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Permanently (rather than temporarily) end the BEST interpretation of the Joker because the origins of the joker is unknown then throw in random joker copy cats?

POOR writing

He KILLED that role.

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I know yall liked Jerome...but...considering the fan theories that was out last season, I'm surprised no one mentioned Penguin talking about changing his laugh...or did someone catch that?

THAT was the best line of the night:lol:!

And that is why I made the Adam west reference

At this point this show is so insane I think they can make those slick references all the time.

And not get campy or silly

I guarantee we will see Gordon scaling the side of a building using a rope and his feet and a semi famous person pop there head out of a window.
 
Permanently (rather than temporarily) end the BEST interpretation of the Joker because the origins of the joker is unknown then throw in random joker copy cats?

POOR writing

He KILLED that role.

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which is just so dumb because if the origins are unknown you don't have to worry about staying faithful to a story. you can create your own origin story!
 
Elaborate Im confused :confused:


But the whole point of Gerome and the reveal was to set up that laugh; which brings fear in people hearts, the same way "red hood" brought out peoples rebellious side.

Thinking about it this morning, killing Him was more of an out than anything.

Heath was great because we didnt get over exposed to him.
So was Gerome. They both exited on a high note before it got stale.

I think Letos portrayal will be the same. It will be different and will leave us wanting more that we will not get.

She is referencing the batman 66 burgess Meredith penguin trademark classic cigarette holder quack laugh.

Nice shout out to the OG.
 
This is an EXCELLENT idea. There are only a few characters that I was sad to see get murked onscreen (Commander Data from Star Trek is in the top three), but Cameron Monaghan's Joker has definitely made the list.

If they can do fresh and/or purposely misleading takes on other iconic villains OR cast other chicks as fine as Jessica Lucas--

(Lemme pause here and show some respect:

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Okay, back to what I was saying...)

--,then I'll keep right on tuning in. They have plenty to pick from. :yes:

Good lawd that woman....

Please make her the original catwoman....
 
Elaborate Im confused :confused:

She is referencing the batman 66 burgess Meredith penguin trademark classic cigarette holder quack laugh.

Nice shout out to the OG.

Nope.

There were a lot of rumors going around last season that Penguin will not be THE PENGUIN that we know, but he would be Joker. His suit has touches of teal (green), purple, and sometimes orange. And because like Bills said you can make your own origin here, a lot of people was thinking that in order to shed the Penguin identity, Joker is born, while someone he grows close with will become the Penguin we know. The theory was really gaining steam last season...

http://www.cinemablend.com/televisi...What-Gotham-Robin-Lord-Taylor-Says-69341.html

THAT was the best line of the night:lol:!

And that is why I made the Adam west reference

At this point this show is so insane I think they can make those slick references all the time.

And not get campy or silly

I guarantee we will see Gordon scaling the side of a building using a rope and his feet and a semi famous person pop there head out of a window.

:lol:

I don't think they would go that far, they are really trying to keep it dark and brooding. Campy would be jumping the shark...perhaps the obligatory musical episode when they know it's the last season. But yea that line was just thrown in there, nonchalant. Writers know what they doing.


But that scene with the tv cameras though...Theo saying his name...staged as hell :lol:



Off topic:
It's a good bunch of stuff on tv right now.
 
I kept hearing the same thing about Jerome not being the Joker but hey it was fun watching him while it lasted They did borrow from Batman Returns though the whole villain faking it as a hero and winning the publics adoration
 
Nope.

There were a lot of rumors going around last season that Penguin will not be THE PENGUIN that we know, but he would be Joker. His suit has touches of teal (green), purple, and sometimes orange. And because like Bills said you can make your own origin here, a lot of people was thinking that in order to shed the Penguin identity, Joker is born, while someone he grows close with will become the Penguin we know. The theory was really gaining steam last season...

http://www.cinemablend.com/televisi...What-Gotham-Robin-Lord-Taylor-Says-69341.html



:lol:

I don't think they would go that far, they are really trying to keep it dark and brooding. Campy would be jumping the shark...perhaps the obligatory musical episode when they know it's the last season. But yea that line was just thrown in there, nonchalant. Writers know what they doing.


