How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful project

[HotSauce161]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

You are drifting away from providing information about the industry that would prove helpful and venturing into spending the very same time trying to school me about the need to learn.

I'm not ashamed to say I don't know so demonstrating that benefits no one.


At the end of the day I asked a question hoping to get some answers not suggestion about what I should ask.

It's funny technical people ask tech questions om here and get answers without the whole dancing around thing.

But do you Bro.....

you brought this on yourself, man.
you threw on your big boy pants and your captain save an industry cape before your were really ready.

people did provide answers to some of your questions in this thread. but there is still so much that you don't know it would take spoonfeeding to get yo up to speed. that's an improper imposition on people's valuable time and expertise when you've made it very clear you don't feel it's worth your time to crack open a book or go learn anything without us propping you up.

i just don't think that's cool. you gotta come at stuff like this in good faith, you're rolling up admittedly with little to no expertise in an area and then acting like your too good to learn something.

that's not a good look. and it doesn't encourage people to work with you in good faith when you present yourself like this.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Google "change agent"

Your assertions don't always hold true.


Sometimes what is needed is someone outside of the game to effect change to the game.

no one is saying the game can't be changed or you or any other black person can't change it we're just saying you have a much better chance at affecting change if you understood how the game is played and what the game is beyond the surface stuff.

The reality is all those things you mentioned about the internet and social media and crowd funding..well people are doing that at this point the best those avenues are going to get you is funding for a low budget project.

Here's some outside the box/establishment movie funding history:

Hollywood Shuffle
Filmmaker: Robert Townsend.

A budget of $100,000, of which $60,000 was funded from Robert Townsend's own credit cards and grossing over $5 million over the first ten months of release, the film was a resounding independent success.

She's Gotta Have It
Filmmaker: Spike Lee

A budget of $175,000 and grossed $7,137,502 at the U.S. box office. Culture critic Nelson George, a personal friend of Lee's, was one of the film's main investors.

El Mariachi
Filmmaker: Robert Rodriguez

Rodriguez had a $7,000 budget, almost half of which he raised by participating in experimental clinical drug testing while living in Austin,Texas. Originally, the film was meant to be sold on the Latino video market as funding for another bigger and better project that Rodriguez was contemplating. However, after being rejected from various Latino straight-to-video distributors, Rodriguez decided to send his film (it was in the format of a trailer at the time) to bigger distribution companies where it started to get attention.

All of these people used whatever resources where available to them at the time to get their projects made but after that they still used the same established distributors and marketers to get their films out there. And because of that they ended up in the hollywood/establishment/white paradigm system of filmmaking. And because of that they all ended up "selling out" so to speak.

Of the three Spike is the only one still cranking out predominantly nonwhite cast films but he's having a hellof time getting that done.

Robert Townsend had his heyday in the early 90s but now he isn't a significant player anymore and all but faded from the scene.

And Robert Rodriquez while making big budget films..those films are usually white cast or majority white cast.

So you have 3 people of color who can figure out unorthodox ways to raise money to MAKE a film but still rely on the established avenues to DISTRIBUTE them and THATS WHERE THE TRUE POWER LIES!!!

Until the DISTRIBUTIVE part of the process is solved youre still going to end up dealing with the very system that youre trying to usurp.

do you understand what I'm getting at??

 

[HotSauce161]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

good stuff G

good stuff

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

you brought this on yourself, man.
you threw on your big boy pants and your captain save an industry cape before your were really ready.

people did provide answers to some of your questions in this thread. but there is still so much that you don't know it would take spoonfeeding to get yo up to speed. that's an improper imposition on people's valuable time and expertise when you've made it very clear you don't feel it's worth your time to crack open a book or go learn anything without us propping you up.

i just don't think that's cool. you gotta come at stuff like this in good faith, you're rolling up admittedly with little to no expertise in an area and then acting like your too good to learn something.

that's not a good look. and it doesn't encourage people to work with you in good faith when you present yourself like this.

This is what I am talking about.

You are spending more time talking shit than actually providing information relevant to the thread.

You know the intent of the thread.

You know the problems we as black people face.

Yet you spend a lot of time talking shit instead of sharing information, spitting out possible solutions etc...


It's easy to criticize.



