Joe singing Hello by Adele ...now this is proof
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the brother from Zimbabwe just killed it
better than Joe
This is RnB thats not getting pushed.
Lol at "better songs"
There are Black people singing songs like this. They don't even get noticed by Black people. And White people ain't gonna take notice to Black people who Black people ain't even gonna look at.
Your example betrays your point. If Joes sang the shit out of it as you say, then this version of the song would get more noticed. It won't.
There are Black people singing songs like this. They don't even get noticed by Black people. And White people ain't gonna take notice to Black people who Black people ain't even gonna look at.
Your example betrays your point. If Joes sang the shit out of it as you say, then this version of the song would get more noticed. It won't.
This is on facebook. It blows both Joe and Adele away... Pls embed. I don't know how to.
https://www.facebook.com/thejazzsafari/videos/10208107012701968/
https://www.facebook.com/thejazzsafari/videos/10208107012701968/
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Stop it with the R&b singers wanting to be rappers bullshit. Like their aren't hundreds of black singers who haven't gone the traditional route who get no love from mainstream audiences. I just went to a concert last night here in Hampton VA with Brian Mcknight Anthony Hamilton LaLah Hathaway and Tank.
she still not touching Joe's rendition.
However, I do wish Whitney was alive.....she woulda killed this shit
please no!! Write better songs!!
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truth to this ^^
ive been witness to these kinds of sessions before!^ i completely agree. This should def be done. Because as a songwriter who learned from listening to the motown era, i write serious songs. But when i've submitted em for black artists, i've been told to dumb down the lyrics. I've had two a&r's tell me the same thing, but turn around and ask for the song as is for a white artist. This let me know it's all by design. This is why the biggest r&b/soul singer in the game right now is sam smith. It's sickening. but when i ask if they want a white singer to reference (demo) it (like is required for any pop records), they say no, a black singer is fine. They want it like that to study the runs, riffs, and delivery. All the while giving our artists a cookie cutter barage of bullshi
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Shit is comical when u think of it
this is what i felt, its only getting burn becos its white girls savior adele, i have no beef with her but its the truth,angie stone singin that song would get 500k atmost in 1yr on yt
thank u sir ^^^^
u see, u have a point and we are almost saying the same thing but u cant compare the trite bs that trey songs does to adele's songwriting team, now ,trey sings soul while adele sings adopted-soulish-pop-balladry but u cant tell me trey songs team is writing great r&b songs, not like adeles teams is better but they atleast stay within what they know to the limit of their limited ability,
i get my soul/r&b from indie sources anyway.. I actually dig new coultrain album/
erro/
thundercat's record(tho its more nujazz btu its so dope/
on the fence with leon bridges ,
dont care for weeknd 1mode note style (liked house of balloons, it plays out quick tho)
bj the chicago kid/
I'm not comparing Adele to Trey songs.
I'm
Glad you corrected yourself and added Erro and others to the mix.
Avery Sunshine is killing the "urban/ac" world right now with quality songs. No one cares.
A Black lady named Eska from the UK just dropped something I see lots of music critics going goo goo over.
I guarantee you no one will pick it up in the white world.
And these artists do what they have to do despite all that.
Kindred, David Ryan harris, and I can name you a million other songwriters you've probably never heard of. You mentioned quite a few already. No one cares in the larger world. Stop shitting on Black artists and go support the ones you like.
Again, people like Trey songs are who is getting exposure in the Black mainstream market because hiphop is what's trending in that market and he's young enough to play around in that and get seen. He WOULD try something different if there were some indication that he would be rewarded for it, but all signs indicate the opposite.
Jill Scott just dropped. She will NEVER sell what Adele sells and when she sings a song like Adele the Black market says it's too slow. When Adele drops, it's "refreshing" and they've never heard such amazing songwriting lol.
The Black radio will support their music, and the white market won't reciprocate.
R Kelly gonna do a cover. Can't see him letting Joe get all of this praise for too long.
Raheem Devaughn is my fav male RnB of the last decade. Aint nobody fucking with him in my opinion.
He said nigga , not nigg$r baby boy.
2 different words. As shown by your censorship on this board.
If I type ******, bam, edited. If I call Eewwll my nigga. Just like real world politics. I call dudes I love my nigga all day. Fix the board to edit nigga also then & its moot.
You hear ******, I dont.
PS Thats Fox real house in Hidden Valley. Dope spread. They use this house before Fox bought it to film all of those old Capital One commercials on the land out back with the barbarians years ago.
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No the hell Kem doesn't. Extremely weak song and lyric writing and give Al Jarreau back his singing style.
You picked a horrible example to make your point.
You have nailed why "he didnt go pop" & rep R&B on a wider scale.
He has a following in adult contemporary. Rusty cats love him, particularly from the church. He has his lane & he would have gotten more exposure if say Arsenio was still on air. Thats why Arsenio show was important.
