How Many of You Are STILL Working From Home? Remoters vs. Returners... It's Close

gene cisco

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Are your jobs capable of being work from home indefinitely?
I'm retired. I do got some business ventures I'm involved with and always open to new investments, but all of it is remote. I don't do business with dinosaurs. If the business deal can't be done via telecommute like we are in 21st century, we ain't doing it son. Shit, my lazy ass didn't even make the bitcoin conference in Miami and that was playtime.

I just observed the general narrative of pushing workers back to commuting. I got no skin in the game. I'm in my 40s. Way too old to be stressing with a rat race.
 

slewdem100

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Some people gotta go back in starting next week for one day a week...I dont but will have to eventually (one or two days)...they don't have enough space for everybody and will use hotel spaces...hotel spaces bring up sanitary concerns especially since COVID itself has no clue that it's over

Speaking of COVID, I see some interesting situations with those of us who still think COVID is serious and want to mask up and with those of us who think masks are unnecessary...gonna be some bullshit
 

Madrox

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I'm still 50/50 Office/WFH (alternating 3 days one week, 2 the next)... and that shit that someone mentioned about the commute being worse than the job at times is right on point..

Are your jobs capable of being work from home indefinitely?

For sure.. it'll be interesting to see what happens over the summer. Most of the attorneys at my firm only come in like 2 days a week as it stands now. I don't see that growing since they'll probably want to be home with their kids over the summer months.
 

godofwine

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I just observed the general narrative of pushing workers back to commuting. I got no skin in the game. I'm in my 40s. Way too old to be stressing with a rat race.
Damned right this was a push. They even had Biden saying that people need to physically go back into work like his ass doesn't work from home.

They want us spending money. Spending money on gas. Spending money on lunch. Spending money on car maintenance.

When you work from home instead of 12,000 miles a year, you are lucky to get 5000 miles. You don't drive, there is no reason to go out for lunch everyday oh, there is no reason for a lot of car maintenance.

Businesses suffer.

They ain't slick.

My job was forced to offer 100% telework because other government agencies were pilfering our people

Jobs were like:

"We offer 100% telework. Isn't your job threatening to bring you back into the office? Well of you work for us you can work from home forever with no threat of bringing you in. What do you say?"

They offered us that just to stop the bleeding because so many people were leaving for lateral positions, not even for pay raises. Hell, with the money you save on gas working from home is a pay raise
 
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godofwine

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Still working from home. No date given to return. But I'm guessing something after Labor day. Unless another variant shows up
The variants are going to keep on showing up because that's all viruses do, mutate. This is the movie outbreak except there's no outbreak monkey. The monkey has already been killed. We're fucked and whoever created this virus fucked us all

I don't even work half the time. I have a Mouse Jiggler (about $15 on Amazon) but it keeps your computer from going to sleep by jiggling your mouse every 3 minutes.

This way, you always APPEAR to be at work even when you're playing GTA V or out shopping or even sleeping. Hell, today I'm working on my paper
 

Big Tex

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My job is permanently remote. Now I think I'm going to move back to Houston to avoid this high ass rent in NY.


Yeah Texas has gone full Gilead and Klantown so I'm staying my ass in NY. I'd only ever move to a very blue state from here on out.
 

Gazoo

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Damned right this was a push. They even had Biden saying that people need to physically go back into work like his ass doesn't work from home.

They want us spending money. Spending money on gas. Spending money on lunch. Spending money on car maintenance.

When you work from home instead of 12,000 miles a year, you are lucky to get 5000 miles. You don't drive, there is no reason to go out for lunch everyday oh, there is no reason for a lot of car maintenance.

Businesses suffer.

They ain't slick.

My job was forced to offer 100% telework because other government agencies were pilfering our people

"We offer 100% telework. Isn't your job threatening to bring you back into the office? Well of you work for us you can work from home forever with no threat of bringing you in. What do you say?"

They offered us that just to stop the bleeding because so many people were leaving for lateral positions, not even for pay raises. Hell, with the money you save on gas working from home is a pay raise

If an employee's doesn't REQUIRE that they be present at a job then it's just fucked up management and Brown nosing employees that are asking for it.

It serves no damn purpose. The numbers say it's hugely beneficial to BOTH sides. Production numbers are up, accidents and incidents at work are way down, maintenance costs are down, employees are happier fewer callouts, less tardiness, etc.

It's strictly so managers can be the boss of people. So very fucked up.

Incidentally I go in everyday. My job requires it on a very small level.
 

godofwine

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If an employee's doesn't REQUIRE that they be present at a job then it's just fucked up management and Brown nosing employees that are asking for it.

It serves no damn purpose. The numbers say it's hugely beneficial to BOTH sides. Production numbers are up, accidents and incidents at work are way down, maintenance costs are down, employees are happier fewer callouts, less tardiness, etc.

It's strictly so managers can be the boss of people. So very fucked up.

Incidentally I go in everyday. My job requires it on a very small level.
Oh that's exactly it. They enjoy being overseers. That shit come from slavery.

Fact of the matter is, I use my day as I see fit. I get a lot of work done after hours. I got insomnia, so between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. I'm usually knocking something out

Of course when 8am rolls around I'm tired AF so I take a nap if we don't have a TEAMS meeting but I get what you are saying.

I used to be late almost every day, now I'm on time. I might not be at my desk the whole 8 hours straight oh, but I get the shit done that I need to get done
 

Madrox

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Oh that's exactly it. They enjoy being overseers. That shit come from slavery.

