Huge Day for the NBA and Nash to Knicks? Josh Smith to Boston? Felton to LA?

[killa kadafi191]

Yes. But not no 45 million. It won't get to that point anytime soon.

They'll be more covered. It's the dead weight contracts hurting teams. Introduce shorter contracts and non guaranteed final years.

45 million is a looooong way from 62. The players rejected it because they still hve time to negotiate. They'd be foolish for just taking that deal. The NBA won't go back to offering 45. Now the NBAPA is going to see if they can get some more.

There will be a hard cap. But it will NEVER be 45 million at the current rate of the NBA's popularity. 60-75 million plus revenue sharing, shorter contracts and unguaranteed years will go a long way to close that 300 million loss. There was NO way salaries were going to get rolled back, no way there'd be a 45 million dollar hard cap and no way Stern wants to tempt a real lockout that cuts into the season. Not now.

Not with the season the NBA has had. You really think NBA suits want to put an end to what happened in Miami- HELL NO!

All I'm saying is, you operate from a position of acting like you have the inside track and that what you say is what's going to happen.

Anyone can go to hoopshype.com/rumors and find everything you post. But you take rumor and present it as fact.

Just admit you were wrong about Stern's iron fist and it's all good.

Another reason Stern wants to avoid a lockout- his legacy.

http://www.vancouversun.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=4983653


Again I'm at work so I can't cut the quotes out as I would like but again the players are not feeling this flex cap propsal because as it will eventually lead to a hard cap. I mean as David Aldridge said that is the main reason there is a 10 year agreement on this deal what has been the average time between cba agreements...

So u telling me that if the players agree to this current deal that will have the cap go down each year in the span of ten years u don't seeing it get to below 50

Again don't just read where it said owners willing to raise cap to 62 millon read everything and why the players weren't happy with this deal

 

[Nobody]

http://www.vancouversun.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=4983653


Again I'm at work so I can't cut the quotes out as I would like but again the players are not feeling this flex cap propsal because as it will eventually lead to a hard cap. I mean as David Aldridge said that is the main reason there is a 10 year agreement on this deal what has been the average time between cba agreements...

So u telling me that if the players agree to this current deal that will have the cap go down each year in the span of ten years u don't seeing it get to below 50

Again don't just read where it said owners willing to raise cap to 62 millon read everything and why the players weren't happy with this deal

Except that, once a team spent up to the maximum, it would not be able to exceed that amount, period. That's where the what the players consider a "hard cap" resides.

That is why the players don't like it. Not that the cap will come down to 45 or 50 million, but that as it is now, 22 teams are over the 62 million dollar threshold. If the maximum is 70, then it's only 9 teams. If it's 65 then 18 teams are over by a million or more.

They'll ease in the flex cap over the next few seasons, and that is why Stern said it will favor the owners later, when they're all in that 60 million and change range.

They want it to be what it is now, there team salaries can balloon to the 90s. Or they just want that possibility.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Lol @ spending all that money for Paul when felton can do the same damn thing.

 

[AgentCreed]

Lol @ spending all that money for Paul when felton can do the same damn thing.

would u trade rose for felton and be happy to have felton as your pg?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Whoa shy would I trade the MVP?

Cp3 a MVP???

Is cp3 a MVP?

 

[AgentCreed]

Whoa shy would I trade the MVP?

Cp3 a MVP???

Is cp3 a MVP?

cp3 is an elite pg just like rose so answer the question, would u trade rose for felton yes or no...?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Who would trade they MVP?

Vp3 is a bum ass Nigga with bum ass knees who is a crybaby.

IF I didn't have MVP I would def trade Kirk for Felton.!!!!

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Who would trade they MVP?

Vp3 is a bum ass Nigga with bum ass knees who is a crybaby.

IF I didn't have MVP I would def trade Kirk for Felton.!!!!

 

[LegalMoney]

Killa is the BBall thread guru but yeah he does prematurely declare hearsay/rumors as fact. The whole "'Melo to the Nets is Imminent" had me wanting to scream at the monitor! Longest 8 months ever haha..

But feasibly a $45 million cap is unconscionable. 12-15 professional athletes on a team with only $45 million in non-guaranteed money? Even bum ass NHL teams that the owners are using as a reference have a team hard cap of $59.4 million.

Someone needs to bump the thread where Nobody and others predicted a hard cap around $60-$70 million. I always thought that was a more believable number if you have to get rid of exemptions.

