I'm sorry to say it but, kobe is better than jordan!!

[ron_mexico]

Different time and different game.

Kobe could never play in MJ's era. Was just to physical. That is the blaring difference. Kobe is nice dont get me wrong. I also hated Jordan because he kept Ewing and my boys from getting the much deserved rings. (Well Starks and bum ass Pat Riley helped)

Even if he could make it past the West back then. The Bad Boys and New York would have ate him alive after game 2.

That being said he has had Shaq 2nd best Center to play the game! Take away Diesel and he becomes a dude with a ring. Then he supporting cats is much greater then MJ. Please do remember if yall cats was around when MJ retired in his prime. Pippen looked like dodo!

MJ literally made his EVERYBODY on his team better and a load of money cause he made household names out of his starting 5.

Good argument but Kobe off the mark. Quite as kept I think LeBron will have a better chance at doing this just because well he is big as a house and still young and reaching some marks very quick

Agreed. Lebron is on Kobes' ass right now. F.. all that years from now. Kobe may not get those couple of rings needed to supplant MJ as the GOAT.

Lebron has the work ethic of a Kobe/Jordan and has physical tools neither one of them ever had. It's only a matter of time, and I think it will be sooner rather than later.

 

[Nobody]

youre tripping bruh

the league made major defensive bans in 2000 like hand checking and camping out in the lane

it made the game much easier for the players of this decade

Zone defense my dude. Players of kobe's caliber, and lebron James and ESPECIALLY dwyane Wade would gladly tale hand checking in exchange for zone defense. Not to mention the fact you couldn't really hand check Jordan as you'd get whistled. So they'd love to get that. Those guys would average more points on a better shooting percentage if they had more one on one opportunities.

Kobe lebron and Wade would absolutely thrive in jordan's era. Let's not act like Jordan was facing off against all NBA talent every game. Remember when Wade was drafted him at 6'4 was considered undersized to be a 2, and he played his rookie year as a point guard. Yet in the 80s and 90's he'd be big for his position. 6'4 212. Jordan's 6'5 195.

Then lebron. Who would guard him? 6'8 250?

And Kobe isn't no chump. Dude relishes the tough play- he just feels if he's getting knocked around they better call it when it's a foul. Those three amd melo would all give Jordan hell.

And just for kicks. Any combination of Lebron/Kobe or Lebron/Wade = no six rings for MJ.

I don't even think, nor does MJ himself, that he would have beaten the 95 rockets.

 

[chemist]

That article reeks of Jordan hate about halfway through. When talking about Jordan as a teamate. Then its a Lakers source. Anytime you sway one way or the other you lose all credibilty... Kobe is great but Jordan is an Icon alot of people who cant really say they saw his best years, therfore this debate is only gonna get more comical the longer Jordan is gone. When Jordan was in his prime he had no equal... He didnt get one until Kobe came on the scene... Jordan started his career in the early 80s!!! Enough said... Kobe has peers, Lebron Wade, Melo...

This thread reeks of Kobe hate from the beginning.

Lebron, Wade and Melo are not on Kobe's level just like Drexler, Miller and Dumars weren't on Jordan's level.

I'm not even saying Kobe's career is as good as Jordan's yet but the margin isn't as wide as Jordan fans wanna make it.

 

[Nobody]

To me. Kobe Lebron talk is akin to Duncan Garnett talk.

It's the same thing. All four great players, but two filled up the stat sheet more than the other two.

But people never put Garnett over Duncan, despite him not having as good a team as Duncan, and despite Duncan never having the all around stats Garnett did.

Lebron fills it up more than Kobe, but he's the primary scorer, ball handler, and plaaker in addition to being the secondary scorer, ball handler and playmaker. His stats are like kobe's in 05. Amazing, but ultimately his best production will come in the seasons those numbers dip.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

kobe is good, but he's no Jordan.

1.) the league has a lot less talent due to expansion and early entries than ever before. look at the East. a sub .500 team can make the playoffs. jordan never played with so many kids in the league. the separation between the good teams and bad teams theses past years has never been so apparent.

2.) kobe has WAY more talent on his team than Jordan ever had. Kobe's 3rd best player is a toss up between Artest and Bynum. the 3rd best teammate Jordan ever had was Rodman who was a defensive and rebounding force but a huge liability offensively.

3.) when Jordan played, you can handcheck. the Knicks and Pistons BEAT jordan up. literally, as soon as he crossed halfcourt, hands were on him. despite this, Jordan averaged 30+. imagined if he played with today's rules? 40+ a game is a reality.

4.) kobe has ALWAYS had a dominant big man inside to open up the outside for him. someone mentioned it earlier, Longely, King, Wennington, Perdue. even with Pippen on the wing, the Bulls were a perimeter team making it harder on their offense.

5.) the Bulls management. if Krause and Resindorf weren't dickheads, the Bulls woulda won 3 more championships.

6.) Kobe almost got traded TWICE! first time, the Bulls wouldn't give up Luol Deng. the 2nd time Kobe didn't want to get traded to Chicago if Deng was included in the deal to go to LA. never ever heard the mention of trading Jordan because there was no such thing as equal trade value for him.

7.) Jordan's retirement. if he never retired those 2 times and just kept playing, he would have most of the records in the league. plausible to think he coulda had close to 10 rings.

kobe is good. but he ain't jordan good.

 

[ron_mexico]

Zone defense my dude. Players of kobe's caliber, and lebron James and ESPECIALLY dwyane Wade would gladly tale hand checking in exchange for zone defense. Not to mention the fact you couldn't really hand check Jordan as you'd get whistled. So they'd love to get that. Those guys would average more points on a better shooting percentage if they had more one on one opportunities.

Kobe lebron and Wade would absolutely thrive in jordan's era. Let's not act like Jordan was facing off against all NBA talent every game. Remember when Wade was drafted him at 6'4 was considered undersized to be a 2, and he played his rookie year as a point guard. Yet in the 80s and 90's he'd be big for his position. 6'4 212. Jordan's 6'5 195.

Then lebron. Who would guard him? 6'8 250?

And Kobe isn't no chump. Dude relishes the tough play- he just feels if he's getting knocked around they better call it when it's a foul. Those three amd melo would all give Jordan hell.