Kem will never get a spot on Jimmy Kimmel or Fallon.
Avenues are important. If your street gets blocked,you might need waze for exposure.
You need WD40 for elbows & knees. You wont get it.
The R&B is chart different these days for Black artist. James Brown & the JB's, Earth Wind, The SOS Band, Toni Tony Tone, are nowhere to be found.
R&B is cultivated on the same programming model as hip hop now.
Who's fault is that ?
Name a great R&B "band" that is contemporary ?
The R&B chart is the new hip hop chart. Because the hip hop chart really aint moving nothing but singles.
What you like you better BUY. Because the chart is ruled by sales. A&R is a lost art. Its about finding a bubbling act & promoting it. Fuck investing, penny stocks.
#1 R&B song in the USA this week.
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Program & slaps some lyrics on it. Campbell soup R&B vs slow cooked gumbo. Whats really going to be better. I agree old school is better. But things aint going to change in the digital age.
The biggest DJ's make more than the biggest artist. Calvin Harris, Tiesto, Dave G, they all out gross every artist except Taylor SWift.
Where is the next Earth Wind & Fire going to come from ? A band that is not playing major hours with some financial support are going to have a hard time making it these days.
Rock & roll is dead for the same reason.
What great Rock Band is killing it right now ??? Exactly, same fate as R&B. It takes thousands of hours to become Earth Wind & Fire. Songs are made in 20 minutes now. Its the game.
EDM, hip hop, programmed pop is ruling the roost.
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Yea. But i think you're missing the point. This doesnt address or refute the earlier point you responded to by posting usher/cb/ross song. Thats what im saying. You're kinda all over the place, providing irrelevant factoids, without actually responding to the actual point being made.
Props 2 Joe
Use to bump this shit in a 67 Stang with four 12 EV's, I should have never sold.
I remember pulling up to Geoffrey's Inner circle on a good night in the late 90'z with a town legend shotgun.
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Use to bump this shit in a 67 Stang with four 12 EV's, I should have never sold.
I remember pulling up to Geoffrey's Inner circle on a good night in the late 90'z with a town legend shotgun.
Slumping this...
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R&B has evolved as it does with the artist closest to the street. From Bebop to doo wop to hip hop.
And an UK white girl with a great voice singing classic R&B & selling more records & making more money is no different than when The Rolling Stones did it & became legends
Things change & stay the same.
I think most of us agree if Joe sang the song "first" he would just be covered later by a white artist that make him a footnote. History says so.
There is no singular point of view. History is the lesson. Did Donald Trump( Who is running for President) just not mimic Drake & his #1 song.
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I dont think so. Not in the sense you seem to think atleast. I think traditional leaning R&B is still being made. I just think pop and hip hop sing songy melodies runs the charts now. Thats why i said the post of yours which i quoted was a bad example. It wasnt even R&B. Now, if you would have posted that Weeknd clip with the same quote then i would have felt differently.
I would say devolved. Or other words like "diluted" or "watered down".
If by "evolve" you mean something like, "to develop by natural processes to a higher state", then I would say that is a false statement in this case.
R&B is music - first and foremost. It's not great musicianship that in the last 20+ years is responsible for the kinds of songs that have topped the charts. It's the corporate conglomerate that for economic reasons decided first to favor producers and prefabricated singing groups over bands or singing groups/w bands.
Then, they decided it would be even more economical to utilize non-musicians altogether (DJs) as well as non-musician producers (like Pharrell) to produce easy - as you said "fast food" tracks. Both legit songwriters AND musicians were largely cut out of the equation. Simple song structures gained popularity at one point because they were more easily remixed and more money could be made off of the remix - but the musicality suffered...thus things are different now, yes, but definitely a devolution, musically and artistically.
And let us not forget, that because of the corporate takeover of radio stations, disc jockeys - er...on air personalities no longer have the freedom to "break a song". They are given pre-made playlists and must play those songs a certain number of times a day. And things become popular as a result - constant radio play. This is why (and the only reason why)for example, Iggy Azalea blew up - not off of her talent and not off of there being a public demand to hear more of her. Because before an agenda was created to bomb the airwaves with her, Iggy was languishing at the bottom of the charts. She, like many current performers, was created by the corporate machine.
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You are right. It all has become more condensed.
But thats evolution in the sense that a mass model to cook slower wont become the wider model again. At least not on a widely supported scale.
Speed rules.
Mickey D'z & Subway dont have the most store fronts, because they are best. Easily adaptable models to flooding the market is why. Chipotle is running into the same issue with the carintas shortage & now a ecoli outbreak. The model is spread the good news, before the reality sets in. Program!
Microsoft Windows, Coca Cola, poorly made American cars until recently etc.
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...Unless the public sees through the bullshit and demands it - which given the power of social media, is entirely possible.
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