Fact of the matter is, I use my day as I see fit. I get a lot of work done after hours. I got insomnia, so between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. I'm usually knocking something out

Of course when 8am rolls around I'm tired AF so I take a nap if we don't have a TEAMS meeting but I get what you are saying.

I used to be late almost every day, now I'm on time. I might not be at my desk the whole 8 hours straight oh, but I get the shit done that I need to get done

All this, exactly.
 

donwuan

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The variants are going to keep on showing up because that's all viruses do, mutate. This is the movie outbreak except there's no outbreak monkey. The monkey has already been killed. We're fucked and whoever created this virus fucked us all

I don't even work half the time. I have a Mouse Jiggler (about $15 on Amazon) but it keeps your computer from going to sleep by jiggling your mouse every 3 minutes.

This way, you always APPEAR to be at work even when you're playing GTA V or out shopping or even sleeping. Hell, today I'm working on my paper

I have been in IT for over 20 years and if you think we can't spot this fake shit your sadly mistaken.
 

Gazoo

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I have been in IT for over 20 years and if you think we can't spot this fake shit your sadly mistaken.


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gene cisco

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Oh that's exactly it. They enjoy being overseers. That shit come from slavery.

Fact of the matter is, I use my day as I see fit. I get a lot of work done after hours. I got insomnia, so between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. I'm usually knocking something out

Of course when 8am rolls around I'm tired AF so I take a nap if we don't have a TEAMS meeting but I get what you are saying.

I used to be late almost every day, now I'm on time. I might not be at my desk the whole 8 hours straight oh, but I get the shit done that I need to get done
Naw, that comes from humans being human. Humans LOVE power. And if they don't feel they have power over their own lives, they will take it out on those around them. From the school yard bully to the pigs to the micro manger over cubicles to the 'look busy' managers at box stores. All about exerting power over others.

How many managers are bitch boys on some 'happy wife, happy life' shit? How many of them have no control over their homes? How many of them are on allowances? How many are in 'cheaper to keep her' mode? More than we know. And those folks live for work. They can't wait to get out the fucking house. Without the job, who is listening to them? Them the types their kids don't even listen. Hell, their dogs don't even come when called.

The lack of power over their own lives is so bad for some humans that even common laborers that have some type of seniority will choose to live at work instead of home. :smh: Their entire identities are tied to the only thing they think they are good at and that people will listen to them on. They live for correcting people on that job or for questions that need to be answered. That's their power. At home, nothing.

Shit, now that you have more power, do you want to give it up? See how the company had to do 100 percent telecommute since people got a taste of that power and control? Power is addicting. It really is. Get a taste and rarely do people give it up voluntarily.

Now I know that you aren't, but imagine you had no heart and had a ballbreaking bitch in your home. You'd be home constantly reminded of being powerless. You would be begging to hop in the car and do those 45 minutes, both ways 6 days a week. That's the typical 'man' in America these days(especially white men because they are weak with women). :smh:
 

yasky777

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Oh that's exactly it. They enjoy being overseers. That shit come from slavery.

Fact of the matter is, I use my day as I see fit. I get a lot of work done after hours. I got insomnia, so between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. I'm usually knocking something out

Of course when 8am rolls around I'm tired AF so I take a nap if we don't have a TEAMS meeting but I get what you are saying.

I used to be late almost every day, now I'm on time. I might not be at my desk the whole 8 hours straight oh, but I get the shit done that I need to get done

This why our production is up 300% and theyre begging us not to quit for 100% remote jobs. Our CIO had and ALL Hands on deck call to announce “please give us a chance to counter all offers and stop the bleeding”. I’d never heard this before come from a white mans mouth.
 

godofwine

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This why our production is up 300% and theyre begging us not to quit for 100% remote jobs. Our CIO had and ALL Hands on deck call to announce “please give us a chance to counter all offers and stop the bleeding”. I’d never heard this before come from a white mans mouth.
They gave us (well, MOST of us. Those who are of a particular series of which I am not :angry: ) a 10% increase to stop the bleeding AND told the ones who got the raises not to tell the ones who didn't.

I can't wait to drop the shit on them to let them know that I know.

I'm gonna be in the next all hands like, "Are we a team? Really? Then why did y'all authorize a 10% raise for everyone BUT this particular series and then tell them not to tell us.

That's like an NFL team giving everyone a 10% raise and then saying, "Don't tell the kicker and the punter."

Are they not part of this team? So is this a team or not? This is what y'all are doing? Then you wonder why people leave. It's because of this fake team shit
 

yasky777

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They gave us (well, MOST of us. Those who are of a particular series of which I am not :angry: ) a 10% increase to stop the bleeding AND told the ones who got the raises not to tell the ones who didn't.

I can't wait to drop the shit on them to let them know that I know.

I'm gonna be in the next all hands like, "Are we a team? Really? Then why did y'all authorize a 10% raise for everyone BUT this particular series and then tell them not to tell us.

That's like an NFL team giving everyone a 10% raise and then saying, "Don't tell the kicker and the punter."

