why real Marvel fans love Tom's version of the character. He was a kid in the beginning and full of doubts and teenage insecurities.
Marvel nailed it and the fans responded.
Since Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy and the first Iron Man Marvel changed Banner and War machine actors, and DC is on their third Batman. That's a continuity problem.
Well as someone who has all of Spider-man's comic books on flash drive I can tell you Spider-man spent exactly 33 issues as a teenager. The majority of his run has been as a young adult. Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield actually has portrayed a more accurate Spider-man. Also Spider-man has never been an Iron Man fanboy. As far as his doubts and insecurities those things don't go away once you turn 20.
one part i didn't like was Aquaman being suspicious of Cyborg. That part didn't make sense to me. Steppenwolf took the other 2 boxes and Cyborg shows up with the 3rd after helping yall fight against him. If he was setting them (the justice league) up, what was his plan? that scene just made no sense to me, maybe i missed something.
good points!You gotta remember... all of this stuff with the WB Executives happened like 4-5 years ago.
Back in 2017, Marvel was killing the box office back then.
BTW, 6 Superhero movies came out in 2017.
These 6 films combined to make more than $4 billion dollars in worldwide box office ticket sales.
- Logan
- Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
- Wonder Woman
- Spider-Man: Homecoming
- Thor: Ragnarok
- and Justice League
And 2017 was Marvel Studios' biggest year in their entire 10 year history, up until to that point.
It was the first time the MCU made more than $2 billion dollars at the box office in a single year.
Btw, all of those movies you hate made a TON of money at the box office:
So the WB Executives were obsessed with 'the global box office money'... not 'how good' the movie is.
- Iron Man 2 made $623 Million
- Iron Man 3 made $1.2 Billion
- Avengers: Ultron made $1.4 Billion
- Black Panther made $1.3 Billion
- Thor Darkworld made $644 Million
- Captain Marvel made $1.1 Billion
- Ant-Man 1 made $519 Million
- Ant-Man 2 made $622 Million
- Spider-Man: Homecoming made $1.1 Billion
So they figure if they just 'copy / paste' certain aspects of Marvel movies (like brighter color palettes)..... they will make the same amount of Marvel money... or at least come close.
That's the whole problem, imo.
Another one to factor in there were a bunch of WB execs who were do nice bonuses for Justice league to come out on time. So it didn't matter that Zack's daughter died or that Joss was taking over a project that was nowhere near his vision set, they just wanted a movie that met the deadline and came in under 2 hrs
Pattinson's Batman is a stand-alone movie like Joker
Yes, and in the MCU he's in high school and Tony Stark is the man. In the Comics, Ironman was a B/C list character and not nearly as smart as Banner, Pym, Richards, Doom and others.
So it makes sense in the MCU for a young inventor to look up to Stark.
As a person with a couple hundred Hulk Books there's no way the Gauntlet would have permanently disfigured him, or he not getting a huge power boost from all that gamma radiation, but the books and movies don't follow all the same rules.
Exactly
How can you hope the fans follow stand alone Joker and Batman movies, but then have another Joker and Batman in another series, and then another universe on TV?
DC needs to get their shit together cause the Snyder universe fail fucked them over
In the CW/Arrowverse only Batman/Bruce can be mentioned..Joker and Harley Quinn are completely off-limits,as well as other Batman villains(except for Black Mask) not showing up on Batwoman
I thought that shit was so powerful I had a discussion with my wife (who know nothing about the DC universe) about how Kevin Coster played the fuck out of this character. He made him a man of true integrity.
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