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Iverson says "I'm not trying to figure out how to contribute to no team,"
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If Iverson had a better attitude and showed he could take a reduced offensive role and learn how to effectively play with his teammates without being a detriment to team chemistry...he would be on a contender now competing for a title averaging a bit over 30 minutes a game and 18-20 points... giving an already good team some extra offensive firepower..if even just off the bench...
I seriously dont see how anyone can try to defend this. He has such a narrow view of what contribution means it is really shocking that this is coming from a 34 year old veteran.
This guy has the same maturity level as he did his rookie year. Like i said in another thread, it was very telling when he grew those braids back (especially considering the comments made and reasoning he gave for cutting them). He is a picture perfect example of a guy who just doesnt get it and never will.
You know what truly is the weirdest shit about this.
even if this idiot really thought this, couldnt he have shut his mouth and wait for a more opportune time.
Bad logic and bad timing.
Nigga is dense as week old mashed potatoes
even if this idiot really thought this, couldnt he have shut his mouth and wait for a more opportune time.
Bad logic and bad timing.
Nigga is dense as week old mashed potatoes
cosign.. like someone already said...it is like he is trying to blackball himself
if he really had his thinking cap on, he could have waited like 25 games or so in.
if the team was still really struggling he could have been like " Man I can see the team is struggling and I wish I had more opportunities or playing time to try and give the team a boost"
Na this guy missed preaseason, and is bumping his gums off after the third game.
This dude got coleslaw for brain matter.
He just Pissed that Kobe Just Passed him on the All Time Scoring List the same night he played the Grizzlies....
And in his Mind, that was Never supposed to happen...
Thats why he's been on his little feminine tangent lately... That shit fucks w/ his heart..
Thats probably why he went to the Grizzlies... to keep on scoring..(and stay ahead of Kobe)
Sadly, thats the only Logical explanation for him to go there.
What a fuckin loser.
And in his Mind, that was Never supposed to happen...
Thats why he's been on his little feminine tangent lately... That shit fucks w/ his heart..
Thats probably why he went to the Grizzlies... to keep on scoring..(and stay ahead of Kobe)
Sadly, thats the only Logical explanation for him to go there.
What a fuckin loser.
That's what I don't understand. He did the same shit with the Pistons. Dude came back from an injury and still expected to start first game. With a new team
He still got it....but that attitude
I think the "not trying to figure out" part is a lot more damning than the "contribute to no team" part.
It's clear from the full quote that he thinks being a basketball player of his caliber and experience is a contribution in and of itself. Its really not fair to represent that as him not caring about the team or not caring about winning-- he just wants to win his way.
I will give you that he has a seeming fatal, career-wise, lack of adaptability. Just like the old man who thinks he has it all figured out, he doesn't understand that there is always something to be learned. There is always more to figure out. That half of his statement was far more reflective and revealing of his flaws than the concluding half of the statement.
He could probably take a lesson from an equally experienced but younger guy who just happened to pass him on the career scoring list in perhaps his final NBA game:
Okay u need to get off u'r fucking period now cause u'r bleeding all over the place LOL. Once again the title is misleading especially when the quote is not what the article is based on
, but rather an isolated comment that is followed up by an explanation to it. You and I are both reading the same article here, so don't even try and backtrack ya dumbass outta this even though that is u'r "M.O."(method of operation). With that MJ analogy u sound like some ridiculous after school special. When AI won his mvp who did he thank....Larry Brown. As unstoppable as AI was back then in his prime, who did AI breakdown and cry on national tv for and give all credit for his achievement....Larry Brown. As good as AI was, who did he say made him an even better player....Larry Brown. As dominant as the bulls were in the 90's whether collectively or individually, who was the mastermind behind the system that was in Chi-Town which won them those rings......Phil Jackson. Keep in mind that the bulls never did anything before phil jackson came on board with essentially the same team. I'm just using u'r own analogy to prove a point to u that its up to the coach to figure out how to best gel, develop chemistry & utilize it's players on the court, not the player himself. He's just the tool. Ever great player in history had a great coach. It goes hand in hand, you can't ever be a great player without ever having a good coach. U should try readin Phil Jacksons autobiography titled "mindgames". I'm sure it would expand or widen u'r horizon when it comes to the sport of basketball which your throughly lack. It certainly would save me the time from taken ya to school all day
According to you based on AI's whole career, you say he plays no defense and doesn't make his teammates any better, but yet he still has a career avg of over 6 assists and 2 steals per game and he's not even a pure point guard
. Before I continue any further, you might wanna seriously retract your last couple of statments LOL.Yours Truly......Professor
Damn... so is this how AI's career is gonna end?