And just for kicks. Any combination of Lebron/Kobe or Lebron/Wade = no six rings for MJ.

I don't even think, nor does MJ himself, that he would have beaten the 95 rockets.

Did Jordan say this or something?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Don't like Jordan or Kobe but, as it stands now, Jordan led his teams to 6 championships while Kobe has led his team to 1 and was on the teams that Shaq (don't like him either) led to 3.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

To me. Kobe Lebron talk is akin to Duncan Garnett talk.

It's the same thing. All four great players, but two filled up the stat sheet more than the other two.

But people never put Garnett over Duncan, despite him not having as good a team as Duncan, and despite Duncan never having the all around stats Garnett did.

Lebron fills it up more than Kobe, but he's the primary scorer, ball handler, and plaaker in addition to being the secondary scorer, ball handler and playmaker. His stats are like kobe's in 05. Amazing, but ultimately his best production will come in the seasons those numbers dip.

When LeBron can get somebody who is willing and can play Scottie to his Mike. Mo Williams isn't it and neither is Shaquille O'Neal.

 

[Nobody]

Did Jordan say this or something?

I recall reading an article where MJ said he thought the rockets could have beaten him. This is after his career. Can't find it now, posting from the iPhone.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I recall reading an article where MJ said he thought the rockets could have beaten him. This is after his career. Can't find it now, posting from the iPhone.

I always thought the 95 Rockets could have handled the Bulls, too. They were an all time team and Hakeem was playing out of his mind.

 

[cli-terminator]

I hated Jordan growing up as he took a lot of championships away from my Knicks but I still recognize & acknowledge what he brought to the game. Comparing rings is already a losing battle for Kobe fans as 3 of Kobe's rings came on a team where he wasn't even the main man. He was the beneficiary of having Shaq in his prime. If anything those 3 rings would put him more in comparison with Pippen than Jordan.

No debating that Kobe is talented & will go down as 1 of the greatest to play the sport but to compare him to Jordan is ridiculous. Jordan held down the spot for greatest for over an entire decade while Kobe already has competition in Lebron. Who knows, years from now we may hear debates over whether Lebron is the greatest player of all time.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

 

[alexw]

Zone defense my dude. Players of kobe's caliber, and lebron James and ESPECIALLY dwyane Wade would gladly tale hand checking in exchange for zone defense. Not to mention the fact you couldn't really hand check Jordan as you'd get whistled. So they'd love to get that. Those guys would average more points on a better shooting percentage if they had more one on one opportunities.

Kobe lebron and Wade would absolutely thrive in jordan's era. Let's not act like Jordan was facing off against all NBA talent every game. Remember when Wade was drafted him at 6'4 was considered undersized to be a 2, and he played his rookie year as a point guard. Yet in the 80s and 90's he'd be big for his position. 6'4 212. Jordan's 6'5 195.

Then lebron. Who would guard him? 6'8 250?

And Kobe isn't no chump. Dude relishes the tough play- he just feels if he's getting knocked around they better call it when it's a foul. Those three amd melo would all give Jordan hell.

And just for kicks. Any combination of Lebron/Kobe or Lebron/Wade = no six rings for MJ.

I don't even think, nor does MJ himself, that he would have beaten the 95 rockets.

dude, i knew you liked kobe but i didnt know you were a stan

this shit you typed is beyond ridiculous

its obvious you know nothing about the game and how the game changed "after" jordan retired because offensive production went south

thats why they made rules for hand checking and the defensive 3 second rule

besides that, Kobe is a fucking jump shooter at this stage in his career, do you really think he wants to be hand checked????

why do you think Jordan developed and perfected the turn around J....as he aged, it couldnt be defended

man from now on, im debating cats who have a basketball IQ

this shit is ridiculous!

 

[TheFuser]

nigga that is a fucking list....You listed the things that Kobe has done that Jordan didnt as the premise of your argumetn....are you stupid. ok..you made the list..unfortunately the list of things that Jordan has done that Kobe hasnt even infinintely longer..

This shit is an easy argument. Kobe doesnt win in either of two ways you can analyze this... quantatively (stats) or qualitatively (accomplishments like titles, mvps, etc). And its easy to analyze being the played the same position.

And Mike did it during a time where people actually played defense.

 

[Pworld297]

That article reeks of Jordan hate about halfway through. When talking about Jordan as a teamate. Then its a Lakers source. Anytime you sway one way or the other you lose all credibilty... Kobe is great but Jordan is an Icon alot of people who cant really say they saw his best years, therfore this debate is only gonna get more comical the longer Jordan is gone. When Jordan was in his prime he had no equal... He didnt get one until Kobe came on the scene... Jordan started his career in the early 80s!!! Enough said... Kobe has peers, Lebron Wade, Melo...

You are right my friend, Magic had Bird and Kobe is not in a class by himself. LeBron is ready to take his thrown if you ask me. If Jordan played with Shaq he would have at least 10 titles, he would of not let his ego get in the way of winning championships, the nigga played with Dennis Rodman, I rest my case.

 

[hog fat]

Kobe is definitely a better shooter than MJ...

Let's wait until Kobe retires before we crown him.

Top 5 of all-time for sure!!!

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

Kobe is definitely a better shooter than MJ...

Word?

MJ Career FG% .497

Kobe Career FG% .456


http://www.nba.com

 

[Spectrum]

Word?

MJ Career FG% .497

Kobe Career FG% .456


http://www.nba.com

exactly.... people seems to be allergic to stats here

 

[bigred22]

Kobe CANNOT eclipse Jordan until he learns how to play unselfishly.

NIGGA JORDAN TOOK LIKE 50 SHOTS per game!!!

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

and this shit wouldn't happen in the Jordan era

 

[Spectrum]

and this shit wouldn't happen in the Jordan era

 

[cli-terminator]

and this shit wouldn't happen in the Jordan era

That shit still pisses me off

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Word?

MJ Career FG% .497

Kobe Career FG% .456


http://www.nba.com

exactly.... people seems to be allergic to stats here

That's comparing Jordan's final stat to Kobe's active stats. Jordan will never be able to better hi percentage, but Kobe can. If you cats are going to quote and rebut the man, address his entire quote...

