How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful project

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Depends on the production budget, the cost of marketing and distribution. If the movie is 1 million to produce,market and distribute it needs to at least pay the investors a profit. So 2-5 million to be successful. So if the movie is 1M the cost of the average movie ticket is 10-15$

So let's say 100,000 people buy 10.00 tickets = 1,000,000

From there you can see how many people it would take to break even keep multiplying and you can see how many it would take to see 5-10 million profit.

It's not so much that it needs to return those multiples.

It' that we can have films made that we what to see and cover all the costs i.e. independence from hollywoood dictating what gets made.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

It's not so much that it needs to return those multiples.

It' that we can have films made that we what to see and cover all the costs i.e. independence from hollywoood dictating what gets made.

Two great eras to look into about this would be the race film era and blaxploitation era.

The race film era lasted between 1920 and 1955. They were all black independent films, with black cast and no backing of hollywood.

It had a great run, but eventually Hollywood cornered the market.

The blaxploitation era, in my opinion, had one of the best blueprints for how blacks can be successful in Hollywood. This films were specifically targeted to black audiences and a lot of great films were made.

The difference between the blax era and race film era is that, the blax era had the backing of Hollywood in a lot of films. Even the independent films had a decent market. A lot of the films had a very small budget though, so they did not do as well compared to the more populars films like Shaft.

The reason why the blax era ended was a combination of quality versus quantity; by mid 70s more movies were being pushed out with terrible scripting and writing. Eventually lead to Hollywood to stop supporting blax films. The only person to start his own production was really Fred Williamson (Po' Boy Productions). Fred's popularity wasnt enough to get the audience interested.

Hollywood found their one (Eddie Murphy) in the 80s. And spike lee's emergence as an independent black film maker brought back what the blaxploitation era lost. Eventually we had another boom of black films and Hollywood once again hoped on the bandwagon and funded a lot of films.

In my opinion, it would be really difficult to generate 50 million plus in sales for a general black audience. We never have the budget or the global marketing that Hollywood has.

I could go very deep into this, but I'll be typing all day. There is so much more to this topic.

 

[exiledking]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

I'm trying to figure out the viewership needed to say a film with black heroes was successful?





Can anyone throw out some numbers/percentages etc?







We keep talking shit about international viewership but how many viewers do we really need?

Great question. See Tyler Perrys viewership.

He's been doing fine with his Black Hero named Madea.

 

[water]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Great question. See Tyler Perrys viewership.

He's been doing fine with his Black Hero named Madea.

 

[BigATLslim]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

I have no idea how I missed this thread...I thought I contributed to it, but we start so many about distribution channels for black films, I have lost count...

You have over 1 billion cell phones around the world.You make a commercial and buy ad time.Look at some numbers.

Movie cost you $100,000

ad spots cost $10,000

you sell the movie for $2

300,000 =$600,000

1 million =$2 million

10 million =$20 million


We can make more money overseas or direct sells to cell phones.

I been sayin' this sh!t for YEARS, but nobody will listen. NOBODY!

Fuck how Hollywood does it's business.We are not going to beable to shake that shit up.We need come up with our own system.

These can be our movie theaters.(we can make over 50 billion a year with these platforms)

1)cell phones

2)websites

3)video games

4)Ipads

5)netflix

6)PPV


Our marketing: (we can reach over 1 billion people)

1)tv

2)radio

3)websites

4)facebook,youtube,and twitter


We can do this!

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Now that Spike Lee is doing the same shit I mentioned over a year ago I want to hear what mofos have to say now

Ain't it funny, though???

Watching threads evolve is very entertaining.

I have been saying that black films can control the digital revoluton EXCLUSIVELY through personal digital devices and a straight "f*ck you" to Hollywood.

Netflix has a good model. Spike has broken ground with the crowd funding. And last but not least, there is enough info out their for a great script, director, cast, and access to capital.

So, what we waitin' on?!

 

[Black Radical]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

I have no idea how I missed this thread...I thought I contributed to it, but we start so many about distribution channels for black films, I have lost count...

I been sayin' this sh!t for YEARS, but nobody will listen. NOBODY!




Ain't it funny, though???

Watching threads evolve is very entertaining.

I have been saying that black films can control the digital revoluton EXCLUSIVELY through personal digital devices and a straight "f*ck you" to Hollywood.

Netflix has a good model. Spike has broken ground with the crowd funding. And last but not least, there is enough info out their for a great script, director, cast, and access to capital.

So, what we waitin' on?!

Spike Lee doing it and Tariq Nasheed doing it vs some dude outta left field doing it with no following, no fan base, etc are 2 totally different things. People with celebrity of some sort are able to do these things.

A great script, talented cast and director mean nothing if no one knows who they are, from a crowd funding perspective. You'd have to have some other compelling hook to get people to buy in, what that is, I don't know. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that Spike Lee crowd funding successfully doesn't mean that if I do it it's a home run. But I think with every duck lined up perfectly it's possible.

 

[militantmidget]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Spike Lee doing it and Tariq Nasheed doing it vs some dude outta left field doing it with no following, no fan base, etc are 2 totally different things. People with celebrity of some sort are able to do these things.

A great script, talented cast and director mean nothing if no one knows who they are, from a crowd funding perspective. You'd have to have some other compelling hook to get people to buy in, what that is, I don't know. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that Spike Lee crowd funding successfully doesn't mean that if I do it it's a home run. But I think with every duck lined up perfectly it's possible.

Excuses, Excuses...If you want to get the film made, it will get made. The blueprint has been laid out. Black people can get good black movies with original plots. Hell, many ppl have HDtv now so the films will still look good vs. going to the theater to see it.