Are they not part of this team? So is this a team or not? This is what y'all are doing? Then you wonder why people leave. It's because of this fake team shit

Bruh handle your business, We know our worth and Covid exposed a lot of hands. I tried to explain this to my mother, she thinks I should just be happy with my pay because of her personal reasons. The world has changed and now the rabbit has the gun.
 

godofwine

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Bruh handle your business, We know our worth and Covid exposed a lot of hands. I tried to explain this to my mother, she thinks I should just be happy with my pay because of her personal reasons. The world has changed and now the rabbit has the gun.
Sidney Poitier spoke to our parents generation and how we should be happy with what little we are given because of THEIR personal reasons. This is still true today
 

VAiz4hustlaz

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Why the return to the office isn’t working
“I don’t gain anything besides a commute.”

Andres is back to the office three days a week, and like many knowledge workers, he’s not happy about it. He says that while he and the other executive assistants at his Boston law firm have been forced back, the attorneys haven’t been following the rules. That’s partly because the rules don’t quite make sense, and people in all types of jobs are only coming in because they have to, not because there’s a good reason to go in.

“People have adapted to remote work, and truthfully, the firm has done a tremendous job at adapting in the pandemic,” said Andres, who would prefer going in two days, as long as others were actually there. “But I think it’s more the returning to work that they’re struggling on.” He, like a number of other office workers, spoke with Recode anonymously to avoid getting in trouble with his employer.

Andres enjoys working from home and thinks he does a good job of it — and it allows him to escape a long commute that has only gotten 45 minutes longer thanks to construction projects on his route.

The majority of Americans don’t work from home, but among those who do, there’s a battle going on about where they’ll work in the future. And it’s not just people who enjoy remote work who are upset about the return to the office.

Those who want to be remote are upset because they enjoyed working from home and don’t understand why, after two years of doing good work there, they have to return to the office. People who couldn’t wait to go back are not finding the same situation they enjoyed before the pandemic, with empty offices and fewer amenities. Those who said they prefer hybrid — 60 percent of office workers — are not always getting the interactions with colleagues they’d hoped for.

The reasons the return to the office isn’t working out are numerous. Bosses and employees have different understandings of what the office is for, and after more than two years of working remotely, everyone has developed their own varied expectations about how best to spend their time. As more and more knowledge workers return to the office, their experience at work — their ability to focus, their stress levels, their level of satisfaction at work — has deteriorated. That’s a liability for their employers, as the rates of job openings and quits are near record highs for professional and business services, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

There are, however, ways to make the return to the office better, but those will require some deep soul-searching about why employers want employees in the office and when they should let it go.

The current situation
For now, many employees are just noticing the hassle of the office, even if they’re going in way less than they did pre-pandemic. This is what’s known as the hybrid model, and even though people like the remote work aspect of it, for many it’s still unclear what the office part of it is for.

“If I go into the office and there are people but none of them are on my team, I don’t gain anything besides a commute,” Mathew, who works at a large payroll company in New Jersey, said. “Instead of sitting at my own desk, I’m sitting at a desk in Roseland.”

Mathew’s company is asking people to come in three days a week, but he says people are mostly showing up two.

Further complicating things is that, while the main reason hybrid workers cite for wanting to go into the office is to see colleagues, they also don’t want to be told when to go in, according to Nicholas Bloom, a Stanford professor who, along with other academics, has been conducting a large, ongoing study of remote workers called WFH Research.

Employees say that management has yet to really penalize people for failing to follow office guidance, likely out of fear of alienating a workforce in a climate where it’s so hard to hire and retain employees. Many others moved farther from the office during the pandemic, making the commute harder. The result is circular: People go into the office to see other people but then don’t actually see those people so they stop going into the office as much.

With 70 percent of office workers globally now back in the office at least one day a week, the excitement many people felt a few months ago is wearing off. For many, that novelty is turning into an existential question: Why are we ever here?

“It was sort of like the first day of school when you’re back from summer vacation and it’s nice to see people and catch up with them,” Brian Lomax, who works at the Department of Transportation in Washington, DC and who is expected to come in two days a week, said. “But now it’s, ‘Oh, hey, good to see you,’ and then you go on about your day,” an experience he says is the same as working from home and reaching out to people via Microsoft Teams.

There’s actually been an uptick in virtual meetings, despite the return to office
Most of the people we spoke to use software like Teams, Slack, and Zoom to communicate even while they’re in the office, making the experience similar to home. If one person in a meeting is on a video call from home — say, because they’re immunocompromised, or they have child care duties, or it just happens to be the day they work from home that week — everyone is. There’s actually been an uptick in virtual meetings, despite the return to the office, according to Calendly. In April, 64 percent of meetings set up through the appointment scheduling software included videoconferencing or phone details, compared with 48 percent a year earlier.

One issue is that hybrid means different things from company to company and even team to team. Typically, it seems employers are asking workers to come in a set number of days per week, usually two or three. Some employers are specifying which days; some are doing it by teams; some are leaving it up to individual workers. Almost half of office visits are just once a week — and over a third of these visits are for less than six hours, according to data from workplace occupancy analytics company Basking.io as reported by Bloomberg. The middle of the week tends to be much busier than Mondays and Fridays, when there are empty cubicles as far as the eye can see.

There’s also a disconnect between why employees think they’re being called in. Employees cite their company’s sunk real estate investments, their bosses’ need for control, and their middle managers’ raison d’etre. Employers, meanwhile, think going into the office is good for creativity, innovation, and culture building. Nearly 80 percent of employees think they’ve been just as or more productive than they were before the pandemic, while less than half of leaders think so, according to Microsoft’s Work Trends Index.