The issue is not knowing.
The issue is design.
When you are designing a new system, you don't talk about implementation.
You place all he pieces of the current system into several box based on functionality

Then you work out new ways of implementing those functionalities.


I can't even get you and geechie to put shit in a box because you are stuck on implementation and trying to show how much you know and how little I know when from the very beginning I said I know very little.

Put down the ego.

It helps no one.



I'm telling you what I have done and how I have done it.
I have done shit, created game changers in industries I had no knowledge of before.



As I said, keep doing you and don't mind me.


In my daily life I meet people who have impacted the world thru technology and there were hundreds of people telling them that they can't or they don't know the industry.
Now these people are worth couple million to hundreds of millions.




As I said keep doing you and I really appreciate the information you chose to share though.

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

So you have 3 people of color who can figure out unorthodox ways to raise money to MAKE a film but still rely on the established avenues to DISTRIBUTE them and THATS WHERE THE TRUE POWER LIES!!!

Until the DISTRIBUTIVE part of the process is solved youre still going to end up dealing with the very system that youre trying to usurp.

do you understand what I'm getting at??

Geechie

Thank you for contribute something of substance.


However, if you take a look at my post and wildlover's post you would see that we understand that distribution and promotion is part of the game.

We actually gave examples of alternative distribution and alternative promotion strategies

Did you see those?


So I don't understand why you are still asking.

You have over 1 billion cell phones around the world.You make a commercial and buy ad time.Look at some numbers.

Movie cost you $100,000

ad spots cost $10,000

you sell the movie for $2

300,000 =$600,000

1 million =$2 million

10 million =$20 million


We can make more money overseas or direct sells to cell phones.

Fuck how Hollywood does it's business.We are not going to beable to shake that shit up.We need come up with our own system.

These can be our movie theaters.(we can make over 50 billion a year with these platforms)

1)cell phones

2)websites

3)video games

4)Ipads

5)netflix

6)PPV


Our marketing: (we can reach over 1 billion people)

1)tv

2)radio

3)websites

4)facebook,youtube,and twitter


We can do this!

Stop worrying about that right now.

Are you saying that we have exhausted all creative means of raising money?

e.g. I have an idea that I will throw out on the board, fuck who steals it.

IDEA
Crowd funding is big right now.
There are a lot of people who would be willing to see a movie such as Toussaint L' Overture.
Let's say the movie cost 20 million in total
Then you have a mechanism for people who are interested in seeing the movie made can pre-pay for the movie even before the script is written
e.g. I pay $2 pre-paid then when the movie comes out I get discounted tickets

$2 x 10 million people = budget

Problem solved.

Profits are redistributed to contributors.

This allows us to fund in advance, movies we want to see.

There are a lot more black people than white people in the world.

Anyway,

Put the funding mechanism in a black box for now.


Now continue please, you have some good insights.....

I do believe if the amount is low enough, people will take the bite.


I would be willing to put up $2 just from GP but I get what you are saying.


Maybe an outline of the script can be put up and based on that or some small character development etc...


Part of the marketing can be that element of the film will be done in black communities as much as possible ..... increasing the job creation element of it, equipment can be sourced from black supplies etc....

Product placements of black products in the movie etc can be sold.



There are a number of creative funding options besides the traditional methods.

You will want sites like BGOL to put up the movie because:
1. The movie is already paid for
2. The wider the audience, the more ad dollars can be generated from product placement
3. it serves as free promotion for the movie and for all other movie products that will come out of the entity



It's a win-win.





As for music, I was trying to get on the Chamillionaire cause he is into this tech thing as well. He actually speaks at a lot of tech events and is well respected in tech circles
http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/28/chamillionaire-is-here/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/29/chamillionaire-on-android/
http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/10/22/what-tech-entrepreneurs-could-learn-from-chamillionaire/


I have a few ideas for music as well.

Time to change the game

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

good stuff G

good stuff

thanx bruh..I thought youre explanations earlier pretty much pretty much spelled it out too..

 

[HotSauce161]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

thanks man

it's a damn shame this cat has no idea what he's talking about.
the new platforms that exist do provide a great oppotunity for content producers but securing capital is still the big hurdle. he doesn't have 1 viable solution to that challenge.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Geechie

Thank you for contribute something of substance.


However, if you take a look at my post and wildlover's post you would see that we understand that distribution and promotion is part of the game.

