Herman Cain has DIED due to COVID-19 or when keeping it Coon goes wrong

PRO-LIFE OR PRO-BIRTH ? PRO WHITE LIVES BUT FUCK TAMIR RICE'S & MIKE BROWN'S LIFE AND THE THOUSANDS OF KIDS AT THE BORDER NAZI CAMPS , FUCK THE HIGH RATE OF COVID BLACK DEATHS ! BUT YEAH PRO-LIFE :thumbsup:

PRO- EDUCATION ? BUT CUT FUNDING FOR INNERCITY SCHOOLS , CUT ACCESS TO LEARNING RESOURCES BUT INCREASE POLICE BUDGET!
Most of what you said doesn't pertain to me. I believe all black lives matter. I have always had this stance. I am against abortion and I am against police brutality and the killing of black folk at the hands of corrupt and immoral police. It is possible to be both. They want you to believe you can't have your own opinions. But you can.

The border situation is another conversation where I do not fully support the stance AOC and others are taking. Despite that, I stand firm that locking up those kids is wrong.

I'm not for continuing to fund schools (public or charter) that are not performing well. Its more than just money it is a systemic problem. Republicans do not have the answer, nor do the Democrats.

I am not for a blind decrease in police budgets. I am for reallocation. I am for restructuring police. I am for stricter regulation of police. I am for stricter punishment for police misconduct. I am for mandatory police cameras that must be on at all times and punishment for not doing so.

Again, I am independent. I have never voted because of a party. I vote because of people. I voted for Obama twice because of him as a person. I will not be put in a box. I am a free thinker.
 
For me, my stance on abortion has absolutely nothing to do with religion. Most Healthcare professionals will tell you that aborting a fetus is murder. For me, this is not about women's rights or wanting to punish women. It is absolutely not about controlling a woman's body. Its about protecting the unborn child. Before anyone says anything about protecting born children, let me say this. You can my pist from now to ten years ago, I have always been an advocate for protecting children, education, a living wage, wealth building, and career building. For me, the child is just as valuable in the womb as it is outside.

I do quite a bit of work with genetics. I take issue that a child which is 50% comprised of the woman's DNA and 50% of the man's DNA, yet the male has zero say regarding the outcome of the child. I can never be convinced that this is OK. It is not just the woman's child, it is both the woman and man's child. Noone can debate this fact.

Of the two major parties likely to be elected, one party promotes polices that are pro-family and one doesn't. Whichever party is in power, they will be making decisions that impact how you and the country lives and moves forward. Of the things you say you support, which party also supports the majority of them? I don't think its a difficult choice. It may not be about religion or control for you, but from my personal observations that is not the case with most people and the stated reasoning for most politicians.

IMO, the best way to ensure people have and raise children is to have the family friendly policies I mentioned in place. Right now the GOP promotes a family unit, but not any of the policies needed so that a family unit can not only survive, but thrive. They will complain about people who do have children not raising and guiding them well, but ignore the fact that far too many people are working continuously to provide, so they can't spend time and be present to exert more influence or are too tired to properly engage. Married households may be ideal, but that is not the reality, so problems need to be resolved within the framework that exists, and not the one people wish existed.

Even with married couples, you have these same folks quoting scriptures about not denying spouses intimacy, who see contraception as an interruption to God's will, who will go on to speak condescendingly about those families who have too many mouths to feed without assistance or low standard of living because of the expenses associated with raising a family.

If someone is barely making ends meet by themselves, they may see having a child as irresponsible and a disservice to a child they can't support at best, or an inconvenience and impediment to survival if they are more self centered. I don't think that is the proper mindset to have, but I understand it.

If a 19 year old gets pregnant, she is going to weigh having that child against future prospects. I believe that if she could get healthcare and a job that pays well, she would be more likely to continue the pregnancy, even if she ends up placing the child for adoption or having a family member raise them, instead of seeing the child as an obstacle to her future.

The GOP is much better at messaging than Dems are, though. The result is that same people who rage against abortion are also against all the policies that would go toward reducing the prevalence of them. I don't expect this to change anytime soon.
 
You seem to base you likes and dislikes on an almost cartoonish set of extremist beliefs and ideals assigned to these parties that largely never jive with their realities.

