Jerry Jones - "Deion Could've Stopped Megatron"

[largebillsonlyplease]

:eek seriously?? Theres probably not a player alive or dead who did a better job of avoiding contact

avoiding contact is not the same as not being able to tackle

Personally Deion was very overrated he got his interceptions and pick 6's but he hated to tackle and hit his speed helped his game and the media overhyping him made Deion who he was but bonefide great corner i didn't see it..JMO

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ask the wr and coordinators and qb's if he was overrated

they saw it every sunday and sometimes mondays and saturdays

 

[Spectrum]

but bonefide great corner i didn't see it..JMO

This is madness. OCs used to change their play books because of Deion. Except for San Fran and Dallas, teams would pretty much just not throw to his side of the field.....not just to his man, they would literally just not throw to this side of the field. I don't think you understand the kind of effect that has on the defense...how much it opens up things for everyone else when you literally don't have to worry about passes being thrown to one side of the field..

there are very few players in league history who commanded that type of respect

challenging Deion was enough to get QB benched and OCs fired... his stats would be crazy if OCs actually went in his direction..it makes it even yarded to rack up tackles and INT when you aren't seeing much action.

 

[Backshot Bully]

:eek seriously?? Theres probably not a player alive or dead who did a better job of avoiding contact

It's funny (NO CRAZY) how someone can call themselves a cowbitch fan and not know this

Personally Deion was very overrated he got his interceptions and pick 6's but he hated to tackle and hit his speed helped his game and the media overhyping him made Deion who he was but bonefide great corner i didn't see it..JMO

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Deion didn't want to tackle but i can't go as far as calling him overrated

 

[Better]

This is madness. OCs used to change their play books because of Deion. Except for San Fran and Dallas, teams would pretty much just not throw to his side of the field.....not just to his man, they would literally just not throw to this side of the field. I don't think you understand the kind of effect that has on the defense...how much it opens up things for everyone else when you literally don't have to worry about passes being thrown to one side of the field..

there are very few players in league history who commanded that type of respect

challenging Deion was enough to get QB benched and OCs fired... his stats would be crazy if OCs actually went in his direction..it makes it even yarded to rack up tackles and INT when you aren't seeing much action.

Damn.

That is crazy. A whole side of the field shut down 'cause of one dude?

Yeah.

When you think about it's like calling Shaq overrated 'cause he couldn't shoot freethrows totally overlooking the fact that dude was so dominant teams at times sent two players and a floater.

 

[Spectrum]

Damn.

That is crazy. A whole side of the field shut down 'cause of one dude?

Yeah.

When you think about it's like calling Shaq overrated 'cause he couldn't shoot freethrows totally overlooking the fact that dude was so dominant teams at times sent two players and a floater.

Man... there are a rare few cases where some people are so fucking good + freakishly blessed with a rare gift (speed, massive size + agility, etc)that it makes their major flaws irrelevant... I mean major flaws that would cripple others.

like a guy who got mentioned in this thread. Randy Moss was THE one-trick pony at WR. He didn't go over the middle, couldn't run routes, didn't block, etc... he did shit that would get most WRs cut .... but he was by far the best WR ever at stretching the field. A defensive coordinator had to change their entire defensive scheme because of his ONE other-worldy talent.

You know someone is great when you know exactly what they are going to do and you just can't stop it.

 

[alexw]

damn this thread has went full retard...im out!

 

[RoadRage]

Dion was the best corner, hands down... He was so good that he used to play with receivers baiting them making them believe they were open so the qb could throw the ball his way.. Most teams never took the bait and refused to even look his direction... The reason for the low amount of tackles, is because playing for both the 9ers and Cowboys, Dion was involved in some of the biggest lopsided games ever, and most of the time he was out during the 4th and by the 2nd teams would be so far behind that they stopped running..
Megatron is great, and had a great game, but he is not Rice or Moss in his prime..

 

[darth frosty]

Such heroic nonsense....

Well played good sir!!!!!!