 

[conspiracy Bro]

Ac don't feed the Bulls troll.... But yeah I hope the Knicks won't use that space on CP3 either but realistically I can't even see the Knicks having a player making billups money on the roster even if it goes to 75 million. You have to then sign 9 players for a average of less than 3 mil going forward while subtracting their pay every year to accommodate Amare and Melo's rising salaries....

 

[YungDHurt]

5 pages of speculation and ain't shit jumped off lol

 

[The Pope]

This is what I'm hoping for:

Derek Fisher to Orlando for Dwight Howard.

Orlando will get a clutch performer, who has five rings. I see a match made in heaven for Orlando.

that deal wouldnt even be approved in NBA 2k11

 

[Chi Shot Caller]

Rose will never accept not being the highest paid player on the team.

Nope.

And what money did the sox spend?????

The red sox and Yankees yes.

They spent 100 million for a fucking jap

He will get maxed out by his own team which is the most money he can possibly make in the nba. it doesn't matter what he wants, he can't create his own rules. He would still end up being the highest on the team regardless. Boozer is right now and he'd def get more then Deng and Noah cause they weren't maxed.

Don't know where you been man but the White Sox have the 5th highest payroll in baseball, even over the Cubs. You need to check some facts fam before you say some things. The Sox have been over 100m EVERY YEAR since winning the ship back in '04 or '05, i forget which year. They stay paying the big bucks now. Right now off hand I bet Konerko, Rios, Dunn, Buhrle and Peavy are all making over 10m apiece easy. Those 5 kats probably combine to make 65 mil.

 

[april69]

I was thinking Josh Smith could be a good addition for Boston during the playoffs when they faced Chicago .... but I think he lacks maturity and may not like being on a team of vets ... plus Boston is blue collar and he seems like a swag-type

But Boston could def use his athleticism ... dunno what's on the other side of the deal hopefully Jeff Greene

Is that s nice way of saying he is too black for Boston ?

 

[dtownsfinest]

Knicks fans wishing and praying again. Read this script before.

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

Did this fool say, D fisher for Dwight?

 

[dtownsfinest]

would u trade rose for felton and be happy to have felton as your pg?

Personally I think it would be smarter to split that money you'd give Chris Paul and get more solid role players including a guy like Felton. That would be the smarter move. But as the Heat showed sometimes you have to make the more popular move rather than the "smarter move".

 

[Nobody]

Man. Have you guys forgotten Chris Paul's first round already?

If you get the chance to get a player of Chris Paul's caliber - YOU DO IT!

Tell you what. If you give Miami a do-over, knowing what they know this season. Do you think they DON'T sign Chris Bosh again? And he's no Chris Paul.

You know what I see when I saw NY's offense? A team with a point guard(s) with no vision. And Felton wasn't that much better. He's a good point guard, but only a good one.

Paul is a GREAT point guard. And if it's possible to sign him outright, you do it, and fill out the team.

Chris Paul is a player who has a very strong offensive game, but plays the point first and foremost. He can balance the offense, and plays good defense. Not to mention he's a vocal leader and well respected. Lastly, he's one of the biggest competitors in the NBA. It's scary to think how good Amare and Carmelo would be alongside Paul, much less how much better he'll make the other players.

You can hire a defensive assistant, or a new head coach and try to get a center. But the Knicks MUST make an attempt to get Paul.

 

[M.H.C.]

We shall see how the NBA shapes up.

 

[vandamation]

Knicks fans wishing and praying again. Read this script before.

WHY do YALL(Knicks Haters) always want to take our DREAMS away from us... DAMN!!! Reality has been a Mu'Fucka the last 11 or 12 years... We DO have the right the dream... Besides, I have been wishing Amar'e would end up in a Knicks uniform... and that dream came true... I was dreaming we get Lebron or 'Melo... We got 'Melo... So far, my dreams have been coming true... ANd once we get that ring... my PRAYERS will be ANSWERED...

 

[conspiracy Bro]

WHY do YALL(Knicks Haters) always want to take our DREAMS away from us... DAMN!!! Reality has been a Mu'Fucka the last 11 or 12 years... We DO have the right the dream... Besides, I have been wishing Amar'e would end up in a Knicks uniform... and that dream came true... I was dreaming we get Lebron or 'Melo... We got 'Melo... So far, my dreams have been coming true... ANd once we get that ring... my PRAYERS will be ANSWERED...