Here are the 10 poorest states: Miss, Louisiana, SC, West Virginia, Kentucky Arkansas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Tenn, Georgia.

Here are the 10 dumbest states: Miss, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Alaska, WV, Arkansas, SC, Arizona, Oklahoma.

Wanna know what they all have in common?
Business as it pertains to the lower 20% and as it pertains to the upper 20% is completely different. The Republicans are pimping poor white trash in those states you mentioned the same way the Democrats are pimping black folk all over the country. Again, both parties are trash.
 
Of the two major parties likely to be elected, one party promotes polices that are pro-family and one doesn't. Whichever party is in power, they will be making decisions that impact how you and the country lives and moves forward. Of the things you say you support, which party also supports the majority of them? I don't think its a difficult choice. It may not be about religion or control for you, but from my personal observations that is not the case with most people and the stated reasoning for most politicians.

IMO, the best way to ensure people have and raise children is to have the family friendly policies I mentioned in place. Right now the GOP promotes a family unit, but not any of the policies needed so that a family unit can not only survive, but thrive. They will complain about people who do have children not raising and guiding them well, but ignore the fact that far too many people are working continuously to provide, so they can't spend time and be present to exert more influence or are too tired to properly engage. Married households may be ideal, but that is not the reality, so problems need to be resolved within the framework that exists, and not the one people wish existed.

Even with married couples, you have these same folks quoting scriptures about not denying spouses intimacy, who see contraception as an interruption to God's will, who will go on to speak condescendingly about those families who have too many mouths to feed without assistance or low standard of living because of the expenses associated with raising a family.

If someone is barely making ends meet by themselves, they may see having a child as irresponsible and a disservice to a child they can't support at best, or an inconvenience and impediment to survival if they are more self centered. I don't think that is the proper mindset to have, but I understand it.

If a 19 year old gets pregnant, she is going to weigh having that child against future prospects. I believe that if she could get healthcare and a job that pays well, she would be more likely to continue the pregnancy, even if she ends up placing the child for adoption or having a family member raise them, instead of seeing the child as an obstacle to her future.

The GOP is much better at messaging than Dems are, though. The result is that same people who rage against abortion are also against all the policies that would go toward reducing the prevalence of them. I don't expect this to change anytime soon.
Yes, I am VERY pro-family. I am against the promotion of single parenting. I think how our court system handles father's rights is insane.

Please, regarding my stance, leave out religion. I never once quoted a scripture to support my views on this board. The use of religion is an excuse to disregard logic.

We love to talk about people "continuously working" with the inability to be there for kids. This is not the majority. People on this board know this is not the case. We know that many of us are just bad parents. Many of us just didn't care in school and are now dealing with the consequences.

I am not for killing a baby because a 19 year old gets pregnant. Yes, the life of the mother and father will change, but that's the decision they made.
 
Business as it pertains to the lower 20% and as it pertains to the upper 20% is completely different. The Republicans are pimping poor white trash in those states you mentioned the same way the Democrats are pimping black folk all over the country. Again, both parties are trash.
Stop with the qualifiers and "both sides" bullshit my man. You're wrong. Period.

Republicans message and campaign on racism. That's what they're good at and that's why they win national elections. Not business. Not education.
 
Yes, I am VERY pro-family. I am against the promotion of single parenting. I think how our court system handles father's rights is insane.

Please, regarding my stance, leave out religion. I never once quoted a scripture to support my views on this board. The use of religion is an excuse to disregard logic.

We love to talk about people "continuously working" with the inability to be there for kids. This is not the majority. People on this board know this is not the case. We know that many of us are just bad parents. Many of us just didn't care in school and are now dealing with the consequences.

I am not for killing a baby because a 19 year old gets pregnant. Yes, the life of the mother and father will change, but that's the decision they made.


What pro family policies do republicans support?
 
Stop with the qualifiers and "both sides" bullshit my man. You're wrong. Period.

Republicans message and campaign on racism. That's what they're good at and that's why they win national elections. Not business. Not education.
So, I can't critique both parties??? Its one or the other?? That doesn't seem crazy to you. Break the spell, brother.

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What pro family policies do republicans support?
Both parties benefit from the dismantling of black families. Neither have policies that actively support the idea that having a black mother and father in the home is the best situation for black children.
 
Both parties benefit from the dismantling of black families. Neither have policies that actively support the idea that having a black mother and father in the home is the best situation for black children.