Kobe is definitely a better shooter than MJ...

Let's wait until Kobe retires before we crown him.

Top 5 of all-time for sure!!!

They're only 0.041% separated. You don't think Kobe can close that gap before retiring?

 

[D-TOWN REP]

yeah im bout to quote all this shit

Let me help you out just to put this in perspective..

Record: scoring average NBA Finals
41.0
(1993) Record: Regular Season Career Scoring average
30.1 Points per game in Playoffs, career average
33.4
Record: NBA Scoring Titles
10
(1987-93, 1996-98)
Record: Consecutive NBA Scoring Titles
7
(1987-93) Record: most points in a playoff game
63
(against Boston on May 20, 1986, first round) Record: most Finals MVP
6
(1991-93, 1996-98) Record: All-Defensive First Team
9
(1988-93, 1996-98)
Record: total points, playoffs, career
5,987 Record: Field Goals Attempted, playoffs
4,497 Record: Free Throws Made, playoffs
1,463 Record: Consecutive games with 10 or more points
866
Record: Slam Dunk Contest Titles


NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)

Member of six NBA championship teams (1991-93, 1996-98)

Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991-92, 1996, 1998)

Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player (1991-93, 1996-98)

Ten-time All-NBA First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)

All-NBA Second team (1985)

Nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)

NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)

NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)

NBA All-Rookie Team (1985)

Two-time IBM Award winner, for all-around contribution to team's success (1985, 1989)

Three-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)

Participated in 11 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98), starting 10 times, and missed another due to injury

Holds the NBA All-Star Game career record for highest scoring average (21.3 ppg)

Recorded only triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland

Won the Nestle Crunch Slam Dunk in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985

Passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to become the NBA's all-time leading playoff scorer (5,762 points) during the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals

Passed Dennis Johnson into fourth place on the NBA's all-time playoff assists list (1,006), in an 88-83 victory over the Indiana Pacers in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1997-98

Scored his 29,000th career point, posting a game-high 41 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists, in a 107-93 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves on 4/3

Broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's NBA record by scoring in double-digits for the 788th consecutive game, scoring a game-high 33 points, against the Minnesota Timberwolves on 12/30/97

Scored a career-high 69 points in a 117-113 overtime win at Cleveland on 3/28/90

Chicago Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277 points), assists (5,012) and steals (2,306)

Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading league in scoring -- 10; highest points per game average (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) -- 31.5; most seasons leading league in field goals made -- 10; and most seasons leading league in field goals attempted -- 10

Shares the NBA career record for most seasons with 2,000 or more points -- 11; and most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring --7 (1986-87 through 1992-93)

Holds single-game records for most free throws made in one half -- 20 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one half -- 23 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)

Shares single-game records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 14 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one quarter -- 16 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)

Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average -- 41.0 ppg (1993)

Holds NBA Finals record for most three-point field goals made -- 42; and most consecutive games with 20 or more points -- 35 (June 2, 1991-June 14, 1998)

Holds the NBA Finals single-game record for most points in one half -- 35 (June 3, 1992 vs. Portland)

Shares NBA Finals single-game records for most field goals made in one half -- 14; and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 3, 1992, vs. Portland); most free throws made in one quarter -- 9 (June 11, 1997 vs. Utah); and most free throws attempted in one half -- 15 (June 4, 1997, vs. Utah)

Holds the NBA Playoffs record for most points -- 5,987; highest points-per-game average (minimum 25 games or 625 points) -- 33.4 ppg; most field goals attempted -- 4,497; most free throws made -- 1,463; most free throws attempted -- 1,766; and most steals -- 376

Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 4/20/86, setting an NBA record for most points in a playoff game

Holds single-game playoff records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 13; and most free throws attempted in one quarter -- 14 (May 21, 1991, vs. Detroit)

Shares single-game playoff records for most field goals made -- 24 (May 1, 1998, vs. Cleveland); most field goals attempted in one half -- 25 (May 1, 1988, vs. Cleveland); and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 6, 1992, vs. Portland)

Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (May 9, 1989 and June 2, 1993)

Notched 28th career triple-doubles, the last being a 30 point, 11 rebound and 10 assist effort against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97

Member of the gold-medal-winning U.S. Olympic team (1984, 1992)

As a freshman at the University of North Carolina, hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA Championship game

Named College Player of the Year by The Sporting News in both 1983 and 1984 and won the Naismith and Wooden Awards in 1984



Achievements
Plaque chronicling the career achievements of Jordan at the United Center.

* Scored in double-digits in all but one of 1,109 games as a Chicago Bull (8 points on March 25, 1986 vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers)
* Scored 20 or more points in 1,099 games (926 regular season, 173 postseason)
* Scored 30 or more points in 671 games (562 regular season, 109 postseason)
* Scored 40 or more points in 211 games (173 regular season, 38 postseason)
* Scored 50 or more points in 39 games (31 regular season, 8 postseason)
* Scored 60 or more points in 5 games (4 regular season, 1 postseason)
* Recorded 31 triple-doubles (28 regular season, 2 postseason, 1 All-Star Game)
* Recorded 240 double-doubles (201 regular season, 39 postseason)
* 11-time regular season leader, total points (1984-85, 1986-93, 1995-98)
* 10-time regular season leader, scoring average (1986-93, 1995-98)
* 3-time regular season leader, steals (1987-88, 1989-90, 1992-93)

[edit] NBA Finals

Jordan played in six NBA Finals for a total of 35 games.