 

[shaddyvillethug]

He will get maxed out by his own team which is the most money he can possibly make in the nba. it doesn't matter what he wants, he can't create his own rules. He would still end up being the highest on the team regardless. Boozer is right now and he'd def get more then Deng and Noah cause they weren't maxed.

Don't know where you been man but the White Sox have the 5th highest payroll in baseball, even over the Cubs. You need to check some facts fam before you say some things. The Sox have been over 100m EVERY YEAR since winning the ship back in '04 or '05, i forget which year. They stay paying the big bucks now. Right now off hand I bet Konerko, Rios, Dunn, Buhrle and Peavy are all making over 10m apiece easy. Those 5 kats probably combine to make 65 mil.

famo

the cubs gave massive money to garbage ass spics and a jap.

kenny williams HAS NEVER GOTTEN THE BIG FISH HE WANTS.

soriano makes more than the any white sox player.

keep thinking rose gonna stay in chicago with garbage players taking up all da chips.

g5 vs miami noah and boozer sat the whole 4Q. thats like 35 mil RIGHT THERE.

rose gonna want alllllllllllllllll the chips.

if not he bouncing to LA.

 

[dtownsfinest]

WHY do YALL(Knicks Haters) always want to take our DREAMS away from us... DAMN!!! Reality has been a Mu'Fucka the last 11 or 12 years... We DO have the right the dream... Besides, I have been wishing Amar'e would end up in a Knicks uniform... and that dream came true... I was dreaming we get Lebron or 'Melo... We got 'Melo... So far, my dreams have been coming true... ANd once we get that ring... my PRAYERS will be ANSWERED...

Man I don't know what it is with me and Knick fans and their damn wishing upon a star shit. Its just like ya'll are the only fanbase that does that shit. Its never about optimism about getting better like most fans. Ya'll are always talking about the next superstar that you're going to get.

Man. Have you guys forgotten Chris Paul's first round already?

If you get the chance to get a player of Chris Paul's caliber - YOU DO IT!

Tell you what. If you give Miami a do-over, knowing what they know this season. Do you think they DON'T sign Chris Bosh again? And he's no Chris Paul.

You know what I see when I saw NY's offense? A team with a point guard(s) with no vision. And Felton wasn't that much better. He's a good point guard, but only a good one.

Paul is a GREAT point guard. And if it's possible to sign him outright, you do it, and fill out the team.

Chris Paul is a player who has a very strong offensive game, but plays the point first and foremost. He can balance the offense, and plays good defense. Not to mention he's a vocal leader and well respected. Lastly, he's one of the biggest competitors in the NBA. It's scary to think how good Amare and Carmelo would be alongside Paul, much less how much better he'll make the other players.

You can hire a defensive assistant, or a new head coach and try to get a center. But the Knicks MUST make an attempt to get Paul.

I just don't think its wise to put all your free agent cap space into one player. Chris Paul is a BEAST. But I don't think the Knicks are a Chris Paul away from being a legit contender. Great talent. If he's not the best point in the league he's the 2nd best. But the Knicks have so many holes that it would be better off surrounding Melo and Amare with solid defenders and athletes than it would to just spend the 15-18 million a year on Paul. Knicks can get 3 solid role players for that much.

 

[vandamation]

Man I don't know what it is with me and Knick fans and their damn wishing upon a star shit. Its just like ya'll are the only fanbase that does that shit. Its never about optimism about getting better like most fans. Ya'll are always talking about the next superstar that you're going to get.

Not True...
It's always been about getting better... The problem is... we have BULLSHIT management... and I'm NOT talking about Isiah either... Our problems go back to the Dave Checketts ERA when it was all about filling the Garden... NOT winning championships... and we FINALLY got better... what did management do??? They fired the LAST decent GM we had(E.Grunfeld) before we got Donnie Walsh... In the NBA, you NEED superstars to win championships... POINT BLANK, PERIOD... There's NO WAY AROUND IT... The Lakers... THE Celtics... The Heat... Dallas... All have SUPERSTARS...

CP3 would be nice... but I ,personally, wouldn't mind having Ray Felton come back into the fold... or even having Wilson Chandler come back for that matter either... What we REALLY need is some BIGS... but if there are none available... then, we need to wait to we can get one... or two...