Fine. Evasive, but fine. SOMEONE is going to be making the decisions come Jan 2021. The only entrees on the menu currently are Biden and Trump. At least with a chance of winning. So you can make a choice, or not, but not making a choice is still a choice and still has consequences.

We have black folks dying all over the place. Not only are kids going to be in single parent households, they are going to be on NO parent households due to covid. Families are going to be stuck with enormous bills from hospital stays, thanks to the the status of health care coverarge in this country. If you actually think that 4 more years of Trump is going to improve things for black folks, then by all means vote Trump or third party.

I can see y'all didn't learn a damn thing from 2016.
 
The only entrees on the menu currently are Biden and Trump.
And this my point. I am voting Biden, not because he is Democrat, but because of the options available. However, Biden is not even close to an ideal candidate. Its crazy that these two old white men are our choices.
 
And this my point. I am voting Biden, not because he is Democrat, but because of the options available. However, Biden is not even close to an ideal candidate. Its crazy that these two old white men are our choices.

There are several reasons for this and I think things have improved slightly, but black folks as a whole do not tend to financially support candidates. Outside of voting, we do not use the currency that others have in the past to get their desires met. We will march, but we don't tend to lobby candidates. No one is going to respond to us when we are miles away outside someone else's property. Out of sight is out of mind. Marching has it's place, but lobbying directly is more effective, IMO. Search the keyword currency with my name on here. I've explained my thinking on this in the past.
 
By the way, Herman, while not a leader of the birther movement by any means, did support trump's birther demands and stated that Obama needed to prove he was born in the USA. Still not celebrating his death, but fuck him and the stupid shit he did for politics. Can't respect him or his memory.
 
Lol.... all about education but they got Betsy D. up top. :lol:
Trump and his dumb ass appointments do not negate other aspects of local governing. Devos' efforts to cut overall funding as well as sunsetting the public service student loan forgiveness program are two if the worse actions since her appointment...........the handling of COVID-19 and returning to school is currently ongoing.
 
For me, my stance on abortion has absolutely nothing to do with religion. Most Healthcare professionals will tell you that aborting a fetus is murder. For me, this is not about women's rights or wanting to punish women. It is absolutely not about controlling a woman's body. Its about protecting the unborn child. Before anyone says anything about protecting born children, let me say this. You can my pist from now to ten years ago, I have always been an advocate for protecting children, education, a living wage, wealth building, and career building. For me, the child is just as valuable in the womb as it is outside.

I do quite a bit of work with genetics. I take issue that a child which is 50% comprised of the woman's DNA and 50% of the man's DNA, yet the male has zero say regarding the outcome of the child. I can never be convinced that this is OK. It is not just the woman's child, it is both the woman and man's child. Noone can debate this fact.
except the fact all the physical labor of having the child falls with the woman and her body is compromised. that gives her more of a say.

you don't get to decide abortion. the law protects citizens, not fetuses. once it is given a social security number, it has rights. the law has no place regulating if two people want to have a child. it's not your business.
 
I respect all that Cain accomplished, especially if he really built himself from nothing.

BUT - he was willing to tow the party line with their rhetoric to point where it cost him his life.

His needless death should serve as warning to any black Americans about being BLINDINGLY loyal to either party.
He didn’t tow the Conservative party line. He put his life on the line. Words are whatever. That mothafucka is about to worm food over something easily provable.

But I don’t think Herman is dead. That’s a chem trail crisis actor.

A thousand years from now we are going to look back at big Herm as a fucking doofus. Shit I think he was dumb a thousand seconds ago.
 
It proves that their great leader's politics trump's (pun intended) all. If trump wanted to appoint Ashy Larry they'd back him 200%.

Trump and his dumb ass appointments do not negate other aspects of local governing. Devos' efforts to cut overall funding as well as sunsetting the public service student loan forgiveness program are two if the worse actions since her appointment...........the handling of COVID-19 and returning to school is currently ongoing.
 
except the fact all the physical labor of having the child falls with the woman and her body is compromised. that gives her more of a say.

you don't get to decide abortion. the law protects citizens, not fetuses. once it is given a social security number, it has rights. the law has no place regulating if two people want to have a child. it's not your business.
So, I can kill a person who lives in the wild and never applied for an SSN? They are not citizens of any country.