Employers and employees generally tend to agree that a good reason to go into the office is to see colleagues face to face and onboard new employees. Data from Time Is Ltd. found that employees that started during the pandemic are collaborating with less than 70 percent of colleagues and clients as their tenured peers would have been at this point. Slack’s Future Forum survey found that while executives were more likely to say people should come into the office full time, they are less likely to do so themselves.

The nature of individuals’ jobs also determines how much, if at all, they think they should be in the office. Melissa, a government policy analyst in DC, is supposed to go in twice a week but has only been going in once because she says her work involves collaborating with others but not usually at the same time. She might write a draft, send it to others to read, and then they’ll make comments and perhaps, at some point, they all get together to talk about it.

“I see a lot of these ads for these teamwork apps — they always show these pictures of people sitting at a conference table and they have paper and all sorts of things on the wall and they’re really collaborating on product development or something,” Melissa said. “And I’m like, that’s not what we’re doing.” Still, she thinks that from managers’ perspectives, in-person is the gold standard, regardless of the actualities of the job.

“It feels like they just want people in the office,” she said.

It also depends on the pace of work. A financing services employee at Wells Fargo in Iowa said he works more efficiently at the office but that since his job consists of working on deals that come in sporadically throughout the day, that efficiency means he ends up wasting a lot of time playing on his phone or pacing around the office in between.

“What makes this so frustrating is that my wife will send me a photo of her and my 10-month-old son going out for a walk,” he said. “If I had a break at home, I’d go on a walk with them.”

Employers are certainly feeling the frustration from their employees and have been walking back how much they’re asking employees to be in the office. Last summer, office workers reported that their employers would allow them to work from home 1.6 days a week; now that’s gone up to 2.3 days, according to WFH Research.

Companies are rolling back return-to-office, or RTO, plans at law firms, insurance agencies, and everywhere in between. Even finance companies like JPMorgan Chase, whose CEO has been especially vocal about asking people to return to their offices, have loosened up.

Tech companies have long been at the forefront when it comes to allowing hybrid or remote work, and now even more tech companies, including Airbnb, Cisco, and Twitter, are joining the club. Even Apple, which has been much stricter than its peers in coaxing employees back to the office, has paused its plan to increase days in the office to three a week, after employee pushback and the resignation of a prominent machine learning engineer.

It seems like, for now, office workers have the upper hand. Many don’t expect to be penalized by management for not working from the office when they’re supposed to, partly because they don’t think management believes in the rules themselves.

“Our retention is better than expected and our employee engagement is better than expected, so I don’t think [our executives are] seeing any downside,” said Rob Carr, who works at an insurance company in Columbus, Ohio, where people are expected to be in three days a week but, as far as he’s seen, rarely go. “Honestly, if they were, I think they’d be cracking down, and they’re not.”

Carr himself goes into the office every day, but only because he and his wife downsized houses and moved a short bike ride from his office. Otherwise Carr, who is on the autism spectrum and says he doesn’t do well with in-person interactions, would be completely happy working from home as he is from his empty office.

“Hats off to Apple for innovation,” Carr said, “but they are, certainly from a Silicon Valley perspective, an old company.”

What to do about the broken return to the office
Solving the office conundrum is not easy, and in all likelihood it will be impossible to make everyone happy. But it’s important to remember that going to the office never really worked for everyone, it was just what everyone did. Now, two years after the pandemic sent office workers to their living rooms, their employers may have a chance to make more people happy than before.

“The problem right now is you’ve set something that’s unrealistic and doesn’t work, and when employees try it out and it doesn’t work, they give up,” Bloom, the Stanford professor, said. “If employees refuse to come in, it means the system isn’t working.”

“If employees refuse to come in, it means the system isn’t working”
To fix that, employers should explore not only why they want people in the office, but whether bringing people into the office is achieving those goals. If the main reason to bring people back is to collaborate with colleagues, for example, they need to set terms that ensure that happens. That could mean making people who should be working together come in on the same days — a problem around which a whole cottage industry of remote scheduling software has cropped up.

That said, Bloom believes there’s no golden rule on how often it’s necessary to go in to get the benefits of the office. Importantly, when workers do come in, they shouldn’t be bogged down with anything they could be doing at home.

“First, figure out how many days a week or a month constructively would it be good to have people face to face, and that depends on how much time you spend on activities that are best in person,” he said, referring to things like onboarding, training, and socializing.

Employers need to be realistic about how much in-person work really needs to happen. Rather than making people come in a few times a week at random, where colleagues pass like ships in the night, they could all come in on the same day of the week or even once a month or quarter. And on those days, the perks of coming in have to be more than tacos and T-shirts, too. While fun, free food and swag aren’t actually good reasons to go to the office.

How much someone needs to come into the office might also vary by team or job type.

“For me, coming in to do teaching and to go to research seminars, that might be twice a week,” Bloom said. “But for other people, like coders, it may just be a big coding meeting and a few trainings once a month. For people in marketing and advertising, mad men, that’s very much around meetings, discussions, problem-solving — that may be two or three days.”

Another thing to consider, especially for those who truly like the office, is how they can get that experience with fewer of the downsides.

Currently, even employees who still like their offices a lot aren’t necessarily using them. Real estate services company JLL found that a third of office workers are using so-called “third places” like cafes and coworking spaces to work, even when they have offices they can go to.