We actually gave examples of alternative distribution and alternative promotion strategies

Did you see those?


So I don't understand why you are still asking.

okay..lets take it step by step...


You have over 1 billion cell phones around the world.You make a commercial and buy ad time.Look at some numbers.
buy ad time from who?? and by who I mean what race or color are you most likely going to be dealing with in buying ad time?

We can make more money overseas or direct sells to cell phones.
again overseas TO WHO?

These can be our movie theaters.(we can make over 50 billion a year with these platforms)

1)cell phones

2)websites

3)video games

4)Ipads

5)netflix

6)PPV


Our marketing: (we can reach over 1 billion people)

1)tv

2)radio

3)websites

4)facebook,youtube,and twitter


We can do this!

who exactly do you think runs all those companies and conglomerates??

IDEA
Crowd funding is big right now.
There are a lot of people who would be willing to see a movie such as Toussaint L' Overture.
Let's say the movie cost 20 million in total
Then you have a mechanism for people who are interested in seeing the movie made can pre-pay for the movie even before the script is written
e.g. I pay $2 pre-paid then when the movie comes out I get discounted tickets

$2 x 10 million people = budget

Problem solved.

Profits are redistributed to contributors.

10 million contributors at 2 bucks a pop...then you promise to redistribute profits to who...10 million people??? and you think youre going to have money left over to make another film?

dude..you wanna change how things work great but the stuff proposed so far isn't doing that..not in any realistic way.

the best analogy I can think of is a sports one:

Just because most of the players on the field are black doesn't mean blacks dominate the sport. As long as all the owners/check signers/greenlighters are all white then nothing is really changed.

When there are blacks in position to greenlight projects and black owned companies in the position to distribute (the ability to pick and choose what goes where and who sees what) only THEN will we see a sea change the making and marketing of black cast films.

I TRULY believe that sparking the imagination of people can uplift a community...any community. When black people in general but especially black youth start seeing themselves doing EVERYTHING it will spark interests on all levels of professions..in engineering and science, in medicine and civil service.

I posted it before but I'll post it again:

the younger generation of black kids (kids of color in general..except japanese since they already do it) need to themselves in ANY situation and setting being the hero.

We ALL flocked to see Star Wars, The Matrix and Harry Potter

But when a black kid sees those movies he sees a white man save the galaxy, a white man save the world and white kid manipulate reality itself

When a white kid watches those movies he sees HIMSELF save the galaxy, HIMSELF save the world, HIMSELF manipulating reality itself.

You wanna know why white people are so arrogant and confident in themselves and thier ability? Because they feed their imagination with great things...in their minds they can DO ANYTHING..and they DO.

Or as the old folks used to say..FREE YOUR MIND AND YOU ASS WILL FOLLOW. You can't get anymore freer than imagining you can conquer the WORLD or the GALAXY or manipulate REALITY ITSELF.

Its IMPORTANT that we see ourselves...that our CHILDREN see themselves doing anything they imagine..

and this study actually proves my point:
New Study: Increased TV Time Lowers Self-Esteem In Most Children, Except White Boys

 

[HotSauce161]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

geechiedan

you're a better man than me. He doesn't know enough of the language to keep the conversation going. I tried to dumb it down but there is only so far you can reduce things. I don't want to clown him 'cause he actually means well and isn't some delusional kook. there just isn't anything more I can say that's useful.

he's missing the basics. the sesame street level sh!t.

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

thanks man

it's a damn shame this cat has no idea what he's talking about.
the new platforms that exist do provide a great oppotunity for content producers but securing capital is still the big hurdle. he doesn't have 1 viable solution to that challenge.

It's not a shame, at least to me.

I already said I'm coming in with very little knowledge however making claims that are not true when the evidence is in the thread is not too cool.


The points Geechie rasied had already been covered in terms of at least one example of an alternative when it comes to distribution & promotion.
Wildflower covered that.



Now you are back to securing capital which have already been covered by an alternative crowd sourcing model of funding that I explained.


Do you guys have any other input besides sourcing capital, distribution & marketing cause alternatives have already been mentioned.





You guys are confused by the difference between an issue being solved & the implementation of a solution.

