Is Apple actually the number one computer maker in the US?

If an If was a spliff we'd be all fucked up.

It's got to have USB to be a PC...I'm just saying.
 
Ummm, what about burning CDs?

The simple addition of a USB port would make your argument much more convincing.

What if I want to print something on my non-wireless printer?

What if I want to back-up info and I don't have wi-fi?

This thing basically becomes a paperweight under these circumstances.


Thread has been bumped but my question has still not been answered.

I DO NOT have a wireless set-up.

I want to burn CDs for my mother who is not computer savvy.

I then need to print a layout for that CD.

I have an external DVD burner and an inkjet printer.

If this thing is a computer, and ALL computers can do this, how do I accomplish these tasks using an Ipad?
 
Thread has been bumped but my question has still not been answered.

I DO NOT have a wireless set-up.

I want to burn CDs for my mother who is not computer savvy.

I then need to print a layout for that CD.

I have an external DVD burner and an inkjet printer.

If this thing is a computer, and ALL computers can do this, how do I accomplish these tasks using an Ipad?
dont forget u cant update your ipad without a computer
 
Thread has been bumped but my question has still not been answered.

I DO NOT have a wireless set-up.

I want to burn CDs for my mother who is not computer savvy.

I then need to print a layout for that CD.

I have an external DVD burner and an inkjet printer.

If this thing is a computer, and ALL computers can do this, how do I accomplish these tasks using an Ipad?

He won't answer. To him most consumers don't need or use these.
 
Thread has been bumped but my question has still not been answered.

I DO NOT have a wireless set-up.

I want to burn CDs for my mother who is not computer savvy.

I then need to print a layout for that CD.

I have an external DVD burner and an inkjet printer.

If this thing is a computer, and ALL computers can do this, how do I accomplish these tasks using an Ipad?

You cannot print if you do not have a wireless network.

You cannot burn CDs.

I think what people need to understand is that computing is taking new forms and that the way we are used to it is going to change. When the first iMac came out it didn't have a floppy drive but if you try to make the case that it wasn't a computer you're a fool. Apple simply got rid of a medium that was on its way out and as a result the entire industry followed. I think Apple had this same view with the iPad which is why it doesn't read CDs. You may not like it and that's fine but to say that it isn't a computer is inaccurate. A lot of netbooks don't even have cd drives themselves and it is due to the fact that moat people don't need them nowadays.
 
You cannot print if you do not have a wireless network.

You cannot burn CDs.

I think what people need to understand is that computing is taking new forms and that the way we are used to it is going to change. When the first iMac came out it didn't have a floppy drive but if you try to make the case that it wasn't a computer you're a fool. Apple simply got rid of a medium that was on its way out and as a result the entire industry followed. I think Apple had this same view with the iPad which is why it doesn't read CDs. You may not like it and that's fine but to say that it isn't a computer is inaccurate. A lot of netbooks don't even have cd drives themselves and it is due to the fact that moat people don't need them nowadays.

Well said, and the truth.

I barely use my optical drives on my PCs.

It is easier to download things now. We have live streaming or streaming video that is easily accessible making DVDs and Blu-Ray on the way to being obsolete.

I get the argument that the iPad is not a computer, and it isn't: It is paving the way for the new era of computing.
 
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You cannot print if you do not have a wireless network.

You cannot burn CDs.

I think what people need to understand is that computing is taking new forms and that the way we are used to it is going to change. When the first iMac came out it didn't have a floppy drive but if you try to make the case that it wasn't a computer you're a fool. Apple simply got rid of a medium that was on its way out and as a result the entire industry followed. I think Apple had this same view with the iPad which is why it doesn't read CDs. You may not like it and that's fine but to say that it isn't a computer is inaccurate. A lot of netbooks don't even have cd drives themselves and it is due to the fact that moat people don't need them nowadays.

The Imac was a computer without a floppy drive the ipad isnt a computer so its not a fair comparison. I guess Apple must think usb is on its way out also why they didn't add any slots.
 
The Imac was a computer without a floppy drive the ipad isnt a computer so its not a fair comparison. I guess Apple must think usb is on its way out also why they didn't add any slots.

You still haven't said why it isn't a personal computer. Is it because it cannot interpret compiled sets of instructions? Is it because it does not run off an OS? What is fundamentally different about the iPad when compared to say an iMac? Remember, fundamentally no one cares if one can run Microsoft programs and the other can't...that's a software compatibility issue.
 
You cannot print if you do not have a wireless network.

You cannot burn CDs.