Well played

 

[unknownsoldier]

I would say Megatron and Moss would son Deion especially miss in his prime

MNF 99 or 00...the game Emmitt had 150 in the first half & broke his hand scoring a TD was the only time Deion saw moss as a Cowboy. Moss didn't get open, they even threw him a jump ball to which Deion batted down.

CJ is a different subject, he's so tall...but I don't doubt Prime.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

39 tackles in 14 seasons

http://www.nfl.com/player/deionsanders/2502820/profile

This stat is 100% WRONG!!!!

While teams did learn to run directly @ Deion because he shied away from taking on pulling linemen, he pulled his own weight, especially as his career went on and to stop teams from ALWAYS running @ him!

He shows 492 career tackles, I didn't bother to check each page, but hopefully someone else found this mistake!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SandDe00.htm

 

[unknownsoldier]

Man... there are a rare few cases where some people are so fucking good + freakishly blessed with a rare gift (speed, massive size + agility, etc)that it makes their major flaws irrelevant... I mean major flaws that would cripple others.

like a guy who got mentioned in this thread. Randy Moss was THE one-trick pony at WR. He didn't go over the middle, couldn't run routes, didn't block, etc... he did shit that would get most WRs cut .... but he was by far the best WR ever at stretching the field. A defensive coordinator had to change their entire defensive scheme because of his ONE other-worldy talent.

You know someone is great when you know exactly what they are going to do and you just can't stop it.

Slow down E...my boy played in Oakland with him a couple years & got scorched by him in NE. Just because he didn't do it, doesn't mean he couldn't. Why waste the greatest stretch the field threat underneath?? Especially when a HOF underneath WR is on the other side of the field & an all pro receiver in the slot???

 

[alexw]

MNF 99 or 00...the game Emmitt had 150 in the first half & broke his hand scoring a TD was the only time Deion saw moss as a Cowboy. Moss didn't get open, they even threw him a jump ball to which Deion batted down.

CJ is a different subject, he's so tall...but I don't doubt Prime.

i dont know about that

im a diehard cowboy fan and i remember a monday night game where randy lit our asses up for like 5 tds and deion was still on the team(but he was out of his prime by then)

 

[darth frosty]

Deion couldn't fuck with megatron too big and the league has changed too much but in his day...There was none better


How the hell you have 3 steller highlight reel from 3 different teams?!?

 

[Spectrum]

MNF 99 or 00...the game Emmitt had 150 in the first half & broke his hand scoring a TD was the only time Deion saw moss as a Cowboy. Moss didn't get open, they even threw him a jump ball to which Deion batted down.

CJ is a different subject, he's so tall...but I don't doubt Prime.

Exactly what I was saying man. Moss did his damage just blowing by coverage. He would just run a straight line and burn people. You aren't just going to be run by Deion. Deion would have WAY more problems with Johnson than he would with Moss. Johnson is way too big for Deion. The issue would be the QB because if you fuck up Deion gonna jump it and take it back to the house and Stafford is suspect as hell.

 

[unknownsoldier]

Man... there are a rare few cases where some people are so fucking good + freakishly blessed with a rare gift (speed, massive size + agility, etc)that it makes their major flaws irrelevant... I mean major flaws that would cripple others.

like a guy who got mentioned in this thread. Randy Moss was THE one-trick pony at WR. He didn't go over the middle, couldn't run routes, didn't block, etc... he did shit that would get most WRs cut .... but he was by far the best WR ever at stretching the field. A defensive coordinator had to change their entire defensive scheme because of his ONE other-worldy talent.

You know someone is great when you know exactly what they are going to do and you just can't stop it.

Slow down E...my boy played in Oakland with him a couple years & got scorched by him in NE. Just because he didn't do it, doesn't mean he couldn't. Why waste the greatest stretch the field threat underneath?? Especially when a HOF underneath WR is on the other side of the field & an all pro receiver in the slot???