Securing capital is an implementation of a funding issue

Funding doesn't have to operate along those lines (securing capital) as there are limitations we as black people cannot overcome sufficiently along the old lines e.g. angel investors, institutional investors etc...

That technique is called securing funding.

Alternative techniques exist to get funding and some were outlined before.
I don't need to re-hash.

so for you to say I don't have 1 viable solution is disingenuous.

You purposely put the word "viable" to change the conversation.

We are at the exploring alternatives stage so for you to say "viable", it means you have no intention of contributing but rather spend time throwing out shit for giggles.

You had no intention of contributing and moving the discussion forward.


Not cool Bro.

 

[HotSauce161]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

kayanation

you say crowd sourcing solves the funding problem.
there are holes in the upscaling of crowd sourcing model that you propose.
you have not demonstrated that you know what those holes are.
you don't believe there are holes in the model.
you haven't solved the funding problem.
you're back to square 1.

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

kayanation

you say crowd sourcing solves the funding problem.
there are holes in the upscaling of crowd sourcing model that you propose.
you have not demonstrated that you know what those holes are.
you don't believe there are holes in the model.
you haven't solved the funding problem.
you're back to square 1.

Care to explain what holes?

 

[HotSauce161]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Care to explain what holes?

you said you had that figured out, man.

it's not even a filmaking problem it's a general business problem with trying to do crowd sourcing the way you described it. offline, ask someone in business what the roadblocks would be trying to raise $10M for example via $2 payments from individual investors/donors. any of your tech contemporaries can help you with that one.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Care to explain what holes?

you made this statement in another thread on the same subject:

This post displays a couple of things:

1. YOU don't even consider a movie like The Avengers or Ted as "white" films.. even tho those films have NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM.

This is a consequence of our brainwashing.
I don't watch much movies because I have very little interest in most movies. They don't represent me, don't identify with me and part of this is that I grew up watching "local" TV containing black theatre productions, black musicals etc....

The reason black people don't see movies like they way whites sees movies is a result of racism i.e. it is intrinsic for all people, both conqueror & conquered to related to the conqueror.
Stockholm Syndrome is full effect.

It's the reason why Malcolm X said "Massa we sick"


2. But the majority of white people (and others) don't see a black cast film in the same way...they see a bunch of black faces on the screen and immediately think "this isn't my story" or "I can't relate to this.." which is a load of BULLSHIT.

it means that white people still operate within a racist paradigm when it comes to the film industry.

As a result, no solution can be created with white people as pillars of support.
The existing systems CANNOT be used.

We have to build from the ground up.

From production, promotion & distribution.

For the 1st time in history we have vehicles to do it.

The internet, social media we free us.

If it could organize and overthrow a government then we could harness its power also.



Thoughts?

the things that you and wildflower proposed doesn't bypass "the system" much if at all.

you wanna use facebook, twitter and google? have to talk to the white men who run it...

wanna use smartphones and Ipads and netflix? have to talk to the white men who run it...

Want international distribution? how many black owned companies are there that do that and whats their reach? If there aren't any or any significant ones then guess who youre gonna be talking to to get those films into the countries you want??

If you really want to seriously look at it the MAKING of the movie is the LAST step in the process..not the first.

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

you made this statement in another thread on the same subject:



the things that you and wildflower proposed doesn't bypass "the system" much if at all.

you wanna use facebook, twitter and google? have to talk to the white men who run it...

wanna use smartphones and Ipads and netflix? have to talk to the white men who run it...

Want international distribution? how many black owned companies are there that do that and whats their reach? If there aren't any or any significant ones then guess who youre gonna be talking to to get those films into the countries you want??

If you really want to seriously look at it the MAKING of the movie is the LAST step in the process..not the first.

Man, really think some people have issues with context.


Can you really say you understand what you quoted me saying?


Are cellphones part of the system of making movies?

Is facebook, twitter and google part of the movie making industry?


Context Bro.


We are discussing the movie industry.

In this case the current way of making movies is the system that is under discussion.


In no way, shape or form am I saying to disregard white people or innovations by whites.

I'm saying that we cannot rely on the white people in the current system of movie making to be pillars of a new system that needs to be created.
Hell even some of you black people in the industry need throwing away too

The old ways are entrenched and everyone is in survival mode, whites scared about the loss of control and black scared no trickle down crumbs.


Shit needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.