But that scene with the tv cameras though...Theo saying his name...staged as hell :lol:



Off topic:
It's a good bunch of stuff on tv right now.

WE saying the same...but still disagree :lol:

I think they trying to bake the cake and eat it too.

They better be careful and not try to out think themselves and get lost pun intended.

At this point as long as long as I'm entertained....they could do whatever they want.
 
WE saying the same...but still disagree :lol:

I think they trying to bake the cake and eat it too.

They better be careful and not try to out think themselves and get lost pun intended.

At this point as long as long as I'm entertained....they could do whatever they want.

I got it.

That is a problem I see a lot, writers loosing themselves in the work in the worst kind of way. Overthinking instead of just telling one story. Or multiple stories with one convergence point. Heroes is a good example of how it can go so horribly wrong. I hope that they have a good handle on this...at least the pacing so far seems to be constant. I know first season had some pacing concerns but that wasn't the writers fault, cause they ordered 13 episodes and had to continue the story when it got picked up. I think it'll be fine this season...


...which brings up another point. How come creators/writers don't make shows with a timeline? I mean a true end game? The concept can't go on forever with the same people...have a story that you can tell in five seasons and be done. You don't have to keep going just cause the money is there.

Just saying...
 
I got it.

That is a problem I see a lot, writers loosing themselves in the work in the worst kind of way. Overthinking instead of just telling one story. Or multiple stories with one convergence point. Heroes is a good example of how it can go so horribly wrong. I hope that they have a good handle on this...at least the pacing so far seems to be constant. I know first season had some pacing concerns but that wasn't the writers fault, cause they ordered 13 episodes and had to continue the story when it got picked up. I think it'll be fine this season...


...which brings up another point. How come creators/writers don't make shows with a timeline? I mean a true end game? The concept can't go on forever with the same people...have a story that you can tell in five seasons and be done. You don't have to keep going just cause the money is there.

Just saying...

church.

But it IS about the money.

But you are right because MANY instances the shows got so big and cultish even AFTER the studio tasks the WRITERS how much you need?

they STILL get it wrong.

SOA knew EXACTLY when they wanted to end, same with the shield, LOST, Justified, Sopranos, Dexter, the Wire and a few others...

but few knew what to really do with it.

surprisingly I have actually seen BETTER endings when showed got cancelled out of the blue.
 
good episode tonight. The transformation of each villain is the best part. I'm looking forward to what happens with Riddler.
 
http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/gotham-nycc-paul-reubens-penguin-dad.html

Paul Reubens Will Play Penguin’s Dad in Gotham


You could tell Gotham star Robin Lord Taylor wasn't putting on airs when he giddily asked scribe John Stephens if he could reveal who'd be playing his TV dad. Taylor, who shines as Oswald "Penguin" Cobblepot, is one of Gotham's breakout stars, so it was a pleasure to see him do everything but squee aloud when he announced Paul Reubens got the job (the character's mom is played by Carol Kane). Reubens has previously played the older Cobblepot in the Tim Burton–helmed Batman Returns, as Taylor was quick to point out, so there's reason to be excited.

Vulture attended the show's New York Comic Con panel, and though the Penguin announcement was the biggest revelation, here are five other can't-miss Gotham tidbits, including the undecided fate of Jerome "the Joker" Valeska, as well as a possible reunion for Jim Gordon and his insane ex-fiancée Barbara Kean, we learned.

(Warning: If you're not caught up with Gotham, spoilers follow.)

1. There's a Fair Chance Michael Chiklis's Character Is Going to Stick Around
When asked to describe Captain Nathaniel Barnes, the Gotham City Police Department's new, army-trained hard-ass leader, Michael Chiklis chuckled and said, "Oh, he's a real wallflower." Chiklis's first scene as the character was greeted by gasps and applause during a pre-panel sizzle reel. Chiklis's straightforward, earnest comments also suggest Barnes might not be going away at the season's end. "Barnes comes in as a countermeasure to the villainy that is running amok in Gotham," Chiklis said. "And he serves as a mentor to [Gordon]. He's trying to pull [Gordon] out of the muck of ends-justifies-the-means law enforcement."