I think what people need to understand is that computing is taking new forms and that the way we are used to it is going to change. When the first iMac came out it didn't have a floppy drive but if you try to make the case that it wasn't a computer you're a fool. Apple simply got rid of a medium that was on its way out and as a result the entire industry followed. I think Apple had this same view with the iPad which is why it doesn't read CDs. You may not like it and that's fine but to say that it isn't a computer is inaccurate. A lot of netbooks don't even have cd drives themselves and it is due to the fact that moat people don't need them nowadays.

Not everyone used those forms. Also that does not stop the netbook from being about to use a external.
 
You still haven't said why it isn't a personal computer. Is it because it cannot interpret compiled sets of instructions? Is it because it does not run off an OS? What is fundamentally different about the iPad when compared to say an iMac? Remember, fundamentally no one cares if one can run Microsoft programs and the other can't...that's a software compatibility issue.
dude your phone is a computer device if u want to get into specifics, but when it comes down to what people consider a computer the ipad cant do half of the shit a real computer can. So no its not a computer it's more of a accessory. When the imac came out it could do everything a pesonal computer could except use floppies
 
dude your phone is a computer device if u want to get into specifics, but when it comes down to what people consider a computer the ipad cant do half of the shit a real computer can. So no its not a computer it's more of a accessory

Can't do what my EVO does.
 
Not everyone used those forms. Also that does not stop the netbook from being about to use a external.

dude your phone is a computer device if u want to get into specifics, but when it comes down to what people consider a computer the ipad cant do half of the shit a real computer can. So no its not a computer it's more of a accessory

I said fundamentally...what you are speaking on is the very top layer of the OS.
 
What are we arguing here:

Having read some more comments, The iPad is a computer. It just does not have the features that are included in typical everyday PCs or laptops. But it will be wrong to state that it is not a "computer"
 
What are we arguing here:

Having read some more comments, The iPad is a computer. It just does not have the features that are included in typical everyday PCs or laptops. But it will be wrong to state that it is not a "computer"

Did you read all the comments? We said it's a computer but not a PC.
 
What are we arguing here:

Having read some more comments, The iPad is a computer. It just does not have the features that are included in typical everyday PCs or laptops. But it will be wrong to state that it is not a "computer"

in that case my scientific calculator is a computer
 
I have yet to hear a compelling reason as to why iPad is NOT a computer. Inability to run Flash is not a good reason because that is a software compatibility issue which actually proves that the iPad IS a computer due to the face that iPad is its own platform independent of others. In addition, if iPad wasn't a computer why would you even want flash on it in the first place? I don't hear people advocating for flash on coffee cups and hair brushes....why? Because they are not computers.

The iPad is not as much of a computer, as it is a glorified applications manager.
 
Did you read all the comments? We said it's a computer but not a PC.
exactly its more of a accessory than a pc. the fact is apple is number one in selling devices like mp3 players but not computers. People keep forgetting that every person who bought a Ipad already owned a pc, and they bought it because it was a new light weight device, but the minute their computer is broke they will be replacing it with a new one.
 
Did you read all the comments? We said it's a computer but not a PC.

A PC is a Personal Computer which the iPad definitely is. The major difference between the iPad and traditional computers is the touchscreen. If we are including hacks like hackintosh for the netbook side we can include the hack that'll allow you to use the USB Camera Adapter to hook up external hard drives and SD Cards for storage.
 
exactly its more of a accessory than a pc. the fact is apple is number one in selling devices like mp3 players but not computers. People keep forgetting that every person who bought a Ipad already owned a pc, and they bought it because it was a new light weight device, but the minute their computer is broke they will be replacing it with a new one.

I remember when no one had ipods where I was because itunes was mac only. They shit went to PC and boom iPods blew up all over my hood.
 
The central question is a good one.

The very definition of 'computer' - from a hardware component standpoint - has evolved and continues to evolve over time. Many of the things that we currently associate with modern day computers (flash, usb connectivity, mice, hard drives, etc) existed well AFTER personal computers were available for sale. Thus, the paradigm of what form a computer takes is constantly shifting over time. So it is logical, that decrying the iPad based upon inclusion or lack of various hardware components is questionable.

To me, this is not a question of fanboy-ishness or lack of it either. It is more indicative of the latest radical shift in computing: this method of tablet computing using applications either made for or modified for touchscreen (obtainable online and either factory programmed into or download-able to your device).

So yes, the iPad is a sort of a computer and it certainly is personal and could be validly included in the category, as such, of 'PC'. Additionally, it is being used to comfortably do many of the everyday things that up until now have been done on desktop and laptop PCs.

By the same token, as similar devices by other companies are developed and sold (using the Android platform for example), those devices should also be included in those companies' sales figures of PC's sold.

...In fact, over time, I believe this question won't even be on the table anymore. It will just be the accepted norm for such devices.
 
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