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Greatest NBA Power Forward

Greatest NBA Power Forward

  • Karl Malone

    Votes: 41 17.9%

  • Charles Barkley

    Votes: 43 18.8%

  • Tim Duncan

    Votes: 131 57.2%

  • Kevin Garnett

    Votes: 14 6.1%
  • Total voters
    229
alexw said:
and stop with the 4 year bullshit fam
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AW,

you on some geto boys shit right now, because kevin mchale playing tricks on you.

kevin mchale was only a full time starter from 1985-1988. 4 seasons. during that time, the boston celtics won 1 NBA finals with kevin mchale in the starting lineup.

again, i haven't said anything disparaging or untrue about kevin mchale.

just curious about the hyperbole.
 
Why wasnt he started for the first 5 years though...who was starting at the PF for the Celtics... i might have to look that one up.. I dont remember
 
Philli said:
How is Hakeem a PF? He played center for the majority of his career. He played center once Ralph Sampson left Houston. He played center for like 10-12 years.
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I started to respond to the same silly argument but i was too lazt to be honest. Comparing Duncan at the PF to Hakeem is beyond absurd. Duncan has played the PF spot all of his career and only played center during certain rotations when the spurs did a horrendous job of getting him front court help (afer Nesterovic) and he was forced to play with the likes of Elson (who he still won a title with), and the Argentinin guy.

Guys are pulling shit out of their ass to justify an invalid point. Duncan was/is a PF. He played along side Dave not because the spurs didnt want to disrespect Dave, but because he was brought in as a prototypical PF. They were called the twin towers not because both were considered centers, but because both were 7footers. Obviously he played some center but he is a PF. And who cares what position he played in college. Most star centers in college are moved to PF, depending on their skill set.
 
eewwll said:
Why wasnt he started for the first 5 years though...who was starting at the PF for the Celtics... i might have to look that one up.. I dont remember
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no need to look it up.

larry joe bird was the boston celtics' starting PF.
 
eewwll said:
Some franchises just stay fucking up...in their culture for decades

September 9, 1980: Kevin McHale traded by the Golden State Warriors (as a 1980 1st round draft pick) with Robert Parish to the Boston Celtics for a 1980 1st round draft pick (Rickey Brown) and a 1980 1st round draft pick (Joe Barry Carroll).

Heading into the 1980 NBA Draft the Celtics held the number one overall pick. But in a shrewd pre-draft trade, considered by some to be among the most lopsided in NBA history, Boston Celtics President Red Auerbach dealt the top pick and an additional first-round pick to the Golden State Warriors for Warriors center Robert Parish and the Warriors' first-round pick, the third overall. With that pick the Celtics chose McHale.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
eewwll said:
Why wasnt he started for the first 5 years though...who was starting at the PF for the Celtics... i might have to look that one up.. I dont remember
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Bird was the power forward and Maxwell was the small forward. McHale was so good off the bench as a 6th Man that they left him there. Carrying on the Havlicek tradition. His last year coming off the bench was '83-'84 (when he played a then career high 31 MPG) he averaged 18 PPG and 7.5 RPG. Over the next 5 or so years he averaged around 23 PPG and 9 RPG as a starter.
 
eewwll said:
McHale shot over 60 percent multiple times. When he got you on the low post, it was money. He had so many low posts moves man... and his head and ball fakes were just to technically on point...could go in either direction with ease...and dude used to pivot a mofo out of his shoes.... and could hit that bank shot...dude was a tough defensive assignment for PFs.

Plus..people sleep on how good he was on the defensive end..he stayed on the defensive 1st and 2nd team..and not for bullshit... dude used to rack up a lot of blocks etc.

he used to kill my Pistons...
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:yes::yes::yes::yes:

i was Pistons fan back then....my favorite players are always tough little men


Blunt said:
He won two of those awards, before becoming a First Team All-NBA starter.
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ok, I remember him getting more minutes than the starter back then
cranrab said:
AW,

you on some geto boys shit right now, because kevin mchale playing tricks on you.

kevin mchale was only a full time starter from 1985-1988. 4 seasons. during that time, the boston celtics won 1 NBA finals with kevin mchale in the starting lineup.

again, i haven't said anything disparaging or untrue about kevin mchale.

just curious about the hyperbole.
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he wasnt a fulltime starter due to injury, fam

youre making it seem like there was someone better on the team

hell, he got more minutes than the starter when he came off the bench in the early 80's
 
Blunt said:
Bird was the power forward and Maxwell was the small forward. McHale was so good off the bench as a 6th Man that they left him there. Carrying on the Havlicek tradition. His last year coming off the bench was '83-'84 (when he played a then career high 31 MPG) he averaged 18 PPG and 7.5 RPG.
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right, mchale played the ginobli role of today

and like i said earlier, he destroyed cats coming off the bench
 
cranrab said:
there were only 3 seasons where injury was really a problem for him.

but for purposes of this thread and in SVT's shorthand, charles barkely > kevin mchale
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man i clearly remember him starting when Reggie Lewis played

and that was the early 90's

he started more than 4 seasons

besides that, Ive seen McHale shut down Chuck on D and then destroy him on O

Barkely couldnt fuck with dude....pure mismatch
 
cranrab said:
you'd sort of expect that though, wouldn't you?

and tends to explain (in part) his productivity, no?
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no, he got starter minutes back then so he always played against the best

dude, why are you trying so hard to discredit this man????

he was fucking phenomenal

lord knows how great he couldve been if he didnt stay injured
 
alexw said:
man i clearly remember him starting when Reggie Lewis played

and that was the early 90's
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as i stated earlier, kevin mchale was a full time starter in 1985-1988. 4 seasons.

reggie lewis (RIP) began his career in 1987. so of course you saw kevin mchale play 2 seasons as a full time starter with reggie lewis.
 
alexw said:
dude, why are you trying so hard to discredit this man?
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how am i trying to discredit him?

didn't i already offer my opinion that i thought he was talented?

didn't i acknowledge that the boston celtics won an NBA finals with him as a full time starter?

it's not my fault that both coach rodgers and coach ford felt that the celtics were a better team with reggie lewis and ed pinckney starting over kevin mchale.