Even if you don't trust show-runner Bruno Heller to keep Barnes alive by the season's end and/or reveal that Barnes is working for evil philanthropist and mayoral candidate Theo Galavan (James Frain), Chiklis's enthusiasm is refreshing. When asked by a fan what his character would be doing if the show's narrative sped up to ten years in the future, Chiklis joked, "Oh, what leapt into my mind was 'Not dead!'" He added that while Barnes and Gordon do see eye-to-eye on many issues, as Gotham fans will see, Barnes will also butt heads with Gordon. "And as you can see, I have a rather large head."

2. There Will Be More Edward Nygma/Oswald Cobblepot Encounters
One of the more surprising teases from today's panel is Stephens's claim that last season's brief police-station meeting between Edward "the Riddler" Nygma and Oswald Cobblepot was one of the show's most popular. According to Stephens, Wonder Con attendants would not stop mentioning that scene. They also couldn't stop asking Stephens when there would be more where that came from. Actor Cory Michael Smith played coy, and said that Nygma is "clearly obsessed by Cobblepot." Stephens added "[Nygma and Cobblepot] have a rather large story together [coming up]."

3. Barbara Kean and Jim Gordon Might Get Back Together
One of the more unexpected twists that Stephens and actress Erin Richards hinted at is that there's a chance Jim Gordon and ex-fiancée Barbara Kean could potentially get back together. Stephens characterized Jim and Barbara's relationship as having a central "attraction/repulsion" element to it. "Jim feels somewhat responsible for the monster Barbara has become," Stephens said. "That will never go away. Can they find themselves in a non-adversarial relationship? Possibly."

Richards added she loved the "repulsion" aspect to her character, saying that she could tell that was the direction the character was headed in based on Barbara's drinking and drug dependency in season one. "It was such a genius thing to do [with Barbara] because it released her from all of the shackles of her previous self," Richards said. A Barbara-Jim reunion would certainly be surprising given Barbara had an escaped mental patient beat the snot out of Gordon two weeks ago, and chloroformed/publicly tortured Jim's girlfriend Leslie Thompkins at a Thompkins-organized charity event one week ago.

4. The Proto-Joker Might Not Be Dead
Stephens confirmed that "no comment" can often speak volumes when a fan asked him if Jerome Valeska, the Joker-like villain who was murdered at the end of last week's episode, is really dead. "If you watch this season's episodes closely, you'll see seeds of that story growing," Stephens added. "Valeska's death seemed pretty final in last week's episode, what with his corpse winding up in a police morgue after Galavan stabs Valeska in the neck. Still, while teasing is Stephens's job, the fact that he evaded his fan's question did suggest that something is up with Valeska, the man who viewers were led to believe would become the Joker. Valeska did look genuinely shocked when Galavan turned on him last week, and the knife that Galavan used didn't look like a prop.

5. Batman's (Still) Not Becoming Batman Anytime Soon
During the audience Q&A session, Stephens was asked what might happen to the show if its narrative were to launch ahead ten years. Stephens bristled at the suggestion, and made it seem as if that would run counter to what he and Heller were trying to do. "The thing that's so exciting for us on the show is the origin of these people," Stephens said. "That's the story that we're telling. [Skipping ahead ten years] is kind of skipping over what we like most about characters [in the show]." Stephens also squelched fans' speculation that we will, at some point, see Bruce Wayne become Batman since, according to him, Wayne would already be Batman in ten years' time.
 
Penguin did his thing. Slowly accepting who he is (call me penguin) realizing he's the boss (talking to jim ) and now has nothing to lose (that his mother is gone)

Geo dun fucked up.

New Captain must've been bumping Mista don't play on repeat.

Like the task force.

Like the dynamics going on.

Strong episode.

Ms Kringle.
 