* 6-time NBA champion (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98)
* scored 40 or more points in six games, and 50 or more in one game
* averaged 33.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, and 6.0 apg
* 6-time Finals MVP (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98)

Holds NBA Finals records for:

* Finals MVP honors (6)

* named MVP in each Finals appearance

* scoring average, single-series (41.0 ppg)

* set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns

* consecutive games, 20 or more points (35, June 2, 1991-June 14, 1998)
* only player to score 20 or more points in all games, career (min. 15 games)

* Jordan scored at least 20 in all 35 of his Finals performances

* consecutive games, 40 or more points (4, June 11-18, 1993)
* points, one half (35)

* set in 1st half vs. the Portland Trail Blazers, June 3, 1992

* field goals made, one half (14)

* did so twice; vs. Portland, June 3, 1992 and vs. Phoenix, June 16, 1993
* shared with Isiah Thomas

* consecutive field goals made (13)

* set vs. the Los Angeles Lakers on June 5, 1991

* free throws made, quarter (9)

* shared with Frank Ramsey

* three point field goals made, one half (6)

* set vs. the Portland Trail Blazers, June 3, 1992
* shared with Kenny Smith

* scoring 30 or more points in all games of series

* set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
* shared with Elgin Baylor, Rick Barry, Hakeem Olajuwon and Shaquille O'Neal

* points, 6-game series (246)

* set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns

* field goals made, 6-game series (101)

* set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns

* steals, 5-game series (14)

* set in the 1991 NBA Finals vs. the Los Angeles Lakers

* highest assists average not by a point guard, single-series (11.4 apg)

* set in the 1991 NBA Finals vs. the Los Angeles Lakers

Rank among NBA Finals leaders in other stats:

* 2nd, points, game (55 vs. Phoenix Suns, June 16, 1993)
* 2nd, points, one half (33 in 1st half vs. the Phoenix Suns, June 16, 1993)

* shared with Elgin Baylor

* 2nd, three point field goals made, career (42)
* 2nd, field goals made, 5-game series (63)
* 3rd, points, career (1,176)
* 3rd, three point field goals attempted, career (114)
* 4th, steals, career (62)
* 5th, field goals made, career (438)
* 6th, total assists, career (209)
* 6th, free throws made, career (258)
* 7th, field goals attempted, career (901)
* 8th, free throws attempted, career (320)

[edit] Playoffs

Holds NBA Playoff Records for:

* points per game average, career (33.45)
* points, career (5,987)
* points, single postseason (759, 1992)

* also ranks 5th (680, 1998) and 6th (666, 1993)

* 50 point games (8)
* 40 point games (38)
* 30 point games (109)
* 20 point games (174)
* consecutive games, 15 or more points (179)

* scored 15 points or more in every career playoff game

* consecutive games, 20 or more points (60)

* June 2, 1989 - May 11, 1993

* points in a game (63)

* set vs. the Boston Celtics, April 20, 1986
* averaged 43.7 ppg, 5.7 apg, and 6.3 rpg for the three games series against the Boston Celtics

* points in a 3-game series (135)

* set in the 1992 First Round vs. the Miami Heat

* points in a 5-game series (226)

* set in the 1988 First Round vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers

* field goals attempted, career (4,497)
* field goals made per game, career (12.2)
* field goals made in a game (24)

* set vs. Cleveland Cavaliers on May 1, 1988
* shared with Wilt Chamberlain and John Havlicek

* field goals attempted, half (25)

* set vs. Cleveland Cavaliers on May 1, 1988
* shared with Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor

* field goals made in a 3-game series (53)

* set in the 1992 First Round vs. the Miami Heat

* field goals made in a 5-game series (86)

* set in the 1988 First Round vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers

* field goals made in a 6-game series (101)

* set in 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns

* consecutive field goals made (13)

* set vs. the Los Angeles Lakers on June 5, 1991

* free throws made, career (1,463)
* free throws made, quarter (13)
* blocks by a guard, career (158)
* free throws made per game, rookie (12.0)
* free throws attempted per game, rookie (14.5)

Rank among NBA Playoff leaders in other stats:

* 2nd, free throws attempted (1,766)
* 2nd, field goals made, career (2,188)
* 2nd, steals, career (376)

* Scottie Pippen is the all-time leader with 395

* 2nd, field goals made, single postseason (290, 1992)

* also holds the 6th (251, 1993), 7th (243, 1998), and 10th (227, 1997) highest

* 2nd, field goals attempted, single postseason (581, 1992)

* also holds the 4th (528, 1993), 5th (526, 1998), and 8th (498, 1997) highest

* 2nd, points, 3-game series (131)

* set in the 1986 First Round against the Boston Celtics

* 2nd, points, 4-game series (147)

* set in the 1990 First Round against the Milwaukee Bucks

* 2nd, points, 5-game series (215)

* set in the 1990 Conference Semifinals against the Philadelphia 76ers

* 2nd, points, 6-game series (246)

* set in the 1993 NBA Finals against the Phoenix Suns

* 2nd, rebounds by a guard, career (1,152)

* Magic Johnson is the all-time leader with 1,465

* 3rd, free throws made, single postseason (183, 1989)

* also holds the 4th highest with 181 in 1998

* 4th, points per game average, rookie (29.2)

* Following Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (35.2), Wilt Chamberlain (33.2), and George Mikan (30.3)

* 4th, steals per game average, rookie (2.8)

* shared with Andre Iguodala

* 5th, assists per game average, rookie (8.5)
* 5th, assists, career (1,022)
* 6th, free throw attempts, single postseason (229, 1989)

* also holds the 8th highest with 223 in 1998

* 7th, three point field goals attempted, career (446)
* 7th, minutes played, career (7,474)
* 9th, three point field goals made, career (148)

Other:

* only player to record back-to-back 50 point games

* Set in Games 1 and 2 of 1988 First Round against the Cleveland Cavaliers (April 28 May 1, 1988)

* recorded two playoff career triple-doubles

* both against the New York Knicks (May 9, 1989 and June 2, 1993)

[edit] All-Star Game

* selected 14 times (1985-93, 1996-98, 2002-03)

* started in 13 of the 14 years, including rookie season, and missed one due to injury (1986)

* 3-time All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)

Holds NBA All-Star Game records for:

* points, career (262)
* field goals made, career (110)
* field goals made, game (17)

* shared with Wilt Chamberlain and Kevin Garnett

* field goals attempted, career (233)
* field goals attempted, game (27)

* shared with Rick Barry

* steals, career (37)
* blocked shots, half (4)

Rank among NBA All-Star Game leaders in other stats:

* 2nd, selections (14)

* behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (16)

* 2nd, points, game (40)

* finished with 40 points on 73.9% shooting, 8 rebounds, 3 assists (1988, in Chicago)

* 3rd, scoring average (20.2)
* 3rd, minutes, career (382)

Other:

* recorded the only All-Star Game triple-double (14 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 assists in 1997, in Cleveland)

[edit] Regular season

Holds NBA regular season records for:

* All-Defensive First Team honors (9)

* shared with Gary Payton

* Player Efficiency Rating, career (27.91)
* points per game average, career (30.12)
* consecutive games scoring in double-digits (866)
* seasons leading the league in points per game average (10)
* consecutive seasons leading the league in points per game average (7, 1986-87 through 1992-93)

* shared with Wilt Chamberlain
* Appears on the All-time top 100 list of most points per game in a season a record 9 times.