Obviously there weren't a lot of takers in the off-season, or he wouldn't have signed with Memphis... and after all of this, I don't see how a contender takes a chance on him. I hope I'm wrong... I think he still has something left in the tank.
Obviously there weren't a lot of takers in the off-season, or he wouldn't have signed with Memphis... and after all of this, I don't see how a contender takes a chance on him. I hope I'm wrong... I think he still has something left in the tank.
Okay u need to get off u'r fucking period now cause u'r bleeding all over the place LOL. Once again the title is misleading especially when the quote is not what the article is based on
Once again the BGOL resident retard has a problem with reading comprehension. As explained in the previous reply, the following statements after the quote only go on to further dig himself into a whole as it does nothing to change the sentiment of the initial quote at all. He goes on to say that he doesnt need to think..he just needs to play. That is a mentally-disturbed way to play any team sport. But considering your lack of intelligence, it is not surprising that you agree with him.
You stay stuck on stupid.
Again for the mentally-challenged.
The game is often won before the game is even played.. in preparation. That is why players like Jordan have an advantage..not because of the physical gifts but because of their mentality..the thought process that had with the game. The preparation before the game.You are too got-damn simple-minded to see it.
That is why Iverson has not progressed as a player..because he just goes out just plays
He plays this professional sport like it is a game of pickup ball at the local YMCA.
All of this is completely irrelevant because it says nothing as to why an individual player is not progressing nor contributing to the team in the best way..
Makes no difference whether Iverson cried on TV for Larry Brown. You couldnt stay on track if it would laid for you and you were at gun point.. You are an intellectual cripple who cant walk straight.
Phil Jackson was NOT the mastermind of the system behind the Bulls. Jackson was the manager of the ego..he was not the technician behind the system.. and certainly not the offensive system that unlocked Jordan as one of the most dominant post-players of all time. Now go look up who was really behind the system..the unsung hero.
But that even gets back to the point.. Jordan didnt come into the league with a Post game.. he worked at during practive and during the offseason and added to his game..making himself and his team better...one of many things he added over his career.
What has iverson added to his game..he is the exact same player he was as a rookie..adding nothing.
This isnt the dispute. It is obvious that any great team will usually have a great coach. This is hardly the argument.
However, every great player individually learns how to best use their attributes and work with their team to be better REGARDLESS of what comes from the coaching staff.
Zeke learned how to win a title with Chuck Daly.
HOWEVER, Zeke..like Jordan.. ALSO held rigorous private practices with his teammates so that they could gel and understand how to best utilize their individual assets to become a better team.
Zeke decreased his offensive output potential in terms of scoring to become a better distributor and only took a high percentage of shoots when he was on or it was needed.
I could go on and on.
Iverson has not learned how to do that because he has never thought it was necessary.
You are one of those idiots that things steals equals a good defender. Players can pick up steals by floating in the lane and cherry-picking. Picking up steals does not equate to being a even a decent defensive player. The reality of the matter is that Iverson is often the worse defender on the floor and is undersized for his position.. thus offering mismatches because he is too short and skinny to defend on the perimeter and certainly not in the post.
and I hope you arent arguing that Iverson is a good point gaurd. Iverson has always been an undersized two guard and couldnt run an offense to save his life. He couldnt even do it in Philly... that is why they had to bring in Eric Snow to run the offense..
You are an idiot...and even worse.. you have an addition to getting a mental flogging
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@ e's thread title. A little misleading if you read the whole quote.But it now looks like Iverson is going to retire if Heisley cannot assure him a starting role with the team.
But he's alluded to this before. While with the Pistons he said he'd rather retire than come off the bench, and being that he'll be doing that with the Grizzlies, it looks like the end of a great career.
English must be u’r 2nd language cause u seem to have a problem with simple comprehension. So I’ll break it down in remedial elementary terms. The title of u’r thread is this "I'm not trying to figure out how to contribute to no team,"…o….k…a…y….I’..m keeping it very basic given u’r intelligence…...d…o y….o….u u...n...d...e...r...s...t...a...n...d m..e.., c…o…m…p…r…e…n…d…a. As a potential reader the natural assumption is gonna be that the article is gonna reflect , or summarize that title with supporting arguments to follow it. In no way does the article do that, not even close. We’re both reading the same shit that is why I say u lack comprehension skills. U’r article is about Allen Iverson wanting to start. “ Einstein” in case weren’t aware, that is the title of u’r article, “Iverson still wants to start” …..(don’t lose me now, cause I'm bring it home now)….. which is reflected by the body in the article….which is the overall sentiment of the article which is…once again“Iverson still wants to start” . Do u see the trail of clues that’s right in front of you or do you still need me to simply that point further for ya remedial dunce ass.U’r officially in CHURCH now, get ready to be baptized with truth.