 

[Black Radical]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

Excuses, Excuses...If you want to get the film made, it will get made. The blueprint has been laid out. Black people can get good black movies with original plots. Hell, many ppl have HDtv now so the films will still look good vs. going to the theater to see it.

I wanna see great black films and even ordinary black films get made and cover our whole experience and history in film. However, even getting a film funded and made is only half of the equation. Funding a movie that is great but lacks tthe promotion and distribution, is just a setup for failure.

The director of Selma, a black woman named Ava Duvernay wrote produced and directed a film that was critically acclaimed called "middle of nowhere". It cost 200k to make and made 238k. That's a failure. You've probably never heard of it. And that's the whole point. Movies are art but are also business and without the business being successful, the movies don't continue to get made.

 

[militantmidget]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec

I wanna see great black films and even ordinary black films get made and cover our whole experience and history in film. However, even getting a film funded and made is only half of the equation. Funding a movie that is great but lacks tthe promotion and distribution, is just a setup for failure.

The director of Selma, a black woman named Ava Duvernay wrote produced and directed a film that was critically acclaimed called "middle of nowhere". It cost 200k to make and made 238k. That's a failure. You've probably never heard of it. And that's the whole point. Movies are art but are also business and without the business being successful, the movies don't continue to get made.

Black people can get the movies out there. Black people like movies. Why not watch new refreshing films with us being featured in them?

As for promotion and distribution, we can promote the films too. Look at Nollywood in Nigeria. Those are black films being made in Africa for Africans. Now how is it that they can have their own independent hollywood and we can't.

 

[water]

I want to hear from the naysayers now


Afrostream Is Netflix For African And African-American Movies


Streaming services like Netflix are great, but you often end up watching the same blockbuster movies showing how a white man will save the world. MeetAfrostream, a niche movie streaming service that only features African and African-American content. Launching in September, this startup may have found a great underserved segment.

“When I was a kid, for a long time, I was looking for role models on TV to relate to them,” co-founder and CEO Tonjé Bakang told me. “There are a lot of successful athletes and artists, but it’s hard to find African and African-American movies.”

Now attending Y Combinator‘s current batch, the French startup started with just a Facebook page in January 2014. On the Afrostream page, you could find Afro-American movie trailers and teasing announcements for a streaming service. Fast forward a bit, AfroStream’s Facebook page now has 72,000 fans, which is in par with well-established French competitors, such as CanalPlay.

Shortly after this idea validation, the team actually started building a service that would feature this kind of movies. “What’s great is that this content already exists. Our goal is to leverage streaming to address our audience. They don’t have any legal solution to access this content,” Bakang said.

“Even when you look at Popcorn Time or BitTorrent websites, Afro-American content is missing,” Bakang said. “And if you find a movie, it doesn’t have subtitles.”

The company signed content deals with major studios, independent American, African and British distributors. You will find movies that you already know, with some of them already available on Netflix or CanalPlay. But you will also find movies that aren’t available on any streaming service — chances are you’ve never heard of them.


Afrostream is launching in September for €7 per month in France, Belgium, Switzerland, Senegal and Ivory Coast. “And we already have the rights for many other African countries,” Bakang said. 2,000 people already signed up to the service months before its launch, giving around $100,000 to the company in just four weeks.

Even more impressive, Afrostream worked with TF1 in order to create a new category on MyTF1 VOD called Afrostream VOD to rent a few movies of its catalog. While the company still believe that a subscription service is the way to go, it was a nice way to get exposure and maybe a bit of cash. According to Bakang, this partnership is a success as well.

It seems like everything Afrostream touches turns into subscriptions and sales. There is a clear market potential behind Afrostream’s niche, and if the company executes well on its idea, it could end up creating a significant niche streaming service, joining Korean drama streaming service DramaFever or auteur cinema streaming service Mubi.

“We want to entertain people and make a feel-good platform. A movie can elevate or inspire someone, and that’s why there’s so much excitement around us,” Bakang said. He also told me that under-representation leads to poor understanding, and he wants to solve that.

http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/17/afrostream-is-netflix-for-african-and-african-american-movies/

 

[water]

Did ‘Luke Cage’ Break Netflix? Outage Leaves Saturday Bingers In Dark

Marvel super hero Luke Cage‘s worst nemesis turned out to be technology today, asNetflix servers went down for over two hours. This interruption comes one day after the third Marvel series on the streaming service debuted its thirteen episode first season.

While Netflix did not respond to requests for comment and the streaming service does not reveal viewing statistics, speculation online for the disruption was laid at the feet of the popularity of Marvel’s Luke Cage this weekend.

http://deadline.com/2016/10/netflix-down-luke-cage-popuarlity-1201829633/




4 years ahead of my time

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Re: How many black people need to view a black movie for it to be a successful projec



I wanna see great black films and even ordinary black films get made and cover our whole experience and history in film. However, even getting a film funded and made is only half of the equation. Funding a movie that is great but lacks tthe promotion and distribution, is just a setup for failure.

The director of Selma, a black woman named Ava Duvernay wrote produced and directed a film that was critically acclaimed called "middle of nowhere". It cost 200k to make and made 238k. That's a failure. You've probably never heard of it. And that's the whole point. Movies are art but are also business and without the business being successful, the movies don't continue to get made.

Wouldn't necessarily call it a failure. It's not like they spent a 100 million in marketing the film.

For what it's worth, it's on netflix, which is how I saw it.

 

[water]

bump

 

[water]

6 years later.........