* seasons leading the league in total points (11)

* Appears on the All-time top 100 list of most points in a season a record 11 times.

* seasons leading the league in field goals made (10)
* consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7)

* shared with Wilt Chamberlain

* seasons leading the league in field goals attempted (9)
* seasons leading the league in steals per game (3)
* highest Game Score on record

* 64.6 at the Cleveland Cavaliers on March 28, 1990

* free throws made, one half

* 20, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992

* free throws attempted, one half

* 23, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992

* free throws made, one quarter (shared)

* 14, against the Utah Jazz on November 15, 1989, and against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992

* free throws attempted, one quarter (shared)

* 16, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992

* steals, one half (8)

* shared with 11 players

* oldest player to score 50 points in one game (51 points, 7 rebounds, aged 38 years, 315 days)

* against the New Orleans Hornets, December 29, 2001

* oldest player and only player at age 40 or older to score 40 points in one game (43 points, 10 rebounds)

* against the New Jersey Nets, February 21, 2003
* scored 40 or more points 3 times, in his final year
* scored 30 or more points 9 times, in his final year
* scored 20 or more points 42 times, in his final year

* blocked shots by a guard, season (131, 1987-88)
* blocked shots by a guard, career (893)

Rank among NBA Regular season leaders in other stats:

* 2nd, MVP honors (5)

* Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was voted MVP six times

* 2nd, seasons with 2,000 or more points (11)

* Karl Malone holds the record with 12

* 2nd, seasons leading the league in steals (3; 1987-88, 1989-90, 1992-93)
* 2nd, steals, career (2,514)
* 2nd, consecutive points scored in a game

* 23 against the Atlanta Hawks on April 16, 1987; finished with 61 points
* Manu Ginobili scored 24 straight on February 22, 2007

* 2nd, consecutive triple-doubles (7)[16]

* shared with Oscar Robertson
* recorded a triple-double in ten games over an eleven game stretch, March 24 April 14, 1989
* fell just short in the one game, (which would have allowed for eleven consecutive triple-doubles) with a double-double effort of 40 points, 11 assists and 7 rebounds.
* Wilt Chamberlain had 9 straight

* 3rd, 60 point games (4)
* 2nd, 50 point games (31)
* 2nd, 40 point games (173)
* 2nd, 30 point games (561)
* 3rd, consecutive games scoring 20 or more points (72, December 29, 1987-December 6, 1988)

* two longest streaks set by Wilt Chamberlain
* Jordan also registered a streak of 69 consecutive games scoring 20 or more points during the 1990-91 season.

* 3rd, consecutive games scoring 40 or more points (9, November 28-December 12, 1986)

* two longest streaks set by Wilt Chamberlain

* 3rd, total points, career (32,292)
* 3rd, points in a season (3,041, 1986-87)

* first two held by Wilt Chamberlain
* Jordan appears on this All-Time NBA Top 100 list a record 11 times

* 3rd, field goals attempted, career (24,537)
* 3rd, free throws made in a season (833, 1986-87)

* Behind Jerry West (840, '66) and Wilt Chamberlain (835, '62)
* Jordan is also the 10th All-Time leader for most free throws in a season (723, '88)
* appears on this All-Time top 100 list a total of 6 times

* 4th, consecutive games (shared) scoring 40 or more points (9, 1986-87)

* three longest streaks set by Wilt Chamberlain
* Jordan in fact scored 40 or more points in 11 of 12 games during this period.

* 4th, steals per game, career (2.35)
* 4th, field goals made, career (12,192)
* 4th, free throws made, career (7,327)
* 6th, field goals made, season (1,098, in 1986-87)

* First 4 are held by Wilt Chamberlain, 5th by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
* Jordan appears on this top 100 list a total an NBA record of 11 times
* Jordan is also 9th in field goals made in a season (1,069, in 1987-88)

* 6th, field goals attempted, season (2,279, in 1987)

* first 5 records are held by Wilt Chamberlain
* Jordan appears on this NBA's record top 100 list a total of 10 times

* 6th, points per game average, season (37.1)

* 4 are held by Wilt Chamberlain, 1 by Elgin Baylor.
* Jordan appears on this all-time NBA Top 100 list a record 10 times

* 6th, points per game average by a rookie, (28.2, 1984-85)

* ranked 3rd that season, behind the New York Knicks Bernard King, and the Boston Celtics Larry Bird

* 8th, free throws attempted, career (8,772)
* 8th, steals per game average, season (3.16, 1987-88)

* appears on the All-Time top 100 list a total of 6 times

Other:

* only player in NBA history to lead league in scoring and be Defensive Player of the Year in same season
* only player in NBA history to be Most Valuable Player, Defensive Player of the Year, and lead league in scoring in same season
* first player in NBA history to be Most Valuable Player and Defensive Player of the Year in same season

* Hakeem Olajuwon is the only other player to do so.

* one of 10+ players in NBA history to lead team in four statistics in a season

* In his rookie season, Jordan led his team in scoring (28.2 ppg), rebounding (6.5 rpg), assists (5.9 apg) and steals (2.4 spg), hence making him also the only rookie to perform this feat. He was second on the team in blocks.
* Jordan again led the Bulls in four of the five statistics in the 1987-88 season; scoring (35.0 ppg), assists (5.9 apg), steals (3.2 spg) and blocked shots (1.6 bpg).

* only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season (3,041 in 1986-87)
* first player in NBA history to collect both a scoring title and win a Defensive Player of the Year award in his career

* David Robinson is the only other player to do so.

* first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season (236 steals, 125 blocks in 1986-87)

* Hakeem Olajuwon (1988-89) and Scottie Pippen (1989-90) are the only other players to do so.