The funny thing is that it will happen cause the same arrogance was displayed by the music industry.

The internet as a transmission medium fucked up their distribution.

Itunes came in and fucked the music game up.


So keep thinking things are not going to change and keep thinking that because it works one way that nothing will disrupt it.

 

[HotSauce161]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

oh i get that things will change and that they are changing. but what's grinding my gears is how you think you've figured it all out like you're napster and we're the slow to evolve music industry

you haven't built models that work or theories that can be validated. but you're up here stuntin' like i got this, criticizing me for not dropping pearls of wisdom when you don't wanna crawl before you can walk.

but i'm the one with the ego problem.

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

oh i get that things will change and that they are changing. but what's grinding my gears is how you think you've figured it all out like you're napster and we're the slow to evolve music industry

you haven't built models that work or theories that can be validated. but you're up here stuntin' like i got this, criticizing me for not dropping pearls of wisdom when you don't wanna crawl before you can walk.

but i'm the one with the ego problem.

Why you posing?

I said the intent of the thread was to generate ideas.

The intent of the thread was never to validate models.

You claim to have knowledge of the industry.

I said I had very little.

I asked your opinion.

You said go read a book.

I told you I don't have the time and I am growing 2 companies.

You took this as me not wanting to creep before I walk.

My intent was to generate discussion in a public way so that it could spark ideas in other people's head.

This does not benefit me as I have no intention at this time to do anything with the information in this thread.

You insist on trying to show me up as knowing very little even though I told you so from the beginning so I don't know what you are trying to prove when it has already been stated.

I really don't know why you keep typing the same shit over and over.

As I said, your interest show lie in contributing to the thread with the knowledge you have.

You said my idea has holes.

I asked you to explain.

You sidetracked.

I really don't know why.

Instead of providing answers, you ask questions so that it is presumed you know what you are talking about.

When asked to explain, you don't.

I don't know what to tell you man.

You come into this world, learn some shit and when you die, you can't take the shit with you.

So keep holding on to the shit you call knowledge

 

[K Luv]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

All of us, we only twelve percent

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

All of us, we only twelve percent

Worldwide?

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

In no way, shape or form am I saying to disregard white people or innovations by whites.

I'm saying that we cannot rely on the white people in the current system of movie making to be pillars of a new system that needs to be created.
Hell even some of you black people in the industry need throwing away too

sooo you plan on replacing the white people from the current system with a new set of white people for the new system..am I correct in understanding that so far??

The old ways are entrenched and everyone is in survival mode, whites scared about the loss of control and black scared no trickle down crumbs.


Shit needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

and you intend on doing that by using a new set of gatekeepers who don't look like you and theres no way to really be sure they have your goal in mind...

The funny thing is that it will happen cause the same arrogance was displayed by the music industry.

The internet as a transmission medium fucked up their distribution.

Itunes came in and fucked the music game up.


So keep thinking things are not going to change and keep thinking that because it works one way that nothing will disrupt it.

and this is where your not getting it..the internet didn't fuck up their game..they just co-opted it..

name me one MAJOR label thats shut down due to the internet and P2P downloading??

Arista is still here..
Columbia is still here...
MCA is still here...
ALL THE MAJOR GATEKEEPERS THAT WERE AROUND BEFORE ITUNES IS STILL AROUND TODAY.

we're talking past each other at this point homie

one more try..............................

I've answered your questions and gave you a history lesson and you keep refusing to understand what I'm talking about.

The industry turns on the say so of people in gate keeper positions (any industry really). This would be the distributors and studio heads. These are the people that greenlight projects and decide where their shown. CURRENTLY THERE ARE EXTREMELY FEW IF ANY BLACK PEOPLE IN THESE POSITIONS.

The point of confusion for you is you think changing the WAY things are done will change the system and I'm telling that the way DOESN'T MATTER as long as all the people who determine what gets made and where it gets shown are all white or white males...it doesn't matter whether youre using the Hollywood system or an internet/social media system all you've done is exchange one METHOD or another METHOD while not changing the gate keeper.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

I hope this doesn't end the conversation because what I trying to do is get to the heart of your question..

And the only way to do that is to diagnose the TRUE problem..not just the symptoms. The TRUE problem is lack of black control of the product.