Matt Burkhard, who leads a team of 30 at Flatiron Health, is one of those workers. He says he works better at an office than at home, where he has two young children. And while Burkhard enjoys going into his office and goes there once or twice per week, though he won’t be required to do so until later this summer, the trip to Manhattan isn’t always feasible, especially if he has to do child care for part of the day. So he’s been going to Daybase, a coworking space near his home in Hoboken, NJ, three or four times per week.

“I’m just a lot more focused when everyone is in the same place working,” Burkhard said, noting that he hasn’t asked his company to pay for the $50 a month membership fee.

For many office workers, the current state of affairs just isn’t working out. So they’re doing what they can to make their experience of work better, whether that means renting coworking space or not showing up for arbitrary in-office days. They don’t necessarily hate the office. What they hate is not having a good reason to be there.

 

Gazoo

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Why the return to the office isn’t working
“I don’t gain anything besides a commute.”

Andres is back to the office three days a week, and like many knowledge workers, he’s not happy about it. He says that while he and the other executive assistants at his Boston law firm have been forced back, the attorneys haven’t been following the rules. That’s partly because the rules don’t quite make sense, and people in all types of jobs are only coming in because they have to, not because there’s a good reason to go in.

“People have adapted to remote work, and truthfully, the firm has done a tremendous job at adapting in the pandemic,” said Andres, who would prefer going in two days, as long as others were actually there. “But I think it’s more the returning to work that they’re struggling on.” He, like a number of other office workers, spoke with Recode anonymously to avoid getting in trouble with his employer.

Andres enjoys working from home and thinks he does a good job of it — and it allows him to escape a long commute that has only gotten 45 minutes longer thanks to construction projects on his route.

The majority of Americans don’t work from home, but among those who do, there’s a battle going on about where they’ll work in the future. And it’s not just people who enjoy remote work who are upset about the return to the office.

Those who want to be remote are upset because they enjoyed working from home and don’t understand why, after two years of doing good work there, they have to return to the office. People who couldn’t wait to go back are not finding the same situation they enjoyed before the pandemic, with empty offices and fewer amenities. Those who said they prefer hybrid — 60 percent of office workers — are not always getting the interactions with colleagues they’d hoped for.

The reasons the return to the office isn’t working out are numerous. Bosses and employees have different understandings of what the office is for, and after more than two years of working remotely, everyone has developed their own varied expectations about how best to spend their time. As more and more knowledge workers return to the office, their experience at work — their ability to focus, their stress levels, their level of satisfaction at work — has deteriorated. That’s a liability for their employers, as the rates of job openings and quits are near record highs for professional and business services, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

There are, however, ways to make the return to the office better, but those will require some deep soul-searching about why employers want employees in the office and when they should let it go.

The current situation
For now, many employees are just noticing the hassle of the office, even if they’re going in way less than they did pre-pandemic. This is what’s known as the hybrid model, and even though people like the remote work aspect of it, for many it’s still unclear what the office part of it is for.

“If I go into the office and there are people but none of them are on my team, I don’t gain anything besides a commute,” Mathew, who works at a large payroll company in New Jersey, said. “Instead of sitting at my own desk, I’m sitting at a desk in Roseland.”

Mathew’s company is asking people to come in three days a week, but he says people are mostly showing up two.

Further complicating things is that, while the main reason hybrid workers cite for wanting to go into the office is to see colleagues, they also don’t want to be told when to go in, according to Nicholas Bloom, a Stanford professor who, along with other academics, has been conducting a large, ongoing study of remote workers called WFH Research.

Employees say that management has yet to really penalize people for failing to follow office guidance, likely out of fear of alienating a workforce in a climate where it’s so hard to hire and retain employees. Many others moved farther from the office during the pandemic, making the commute harder. The result is circular: People go into the office to see other people but then don’t actually see those people so they stop going into the office as much.

With 70 percent of office workers globally now back in the office at least one day a week, the excitement many people felt a few months ago is wearing off. For many, that novelty is turning into an existential question: Why are we ever here?

“It was sort of like the first day of school when you’re back from summer vacation and it’s nice to see people and catch up with them,” Brian Lomax, who works at the Department of Transportation in Washington, DC and who is expected to come in two days a week, said. “But now it’s, ‘Oh, hey, good to see you,’ and then you go on about your day,” an experience he says is the same as working from home and reaching out to people via Microsoft Teams.

There’s actually been an uptick in virtual meetings, despite the return to office
Most of the people we spoke to use software like Teams, Slack, and Zoom to communicate even while they’re in the office, making the experience similar to home. If one person in a meeting is on a video call from home — say, because they’re immunocompromised, or they have child care duties, or it just happens to be the day they work from home that week — everyone is. There’s actually been an uptick in virtual meetings, despite the return to the office, according to Calendly. In April, 64 percent of meetings set up through the appointment scheduling software included videoconferencing or phone details, compared with 48 percent a year earlier.

One issue is that hybrid means different things from company to company and even team to team. Typically, it seems employers are asking workers to come in a set number of days per week, usually two or three. Some employers are specifying which days; some are doing it by teams; some are leaving it up to individual workers. Almost half of office visits are just once a week — and over a third of these visits are for less than six hours, according to data from workplace occupancy analytics company Basking.io as reported by Bloomberg. The middle of the week tends to be much busier than Mondays and Fridays, when there are empty cubicles as far as the eye can see.