Again for the mentally-challenged.
The game is often won before the game is even played.. in preparation. That is why players like Jordan have an advantage..not because of the physical gifts but because of their mentality..the thought process that had with the game. The preparation before the game.You are too got-damn simple-minded to see it.
That is why Iverson has not progressed as a player..because he just goes out just plays
He plays this professional sport like it is a game of pickup ball at the local YMCA.
Whose responsible for the preparation of the game, the players or the coaches???? If the game is won in preparation, then why with the most talented squad in a given sport a team can underachieve??? Why does the coach get blamed for that underachievement even with the most talented squad??? Whose job is it for creating chemistry on the court, the players or the coaches????? Why is it the bulls didn’t become dominant and Michael Jordan didn’t expand his overall game until phil jackson came on board??? Do u see the pattern here cause I'm taking u on a journey now
More or less in essence u’r saying the Bulls could have won all those championships with any coach. This alone makes u lose all the credibility, as if u really had any to begin with. Phil Jackson built the Chicago Bulls dynasty, it didn’t happen by itself genius. Before Phil Jackson the bulls were just a one dimensional playoff team & MJ was a one dimensional player, with the same core group of players. When phil came on board they did a 180 turnaround and turned into a dynasty, & MJ expanded his overall game. When Phil let chi-town to go the lakers they were just an underachieving team for yrs with unrealized potential. But guess what……all of a sudden when Phil came on board they win 3 rings in a row. Newsflash…….that is not a co-incidence. Let me repeat, that is not a co-incidence. Do you see a pattern here???? The evidence does not lie.
You are one of those idiots that things steals equals a good defender. Players can pick up steals by floating in the lane and cherry-picking. Picking up steals does not equate to being a even a decent defensive player. The reality of the matter is that Iverson is often the worse defender on the floor and is undersized for his position.. thus offering mismatches because he is too short and skinny to defend on the perimeter and certainly not in the post.
and I hope you arent arguing that Iverson is a good point gaurd. Iverson has always been an undersized two guard and couldnt run an offense to save his life. He couldnt even do it in Philly... that is why they had to bring in Eric Snow to run the offense..
You are an idiot...and even worse.. you have an addition to getting a mental flogging
Once again u’r exposed as a complete fraud on the subject matter
. I can tell u didn’t give any thought into to the argument u’r tryna pass off genius, which has just put the nail in u’r coffin. Everything u say is filled with contradictions, I don't think you know what defense means, so I'll lend u a hand.Who gives a flying fuck how he gets his steals, u don’t get points for style in sports. Numbers are numbers, and they don’t lie. His career numbers on average are on par with Michael Jordan in every statistical category, and that’s without a good supporting cast to play with for the majority of his career. Steals and blocked shots are the epitomy of good defense…….that is why u play defense
……that is the purpose of defense……that is what u hope to accomplish when u play defense(hello somebody, anybody home upstairs). Do u see the pattern of how everything is connected to one another, it's not difficult to follow. Bad defenders don’t’ average nearly 3 steals per game you idiot
. Bad defenders don’t get voted multiple times to be on a 1st ALL NBA team by sports writers & opposing coaches. Get this, this is the homerun statement that knocks everything outta the park……...Bad defenders don’t recieve votes for “consideration” of selection multiple times throughout their careers by opposing coaches and sports writers for an ALL NBA DEFENSIVE team. I could go on & on, but u’r confidence by now is shot. That alone which is concrete & very absolute not only contradicts everything you say, but completely blows u’r whole theory on Allen Iverson sky high right outta the water clown. Right about now u’r a believer, Not only have you been converted, intellectually you have been humbled. It’s like everything u believe that u thought was so, is all of a sudden not. Right now it’s like intellectually the bottom has been pulled from underneath you. On all u’r points u have been shut down miserable with u'r own contradictions…..now that’s what u call DEFENSE.
U have been baptized in the truth, baptized in knowledge, baptized in the art of debating, baptized in the sport of basketball, baptized in the meaning of comprehension, baptized on what a good defender is, baptized on why u should not purposely make mis-leading threads and finally baptized on the name of the link u provided.
GAME OVER
Yours Truly……Professor
Listen. Im not going to continue to waste my time with you..especially idiotic non-comprehension irrelevant responses days late.