Frank Lucas did (for selfish/evil purposes) in drugs what needs to be done in all other industries. He bypassed the established gatekeeper (the italian mob) and dealt directly with the manufacturer (the asian drug lords) themselves. For the entertainment industry blacks have to develop distribution companies that connects to and deals directly with Asia, Africa, South America, Australia and Europe..that deals directly with threater owners in america. We need black companies that run movie theaters not in just black markets but in ALL markets.

This is where BLACK labeling tends to work against us. We don't need MAGIC JOHNSON theaters..that screams THIS IS A BLACK PRODUCT FOR BLACK PEOPLE..we just need black people to OWN and RUN multiplexes period.

We don't need to scream FOR US BY US!! We just need to run that shit.

We don't need BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION...we just need a network that develops and broadcast across the board programming thats black cast or majority nonwhite cast.


gotta go rant to be continued...

 

[mr_mantel_216]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Nice ideas so far since I last posted... Unfortunately, the fam still not zeroed in on solving the first and key problem: consumer stereotypes. (Saying fuck 'em is not a solution please )

Raise all the money you want, discover elaborate and ingenious marketing and distribution models, cast whoever you want. At the end, the customer sill still be the judge, jury and executioner. Any professional will tell you there are many fantastic ideas in the idea graveyard simply because the inventor "thought" people would go with it.

I hope someone with an MBA or better would back me up on this so it doesn't sound like I'm trying to force and opinion on the board. I'm going by the greatest truth ever told, a truth that Hollywood has long since figured out; understanding the consumer and then building around that.

I'm done here. Peace and good luck fam.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Nice ideas so far since I last posted... Unfortunately, the fam still not zeroed in on solving the first and key problem: consumer stereotypes. (Saying fuck 'em is not a solution please )

Raise all the money you want, discover elaborate and ingenious marketing and distribution models, cast whoever you want. At the end, the customer sill still be the judge, jury and executioner. Any professional will tell you there are many fantastic ideas in the idea graveyard simply because the inventor "thought" people would go with it.

I hope someone with an MBA or better would back me up on this so it doesn't sound like I'm trying to force and opinion on the board. I'm going by the greatest truth ever told, a truth that Hollywood has long since figured out; understanding the consumer and then building around that.

I'm done here. Peace and good luck fam.

Cultural hegemony is the philosophic and sociological theory, by the Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci, which proposes that a culturally diverse society can be dominated (ruled) by one social class, whose dominance is achieved by manipulating the societal culture (beliefs, explanations, perceptions, values, mores) so that its ruling-class worldview (Weltanschauung) is imposed as the societal norm, which every social class then perceives as a universally valid ideology that justifies the social, political, and economic status quo — as natural, inevitable, and beneficial for everyone, rather than as artificial social constructs that benefit only the ruling class.

this is the disease.

Hollywood is the media arm of white cultural hegemony.

white Hollywood creates and maintains its national and international cultural preeminence by funding, distributing and exhibiting certain films that are in no way made to return steep first and second weekend short term box office profits, but instead certain films are made to enhance the richness of white Hollywood’s cultural legacy and seduce those critical of Hollywood’s greed that the business is not always about profit: it is also about the art.
The Greatest Lie Ever Told To The Black Filmmaker

This is the disease and its reach is worldwide.

The question is how do we combat, co-opt or counteract that disease??

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

The question is how do we combat, co-opt or counteract that disease??

Why you quoting problems Bro?






We already know the problems.

You yourself already created numerous threads about the problems.



This thread is for possible solutions.


You have any?

Any alternative funding ideas?

Any marketing ideas?

Any distribution ideas?

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Why you quoting problems Bro?






We already know the problems.

You yourself already created numerous threads about the problems.



This thread is for possible solutions.


You have any?

Any alternative funding ideas?

Any marketing ideas?

Any distribution ideas?

actually I have..you just ignored them.

 

[wildlover85]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

okay..lets take it step by step...


You have over 1 billion cell phones around the world.You make a commercial and buy ad time.Look at some numbers.
buy ad time from who?? and by who I mean what race or color are you most likely going to be dealing with in buying ad time?

We can make more money overseas or direct sells to cell phones.
again overseas TO WHO?