How Penguin got that bitch sitting at his table though :smh:

I want to see her against the bald head wild assassin.

She more stealth and he is more in your face reckless.

She'd own him imo. but the same size is probably too little for me to make that assertion

Just love her fine ass and would marry her on the spot right now.
 
Alfred slapping little girls now.

Cat couldn't even climb the fence after.

Like how they changed Bruce's hair

I think they r going to have a really big twist with Butch.

Didn't like the kidnapping Penguin mom angle.

Penguin is great actor and Riddler is slowly stealing the show. Wish they hadn't killed Jerome.

Josie got a great ass

Nobody got the strike team reference?

Wow...they introduced Silver...love of Bruce's life.

They just giving the people they want...comic book villains sex and violence.

Unfortunately the dude playing Gordon ain't the kind of actor to carry a show alone...but they r surrounding him with great actors known and unknown.
 
Wait a minute when someone is dead they always cover the face and head. ..

But they NEVER did that with Jerome.

But DID do it with every other corpse.
 
I think they r going to have a really big twist with Butch.

We been doing weird shit all day was a funny as line.

Didn't like the kidnapping Penguin mom angle.

Really his only weakness. I thought by now he would have killed her himself. Or at least sent the bald head crazy assassin after rich dude.


Nobody got the strike team reference?

Was never a DC fan so no, you would have to explain.
 
Alfred slapping little girls now.

Cat couldn't even climb the fence after.

Like how they changed Bruce's hair

I think they r going to have a really big twist with Butch.

Didn't like the kidnapping Penguin mom angle.

Penguin is great actor and Riddler is slowly stealing the show. Wish they hadn't killed Jerome.

Josie got a great ass

Nobody got the strike team reference?

Wow...they introduced Silver...love of Bruce's life.

They just giving the people they want...comic book villains sex and violence.

Unfortunately the dude playing Gordon ain't the kind of actor to carry a show alone...but they r surrounding him with great actors known and unknown.


First thing I said to my wife when he mentioned strike team, The Shield!
 
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/gothams-camren-bicondova-teases-angry-210006503.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G6yILduOf8


Gotham's Camren Bicondova Teases 'Angry' Selina, Weighs In on That Slap


This Monday on Gotham (Fox, 8/7), Selina Kyle strives to help Bridgit Pike aka Firefly cope with her impetuous roasting of a GCPD officer, as well as get out from under her firebug brothers’ thumb. But is this mission too hot for Cat to handle?

This much is certain: The events of this week’s Selina-centric episode threaten to forever change what is already a highly tenuous connection between her and lawman Jim Gordon. “It is one of my favorites,” says Camren Bicondova, who plays Selina, “but I’m also excited for what future episodes bring.”

Here, the 16-year-old actress/dancer surveys the Cat/Firefly bond, teases a fierce face-off and weighs in on the slap heard ’round the Internet.

TVLINE | Is it safe to say we have only scratched the surface as far as Selina’s bond with Bridgit (played by Michelle Veintimilla)?
Definitely. They have a long history together.

TVLINE | Selina never really puts her neck on the line for anybody. What makes Bridgit different?

Well, Bridgit was one of Selina’s first friends, and I think Selina feels bad for her. She knows that Bridgit has the ability to be a very strong, independent girl, so she wants to help her become that. And Selina doesn’t like seeing anybody, especially a fellow girl, being treated badly — Selina is very passionate about that. She isn’t a very violent person, she doesn’t like being violent. So when it comes to Bridgit, Selina wants to help her be able to live all on her own.

TVLINE | Selina obviously isn’t a “people person,” but would you say she is feeling as alone as ever? Not that she’d ever admit it.
I think so. She’s a teenage girl and even though she acts as if she doesn’t need anybody and she can do things on her own, everybody needs friendship. Whether it’s real friendship or if it’s just someone they can talk to and then brush off, everybody needs relationships. And she’s feeling that loss, especially with Alfred telling her not to talk to Bruce anymore. But Bridgit is helping with that. Bridgit kind of came into her life the moment that she was about to feel the ultimate loss, so I think Bridgit is helping her — as much as Selina is helping Bridgit.

