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how is The RZA not considered the GOAT producer
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u stupid fuk. producers do more than 'create the beat'.
dudes like u that don't even knowing what tha fuk they're talking about.
so quincy jones didn't create 'the beat' to thriller. guess he needs to remove his name from the producers credits then huh?
george clinton didn't create 'the beat' on most parliament albums. guess he shouldn't be listed as the producer either right?
sheit, paul mccartney didn't create 'the beat' on hey jude. he isn't a producer either i suppose
u stupid fuk. producers do more than 'create the beat'.
dudes like u that don't even knowing what tha fuk they're talking about.
so quincy jones didn't create 'the beat' to thriller. guess he needs to remove his name from the producers credits then huh?
george clinton didn't create 'the beat' on most parliament albums. guess he shouldn't be listed as the producer either right?
sheit, paul mccartney didn't create 'the beat' on hey jude. he isn't a producer either i suppose
I already told you I don't care about none of that other shit. If we're discussing music in general then all that shit you talking holds weight but we're talking hip hop and you don't get credit for being a dope producer if all you did was basically do a good ass job at engineering the record. Dope hip hop producers create the beat and add the polish. That's what makes them dope. Now calm your dumb ass down.
u stupid fuk. producers do more than 'create the beat'.
this is the type of sheit i'm talkin about; dudes not even knowing what tha fuk they're talking about.
so quincy jones didn't create 'the beat' to thriller. guess he needs to remove his name from the producers credits then huh?
george clinton didn't create 'the beat' on most parliament albums. guess he shouldn't be listed as the producer either right?
sheit, paul mccartney didn't create 'the beat' on hey jude. he isn't a producer either i suppose
You are mixing up composers and producers (in the hip hop sense)... the cats you are using for examples know notes and can play music so they can tell a motherfucker what to do so even though they don't necessarily play the music they have a role in creating the music which is very different from buying beats and touching knobs on the EQ which sadly a lot of cat's do that claim to be producers today.
rza is in my top five. he produced 36 chambers, tical, return to the 36 chambers, cuban linx, liquid swords ,iron man and most of wu tang forever in a 4 year span. mind you, each solo album had its own particular sound. rza said in a interview from 92-97 he just in his basement producing. not just making beats but deciding which artist is going to go on which song i.e. ghost had laid a verse after rae on spot rushers. when rza heard it, he was like no that's not going to work and made a beat for that verse which became "wisdom body". the dude didn't even know how big they were until he got into a fight with his wifey and he went to the club and leo DiCaprio started yelling his lyrics in his face. aside from the music, his business model is still followed to this day (slaughter house) group deals and artist with in the group to be able t go to other label and acquire solo deals. shit the last 2 joints he did for ye' (new day , dark fantasy) were crazy. top five yes. the GOAT? if someone argued for him to be it, i wouldn't be mad. his dna is in alot of these producers today.
Exactly. This nigga ready to throw Charles Mingus and muthafuckin Bach into the discussion.
so now you were in the studio with dre right stupid azz?
u watched him turn knobs and engineer the songs? yeah. okay.
any dude that directs the musicians what to play, how the sheit should sound, the key it should be in etc, is a fukin producer. dre did that sheit. u can listen to the dayum records and tell that live musicians are playing on the songs and being PRODUCED by dre
so now you were in the studio with dre right stupid azz?
Were you?
I will say this about rza.When he did the solo cds for the wu.The frist tracks got lost in a basement flood.All them beats are the second tracks he did for the groups solos cds! So the first tracks might had been some heat!
no doubt about that. but for some to say that dre is a glorified engineer is just dumb. most don't know that dude's been playing the piano for years. he understands how to create melodies. and nowadays he works with other producers on his team to get the sounds he wants. but there wasn't money like that in the early days of nwa to bring in all these other guys to make the music. sheit, they had the money for limited studio time and some publicity and that's pretty much it.
dre did all those early nwa albums by himself. so when the op makes a thread about rza being 'the goat' he's just making himself look silly cause dre was doing everything the rza did back in 1985, first with the wreckin cru and then with nwa. this nickah been producing records for 27 years. the only thing he did was kick his game up a notch from making beats, sampling and laying basic baselines and guitars to undeniable joints like tha sheit that popped over the last decade
At what?
Producing, composing, real live instrumentation etc. He basically laid the blueprint for southern beats in general. How many RZA tracks are not samples? Sampling is way easier than making original tracks and making original tracks or interpolating is just smarter business wise. People think a lot of Kanye's tracks are samples but a lot are replays. People don't know about Ken Lewis
That's why a lot of these older rap artists pockets are hurting right now because those sample clearances ain't no hoe.
Producing, composing, real live instrumentation etc. He basically laid the blueprint for southern beats in general. How many RZA tracks are not samples? Sampling is way easier than making original tracks and making original tracks or interpolating is just smarter business wise. People think a lot of Kanye's tracks are samples but a lot are replays. People don't know about Ken Lewis
Producing, composing, real live instrumentation etc. He basically laid the blueprint for southern beats in general. How many RZA tracks are not samples? Sampling is way easier than making original tracks and making original tracks or interpolating is just smarter business wise. People think a lot of Kanye's tracks are samples but a lot are replays. People don't know about Ken Lewis
And that's why the wu fell the fuck off! Samples bring a different energy to your sound then live instruments!