These can be our movie theaters.(we can make over 50 billion a year with these platforms)

1)cell phones

2)websites

3)video games

4)Ipads

5)netflix

6)PPV


Our marketing: (we can reach over 1 billion people)

1)tv

2)radio

3)websites

4)facebook,youtube,and twitter


We can do this!

who exactly do you think runs all those companies and conglomerates??

IDEA
Crowd funding is big right now.
There are a lot of people who would be willing to see a movie such as Toussaint L' Overture.
Let's say the movie cost 20 million in total
Then you have a mechanism for people who are interested in seeing the movie made can pre-pay for the movie even before the script is written
e.g. I pay $2 pre-paid then when the movie comes out I get discounted tickets

$2 x 10 million people = budget

Problem solved.

Profits are redistributed to contributors.

10 million contributors at 2 bucks a pop...then you promise to redistribute profits to who...10 million people??? and you think youre going to have money left over to make another film?

dude..you wanna change how things work great but the stuff proposed so far isn't doing that..not in any realistic way.

the best analogy I can think of is a sports one:

Just because most of the players on the field are black doesn't mean blacks dominate the sport. As long as all the owners/check signers/greenlighters are all white then nothing is really changed.

When there are blacks in position to greenlight projects and black owned companies in the position to distribute (the ability to pick and choose what goes where and who sees what) only THEN will we see a sea change the making and marketing of black cast films.

I TRULY believe that sparking the imagination of people can uplift a community...any community. When black people in general but especially black youth start seeing themselves doing EVERYTHING it will spark interests on all levels of professions..in engineering and science, in medicine and civil service.

I posted it before but I'll post it again:

the younger generation of black kids (kids of color in general..except japanese since they already do it) need to themselves in ANY situation and setting being the hero.

We ALL flocked to see Star Wars, The Matrix and Harry Potter

But when a black kid sees those movies he sees a white man save the galaxy, a white man save the world and white kid manipulate reality itself

When a white kid watches those movies he sees HIMSELF save the galaxy, HIMSELF save the world, HIMSELF manipulating reality itself.

You wanna know why white people are so arrogant and confident in themselves and thier ability? Because they feed their imagination with great things...in their minds they can DO ANYTHING..and they DO.

Or as the old folks used to say..FREE YOUR MIND AND YOU ASS WILL FOLLOW. You can't get anymore freer than imagining you can conquer the WORLD or the GALAXY or manipulate REALITY ITSELF.

Its IMPORTANT that we see ourselves...that our CHILDREN see themselves doing anything they imagine..

and this study actually proves my point:
New Study: Increased TV Time Lowers Self-Esteem In Most Children, Except White Boys

buy ad time from who?? and by who I mean what race or color are you most likely going to be dealing with in buying ad time?

Comcast sell local and major advertisement slots.If you are going to sell your movie to blacks.Then BET and TVone.If young white kids;then spike tv etc.


We can make more money overseas or direct sells to cell phones.
again overseas TO WHO?

You get all the cellphone companies around the word stats(age,race,etc).You contact them to see.If their users can d/l your movie for a fee or can the customers just pay you directly.


We can do this!

who exactly do you think runs all those companies and conglomerates??

Well the conglomerates i just mention make their money off ad revenue.Facebook and twitter are use for networking.

Also;why do you and the brother HotSauce161.Come with so much negativity?

We are trying to come up with viable new platform.For young brothers to get their work shown.You say it want work and the other brother want to call cats dumb and stupid.

Why would you do that?

The Hollywood system doesn't work for us,but i list some things that might help us to succeed.

Will my plane work;don't know we haven't tried yet.But add some info so we can network and do business with one another.But don't be like white man and say it want work when yourself haven't come up with a game plane.

Lets show some love and kill this hate!

 

[wildlover85]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec



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cameras

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[wildlover85]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec



This cat made this Killzone Extraction for $2,500

The budget went for food,gas,clothes,and guns.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Comcast sell local and major advertisement slots.If you are going to sell your movie to blacks.Then BET and TVone.If young white kids;then spike tv etc.


You get all the cellphone companies around the word stats(age,race,etc).You contact them to see.If their users can d/l your movie for a fee or can the customers just pay you directly.

Well the conglomerates i just mention make their money off ad revenue.Facebook and twitter are use for networking.

Also;why do you and the brother HotSauce161.Come with so much negativity?