TVLINE | You have a really fantastic scene in this episode opposite Ben McKenzie. Can you talk about that a bit without spoiling it?
Oh, thank you. Selina and Gordon make distinct promises to one another, and in this scene, Gordon gives Selina some very bad news and she gets really angry with him. She’s angry with herself also, because she knew that she shouldn’t have trusted him, a cop. She wishes that she had trusted her instincts. Basically, at the end of the scene you wonder if Gordon and Selina’s relationship still exists.

TVLINE | Does that leave Selina poised to take her darkest turn thus far?
Hmmm…. She definitely goes into a dark space, because at the end of the episode she… feels like she doesn’t have anybody to turn to. But I dont think she’ll go in a necessarily “evil” direction. I think she just needs to figure herself out again and remember what she taught Bridgit about being independent. It’s up to the writers and Im excited to see where they take it!


TVLINE | Now, the week before, did Alfred punch Cat or slap her? (Video above)

OK, Alfred slapped her — but in real life, he did not touch me. I want everybody to know, because people have been really mean to Sean [Pertwee]. No actresses were hurt in the making of that scene. It’s all good!

TVLINE | And storylinewise, you feel it was justified? [Alfred slapped Selina for her role in his Army friend Reggie’s death.]

Yes, I think it made sense. It creates complexity within their relationship, which always makes for good scenes. I dont think Alfred realizes that he and Selina are on the same page as far as what they want for Bruce. Instead, he just sees her as a street thief. I think that they’ll both come around, but it will take time. Like, with my cats, if I forget to feed them one time, they’ll be mad at me. But the moment I feed them they come around and they love me. I feel like it’s the same thing.

TVLINE | What can you tease about whats next for Selina, Bruce and Theo Galavan’s niece, Silver St. Cloud?

At this point in time, I don’t know that Bruce knows Silver or that Silver even exists. But we do meet, eventually. Natalie [Alyn Lind], David [Mazouz] and I have a scene together in an upcoming episode, and while I dont want to say what happens, I will say it’s a little awkward! [Laughs]

TVLINE | Lastly, if I were to point our readers to some video of your professional dancing, which would you choose? The one you’re most proud of, or you yourself love watching….

[After much consideration and Googling] Well, there are three. The older one is Eve and Missy Elliot’s “Wanna Be,” and the choreography is by Nika Kljun and Ana Vodišek. [Warning: language] And then there’s 8 Flavahz’s “No Flex Zone” (embedded below) — that’s from when we were on hiatus. And lastly, there’s “Dedication,” which I dedicated to my father [in the Navy].







<iframe src="" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="">Camren Bicondova | Dedication</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user4104470">Camren Bicondova</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

 
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so Cat does a damn WWE take down gets the shottie and just stands there looking at the van as drives away...slowly?

Doesn't shoot the brother or even the tires?

ok
 
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/gothams-camren-bicondova-teases-angry-210006503.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G6yILduOf8


Gotham's Camren Bicondova Teases 'Angry' Selina, Weighs In on That Slap


This Monday on Gotham (Fox, 8/7), Selina Kyle strives to help Bridgit Pike aka Firefly cope with her impetuous roasting of a GCPD officer, as well as get out from under her firebug brothers’ thumb. But is this mission too hot for Cat to handle?

This much is certain: The events of this week’s Selina-centric episode threaten to forever change what is already a highly tenuous connection between her and lawman Jim Gordon. “It is one of my favorites,” says Camren Bicondova, who plays Selina, “but I’m also excited for what future episodes bring.”

Here, the 16-year-old actress/dancer surveys the Cat/Firefly bond, teases a fierce face-off and weighs in on the slap heard ’round the Internet.

TVLINE | Is it safe to say we have only scratched the surface as far as Selina’s bond with Bridgit (played by Michelle Veintimilla)?
Definitely. They have a long history together.

TVLINE | Selina never really puts her neck on the line for anybody. What makes Bridgit different?