Im going to show one quote just to illustrate how got-damn stupid you are. You quote a post that ways one thing and you extrapolate the opposite. You do these repeatedly because you have much for brains. I could go on and on with all your responses as I typically do but Im not going to continue debate with idiots. It is not worth the response time. I will let you stay in your alternative world where you actually think you contribute anything remotely intelligence when in reality you have the wit of a malnourished maggot.
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Notice above how I clearly mentioned the necessity of a great coach and then even mentioned Chuck Daly in the other example. I also further displayed in the remainder of that post how that was irrelevant in the first place to the argument. But idiots like you dont understand relevance and sound logic.
Notice above how your stupid ass extrapolates ANY coach from that
I hope you dont reproduce
The regularity at which you idiots make up shit is beyond me... Clown has a complete disregard for facts.
Making the All NBA team makes no statement about an individuals defensive prowess. Fukka outta here with that bullshit.
I do know this though. Iverson, despite all his steals, has never made an All defensive team first or second.
http://www.insidehoops.com/history-all-defensive-teams.shtml
Because the reality of the matter is that outside of floating in the lanes and cherry picking, Iverson cant guard anyone man to man on the court. That is why DESPITE leading the league in assists he still has not made an all defensive team.
For idiots like you that cant put two and two together.. check the history books to see how many steals leaders have never made an all defensive team.
An individual writer can be just as stupid as you are and think that because some picks up steals they are a good defender but overall the correct decision has always been made...despite picking steals, rational minds know that Iverson is a subpar defender at best and his steals dont override the fact that doesnt defend well on the perimeter and he is too skinny to stop anyone front getting to the paint and lets forget about post defense when he is forces to switch...
Only simple-minded idiots like you see one stat and translate that into defensive prowess. However, you incorrectly extrapolate non-sense all day so it is understandeable. You are the type of idiot that sees 2+3 as = 6 because you dont know addition from multiplication.
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U’r officially in CHURCH now, get ready to be baptized with truth.
Whose responsible for the preparation of the game, the players or the coaches???? If the game is won in preparation, then why with the most talented squad in a given sport a team can underachieve??? Why does the coach get blamed for that underachievement even with the most talented squad??? Whose job is it for creating chemistry on the court, the players or the coaches????? Why is it the bulls didn’t become dominant and Michael Jordan didn’t expand his overall game until phil jackson came on board??? Do u see the pattern here cause I'm taking u on a journey now
More or less in essence u’r saying the Bulls could have won all those championships with any coach. This alone makes u lose all the credibility, as if u really had any to begin with. Phil Jackson built the Chicago Bulls dynasty, it didn’t happen by itself genius. Before Phil Jackson the bulls were just a one dimensional playoff team & MJ was a one dimensional player, with the same core group of players. When phil came on board they did a 180 turnaround and turned into a dynasty, & MJ expanded his overall game. When Phil let chi-town to go the lakers they were just an underachieving team for yrs with unrealized potential. But guess what……all of a sudden when Phil came on board they win 3 rings in a row. Newsflash…….that is not a co-incidence. Let me repeat, that is not a co-incidence. Do you see a pattern here???? The evidence does not lie.
Once again u’r exposed as a complete fraud on the subject matter
Who gives a flying fuck how he gets his steals, u don’t get points for style in sports. Numbers are numbers, and they don’t lie. His career numbers on average are on par with Michael Jordan in every statistical category, and that’s without a good supporting cast to play with for the majority of his career. Steals and blocked shots are the epitomy of good defense…….that is why u play defense
Bad defenders don’t’ average nearly 3 steals per game you idiot
Right about now u’r a believer, Not only have you been converted, intellectually you have been humbled. It’s like everything u believe that u thought was so, is all of a sudden not. Right now it’s like intellectually the bottom has been pulled from underneath you. On all u’r points u have been shut down miserable with u'r own contradictions…..now that’s what u call DEFENSE.
U have been baptized in the truth, baptized in knowledge, baptized in the art of debating, baptized in the sport of basketball, baptized in the meaning of comprehension, baptized on what a good defender is, baptized on why u should not purposely make mis-leading threads and finally baptized on the name of the link u provided.
GAME OVER
Yours Truly……Professor
You are so wrong on so many levels its just not funny. Whats sad is you actually think you know ball.
The coach's job is to prepare his team strategically and mentally as best he can. Thats it. The players themselves have most of the preparation to do. Players watch film. They eat right. They sleep right. They train right. They practice right. Its not the head coach job to tell players all the tendencies of the players they will be guarding, its up to the players to find out. Thats preparation. A coach cannot force his players to mesh buddy, they have to find a way to do that themselves. Oh and MJ did expand his game BEFORE Phil came on board. Preparation is on the players just as much as it is on the coaches.