 

[unknownsoldier]

i dont know about that

im a diehard cowboy fan and i remember a monday night game where randy lit our asses up for like 5 tds and deion was still on the team(but he was out of his prime by then)

Deion only played in 1 game against the Vikes. Kevin Mathis & Smith ate those other games. Deion was still battling turf toe. & if I remember correct, he got hurt in the game I'm talking about & like Emmitt missed the second half.

 

[Venom]

39 tackles in 14 seasons

http://www.nfl.com/player/deionsanders/2502820/profile

It says tackle data unavailable prior to 2001. At first I thought it was tackle for loss.

 

[Spectrum]

Slow down E...my boy played in Oakland with him a couple years & got scorched by him in NE. Just because he didn't do it, doesn't mean he couldn't. Why waste the greatest stretch the field threat underneath?? Especially when a HOF underneath WR is on the other side of the field & an all pro receiver in the slot???

I don't disagree with anything you've said about. Moss was good enough that it really didn't matter whether he did those other things are not. I was actually saying that.

However, I'm not sure he could actually do those other things man. I don't think he actually ever learned how to do those other things because he never needed to. I'm a huge fan of great route-runners (Carter, Rice, Irvin, Harrison)...and Moss just never learned how to run routes....but quite honestly, he was so athletically gifted that he didn't need to.... in another sport he kind of reminds me of iverson.. a player that small typically needs to learn how to be a PG but Iverson was so gifted that he never needed to learn how to distribute or run an offense because even at 6 feet, he just couldn't be stopped and could score from anywhere on the court despite his size.

Iverson couldn't distribute... it wasn't that he just chose not to... he had never done it his entire career..

Clearly Moss strengths weren't blocking, route-running, etc... kind of like how Deion was kind of weaker on the tackling side... like some people call Woodson (Rod) the better DB because he was a more "complete" db.....but Deion was a true lockdown corner and he did that so well people some people still call him better the better CB because he did the ONE key skill for a CB better than anyone in history...

I'm not knocking Moss..Moss is the second best receiver of all-time... I'm just pointing out that he did have some weaknesses that maybe only someone like Deion could key on

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I believe that moss wasn't made to do those things.

Last year for us he did all of those things.. Going over the middle, running precise routes and blocking on the outside. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. So i have to go with unknown on this one just on the strength of the last year with us.

 

[2211]

There was only one receiver that made Deion think about getting clever when they both were at their peak, Mr Jerry Rice. Back when they allowed CB to do anything Jerry school him in a championship game when he was with the cowboys. The next year Deion became a niner and try to take the spot as WR from Jerry but he knew better than that, he was never the same.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Dee on my fav athletic period

Baseball football

It doesn't matter

 

[Big Tex]

Man, fuck the Lions.

The only time anyone gives half a shit about them is when either we play them or they are embarrassing themselves on Thanksgiving.

 

[alexw]

Deion only played in 1 game against the Vikes. Kevin Mathis & Smith ate those other games. Deion was still battling turf toe. & if I remember correct, he got hurt in the game I'm talking about & like Emmitt missed the second half.

 

[unknownsoldier]

I believe that moss wasn't made to do those things.

Last year for us he did all of those things.. Going over the middle, running precise routes and blocking on the outside. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. So i have to go with unknown on this one just on the strength of the last year with us.

His super power was so super, he wasn't required to do all the other things. Some of the practice film I've seen & stories I've heard

You know if prime was out there for any of those games, Moss' legend would be 1000 greater than it is now.

 

[Amajorfucup]

nobody is sonning deion

and moss isnt beating deion deep nor is he going across the middle like rice and irvin

i think deion owns moss and gets into his head causing an epic meltdown

i dont see that happening at all

a prime sanders owns moss imo

Moss is not the type of receivers that gives Deion problems... Moss would just run straight past people...you arent just running straight past Deion...

I cant accept any of this. Prime would be able to run stride for stride possibly but when it becomes a jumpball and body matchup, Moss would go vertical and Prime would eat that 6 or draw a PI. And thats given 90's contact rules where Prime can keep a hand on him and direct him all the way downfield. To say Prime would "own" Moss is just nonsense.