It takes two weeks to get an SSN after a child is born, so by your logic, I have up until two weeks or at least until the SSN has been processed to kill my baby. OK thank you for the update.

Also, by your own acknowledgment, you concede by saying that women "get more of a say" which means as a father, I get some say. OK, at least we are making progress.

Lastly, yes a woman does have to endure all of the physical aspects of birthing a baby. However, that still does not negate that a living being with a separate consciousness, mind, and body exist within her body.
 
Business as it pertains to the lower 20% and as it pertains to the upper 20% is completely different. The Republicans are pimping poor white trash in those states you mentioned the same way the Democrats are pimping black folk all over the country. Again, both parties are trash.
This statement is so completely devoid of factual legitimacy and such a departure into fantasy that I cannot even begin to counter it.

Only a person who has never actually engaged in politics can come to this conclusion.

This is like encountering a person who has never done math argue that 2+2 equals eleventy-seven.
 
So, I can kill a person who lives in the wild and never applied for an SSN? They are not citizens of any country.

It takes two weeks to get an SSN after a child is born, so by your logic, I have up until two weeks or at least until the SSN has been processed to kill my baby. OK thank you for the update.

Also, by your own acknowledgment, you concede by saying that women "get more of a say" which means as a father, I get some say. OK, at least we are making progress.

Lastly, yes a woman does have to endure all of the physical aspects of birthing a baby. However, that still does not negate that a living being with a separate consciousness, mind, and body exist within her body.
Yes, if they are not a member of any society, because no law protects them. (If US, I don't know how someone manage to be born here and live without being a natural citizen or anywhere else for that matter. Perhaps they denounced at some point.) Don't confuse personal morals for law.

The process has already been started at birth. At birth, you are a natural citizen here. So no, you can't kill at birth. Nice try to get technical to get cute.

Progress? I never said they didn't have a say. Are you speaking in general for those that are pro-choice? Yes, a man's opinion should be considered.

And that living being is not acknowledged as a citizen with protection until it is born. Its stated in the Constitution. You have to be born.
 
This statement is so completely devoid of factual legitimacy and such a departure into fantasy that I cannot even begin to counter it.

Only a person who has never actually engaged in politics can come to this conclusion.

This is like encountering a person who has never done math argue that 2+2 equals eleventy-seven.
Brother, if you think that business is the same for the bottom 20% of this country as it is for the top 20%, then you do not know business and you definitely do not understand economics.

You don't think that some Republicans stoke the flames of racism and tell poor white people that blacks and hispanics are the reason they are poor?

You don't think Democrats depend on blacks to get elected? They tell black folk it is because of the racists and Republicans that they are in the position they are in.

Both parties play and pimp their base. You unfortunately do not understand politics.
 
Yes, if they are not a member of any society, because no law protects them. (If US, I don't know how someone manage to be born here and live without being a natural citizen or anywhere else for that matter. Perhaps they denounced at some point.) Don't confuse personal morals for law.

The process has already been started at birth. At birth, you are a natural citizen here. So no, you can't kill at birth. Nice try to get technical to get cute.

Progress? I never said they didn't have a say. Are you speaking in general for those that are pro-choice? Yes, a man's opinion should be considered.

And that living being is not acknowledged as a citizen with protection until it is born. Its stated in the Constitution. You have to be born.
We have a fundamental difference in views regarding who is a person. By stating that killing a non-citizen reveals where your moral compass lies.

Determining that a person is worthy of life based upon the constitution is problematic in itself.

Slaves were 3/5 a person under the constitution. Let that sink in.
 
Yes, except that part is true. Racist white people (who are usually but not exclusively vote Republican) discriminate and hold people of color from positions and opportunities daily. 100% true.
So, people have zero control over their lives?

People can't take money they spend on Jordan's and eating out and invest it because of racist and Republicans?

Kids can't pay attention in school because of racist and Republicans?

Black folks shooting each other up because of racist and Republicans?

Racism and systemic racism both exist. However, their aspects of our lives that we do control.

My cousin was complaining about COVID-19 and not being able to work. I looked at her and asked well why did you feel the need to go to the salon and get your hair and nails done? You ordering bags online? Yet your broke and can't work?

She and her friends are alike. This has zero to do with racism. We have to accept some responsibility for poor decisions.
 