How a player gets his steals is VERY important. Iverson loved to gamble and that very often left him out of position and his teammates had to pick up the slack (fouls) because of it. In case you didnt know thats bad for the team. As well as getting beat up in the post and getting blown by because of lack of strength. Whats important on d is positioning and one on one covering. Any coach will tell you they would rather have someone who is never out of position then someone who gambles all the time. Iverson right now averages more steals per game then Pippen. Who was the better defender?
I was laughing at first like
But now Im like This is not even funny anymore. This dude really is mentally-challenged.
err...
most of your message was correct, but this is VERY shaky.
in the NCAAs, it is the assistant coach who prepares the scouting report and distributes it to the players usually the day before the game.
in the NBA, it has always been the assistant coaches who are assigned to handfuls of teams as lead scouts (ask the former head coach of the memphis grizzlies, for example) to prepare the scouting report for the players.
in the modern NBA, it is the video coordinator (ask the head coach of the miami heat) who analyzes, dissects and edits together HOURS UPON HOURS of game tape for the coaching staff.
so while the head coach may not directly be pulling the strings on player preparation (especially as it pertains to watching film and opponent tendencies), you are pretty far OFF base on this claim.
I was laughing at first like
He needs to rethink this whole basketball thing. Its just not the game he thinks it is. If only he would stop thinking he knew it all.
err...
most of your message was correct, but this is VERY shaky.
in the NCAAs, it is the assistant coach who prepares the scouting report and distributes it to the players usually the day before the game.
in the NBA, it has always been the assistant coaches who are assigned to handfuls of teams as lead scouts (ask the former head coach of the memphis grizzlies, for example) to prepare the scouting report for the players.
in the modern NBA, it is the video coordinator (ask the head coach of the miami heat) who analyzes, dissects and edits together HOURS UPON HOURS of game tape for the coaching staff.
so while the head coach may not directly be pulling the strings on player preparation (especially as it pertains to watching film and opponent tendencies), you are pretty far OFF base on this claim.
I am NOT off-base at all.
I am fully aware that players dont Tivo the games at home and watch them over dinner. Duh.
Of course there is a crew who prepares said tapes for the teams, however assistant coaches, scouts, player personnel reps, video coor... CANNOT sit the players down and force feed them this info.
In short, a player can be like, ok ill wait for team meeting and see what they got on this dude, or he can go to the staff and say give me all the tapes you got on this guy, ill watch it in the hotel room.
again, based on insider info, he'll finsh the season with Memphis.
Unfortunately, it is not just a problem with basketball analysis. That dude mangles a multitude of subjects on bgol. Makkonnen calls hims the retarded professor. His mind is mangled... his responses clearly illustrate that he struggles with reading comprehension... couple that with the fact that he cant put together a coherent paragragh and then compound it with the obvious nature of his problems with basic logic (every post of his is littered with logical fallacies) and you have a serious recipe for disaster. Finally, add the fact that he is a bit delusional and you have a perfect cycle of never-ending stupidity on display.
Good for him. I wish him the best. So long as he understands that he is on a "developing" team.
i guess times have changed that much. or maybe NBA coaching has become that shitty.
in my experience, that is EXACTLY what game tape sessions are like. A LOT of team chemistry is built during those sessions, and players learn A LOT about their head coaches during game tape sessions.
but if you are saying something akin to "you can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink", i understand your message.
err...
most of your message was correct, but this is VERY shaky.
in the NCAAs, it is the assistant coach who prepares the scouting report and distributes it to the players usually the day before the game.
in the NBA, it has always been the assistant coaches who are assigned to handfuls of teams as lead scouts (ask the former head coach of the memphis grizzlies, for example) to prepare the scouting report for the players.
in the modern NBA, it is the video coordinator (ask the head coach of the miami heat) who analyzes, dissects and edits together HOURS UPON HOURS of game tape for the coaching staff.
so while the head coach may not directly be pulling the strings on player preparation (especially as it pertains to watching film and opponent tendencies), you are pretty far OFF base on this claim.
Jesus, finally.....finally someone who knows what they are talking about. U'r pretty much accurate or dead on in u'r analysis.
Everything that happens on the court is a direct reflection on the coaching staff, which stems from the points u made above. I could even further elaborate for dayz on what u said. But based on what I have observed so far, the mentality or logic here is that just cause u'r not physically on the court, the coaching staff has little to no affect on the players or the outcome of the game itself.
Yours Truly....Professor
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