There’s also a disconnect between why employees think they’re being called in. Employees cite their company’s sunk real estate investments, their bosses’ need for control, and their middle managers’ raison d’etre. Employers, meanwhile, think going into the office is good for creativity, innovation, and culture building. Nearly 80 percent of employees think they’ve been just as or more productive than they were before the pandemic, while less than half of leaders think so, according to Microsoft’s Work Trends Index.

Employers and employees generally tend to agree that a good reason to go into the office is to see colleagues face to face and onboard new employees. Data from Time Is Ltd. found that employees that started during the pandemic are collaborating with less than 70 percent of colleagues and clients as their tenured peers would have been at this point. Slack’s Future Forum survey found that while executives were more likely to say people should come into the office full time, they are less likely to do so themselves.

The nature of individuals’ jobs also determines how much, if at all, they think they should be in the office. Melissa, a government policy analyst in DC, is supposed to go in twice a week but has only been going in once because she says her work involves collaborating with others but not usually at the same time. She might write a draft, send it to others to read, and then they’ll make comments and perhaps, at some point, they all get together to talk about it.

“I see a lot of these ads for these teamwork apps — they always show these pictures of people sitting at a conference table and they have paper and all sorts of things on the wall and they’re really collaborating on product development or something,” Melissa said. “And I’m like, that’s not what we’re doing.” Still, she thinks that from managers’ perspectives, in-person is the gold standard, regardless of the actualities of the job.

“It feels like they just want people in the office,” she said.

It also depends on the pace of work. A financing services employee at Wells Fargo in Iowa said he works more efficiently at the office but that since his job consists of working on deals that come in sporadically throughout the day, that efficiency means he ends up wasting a lot of time playing on his phone or pacing around the office in between.

“What makes this so frustrating is that my wife will send me a photo of her and my 10-month-old son going out for a walk,” he said. “If I had a break at home, I’d go on a walk with them.”

Employers are certainly feeling the frustration from their employees and have been walking back how much they’re asking employees to be in the office. Last summer, office workers reported that their employers would allow them to work from home 1.6 days a week; now that’s gone up to 2.3 days, according to WFH Research.

Companies are rolling back return-to-office, or RTO, plans at law firms, insurance agencies, and everywhere in between. Even finance companies like JPMorgan Chase, whose CEO has been especially vocal about asking people to return to their offices, have loosened up.

Tech companies have long been at the forefront when it comes to allowing hybrid or remote work, and now even more tech companies, including Airbnb, Cisco, and Twitter, are joining the club. Even Apple, which has been much stricter than its peers in coaxing employees back to the office, has paused its plan to increase days in the office to three a week, after employee pushback and the resignation of a prominent machine learning engineer.

It seems like, for now, office workers have the upper hand. Many don’t expect to be penalized by management for not working from the office when they’re supposed to, partly because they don’t think management believes in the rules themselves.

“Our retention is better than expected and our employee engagement is better than expected, so I don’t think [our executives are] seeing any downside,” said Rob Carr, who works at an insurance company in Columbus, Ohio, where people are expected to be in three days a week but, as far as he’s seen, rarely go. “Honestly, if they were, I think they’d be cracking down, and they’re not.”

Carr himself goes into the office every day, but only because he and his wife downsized houses and moved a short bike ride from his office. Otherwise Carr, who is on the autism spectrum and says he doesn’t do well with in-person interactions, would be completely happy working from home as he is from his empty office.

“Hats off to Apple for innovation,” Carr said, “but they are, certainly from a Silicon Valley perspective, an old company.”

What to do about the broken return to the office
Solving the office conundrum is not easy, and in all likelihood it will be impossible to make everyone happy. But it’s important to remember that going to the office never really worked for everyone, it was just what everyone did. Now, two years after the pandemic sent office workers to their living rooms, their employers may have a chance to make more people happy than before.

“The problem right now is you’ve set something that’s unrealistic and doesn’t work, and when employees try it out and it doesn’t work, they give up,” Bloom, the Stanford professor, said. “If employees refuse to come in, it means the system isn’t working.”

“If employees refuse to come in, it means the system isn’t working”
To fix that, employers should explore not only why they want people in the office, but whether bringing people into the office is achieving those goals. If the main reason to bring people back is to collaborate with colleagues, for example, they need to set terms that ensure that happens. That could mean making people who should be working together come in on the same days — a problem around which a whole cottage industry of remote scheduling software has cropped up.

That said, Bloom believes there’s no golden rule on how often it’s necessary to go in to get the benefits of the office. Importantly, when workers do come in, they shouldn’t be bogged down with anything they could be doing at home.

“First, figure out how many days a week or a month constructively would it be good to have people face to face, and that depends on how much time you spend on activities that are best in person,” he said, referring to things like onboarding, training, and socializing.

Employers need to be realistic about how much in-person work really needs to happen. Rather than making people come in a few times a week at random, where colleagues pass like ships in the night, they could all come in on the same day of the week or even once a month or quarter. And on those days, the perks of coming in have to be more than tacos and T-shirts, too. While fun, free food and swag aren’t actually good reasons to go to the office.

How much someone needs to come into the office might also vary by team or job type.

“For me, coming in to do teaching and to go to research seminars, that might be twice a week,” Bloom said. “But for other people, like coders, it may just be a big coding meeting and a few trainings once a month. For people in marketing and advertising, mad men, that’s very much around meetings, discussions, problem-solving — that may be two or three days.”