So, people have zero control over their lives?

People can't take money they spend on Jordan's and eating out and invest it because of racist and Republicans?

Kids can't pay attention in school because of racist and Republicans?

Black folks shooting each other up because of racist and Republicans?

We do those things despite racism being a factor. Speaking the truth about white supremacy doesn't mean we don't work or move forward. You sounding "Cac- ish" dude...
 
We have a fundamental difference in views regarding who is a person. By stating that killing a non-citizen reveals where your moral compass lies.

Determining that a person is worthy of life based upon the constitution is problematic in itself.

Slaves were 3/5 a person under the constitution. Let that sink in.

i didnt say it was right but govt cant rule over those not included. if you want punishment, it would have to be outside the lines.

well until the law matches the morals, nothing you can do. yeah, everyone is entitled to their individual morality within the law.
 
We do those things despite racism being a factor. Speaking the truth about white supremacy doesn't mean we don't work or move forward. You sounding "Cac- ish" dude...
With all do respect, you remind me of the kids who told me I was lame for going to class and doing well. You're mindset is why we do not excel. Just because racist use certain facts as talking points doesn't make it less true.
 
With all do respect, you remind me of the kids who told me I was lame for going to class and doing well. You're mindset is why we do not excel.

You know Dray is a successful business man, right?

You know he pretty much came from nothing, right?

You're talking to people who are the prototypes for Black excellence, who are speaking from experience, who are plugged into politics...

...and you sound like a complete idiot.


Just because racist use certain facts as talking points doesn't make it less true.

Nothing a racist says about Black people is true. Their statements about us have always been lies.

You sir, are looking mighty coonish right now.
 
:colin: :colin: :colin: Colin adverse -- Don't tag me. The cliff notes are vote DEMOCRAT.

I don't agree with abortion either. It absolutely should be a last resort. However, while I am anti abortion/prolife I am also pro-choice, and no, this is not a contradiction.

It may or may not have started out differently, but the most vocal "Pro-Life" advocates are actually just Pro-BIRTH. In many cases, being anti-abortion is a means to be legalistic and punitive toward women who dare have sex outside of marriage and flaunt Christian values. It's not about saving lives, it's about controlling behaviors such as premarital sex. To many, they see making access to birth control and education as giving permission to sin. They see giving food assistance as letting sinners escape the consequences of their actions, and refuse to extend grace and mercy to people who have fallen short. If they were actually about reducing abortions, they wouldn't be anti-contraceptive. This also has links to white genocide groups, but we don't need to go there.

Instead of supporting women and families to make sure they have food and healthcare, proper contraceptives to be able to choose when they get pregnant, time after time these "pro life" people support candidates who are against this and complain about their taxes supporting lazy welfare queens because the candidates wrap their opposition to these things in biblical phrases. "Life is important. Children are a gift from God. Abortion is a sin." Then, as soon as the baby exits the birth canal, the mother is a sinner who should have made better choices and kept her legs closed. Now she needs to to work and get off the government teat. She made her bed, now she has to lie in it. She needs to learn her lesson. They can't wait to see the woman punished for not living right and saving herself for a godly marriage union in the first place. After all, how will others learn the lesson of what not to do if a woman does all the wrong things, and still prospers or has a decent life?

Folks in the past, even around here in the house of RAW, NO PULLOUT, want to throw up Margaret Sanger and try to shame me for being black and Christian and supporting democrats, though technically I consider myself independent, but if people were TRULY pro life, they would vote dem. Democrats want to make the entire American life experience better and attainable, from birth- to death with dignity.

Dems want you to have a living wage to be able to afford to take care of a family without working so many jobs you never see them or are too tired to spend time with them, educate, raise and guide them properly.

Dems want you to have affordable healthcare so you can afford to have the baby and get medical care during and after birth.

Dems want you to have paid family leave, so you can spend time with your family if a crises arises, and have time to bond with your child when s/he is first born.

Dems want women to have workplace protections so they can return to work after giving birth and affordable childcare so you can work and have your children looked after in a safe environment.

Dems want people to have affordable contraceptives and to be educated about reproductive health to know how to use birth control properly and have it available to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. Abortion should be rare.