:confused:
 
cranrab said:
as i stated earlier, kevin mchale was a full time starter in 1985-1988. 4 seasons.
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More importantly, he played 33 or more MPG for 6 straight years and 31 or more for 8 straight. His first 3 (as a primo 6th Man) and his last two (when he had bad feet) were the only ones under 30.
 
cranrab said:
as i stated earlier, kevin mchale was a full time starter in 1985-1988. 4 seasons.

reggie lewis (RIP) began his career in 1987. so of course you saw kevin mchale play 2 seasons as a full time starter with reggie lewis.
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maybe:cool:

oh well, the white boy was a beast
 
eewwll said:
McHale shot over 60 percent multiple times. When he got you on the low post, it was money. He had so many low posts moves man... and his head and ball fakes were just to technically on point...could go in either direction with ease...and dude used to pivot a mofo out of his shoes.... and could hit that bank shot...dude was a tough defensive assignment for PFs.

Plus..people sleep on how good he was on the defensive end..he stayed on the defensive 1st and 2nd team..and not for bullshit... dude used to rack up a lot of blocks etc.

he used to kill my Pistons...
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Kevin did open up the game for cats who followed after him..
 
cranrab said:
how am i trying to discredit him?

didn't i already offer my opinion that i thought he was talented?

didn't i acknowledge that the boston celtics won an NBA finals with him as a full time starter?

it's not my fault that both coach rodgers and coach ford felt that the celtics were a better team with reggie lewis and ed pinckney starting over kevin mchale.

:confused:
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this comment is laughable when youre speaking of an injury prone player

pinkney better >:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
cranrab said:
it's not my fault that both coach rodgers and coach ford felt that the celtics were a better team with reggie lewis and ed pinckney starting over kevin mchale.
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Don't be silly. Dude was being saved in those last days. He'd played too long with a broken foot back in '86-'87 and never fully recovered.
 
Blunt said:
More importantly, he played 33 or more MPG for 6 straight years and 31 or more for 8 straight. His first 3 (as a primo 6th Man) and his last two (when he had bad feet) were the only ones under 30.
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thats what ive been saying throughout the thread

he's always played big time minutes when he was healthy

i dont see how many years he started goes against his accomplishments or his game
 
cranrab said:
:confused:

we need an objective 3rd party to review the data from the 24 games instances where their 2 teams played each other:

http://url.ie/59fg

any volunteers?
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When did Barkley ever play on a team where he had two other players competing with him for rebounds, nevermind in scoring? In Kevin's best year, when he averaged 9.9 RPG, you also had Parish with 10.6 and Bird with 9.2.

In Barkleys's best rebounding year (14.6), the next best teammate had around 7. You can carry this theme throughout their careers. Barkley was THE MAN on his teams. McHale had to share the glory and the NUMBERS.
 
alexw said:
this comment is laughable when youre speaking of an injury prone player

pinkney better >:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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when did offer an opinion that ed pinckney was better?

i only stated that 2 boston celtics head coaches felt it was a better option to have reggie lewis and ed pinckney starting over kevin mchale.

not my sentiments, but their actions.

and i wouldn't really refer to kevin mchale as injury prone. he had a few seasons with nagging injuries, but he was always ready to play in the post season. i'd consider someone injury prone if they repeatedly suffered season-ending injuries (ex. bill walton).
 
cranrab said:
:confused:

we need an objective 3rd party to review the data from the 24 games instances where their 2 teams played each other:

http://url.ie/59fg

any volunteers?
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show me the other hall of famers Barkely had to share the rock with?
cranrab said:
when did offer an opinion that ed pinckney was better?

i only stated that 2 boston celtics head coaches felt it was a better option to have reggie lewis and ed pinckney starting over kevin mchale.

not my sentiments, but their actions.

and i wouldn't really refer to kevin mchale as injury prone. he had a few seasons with nagging injuries, but he was always ready to play in the post season. i'd consider someone injury prone if they repeatedly suffered season-ending injuries (ex. bill walton).
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dude he had bad feet...what are you talking about????

of course you save your best injured players for the playoff run

crab im done, you just debate for fucks sake

fuck logic
 
Blunt said:
He'd played too long with a broken foot back in '86-'87 and never fully recovered.
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interesting opinion, considering kevin mchale logged his 2nd and 3rd highest CAREER MP per game in 1987 and 1988 respectively.

even more interesting, considering kevin mchale logged his 2nd and 3rd highest CAREER MP in a season in 1988 and 1989 respectively.

also of note is that the celtics won 2 NBA finals in 4 seasons where kevin mchale logged his fewest MP per game.
 
Duncan.

Dude won four rings with the Spurs, as they re-tooled their team multiple times. Great offensive player, great defensive player.

Guys say Malone and Barkley didn't win because of MJ and that should be a credit to them - that's fine.

But allow me to say Duncan was essentially this generations MJ - along with Shaq.
 
alexw said:
crab im done, you just debate for fucks sake

fuck logic
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no problem.

BTW, not debating for any purpose.

just genuinely interested what people actually might have observed to lead them to conclusions similar to those of SVT (or yourself).
 
My question is why are only the players of the last thirty years included in this poll is the PF position only invented then?
 

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