Well, Bridgit was one of Selina’s first friends, and I think Selina feels bad for her. She knows that Bridgit has the ability to be a very strong, independent girl, so she wants to help her become that. And Selina doesn’t like seeing anybody, especially a fellow girl, being treated badly — Selina is very passionate about that. She isn’t a very violent person, she doesn’t like being violent. So when it comes to Bridgit, Selina wants to help her be able to live all on her own.

TVLINE | Selina obviously isn’t a “people person,” but would you say she is feeling as alone as ever? Not that she’d ever admit it.
I think so. She’s a teenage girl and even though she acts as if she doesn’t need anybody and she can do things on her own, everybody needs friendship. Whether it’s real friendship or if it’s just someone they can talk to and then brush off, everybody needs relationships. And she’s feeling that loss, especially with Alfred telling her not to talk to Bruce anymore. But Bridgit is helping with that. Bridgit kind of came into her life the moment that she was about to feel the ultimate loss, so I think Bridgit is helping her — as much as Selina is helping Bridgit.

TVLINE | You have a really fantastic scene in this episode opposite Ben McKenzie. Can you talk about that a bit without spoiling it?
Oh, thank you. Selina and Gordon make distinct promises to one another, and in this scene, Gordon gives Selina some very bad news and she gets really angry with him. She’s angry with herself also, because she knew that she shouldn’t have trusted him, a cop. She wishes that she had trusted her instincts. Basically, at the end of the scene you wonder if Gordon and Selina’s relationship still exists.

TVLINE | Does that leave Selina poised to take her darkest turn thus far?
Hmmm…. She definitely goes into a dark space, because at the end of the episode she… feels like she doesn’t have anybody to turn to. But I dont think she’ll go in a necessarily “evil” direction. I think she just needs to figure herself out again and remember what she taught Bridgit about being independent. It’s up to the writers and Im excited to see where they take it!


TVLINE | Now, the week before, did Alfred punch Cat or slap her? (Video above)

OK, Alfred slapped her — but in real life, he did not touch me. I want everybody to know, because people have been really mean to Sean [Pertwee]. No actresses were hurt in the making of that scene. It’s all good!

TVLINE | And storylinewise, you feel it was justified? [Alfred slapped Selina for her role in his Army friend Reggie’s death.]

Yes, I think it made sense. It creates complexity within their relationship, which always makes for good scenes. I dont think Alfred realizes that he and Selina are on the same page as far as what they want for Bruce. Instead, he just sees her as a street thief. I think that they’ll both come around, but it will take time. Like, with my cats, if I forget to feed them one time, they’ll be mad at me. But the moment I feed them they come around and they love me. I feel like it’s the same thing.

TVLINE | What can you tease about whats next for Selina, Bruce and Theo Galavan’s niece, Silver St. Cloud?

At this point in time, I don’t know that Bruce knows Silver or that Silver even exists. But we do meet, eventually. Natalie [Alyn Lind], David [Mazouz] and I have a scene together in an upcoming episode, and while I dont want to say what happens, I will say it’s a little awkward! [Laughs]

TVLINE | Lastly, if I were to point our readers to some video of your professional dancing, which would you choose? The one you’re most proud of, or you yourself love watching….

[After much consideration and Googling] Well, there are three. The older one is Eve and Missy Elliot’s “Wanna Be,” and the choreography is by Nika Kljun and Ana Vodišek. [Warning: language] And then there’s 8 Flavahz’s “No Flex Zone” (embedded below) — that’s from when we were on hiatus. And lastly, there’s “Dedication,” which I dedicated to my father [in the Navy].

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H63FdiiEKf8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc4i2FUcKLU


<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/132766965" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="https://vimeo.com/132766965">Camren Bicondova | Dedication</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user4104470">Camren Bicondova</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

https://vimeo.com/132766965



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so Cat does a damn WWE take down gets the shottie and just stands there looking at the van as drives away...slowly?

Doesn't shoot the brother or even the tires?

ok

yeah i noticed that too... but other than that it was a good episode


the show is getting better and better
 
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