We are trying to come up with viable new platform.For young brothers to get their work shown.You say it want work and the other brother want to call cats dumb and stupid.

Why would you do that?

The Hollywood system doesn't work for us,but i list some things that might help us to succeed.

Will my plane work;don't know we haven't tried yet.But add some info so we can network and do business with one another.But don't be like white man and say it want work when yourself haven't come up with a game plane.

Lets show some love and kill this hate!

The OP's originl question is: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful project?

I've answered that question.

the thing is if your only trying to reach one demographic which is actually what the the original question was..then you already have abundant examples of black cast films that have been successful. What yourve proposed in terms of generationg funding isn't really groundbreaking

its not negative its REALITY.. again I've posted a small history of lesson of filmmakers who used by whatever means necessary methods to get their projects done and were ALL successful. Youre talking as if what youre proposing will revolutionize the world and the reality is its been done. Grassroots filmmakers have been doing variations of that since the beginning and some have been VERY successful and they end up getting swallowed up by the old hollywood system and co-opted.

I don't know if you have an entertainment/filmmaking background..if youre just starting out or what but your enthusiams reminds me of mine when I started out 15 years ago and then the reality and scale of what you have to deal with becomes apparent.

Madwun said it earlier: I feel you on the whole movie thing, but it comes down to having our own marketing, and distribution, and financing to achieve the shooting of the movie.

and I've been repeating it and tryin to break it down for you and kaya but becuz thats not reaffirming and agreeing completely with what you're proposing you ignore it.

youre idea of distribution thru cell phones is the SAME one old white establishment hollywood is already doing. If youre a nobody and not connected how do you establish that? if your project gains traction and becomes a viral hit what are you going to do when hollywood comes a knockin (and they will) and starts throwing REAL money at you? Its THAT aspect of it that you have to look at and plan for.

 

[HotSauce161]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

wildlover85,

When you make an argument you have to be willing to have your ideas challenged in order to test their validity. That's not 'negativity' that's due diligence. I've been taking it kayanation to point out holes in the theories that he has. Pointing out holes gives you the opportunity to make corrections and build better theories. That's not 'hating' that's the process of building better models. For reasons known only to him, kayanation he won't rise to the occasion and re-examine his theories.

You can go through this thread and look at what I posted. Yeah I'm being snarky with kayanation, and to his credit he's taken it well, but also look at the questions I've asked as they relate to film, financing & distribution. Then look at the answers he's given. Some of the fundamental issues that he claims have been addressed have not. So I keep pushing to see clear answers.

 

[wildlover85]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec



I'm rocking a bump!

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

bump


Now that Spike Lee is doing the same shit I mentioned over a year ago I want to hear what mofos have to say now

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Stop worrying about that right now.

Are you saying that we have exhausted all creative means of raising money?

e.g. I have an idea that I will throw out on the board, fuck who steals it.

IDEA
Crowd funding is big right now.
There are a lot of people who would be willing to see a movie such as Toussaint L' Overture.
Let's say the movie cost 20 million in total
Then you have a mechanism for people who are interested in seeing the movie made can pre-pay for the movie even before the script is written
e.g. I pay $2 pre-paid then when the movie comes out I get discounted tickets

$2 x 10 million people = budget

Problem solved.

Profits are redistributed to contributors.

This allows us to fund in advance, movies we want to see.

There are a lot more black people than white people in the world.

Anyway,

Put the funding mechanism in a black box for now.


Now continue please, you have some good insights.....

bump

 

[militantmidget]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Tariq Nasheed's hidden colors series shows that black films can be made and distributed successfully through crowdfunding. He made all 3 movies through crowdfunding.

The key thing is Tariq has a big following which led to him being able to raise the funds.

Whoever wants to get their movie made gonna have to grind for the capital, but it can be done.

Black people can make any kind of film they want and get it distributed.

 

[Mello Mello]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Depends on the production budget, the cost of marketing and distribution. If the movie is 1 million to produce,market and distribute it needs to at least pay the investors a profit. So 2-5 million to be successful. So if the movie is 1M the cost of the average movie ticket is 10-15$

So let's say 100,000 people buy 10.00 tickets = 1,000,000

From there you can see how many people it would take to break even keep multiplying and you can see how many it would take to see 5-10 million profit.