Another thing to consider, especially for those who truly like the office, is how they can get that experience with fewer of the downsides.

Currently, even employees who still like their offices a lot aren’t necessarily using them. Real estate services company JLL found that a third of office workers are using so-called “third places” like cafes and coworking spaces to work, even when they have offices they can go to.

Matt Burkhard, who leads a team of 30 at Flatiron Health, is one of those workers. He says he works better at an office than at home, where he has two young children. And while Burkhard enjoys going into his office and goes there once or twice per week, though he won’t be required to do so until later this summer, the trip to Manhattan isn’t always feasible, especially if he has to do child care for part of the day. So he’s been going to Daybase, a coworking space near his home in Hoboken, NJ, three or four times per week.

“I’m just a lot more focused when everyone is in the same place working,” Burkhard said, noting that he hasn’t asked his company to pay for the $50 a month membership fee.

For many office workers, the current state of affairs just isn’t working out. So they’re doing what they can to make their experience of work better, whether that means renting coworking space or not showing up for arbitrary in-office days. They don’t necessarily hate the office. What they hate is not having a good reason to be there.


It's amazing that whatever benefits ( pay, promotions ) there might be for returning to work most employees are still willing to forfeit them to stay at home.
 
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bham_brotha

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Hell, the company that I work for gave people the option of whether or not they want to work from home. Unlike many, they're actually looking at production rates and loving it. Surprising when people don't have to sit in traffic for 2-3 hours a day and put on a fake ass smile in the office.
 

christop

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Hell, the company that I work for gave people the option of whether or not they want to work from home. Unlike many, they're actually looking at production rates and loving it. Surprising when people don't have to sit in traffic for 2-3 hours a day and put on a fake ass smile in the office.
Lucky man I'm still 2 days in office 2 from home.
 

Gazoo

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Remoters vs Returners

It's a close fight still.



CEOs predicted that a recession would bring workers back to the office. The opposite seems to be happening
BYNICHOLAS GORDON
August 17, 2022 at 4:39 AM EDT
The number of workers who went into the office four or five days a week is lower now than at the beginning of the year, says a report from Basking.io.
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Bosses predicted—or perhaps desperately hoped—that the threat of a recession would give them the upper hand in their battle with employees to return to the office after months of hybrid and remote work. They wagered that an economic slowdown—and the layoffs that often accompany it—would make workers more desperate to keep their job and thus more willing to commute.
But as the U.S. entered an economic contraction, that expectation did not seem to come true. In fact, employees worked from home more often than at the start of the year.

A recent survey from Basking.io, an occupancy analytics platform, reports that half of workers globally went to the office once a week in the second quarter of the year, an increase from the 44% who made once-a-week trips in the previous quarter. Inversely, the number of employees going in four or five days a week fell to 14.8% in Q2 from 21.5% in Q1, implying that workers who were going to the office regularly earlier in the year realized they could get away with fewer visits.


Recession vs. RTO
Companies have struggled to get workers back in the office several days a week, let alone full-time. On Monday, Apple asked employees to start showing up in person three days a week from Sep. 5. The tech company has announced plans to bring staffers back to work several times since June 2021, but pushed back return-to-office deadlines amid COVID surges and employee discontent.
Surveys show that employees prefer remote work. The Slack-funded Future Forum found in July that only one in five knowledge workers wanted to return to the office, a record low.
Earlier this year, CEOs suggested that a recession would force workers back to the office. Real estate developer Stephen Ross in June predicted that “employees will recognize as we go into a recession, or as things get a little tighter, that you have to do what it takes to keep your job and to earn a living.” Later that month, Intuit CEO Sasan Goodarzi told MarketWatch that “the power is shifting to employers,” and as “people move from hiring to now cutting jobs, and a possible recession, you might see more of a move back to work.”

But the labor market has remained strong despite high inflation and a shrinking economy. The U.S. returned to pre-pandemic levels of employment in July, adding almost 530,000 jobs, more than double economists’ expectations. Wages also rose by 0.5% from the previous quarter. The U.S has achieved those gains despite some sectors, like real estate and tech, implementing hiring freezes and laying off workers.

In the second quarter, the high cost of gas may have also kept workers home. According to WFH Research, which conducts a monthly survey on remote work practices, half of workers surveyed between February and June of this year cited saving money on gas and lunch as one of the top benefits of remote work.
CEOs against remote work
Basking.io’s report also found that workers logged more hours in the office when they did make the trip, suggesting that workers crammed lots of collaborative work and meetings into their visits to the office in Q2.
CEOs have argued that the office is essential for certain kinds of work. Last week, JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon derided remote work as “management by Hollywood Squares,” arguing that working from home leads to a culture more prone to gossip and procrastination.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk was even harsher in his judgment of remote work. In May, Musk demanded that workers spend a minimum of 40 hours in the office or “depart Tesla.” He said Tesla workers unhappy with the shift should “pretend to work somewhere else.”

The jury is out as to whether remote work increases or decreases productivity—and it often depends on whom you ask.
Executives report that remote work leads to lower productivity. An August survey of executives conducted by the New York Federal Reserve found that 30% of companies that expanded remote work reported lower productivity, while half reported no change. In contrast, surveys of workers tend to report higher productivity from remote work.
Hard economic data now suggests that remote work is having a positive effect on the economy. A July working paper from economists Robert Gordon and Hassan Sayed found that sectors that allowed remote work reported a 3.3% annual increase in output per hour during the COVID pandemic, compared with a 1.1% annual increase in the decade preceding. Sectors that did not allow remote work found no change, or even declines in productivity.
 