After one retires, Dems want people who have worked hard all their lives but may not have a savings to be able to eat and have an income to survive via social security, medicare and medicaid, and when the time comes, to die with dignity.

If pregnancy could not have been prevented for whatever reason, would I prefer someone to put their child up for adoption or given to a family member to raise? Yes. Though they still would have medical bills, the work and medical leave issues etc, which I mentioned above. We know from before that women were having unsafe abortions with coat hangers and unsafe/unclean place which often caused not only the loss of the child, but the mother as well. I don't want to go back to those times. This will always dis-proportionality affect poor people, because the wealthy can always discretely pay to end their problems. Until all these issues are mostly resolved, I am going to remain pro-choice and trust the mother and her doctor to make the best decision for her own situation. In some families, one more child is the difference between being slightly food insecure, to everyone starving. Yet I am still not "pro-abortion," no one is PRO abortion. I'm just realistic.

People used to hit hard times, get on welfare for a few months and get off. Then GOP propaganda made black folks and other people of color the face of abuse of the system and talked people into standing idly by while they made the system difficult transition away from, and even navigate in the first place, because the perception was they were stopping black folks from getting over on the system. There was a time one could start working and then end assistance. Now, I'm told, if one wishes to get off assistance and try to start working, they end benefits immediately, including health care. I don't know if that changed after the ACA passed or not.

The same thing happened with Covid. Covid19 has revealed that they aren't pro-life. Many can't even bring themselves to utter the phrase "Black Lives Matter." When black folks became the face of the pandemic deaths, no one wanted to care anymore and everyone wanted to open back up. Their lack of compassion is their own downfall. Red states are being hit hard with Covid. Now that millions of people are out of work, they are finding out the system is not made for living large, only to barely survive and the systems in place to make it harder for black folks and PoC, is making it hard for them, too. They voted to cut their own safety nets. They weren't worried about death panels, like they claimed when congress was trying to pass the ACA. The same ACA that GOP congress members who have tried to end it are now telling their constituents to sign up for, since so many have lost their employer healthcare. We know this because as soon as Covid ended their ability to get hair cuts, go to bars and gather in large numbers, Grandma and Grandpa became expendable. Now their children are expendable, too.

If the country had actually listened to Obama, passed and strengthened the polices he wanted to put into place, we would have weathered this entire pandemic and come out in a much better place.

If you want actual POLICIES that support LIFE and FAMILY, not just the RHETORIC, vote PRO-FAMILY which means to Vote DEMOCRAT. Put the policies in place that eliminate the "need" for abortion outside of rape or incest, and I'd actually support anti-abortion legislation.

It's been several years, but I've voted republican in the past. I also know black Trump supporters exist. I have some in my own family. Two for religious reasons, one who recently became involved in following politics and is getting fed a bunch of RW BS and conspiracy theories. Heffa sent me a video of Dinesh D'Souza. I laughed my ass off. I told her next she'll be following Candace Owens. You know what she replied? "Ooohhh I love Candace." Seriously. She mentioned George Soros and Bill Gates about something, too. Six months ago, outside of Bill Gates, she had never even heard of these people. Thankfully, most of the rest of my family is sane, but I still have friends who saw Trump as appealing because of his anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant stance. There are a bunch on this board who agreed with him for the way he attacked other races, also.

The republicans who are still supporting Trump are not the run of the mill republicans. Either they have drunk the koolaid or their political futures are so intertwined with his that his win is the only way they stay in office. They are learning their lessons they hard way also, because after all his demands for loyalty, and seeing how he has screwed any and everyone except maybe Michael Flynn and Roger Stone, they still thought he would financially support their reelections like past candidates, and are finding out the hard way he won't.

Any of the sane republicans, like the ones behind the Lincoln project, have left the party and are working to take down Trump and his enablers. They are also putting aside any pro-life or economic policies because they have the wisdom to see the damage which has been done, and which will continue to be done, here and abroad, until he is out of office.

While I agree that dem doesn't automatically mean good, and republican doesn't automatically mean bad, one party overall stands up for people and the right thing, and the other party is happy to let the country burn, as long as they get to stay in power and make a few money grabs while it happens. That may not always have been the case, and it may change again in the future, but for right now, democrats are the only sane choice that has a chance of winning. We can't afford to split the vote and end up with another 4 years of Trump.





simple as that :thumbsup:
 
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