* only player in NBA history to consecutively record 200 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season (259 steals, 131 blocks in 1987-88)

* 1986 through 1988

* only player in NBA history with multiple seasons of 200 steals and 100 blocked shots
* first player in NBA history to lead league both in scoring average and steals in same season

* did so for three seasons (1987-88, 1989-90, 1992-93)
* Allen Iverson is the only other player to do so, and has performed the feat twice.

* fourth player in NBA history to lead league in scoring average and win an NBA championship in same season

* did so for six seasons (1990-1993, 1996-1998)

* led the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls to an All-Time NBA Best Regular season record, with 72 wins, 10 losses

* averaged a league high 30.4 ppg

* led the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls to an All-Time NBA Best combined Regular and Post Season record with, 87 wins, 13 losses
* won the 1996 and 1998 Regular Season MVP, All-Star MVP, and NBA Finals MVP

* Willis Reed (1970) and Shaquille O'Neal (2000) are the only players to do so, Jordan is the only player to perform the feat twice

* one of three players to be an Olympic basketball gold medalist both as an amateur and professional
* one of three players in NBA history to average 20+ points, 5+ assists, and 5+ rebounds as a rookie

* joined by Oscar Robertson and LeBron James

* The only player in NBA history that has won Rookie Of The Year (1985), Regular Season MVP (5 times), All-Star MVP (3 times), Finals MVP (6 times), and Most Defensive Player of The Year Awards.

[edit] Chicago Bulls franchise records

Michael Jordan holds approximately 200 records as a Chicago Bull.
[edit] Regular Season Records

Most Points

* Jordan holds 92 of the top 100 scoring games in Chicago Bulls history.

* Game (OT): 69 — at Cleveland Cavaliers, March 28, 1990
* Game: 61 — vs Atlanta Hawks, April 16, 1987
* Half: 39 — vs Milwaukee Bucks, February 16, 1988 (2nd half)
* Quarter: 30 — at Denver Nuggets, November 26, 1989 (4th quarter)

Most Field Goals Made

* Game (OT): 27 — vs Orlando Magic, January 16, 1993
* Game: 24 — at Philadelphia 76ers, November 16, 1988
* Half: 15 — vs Orlando Magic, January 16, 1993 (1st half)
* Quarter: 11 twice — vs Orlando Magic, January 16, 1993 (1st quarter)

Most Field Goals Attempted

* Game (OT): 49 — vs Orlando Magic, January 16, 1993
* Game: 43 thrice — vs Orlando Magic, February 14, 1990
* Half: 24 — vs Orlando Magic, January 16, 1993 (2nd half)
* Overtime period: 8 — vs Seattle SuperSonics, February 23, 1988

Most Free Throws Made

* Game: 26 — vs New Jersey Nets, February 26, 1987
* Half: 20 — at Miami Heat, December 30, 1992 (2nd half)
* Quarter: 14 twice — at Utah Jazz, November 15, 1989 (4th quarter) — at Miami Heat, December 30, 1992 (4th quarter)

Most Free Throws Made, None Missed

* Game: 15 — vs New Jersey Nets, January 10, 1987

Most Free Throws Attempted

* Game: 27 — vs New Jersey Nets, February 26, 1987
* Half: 23 — at Miami Heat, December 30, 1992 (2nd half)
* Quarter: 16 — at Miami Heat, December 30, 1992 (4th quarter)

Most Personal Fouls

* Quarter: 6 — vs Detroit Pistons, January 31, 1989 (4th quarter)

Most Steals

* Game: 10 — vs New Jersey Nets, January 29, 1988
* Half: 8 — at Boston Celtics, November 9, 1988 (1st half)
* Quarter: 6 — vs New Jersey Nets, January 29, 1988 (3rd quarter)

Most Consecutive Points

* Game: 23 — vs Atlanta Hawks, April 16, 1987

* Jordan also scored 18 consecutive points, all within the 4th quarter, in a game vs. the New York Knicks on November 21, 1986.

Single-Season Records

* Points: 3,041 — 1986-87
* Points Per Game: 37.1 — 1986-87
* Field Goals Made: 1098 — 1986-87
* Field Goals Attempted: 2279 — 1986-87
* Field Goal Percentage, guard: .539 — 1990-91
* Free Throws Made: 833 — 1986-87
* Free Throws Attempted: 972 — 1986-87
* Steals: 259 — 1987-88
* Steals Per Game: 3.16 — 1987-88
* Games Played: 82 eight times

Career Records

* Seasons Played: 13
* Games Played: 930
* Minutes: 35,887
* Minutes Per Game: 38.6
* Points: 29,277
* Points Per Game: 31.5
* Field Goals Made: 10,962
* Field Goals Attempted: 21,686
* Field Goal Percentage, guard: .505
* Free Throws Made: 6,798
* Free Throws Attempted: 8,115
* Rebounds: 5,836
* Defensive Rebounds: 4,289
* Assists: 5,012
* Steals: 2,306
* Steals Per Game: 2.48

[edit] Other Selected Regular Season Records

Most Games

* Scoring 50 or more points, career: 30
* Scoring 40 or more points, career: 165
* Scoring 30 or more points, career: 536
* Scoring 20 or more points, career: 848
* Scoring 10 or more points, career: 929
* Scoring 50 or more points, season: 8 — 1986-87
* Scoring 40 or more points, season: 37 — 1986-87
* Scoring 30 or more points, season: 67 — 1986-87
* Scoring 20 or more points, season: 79 twice — 1986-87 & 1987-88
* Scoring 10 or more points, season: 82 eight times
* Recording 15 or more assists, career: 5
* Recording 10 or more assists, career: 74
* Recording 5 or more assists, career: 528
* Recording 5 or more steals, career: 102

Most Consecutive Games

* Scoring 50 or more points: 3
* Scoring 40 or more points: 9
* Scoring 30 or more points: 11
* Scoring 20 or more points: 72
* Scoring 15 or more points: 271
* Scoring 10 or more points: 840 (current)
* Recording 10 or more assists: 12
* Recording a steal: 77 — March 25, 1988-March 17, 1989

* Jordan recorded a steal in 80 of 81 games played in the 1988-89 season.