True.
Producing, composing, real live instrumentation etc. He basically laid the blueprint for southern beats in general. How many RZA tracks are not samples? Sampling is way easier than making original tracks and making original tracks or interpolating is just smarter business wise. People think a lot of Kanye's tracks are samples but a lot are replays. People don't know about Ken Lewis
Rza has been having people replay the samples he selects and he has been playing keys on top of his shit too, but people don't recognize that a lot of non singles from old Wu albums were on some other shit than just samples. I think the Flood at the Wu-Mansion fucked up a lot of shit and than some where in that Bobby Digital series he went haywire...
As far as the Mannie Fresh thing... listen to those old Cash Money beats... that shit was not complicated. He is way better now.
Rza has been having people replay the samples he selects and he has been playing keys on top of his shit too, but people don't recognize that a lot of non singles from old Wu albums were on some other shit than just samples. I think the Flood at the Wu-Mansion fucked up a lot of shit and than some where in that Bobby Digital series he went haywire...
As far as the Mannie Fresh thing... listen to those old Cash Money beats... that shit was not complicated. He is way better now.
Complication doesn't mean better. Sometimes less is more. Most of these hits now are simple as fuck but they are still hits at the end of the day. Yea, RZA is a beast with the production. Yea, RZA has made some classic songs but Mannie Fresh is just superior to me. To be honest I never heard RZA in any club ever. To this day, they still play classic Fresh songs in clubs (back that azz up, i need a hotgirl, drag em in the river to name a few) but I'm from the south so I guess that makes a difference
East coast people, does RZA still get play in the clubs out there??? Better yet, if they do play RZA what are the people doing? Are they dancing or taking that time to hit the bar for more drinks?? 
I'll get in on this discussion tomorrow.
Complication doesn't mean better. Sometimes less is more. Most of these hits now are simple as fuck but they are still hits at the end of the day. Yea, RZA is a beast with the production. Yea, RZA has made some classic songs but Mannie Fresh is just superior to me. To be honest I never heard RZA in any club ever. To this day, they still play classic Fresh songs in clubs (back that azz up, i need a hotgirl, drag em in the river to name a few) but I'm from the south so I guess that makes a difference
Wow... I only talked about complication because you tried to contrast how easy it is to sample over playing keys. As someone who has done both, I can tell you that it depends on the simplicity of the actual creation. I've heard producers tracks along with the originals that they sampled from and have no clue as to how they made his shit. I've heard people make beats around playing four keys over and over again. Shit is all context.
Who gives a fuck about "hits" and what plays in the club... good music is good music. When your smoking a blunt and reading a good book... no one is trying to hear "back that azz up" or that other shit... Niggas lose me with this "the only music worth a damn has to be in the club shit" like their whole lives revolve around a club. If these same motherfuckers were living in the 70's they would swear Disco was better than Soul, R&B, Blues, Rock & Roll and Jazz.
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Producing, composing, real live instrumentation etc. He basically laid the blueprint for southern beats in general. How many RZA tracks are not samples? Sampling is way easier than making original tracks and making original tracks or interpolating is just smarter business wise. People think a lot of Kanye's tracks are samples but a lot are replays. People don't know about Ken Lewis
Yeah, but sampling is an important part of hip hop. And if you do use live instrumentation, you still try and make your shit sound like a sample. I don't believe sampling is easier than making "original" tracks. Go back and try and remake some of the shit that Preemo, Pete Rock, Dilla, Q-Tip, Havoc, Alchemist, Kno, Large Pro, Prince Paul and RZA made.
Wow... I only talked about complication because you tried to contrast how easy it is to sample over playing keys. As someone who has done both, I can tell you that it depends on the simplicity of the actual creation. I've heard producers tracks along with the originals that they sampled from and have no clue as to how they made his shit. I've heard people make beats around playing four keys over and over again. Shit is all context.
Who gives a fuck about "hits" and what plays in the club...
Anyone who is in the industry cares but I guess they shouldn't care about making hits and getting money. Anyone who actually goes out cares but I guess they are irrelevant
It's called music BUSINESS (emphasis on the business part) Also, keep in mind that every hit is not a club banger but most club bangers are hits. People been making club songs since forever, way before rap music was even thought of. Even when rap came out, what type of songs were hot?? At the end of the day people want to dance and feel good plain and simple.
So Herby Luv Bug should be in the running if you're talking abut club songs still being playable
Plus I can't really take this serious, because dude met Kanye who helped him become a better producer.
Are you in the music industry? When buying laundry detergent, do you base your opinion on which stock is performing better, which CEO's are enemies because one fucked the others girl while they were at Brown, which brand has the most creative marketing team, or which detergent gets your clothes the cleanest?
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