Madrox

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So in the name of "more collaboration on the days that we are in the office", they've asked everyone to start coming in on Wednesdays beginning Sept. 7th. Which doesn't really impact me since I already come in every Wed as part of my 50/50 - In-Office/WFH... but lots of folks to one week on, one week off (if that) so they about to be mad as hell feeling that burn.

..but it was nice not having to constantly run into folks in the elevator or the Men's room, etc. Sounds simple but not really looking fwd to all that.

Also, they've said that the Dept. heads can assign one more day of the week in addition to Wed to use as the mandatory Dept. collaboration day. So if my boss picks the wrong day I may be fucked a lil as well.

Anyone else's job inching towards this typa shit too??
 

VAiz4hustlaz

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The Workers Who Relish Going to the Office on Friday—When No One Else Is There
Hybrid work schedules have some employees purposely choosing the days most of their colleagues stay home; ‘to me, it’s heaven’

 

DC_Dude

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The Workers Who Relish Going to the Office on Friday—When No One Else Is There
Hybrid work schedules have some employees purposely choosing the days most of their colleagues stay home; ‘to me, it’s heaven’


Friday's was the best day for me...Dress down and less than 20% of the staff was in the office...Loved it!
 

VAiz4hustlaz

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What Are Your Lessons From Remote Work?
We’re looking for advice.


As we head into fall, some companies are finally recalling their employees to the office (including The New York Times).
With more Americans now back at their workplaces, we wanted to check in on how it’s going — and ask for some advice.
The long stretches of remote work changed us all. We’d like you to tell us about some of the positive changes and how you’re applying them back at the office. We’re interested in new habits, tricks and life hacks. What did you learn that can help everyone returning to the office?

You can share your tips below. We may use your response in an upcoming newsletter.

 

Madrox

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The job is flipping the script a bit and making Wednesdays a mandatory in office day starting next week. In addition to that they gave each Dept an extra day to choose as a 2nd additional mandatory day. It wont impact me too much as far as the number of days I'll be in vs remote, but I have less of a say in WHICH 2-3 days so that was kind of annoying.

Long story short (because I work in a Dept. full of dimwits who make everything more complicated than it needs to be) Ill be remote Mon, Fri and every other Tues. Wed & Thurs mandatory in-office. We'll see how this goes...
 

Gazoo

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The job is flipping the script a bit and making Wednesdays a mandatory in office day starting next week. In addition to that they gave each Dept an extra day to choose as a 2nd additional mandatory day. It wont impact me too much as far as the number of days I'll be in vs remote, but I have less of a say in WHICH 2-3 days so that was kind of annoying.

Long story short (because I work in a Dept. full of dimwits who make everything more complicated than it needs to be) Ill be remote Mon, Fri and every other Tues. Wed & Thurs mandatory in-office. We'll see how this goes...

Do you still have your old work desk area?
 

VAiz4hustlaz

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Remote work is still ‘frustrating and disorienting’ for bosses, economist says—their No. 1 problem with it​

Remote work has plummeted from its pandemic high.

Less than 26% of U.S. households have someone working from home at least one day a week, down from a peak of 37% in early 2021, according to Census Bureau data.

Remote work’s gradual decline reflects the ongoing push from companies to get employees back in the office: 43% of companies have set tighter limits around remote work or mandated some form of return-to-office over the past year, ZipRecruiter reports.

Business leaders have given various reasons for their disdain for the model, arguing that collaboration, mentorship and employee engagement all suffer without the office.

But the biggest disadvantage of remote work that employers cite is how difficult it is to observe and monitor employees, according to a new report from ZipRecruiter, which surveyed more than 2,000 U.S. employers between July and August.

Although some bosses have recognized the benefits of remote work — and studies have shown that employees are often more productive and less likely to quit when they have some degree of workplace flexibility — many are still hesitant to adopt remote work permanently. Especially as major corporations such as Goldman Sachs, Zoom and Meta introduce stricter requirements for in-person work.

“It’s an incredibly challenging, frustrating and disorienting time for employers when the tool they relied on most, observing employees in-person, is gone,” ZipRecruiter chief economist Julia Pollak tells CNBC Make It.

Pre-pandemic, bosses relied on desk visits and peer monitoring, which occurs when co-workers notice and comment on each other’s work, to keep employees on track in the office, and there is no clear replacement for them in a remote setting, Pollak explains.

Although demand for employee monitoring software has skyrocketed since 2020, companies still haven’t figured out how to effectively measure remote workers’ performance.

“It’s hard to know which measure these software programs track even matters,” Pollak adds. “A lot of knowledge work is done in video meetings, or offline in phone calls, research and brainstorming, and it’s impossible to quantify all of that.”

Research has shown that workplace surveillance can also backfire as it undermines employees’ confidence in their managers and desire to be productive, which can lead to increased turnover.

Pollak offers a better solution: Invest in middle managers as connecting leaders between front-line employees and upper management and encourage them to work one-on-one with their direct reports to outline clear workflows and expectations.

“If the pandemic and ‘great resignation’ taught us anything, it’s that managers need to be intentional and engaged with employees to be truly effective,” says Pollak. “The challenges with remote work aren’t going to be solved overnight, but making that change is a strong start.”

 
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