Greatest NBA Power Forward

[daman200]

TIMMY DUNCAN HE AINT THE BIG FUNDAMENTAL FOR NOTHING........HE GOT THE NUMBERS THE RINGS.....HE JUST GOT NO PERSONALITY.....IF HE HAD PERSONALITY HE WOULD BE ON TNT LIKE BARKLEY.....TIMMY A REALLY COOL DUDE....GOTTA RESPECT A DUDE THAT CLOCK IN AND OUT AND DOES HIS JOB WELL AND DONT START NO SHIT....HALL OF FAMER NO DOUBT.....TOP 10 GREAT PLAYER NO DOUBT.

 

[actinanass]

Duncan is better when he is a power forward. Same as Dirk, Amare, and KG.

Notice when Duncan has a defensive big man to back him up, he won championships. This is why I'm confident that Dallas did the right move adding Hayward, and why KG won a championship in Boston. They are all PF's, and need a defensive big man to allow them to play their offensive game.

I'm sorry though, Dirk is the best offensive PF in this generation though.

 

[fwillia]

Duncan is better when he is a power forward. Same as Dirk, Amare, and KG.

Notice when Duncan has a defensive big man to back him up, he won championships. This is why I'm confident that Dallas did the right move adding Hayward, and why KG won a championship in Boston. They are all PF's, and need a defensive big man to allow them to play their offensive game.

I'm sorry though, Dirk is the best offensive PF in this generation though.

Ni99as need to start giving Dirk his respect. Think about how long he' been producing at this level. As far as facing up and bustin' the ass of the guy who's defending you goes, Dirk is definitely the best of his era.

 

[RunawaySlave]

I know I'm old and all but Elgin Baylor can't get any love?

or Elvin Hayes?

but you can kill that McHale shit

 

[RunawaySlave]

sorry but any PF who gets layed up on by 6'2" guards should NOT be on this list. Defense should be considered just as much as points per game. At PF, Barkley got posted up by bigger men even in his prime. Biggest strike against him is that he made that bum (the originator of nothing but the push off offensive foul and the travelling "drop step") McHale look good

 

[Blunt]

or Elvin Hayes?

but you can kill that McHale shit

You must be very young.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Kevin Mchale was a fucking monster

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Where's Rodman? I'd put him before I'd put KG and KG's my dude.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Also, any player who actually started out as a center but got roasted so badly by other centers that his team had to switch him over to power forward to avoid getting blown out game after game, should NOT be on the list. That's like calling the middleweight fighter who moves down in weight and then dominates the welterweight division the greatest boxer

 

[T.o.R.]

just because he is a 7-footer doesn't automatically make him a center. using that argument would mean that Magic would be a PF and Barkley a SG. Height don't mean jack.

and even after Robinson, there was always a center playing alongside Duncan whether it was Nazr, Oberto, or Nesterovic. you're calling these guys PFs?

Thats true. Its not about just about Height. IMO, its more about Game, but height and athleticism also play a role. Duncan is a PF/C game wise, I'll give that to you, as other players (David West, Webber...)... His Natural postion is Center, meaning if you were to build a team of greats to play on the court, your Center would be guarding Duncan and He would be selected to play the Center position. Now of course you could select Duncan AND shaq to have an advantage, but you would just be playing with 2 Centers. That's why duncan/robinson were known as the Twin Towers. Noone refered to Antonio/Dale Davis as the "Twin Towers".

Peep this:

Any other team, this wouldnt even be a conversation. The Spurs got lucky, Robinson got hurt, of course they had to start both of them therefor Duncan at PF. Its like the Yankees with Jeter/A.Rod. Duncan's NATURAL position is Center, where he played in college, sometimes getting OWNED by Camby. I think the Spurs saw a formula that worked and stuck with it, explaining the turntable at centers since Robinson.

I think the boxing example was good.



side Note:

Larry Bird was a SF, who sometimes posted. Lebron is a SF, who sometimes runs point. Maybe they should come up with more specific names for positions. Here are some ideas:

Post Forward? - Antawn Jamison
Point Forward - LBJ
Defensive Guard? - Michael Cooper\Bruce Bowen

 

[cli-terminator]

I hate the black redneck too

but you got to give him his propz

dude scored over 35k points ( i dont know the exact number)

thats incredible

thats what 2nd or 3rd all time

Barkely cant compete with that

hell i think he snagged more boards too

Barkley never played with a point guard the calibur of John Stockton for most of his career. Stockton made Malone's scoring easy as hell. Barkley didn't play with a good point guard til he went to Phoenix in Kevin Johnson & even then KJ was on the decline in his career. I do agree that McHale should be ahead of both of them though. His offense on the low block is underrated.

 

[cli-terminator]

Where's Rodman? I'd put him before I'd put KG and KG's my dude.

You're wilding. Rodman brought defense & rebounding but KG brought that plus offense. Who was the better defender/rebounder? Rodman without a doubt but not by that much more over Garnett. Rodman excelled in getting in his opponent's head & taking them outta their game.