* Recording a triple-double: 7 — March 25-April 6, 1989

* Jordan recorded a triple-double in 10 of 11 games. His one miss was a 40 point, 11 assist, 7 rebound performance.

Most Seasons

* Scoring 2000 or more points: 11
* Scoring 1000 or more points: 11
* Averaging 30 or more points per game: 8
* Averaging 20 or more points per game: 13

[edit] Playoffs Records

Single-Game Records

* Points: 63, Michael Jordan, at Boston, 4-20-1986

* Field Goals: 24, Michael Jordan, vs Cleveland, 5-1-1988

* Field Goals Attempted: 45, Michael Jordan, vs Cleveland, 5-1-1988

* Free Throws: 22, Michael Jordan, vs Cleveland, 4-28-1988

* Free Throws Attempted: 27, Michael Jordan, vs Cleveland, 4-28-1988

* Free Throw Percentage (min. 10 made)

* 1.000 (11-11), Michael Jordan, at Seattle, 6-9-1996
* 1.000 (10-10), Michael Jordan, vs Washington, 4-27-1997

* Assists: 14, Michael Jordan, at New York, 6-2-1993

* Steals: 6, 4 different games

Single-Series Records

* Points: 246, Michael Jordan, vs Phoenix, 1993 NBA Finals

* Points Per Game: 45.2, Michael Jordan, vs Cleveland, 1988 First Round

* Field Goals: 101, Michael Jordan, vs Phoenix, 1993 NBA Finals

* Field Goals Per Game: 17.0, Michael Jordan, vs Cleveland, 1988 First Round

* Field Goals Attempted: 199, Michael Jordan, vs Phoenix, 1993 NBA Finals

* Field Goals Attempted Per Game: 33.2, Michael Jordan, vs Phoenix, 1993 NBA Finals

* Free Throws Made: 68, Michael Jordan, vs New York, 1989 Eastern Semifinals

* Free Throws Made Per Game

* 11.67, Michael Jordan, vs New Jersey, 1998 First Round
* 11.33, Michael Jordan, vs Boston, 1986 First Round
* 11.33, Michael Jordan, vs New York, 1989 Semifinals

* Free Throws Attempted

* 74, Michael Jordan, vs New York, 1989 Semifinals
* 74, Michael Jordan, vs Indiana, 1998 Eastern Finals

* Free Throws Attempted Per Game: 15.0, Michael Jordan, vs New Jersey, 1998 First Round

* Free Throw Percentage (min. 15 made)

* 1.000 (15-15), Michael Jordan, vs Washington, 1997 First Round
* 1.000 (28-28), Ben Gordon, vs Detroit, 2007 Semifinals

* Assists: 57, Michael Jordan, vs L.A. Lakers, 1991 NBA Finals

* Assists Per Game: 11.4, Michael Jordan, vs. L.A. Lakers, 1991 NBA Finals

Career Records

* Points: 5987

* Points Per Game: 33.5

* Field Goals: 2188

* Field Goals Per Game: 12.2

* Field Goals Attempted: 4497

* Field Goals Attempted Per Game: 25.1

* Free Throws: 1463

* Free Throws Per Game: 8.2

* Free Throws Attempted: 1766

* Free Throws Attempted Per Game: 9.9

* Assists: 1022

* Steals: 376

* Steals Per Game: 2.10

* Minutes: 7474

* Games Played: 179

Other Selected Playoffs Records

* Games, 50+ points: 8

* Games, 40+ points: 38

* Games, 30+ points: 109

* Games, 20+ points: 173

* Games, 10+ points: 179

* Consecutive games, 50+ points: 2

* Consecutive games, 40+ points: 4

* Consecutive games, 30+ points: 8

* Consecutive games, 20+ points: 60

* Consecutive games, 15+ points: 179

* Games, 10+ assists: 20

* Games, 5+ assists: 109

* Consecutive games, 8+ assists: 7

* Consecutive games, 5+ assists: 21

* Postseasons, 500+ points: 8

* Postseasons, 30+ points per game: 12

* Postseasons, 20+ points per game: 13

* Consecutive postseasons, 30+ points per game: 12

* Consecutive postseasons, 20+ points per game: 13

* Postseasons, 5+ rebounds per game: 12

* Postseasons, 100+ assists: 5

* Postseasons, 8+ assists per game: 2

* Postseasons, 5+ assists per game: 8

* Postseasons, 2+ steals per game: 10

* Points in a series by a rookie: 117

* Games, 30+ points by a rookie: 2

* Games, 20+ points by a rookie: 4

* Consecutive games, 20+ points by a rookie: 4

* Jordan is also both the fastest (in terms of games played) and youngest (in terms of age) player in franchise history to reach every point mark from 1 through 29 thousand points. He is second in league history in most of these respects behind Wilt Chamberlain.

[edit] Washington Wizards franchise records

* points scored, first quarter: 24 vs. Charlotte Hornets on December 29, 2001
* points scored, second quarter: 19 vs. Chicago on January 4, 2002
* points scored, half: 34 vs. Charlotte on December 29, 2001
* MCI Center record for points scored, game: 51 vs. Charlotte on December 29, 2001

* Shared with Gilbert Arenas

[edit] Career highs

Regular season:

* points: 69 (March 28, 1990 at Cleveland Cavaliers)
* field goals made: 27 (January 16, 1993 vs. Orlando Magic)
* field goals attempted: 49 (January 16, 1993 vs. Orlando Magic)
* field goal percentage (min. 10 made): .828, 24-29 (November 16, 1988 at Philadelphia 76ers)
* three point field goals made: 7 (January 18, 1990 vs. Golden Sate Warriors)
* three point field goal attempted: 12 (January 18, 1990 vs. Golden Sate Warriors)
* free throws made: 26 (February 26, 1987 vs. New Jersey Nets)
* free throws attempted: 27 (February 26, 1987 vs. New Jersey Nets)
* offensive rebounds: 8 4 times (November 28, 1986 at Los Angeles Lakers; December 5, 1989 vs. Denver Nuggets; December 21, 1990 vs. Los Angeles Lakers; March 18, 1997 vs Seattle SuperSonics)
* defensive rebounds: 14 (March 16, 1996 at New Jersey Nets)
* total rebounds: 18 twice (March 28, 1990 at Cleveland Cavaliers; and March 18, 1997 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)
* assists: 17 (March 24, 1989 at Portland Trail Blazers)
* steals: 10 (January 29, 1988 vs. New Jersey Nets)
* blocks: 6 (December 2, 1986 at Seattle SuperSonics)
* minutes played: 56 (February 3, 1992 at Utah Jazz)