 

[BlackArsenic]

Stupid thread. Megatron is easily the best receiver ever. Moss is a clear second.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Stupid thread. Megatron is easily the best receiver ever. Moss is a clear second.

 

[Spectrum]

I cant accept any of this. Prime would be able to run stride for stride possibly but when it becomes a jumpball and body matchup, Moss would go vertical and Prime would eat that 6 or draw a PI. And thats given 90's contact rules where Prime can keep a hand on him and direct him all the way downfield. To say Prime would "own" Moss is just nonsense.

I don't think he owns Moss. I just said that Moss is not the "type" that typically gives Deion problems. Deion was faster than Moss. However, Moss was faster than every other CB that he faced so he typically just burned them down field. Moss made his money on fly routes. You're not making your money on fly routes against Deion...no fucking way. Obviously Moss is going to catch balls...he's too good not to... but Moss caught a majority of those TDs by just getting behind the DB or Safety on fly routes... he wasn't covered (like Calvin) and just taking the ball. He DID that several times, but that wasn't what he did a majority of the time. Moss' greatest strength just happens to match up with Deions greatest strength and the comfort in that Fly route was that Moss was going to get behind the db and only he had a chance at the ball.... QBs aren't just going to throw that bitch up there with Deion out there.


Deion gets beat with route-running and/or size...

A QB probably takes one or two shots like that MAX with Deion on Moss... in his prime... they were doing that shit two times per quarter

But I also think this comes down to the QB... if the QB is a true elite QB, you going to have problems because placement is key... that's why when Moss was matched up with a prime Brady, there wasn't anything you could do with that muthafucka...

 

[Mr. Met]

Way to build that already shitty secondary's self esteem.

Deion would not have to have stopped him. They would never throw to his side.

 

[K Luv]

He's the last person who needs his own show lol, way more of a distraction than TO ever was. Y'all ain't made playoffs since you cut him right??

 

[alexw]

I cant accept any of this. Prime would be able to run stride for stride possibly but when it becomes a jumpball and body matchup, Moss would go vertical and Prime would eat that 6 or draw a PI. And thats given 90's contact rules where Prime can keep a hand on him and direct him all the way downfield. To say Prime would "own" Moss is just nonsense.

youre going to throw bombs as far as you can and try to keep it as high as possible too

is this qb super human since there will be no separation and you need pinpoint placement in this scenario?

add in that you can jam him at the line and randy is known to take plays off

this shit is a match made in heaven for prime

and who is the qb, the older cunningham or the wildly inaccurate culpepper?

prime eats in either situation

 

[Amajorfucup]

But I also think this comes down to the QB... if the QB is a true elite QB, you going to have problems because placement is key... that's why when Moss was matched up with a prime Brady, there wasn't anything you could do with that muthafucka...

and who is the qb, the older cunningham or the wildly inaccurate culpepper?

prime eats in either situation

See, i think this is a common misperception that the QB even matters more than incrementally. As you both said, his bread and butter was the deep ball, and accuracy isnt as important as arm strength imo. This is why a fraud like Culpepper was able to go to pro bowls and parade around as a legit franchise QB as long as he had 84 running down his hail marys. Contrary to popular opinion Moss didnt have his best year (efficiency) with Brady. He had better ypc and ypg with a washed up Randall fresh off of laying drywall and concrete, and a young Culpepper. Regardless of the QB Moss is gonna be Moss. I think prime gives up jumpballs and/or has alot of laundry flying on the field. Thats just me though boys.

 

[unknownsoldier]

Prime played Moss in November 1999. You don't see any highlights of moss getting off on him because he didn't. We were up 17-0 then Aikman got hurt, Emmitt broke his hand, & Deion missed the second half with a hamstring AND then Moss went off.

 

[oldirty]

Media hype feed into the concept of greatness and everyone sips the kool aid Revis is overrated too!!

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[Salty Nuts]

A Big Fan of Deion, but I don't think so....