 

[TheKingofVa]

It's between Malone or Barkley because Duncan isn't a PF. If he counts as a PF then Hakeem does, that makes Hakeem the greatest PF of all time. I voted for Malone by a hair.

 

[CeeloChamp]

I picked Duncan too... but honestly, either you're too young to have watched Barkley play in the mid-80's through the mid-90's... or you're on crack

Like him or not, I can't understand how anybody who watched him over those years would say that shit down there. Yeah, it was mighty impressive that someone 6'5" could get up in there with guys a half foot taller than him and come out on top... but to say that his height is the only reason he was impressive is insane.

exctly im like wtf?

 

[alexw]

Barkley never played with a point guard the calibur of John Stockton for most of his career. Stockton made Malone's scoring easy as hell. Barkley didn't play with a good point guard til he went to Phoenix in Kevin Johnson & even then KJ was on the decline in his career. I do agree that McHale should be ahead of both of them though. His offense on the low block is underrated.

weak argument

malone made stockton, not vice versa

he was so good he made stocktons job easy

Malone had to knock down those J's and grab those boards

something he did with relative ease

 

[cranrab]

Barkley didn't play with a good point guard til he went to Phoenix in Kevin Johnson & even then KJ was on the decline in his career.

that's a fucking insult and 1 of the most blasphemous comments i've ever seen on BGOL.

 

[cranrab]

Kevin Mchale was a fucking monster

in your opinion, and in YOUR OWN words, what leads you to this conclusion?

just asking.

 

[cli-terminator]

weak argument

malone made stockton, not vice versa

he was so good he made stocktons job easy

Malone had to knock down those J's and grab those boards

something he did with relative ease

I'm not arguing that Malone didn't have skills to knock down those jumpers or grab those boards. My point is that Stockton's game made people worry about him as much as they did about Malone hence opening up more opportunities than he would have if Stockton wasn't in the lineup. Plus Stockton's ability to thread the needle with his passes put Malone in prime position to constantly score easy baskets. Barkley on the other hand was just about always the focal point of the opposing defense & didn't have that 2nd marquee player to make the game easier for him.

that's a fucking insult and 1 of the most blasphemous comments i've ever seen on BGOL.

What great point guard did Barkley play with prior to going to Phoenix? If you can name one then I'll retract my statement no questions asked.

 

[alexw]

What great point guard did Barkley play with prior to going to Phoenix? If you can name one then I'll retract my statement no questions asked.

damn fam, how old are you?

you never heard of mo (maurice) cheeks???

 

[shaddyvillethug]

in your opinion, and in YOUR OWN words, what leads you to this conclusion?

just asking.

so kevin Mchale didn't have a Insane Post Game under the basket?

 

[Spectrum]

that's a fucking insult and 1 of the most blasphemous comments i've ever seen on BGOL.

co fucking sign...wtf... did he forget about Mo Cheeks ....one of the best points of all time ...3rd in career steals...8th in assists...

 

[Spectrum]

What great point guard did Barkley play with prior to going to Phoenix? If you can name one then I'll retract my statement no questions asked.

co fucking sign...wtf... did he forget about Mo Cheeks ....one of the best points of all time ...3rd in career steals...8th in assists...

answer above..retract statement now

 

[cranrab]

so kevin Mchale didn't have a Insane Post Game under the basket?

do "fucking monsters" with "insane post game" spend only 4 out of 13 seasons as a full time starter?

again, just asking for your opinion in YOUR OWN words.

 

[Blunt]

so kevin Mchale didn't have a Insane Post Game under the basket?

Couldn't be stopped on offense. 6-time All-Defensive Team. Averaged 9.0 RPG for years on a team that had two other players doing likewise at the same time. Excelled as both a Sixth Man and then as a starter. Winner. Robbed of the MVP in '86-'87 (26.1 PPG, 9.9 RPG, .604 FG%. .836 FT%). Finished 4th, despite having a totally dominant year. Couldn't overcome Magic, Jordan and Bird.

 

[alexw]

I'm not arguing that Malone didn't have skills to knock down those jumpers or grab those boards. My point is that Stockton's game made people worry about him as much as they did about Malone hence opening up more opportunities than he would have if Stockton wasn't in the lineup. Plus Stockton's ability to thread the needle with his passes put Malone in prime position to constantly score easy baskets. Barkley on the other hand was just about always the focal point of the opposing defense & didn't have that 2nd marquee player to make the game easier for him.

man nobody was worried about stockton beating them. they were worried about malone. stockton is the most overrated guard in history and how he got that dream team spot over Zeke is blasphemy. utah ran a pick and roll which was perfect for malones game. stockton just had to run the offense correctly. malone scored easy baskets due to his talent. he scored whether stockton was in the game or not. stockton was the beneficiary of that relationship not malone. malone made stockton great since he had the ability to hit those 15 ft jumpers. that was his game and he needed relatively no space to pop them in your face