Postseason:

* points: 63 (April 20, 1986 at Boston Celtics) *
* field goals made: 24 (May 1, 1988 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers) *
* field goals attempted: 45 (May 1, 1988 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers)
* field goal percentage (min. 10 made): .833, 15-18 (June 5, 1991, Game 2 of NBA Finals vs. Los Angeles Lakers)
* three point field goals made: 6 twice (June 3, 1992, Game 1 of NBA Finals vs. Portland Trail Blazers; May 31, 1993 vs. New York Knicks)
* three point field goals attempted: 11 (May 11, 1990 at Philadelphia 76ers)
* free throws made: 23 (May 14, 1989 vs. New York Knicks)
* free throws attempted: 28 (May 14, 1989 vs. New York Knicks)
* offensive rebounds: 8 (May 21, 1992 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers)
* defensive rebounds: 15 (May 14, 1991 vs. Philadelphia 76ers)
* total rebounds: 19 (May 14, 1991 vs. Philadelphia 76ers)
* assists: 14 (June 2, 1993 at New York Knicks)
* steals: 6 4 times (May 15, 1988 vs. Detroit Pistons; May 13, 1989 vs. New York Knicks; May 16, 1990 vs. Philadelphia 76ers; April 30, 1991 at New York Knicks)
* blocks: 5 (May 25, 1991 at Detroit Pistons)
* minutes played: 57 (June 13, 1993, Game 3 of NBA Finals vs. Phoenix Suns)

* NBA record
[edit] Other interesting notes

* Games in which Jordan was leading scorer: 700 * [1][17][18]
* Games in which Jordan was team's leading scorer: 867 *
* Games in which Jordan was Bulls leading scorer: 793 *
* Percentage of team's points, career: .290 (32,292/111,541)[19]
* Highest percentage of team's points, game: .602 (56/93), March 24, 1987 vs. Philadelphia 76ers[20]

* Including ties

 

[TruDat]

lurking 15-day member need to say no to drugs
i like Kobe too but come on put this down before
you fukk up your brain even more

ahh shyt i just fed the troll

 

[Blunt]

and this shit wouldn't happen in the Jordan era

I think you mean this:

 

[Spectrum]

That's comparing Jordan's final stat to Kobe's active stats. Jordan will never be able to better hi percentage, but Kobe can. If you cats are going to quote and rebut the man, address his entire quote...

Kobe would have to shoot in the mid 50s for the rest of his career to catch Jordan. Impossible......not going to happen.

Kobe has no chance statistically against Jordan. He is playing for TITLES now.. it is the only real way he will be able to make his case... he has catch Jordan is titles.. that is the most important thing for him to do now...and it is very possible that he can do that with this young Laker team..

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

That's comparing Jordan's final stat to Kobe's active stats. Jordan will never be able to better hi percentage, but Kobe can. If you cats are going to quote and rebut the man, address his entire quote...

They're only 0.041% separated. You don't think Kobe can close that gap before retiring?

Dude its career FG% which means its pretty much always going to stay around the same average after 13 years of playing..and dude said Kobe was a way better shooter, and I was showing that they're pretty much the same..........and as far as Kobe closing the gap historically the number goes down after not up and Kobe hasn't shot over .470 for his whole career.....and Jordan shot over .495 8 times in his career......AND If Jordan wouldn't have played those last 2 years with Washington his would have been even higher

 

[BlackStar6870]

drugs r bad

JODAN here






















kobe here any questions????

 

[Blunt]

Kobe has no chance statistically against Jordan.

Well, he will end up the 2nd highest scoring player in history. But average-wise, no, he won't likely end up surpassing Jordan in any major category (other than FT% and 3-PT%).

 

[Nobody]

dude, i knew you liked kobe but i didnt know you were a stan

this shit you typed is beyond ridiculous

its obvious you know nothing about the game and how the game changed "after" jordan retired because offensive production went south

thats why they made rules for hand checking and the defensive 3 second rule

besides that, Kobe is a fucking jump shooter at this stage in his career, do you really think he wants to be hand checked????

why do you think Jordan developed and perfected the turn around J....as he aged, it couldnt be defended

man from now on, im debating cats who have a basketball IQ

this shit is ridiculous!

How can I take YOU seriously when all you did was focus on one name?

I mentioned Lebron and Wade and even Melo. Yet all you do is focus on my mentioning of Kobe also.

The fact is, there was a lull in talent in the NBA after Jordan. This happens in the NBA. Weren't Magic and Bird considered as guys who saved the NBA? There was a lull before them too. Now look at the NBA, it's rich with talent.

The changes in rules were to help the white and foreign players that started coming into the league.

 

[Spectrum]

Well, he will end up the 2nd highest scoring player in history. But average-wise, no, he won't likely end up surpassing Jordan in any major category (other than FT% and 3-PT%).

Yep. That is about the only stat he really has a legitimate chance of surpassing Jordan with no problem. But there is a long list of the stats where Jordan will remain well above Kobe.

I think Kobe needs to make his case by getting a couple more titles. He still has a few more years on those legs and the Lakers have a young nucleus and Phil Jackson.... and with the way the Lakers are playing, they do have a legitimate chance of winning a couple of more titles...especially with Garnett struggling with his knees.. Ive always though a healthy Boston team would have beaten the Lakers last year but Garnett cant stay healthy

 

[Bxlegend]

Did you know that in Jordans first year w/ the Wizards, he had more 40+ games than any other player in the NBA that year?

 

[SaKem]

You're definitely young.

Yea younger kids don't understand, they weren't around to watch jordan. Even when Jordan had those amazing games against the Jazz I was a little ass kid. Early 20's cats like myself have a hard time understanding everything cuz we didn't see too much. Remember what I saw was crazy to watch though.