The bottom line, we FINALLY in position to do what others have been doing for the last DECADE... and that's re-tooling... The Lakers... The Celtics... the Bulls... and the Heat did it over the years... It's OUR TURN, NOW...

 

[BDR]

Well according to the CBA none of this shit going down

Boy Killa you full of shit sometimes

 

[Chase Bannon]

Sounds like Josh Smith & Joe Johnson will be headed to Orlando.

 

[Sowada]

More rumors

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STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
San Antonio, as I hear it, wants to attach Richard Jefferson to any Tony Parker deal. Can't see that appealing to Raps. Or Kings. Or ...

 

[killa kadafi191]

That is why the players don't like it. Not that the cap will come down to 45 or 50 million, but that as it is now, 22 teams are over the 62 million dollar threshold. If the maximum is 70, then it's only 9 teams. If it's 65 then 18 teams are over by a million or more.

They'll ease in the flex cap over the next few seasons, and that is why Stern said it will favor the owners later, when they're all in that 60 million and change range.

They want it to be what it is now, there team salaries can balloon to the 90s. Or they just want that possibility.

Derek Fisher was the one who said the cap would go down yesterday.

Though Billy Hunter seems to feel the deal is a break through only the players seem unhappy about it.

"We're still very far apart," said the Lakers' Derek Fisher, president of the NBA Players Association. "The hard salary-cap concept is something that we're having difficulty trying to get past. We are not comfortable with a cap that will go down as the years go by."

Stern says different

"The owners believe that the system modifications that we have requested make a lot of sense to make sure that our teams are both competitive and profitable," Stern said today. "We have modified our proposal to a 'flex cap' where there is a targeted salary but teams can go above it and a minimum below, which is more flexible than our last offer. The (owners) committee met for a long time alone and decided to make what we think is a very significant offer to the players in order to avoid a work stoppage."

 

[shaddyvillethug]

There is no different between a Dallas cowboy fan and a new York knick fan.

Y'all wishing upon a star every year.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Well according to the CBA none of this shit going down

Boy Killa you full of shit sometimes

Homie I can admit when I'm wrong with no problem and lets not act like you weren't the nigga that compared this year Heat team defense to 2004 Pistons and still claimed after that game 2 meltdown they were still going to win.

Lets not act like I'm the only one making wrong predictions because the way you were talking last week there should have been a celebrations in Miami. Well there was

 

[Chase Bannon]

That is why the players don't like it. Not that the cap will come down to 45 or 50 million, but that as it is now, 22 teams are over the 62 million dollar threshold. If the maximum is 70, then it's only 9 teams. If it's 65 then 18 teams are over by a million or more.

They'll ease in the flex cap over the next few seasons, and that is why Stern said it will favor the owners later, when they're all in that 60 million and change range.

They want it to be what it is now, there team salaries can balloon to the 90s. Or they just want that possibility.

I heard the cap range will be 60 to 62 million.

 

[killa kadafi191]

I heard the cap range will be 60 to 62 million.

let me ask you this Chase word is Orlando is willing to take Joe Johnson Josh Smith and Kirk for Jameer Ryan Anderson and Gilbert Arenas.

How do you feel about the deal if it was to go down???

 

[BDR]

Homie I can admit when I'm wrong with no problem and lets not act like you weren't the nigga that compared this year Heat team defense to 2004 Pistons and still claimed after that game 2 meltdown they were still going to win.

Lets not act like I'm the only one making wrong predictions because the way you were talking last week there should have been a celebrations in Miami. Well there was

Oh so we taking it there now lmaooo that's cool, at least we ain't go to the finals twice and lose.....

 

[killa kadafi191]

Oh so we taking it there now lmaooo that's cool, at least we ain't go to the finals twice and lose.....

Why you gotta bring up old shit

 

[Chase Bannon]

let me ask you this Chase word is Orlando is willing to take Joe Johnson Josh Smith and Kirk for Jameer Ryan Anderson and Gilbert Arenas.

How do you feel about the deal if it was to go down???

I don't like it. I don't see the advantage of us getting Jameer. I rather have Teague with his lower price tag and Kirk has an expiring contract. As a realistic Hawk fan I know we probably will be 8th seed next year based on the Hawk's ownership. Jamal won't be resigned. The team looks like they won't be improving. I honestly know this franchise will be going in the shitter again. I would rather see Josh Smith and Al Horford go to Orlando and win a championship. A good guy like Horford doesn't deserve to be going through purgatory in the next few years.