 

[alexw]

do "fucking monsters" with "insane post game" spend only 4 out of 13 seasons as a full time starter?

again, just asking for your opinion in YOUR OWN words.

youre tripping bruh

seriously

white or black, dude was unguardable

and all the all star games and defensive first teams he made means nothing huh????

mchale was my goat until duncan came around

 

[shaddyvillethug]

do "fucking monsters" with "insane post game" spend only 4 out of 13 seasons as a full time starter?

again, just asking for your opinion in YOUR OWN words.

i saw greatness

 

[cranrab]

youre tripping bruh

seriously

where have i disparaged kevin mchale to any degree?

just asking SVT on what basis he personally reached his conclusion.

i find it funny that robert parish can hold his starting gig for damn near 2 DECADES but nobody has him on a GOAT list.

i find it funny that cornbread held his spot most of his career, won a finals MVP, but kevin mchale is held up as an example of "greatness".

for the record, i think kevin mchale was a talented player with some good habits. just wondering where all the hyperbole comes from.

 

[cranrab]

i saw greatness

can you elaborate on "greatness"? that's a little vague.

not asking for specific game examples (yet), but just general things you witnessed that separates kevin mchale from the rest of the pack.

 

[Spectrum]

Some franchises just stay fucking up...in their culture for decades

September 9, 1980: Kevin McHale traded by the Golden State Warriors (as a 1980 1st round draft pick) with Robert Parish to the Boston Celtics for a 1980 1st round draft pick (Rickey Brown) and a 1980 1st round draft pick (Joe Barry Carroll).

Heading into the 1980 NBA Draft the Celtics held the number one overall pick. But in a shrewd pre-draft trade, considered by some to be among the most lopsided in NBA history, Boston Celtics President Red Auerbach dealt the top pick and an additional first-round pick to the Golden State Warriors for Warriors center Robert Parish and the Warriors' first-round pick, the third overall. With that pick the Celtics chose McHale.

 

[Philli]

It's between Malone or Barkley because Duncan isn't a PF. If he counts as a PF then Hakeem does, that makes Hakeem the greatest PF of all time. I voted for Malone by a hair.

How is Hakeem a PF? He played center for the majority of his career. He played center once Ralph Sampson left Houston. He played center for like 10-12 years.

 

[actinanass]

sorry but any PF who gets layed up on by 6'2" guards should NOT be on this list. Defense should be considered just as much as points per game. At PF, Barkley got posted up by bigger men even in his prime. Biggest strike against him is that he made that bum (the originator of nothing but the push off offensive foul and the travelling "drop step") McHale look good

Dirk is average at best on the defense end. I'm not going to argue that, but he blows away ANY PF when it comes to offense. He is unstoppable on the offensive end. Just think if Dirk would of played with a superstar Guard like Pau Gasol did.

Dirk is the best offensive PF of this era PERIOD, END OF SUBJECT.

Duncan went to the perfect situation in San Antonio. KG got a lucky ass trade to a weak ass conference. All of that I respect, but I find it funny that no one wants to give Dirk any props..

 

[alexw]

where have i disparaged kevin mchale to any degree?

just asking SVT on what basis he personally reached his conclusion.

i find it funny that robert parish can hold his starting gig for damn near 2 DECADES but nobody has him on a GOAT list.

i find it funny that cornbread held his spot most of his career, won a finals MVP, but kevin mchale is held up as an example of "greatness".

for the record, i think kevin mchale was a talented player with some good habits. just wondering where all the hyperbole comes from.

there is no exaggeration

Chief was a great player but he wasnt on Birds or McHales level

When McHale got you down low it was a guaranteed bucket

dude invented shit down there in the block

and stop with the 4 year bullshit fam

dude was the 6th man for a couple of years then he became a full time starter

i dont know if he won any 6 man awards but he murdered cats coming off the bench

that doesnt go against him at all

and when he finally did start for more than 5 years, he really murdered cats on both ends of the floor

the white boy was fucking phenomenal back then

hell i loved Zeke, i hated that niggah worse than bird

in my eyes, he was the greatest celtic

bird had off nights, mchale got you down low and it was buckets

dude was the goat until timmy came along

 

[Spectrum]

When McHale got you down low it was a guaranteed bucket

dude invented shit down there in the block

McHale shot over 60 percent multiple times. When he got you on the low post, it was money. He had so many low posts moves man... and his head and ball fakes were just to technically on point...could go in either direction with ease...and dude used to pivot a mofo out of his shoes.... and could hit that bank shot...dude was a tough defensive assignment for PFs.

Plus..people sleep on how good he was on the defensive end..he stayed on the defensive 1st and 2nd team..and not for bullshit... dude used to rack up a lot of blocks etc.

he used to kill my Pistons...

 

[Blunt]

dude was the 6th man for a couple of years then he became a full time starter

i dont know if he won any 6 man awards but he murdered cats coming off the bench

He won two of those awards, before becoming a First Team All-NBA starter.