"Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Keys

[AtlSportsFan]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

well i guess ATL and LA just traded murder stats then.

cuz while shit was peachy (no pun intended) over in atlanta in the 80s,
young black males were getting killed in an ALARMING rate on LA.
the years from 86-89 were the absolute fuckin worst.
the mixture of gangbangers and the drug trade was when LA went staight to hell in a handbasket.
i know first hand,
cuz thats when my moms shipped me down south so i wouldnt get killed in some senseless bullshit like ALOT of my friends did.

and white suburbia wasnt safe either.
gang killings where happening in places like westwood and beverly hills damn near every weekend.
that dope money brought gangstas out the hood,
so they can come to whiteytown and act a fool up there too.

that could be why the murder game in ATL has increased.
the 2nd generation of knuckleheads who defected from LA and NY
are down there been doin their best to be as ni99erish as
possible.

www.rkellyisguilty.com

Fine!

If you think I'm bullshitting you, then ask someone that grew up in Atlanta in the 70s & 80s, ask them did Atlanta have Street Gangs like they do now, I can guarantee you that Atlanta DID NOT have a "Gang Problem" UNTIL GANGSTA RAP went Nationwide starting in the late 80s to early 90s.

And there was very little YOUNG (16-26) Black on Black Murder back in the 70s & 80s in Atlanta, ATLANTA was nothing like LA, DC, Philly, Detroit, New York; Atlanta had a very "Cosmopolitan/suburban feel" to it, even though you had your poor Areas, it was nothing like poor areas in those places I listed above. Atlanta had a real clean, middle class "vibe" that a lot of Big Cities didn't have back then.

Historically, Atlanta was one of the few Southern cities that didn't have race riots and violent confrontations like other Southern Cities, so by the time the 70s hit, Atlanta was one of the few Southern Cities that had a good reputation, and because of that a lot of Fortune 500 Companies chose Atlanta as the place for their Regional/SE Operations and the resulting job market created a lot of opportunities for BOTH Blacks & Whites, combine that with the AUC and the density of Black Colleges in the South that are driving distance to Atlanta, made the city a destination for Educated Blacks, the kind that don't commit stupid ass crimes.

That what made Atlanta what it was for Blacks after the Civil Rights movements of the 60s; Atlanta has never been like those other Cities for Blacks for those reasons, UNTIL RECENTLY, this new generation of Ni66as has fucked up my city horribly. Almost all the folks I grew with in SW Atl, now live out in Cobb Co. or Fayette Co, or Gwinnett Co., hoping that the "transplanted thugs" from other places don't find them.

I'm not the only person from Atl that will tell you this.

 

[tre2k4]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

the brazilian alicia keys
[flash]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/8YdnS97EbAs[/flash]

 

[Costanza]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Though she’s known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton “had the outlets our musicians have today, it’d be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself,” she said.

Nice sentiment. I hope she really tries.

How many goddamn love songs do you need? I think they really do warp people's perspectives, especially teens.

 

[LeftyLuchini]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Dude try to go read something before you talk. This is the dude she is rumored to be dating and he is fairly light skinned.

this dude is also rumored to be a closeted homosexual.
everyone in the industry knows it.

Crucial and Ms Keyes are the modern day Ashford and Simpson.

and if u know about them,
i aint gotta say much else.




www.rkellyisguilty.com

 

[LeftyLuchini]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Fine!

If you think I'm bullshitting you, then ask someone that grew up in Atlanta in the 70s & 80s, ask them did Atlanta have Street Gangs like they do now, I can guarantee you that Atlanta DID NOT have a "Gang Problem" UNTIL GANGSTA RAP went Nationwide starting in the late 80s to early 90s.

And there was very little YOUNG (16-26) Black on Black Murder back in the 70s & 80s in Atlanta, ATLANTA was nothing like LA, DC, Philly, Detroit, New York; Atlanta had a very "Cosmopolitan/suburban feel" to it, even though you had your poor Areas, it was nothing like poor areas in those places I listed above. Atlanta had a real clean, middle class "vibe" that a lot of Big Cities didn't have back then.

Historically, Atlanta was one of the few Southern cities that didn't have race riots and violent confrontations like other Southern Cities, so by the time the 70s hit, Atlanta was one of the few Southern Cities that had a good reputation, and because of that a lot of Fortune 500 Companies chose Atlanta as the place for their Regional/SE Operations and the resulting job market created a lot of opportunities for BOTH Blacks & Whites, combine that with the AUC and the density of Black Colleges in the South that are driving distance to Atlanta, made the city a destination for Educated Blacks, the kind that don't commit stupid ass crimes.

That what made Atlanta what it was for Blacks after the Civil Rights movements of the 60s; Atlanta has never been like those other Cities for Blacks for those reasons, UNTIL RECENTLY, this new generation of Ni66as has fucked up my city horribly. Almost all the folks I grew with in SW Atl, now live out in Cobb Co. or Fayette Co, or Gwinnett Co., hoping that the "transplanted thugs" from other places don't find them.

I'm not the only person from Atl that will tell you this.

dude,
i can tell u didnt read my post,
but just waited for your time to respond.

you u actually READ THE ENTIRE POST this time,
u'll see how much time u wasted writing this shit.



www.rkellyisguilty.com

 

[LSN]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Her comments were rather naive and ignorant and is why a lot of musicians should just shut up and just sing. She can speak when her music and overall message is something different.

Where does she think those AK-47...which are russian military assault rifles in 60's, came from? What's the purpose?

Gangsta rap was the result of what was happening in the streets. Black people had already been turned upside down from the contelpro and fbi in the 60's.

I agree. Her heart may be in the right place, but her comments are inaccurate and irresponsible.

 

[lojikal1]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Gangsta rap ORIGINATED as Chuck D. described; "the Black CNN"... WAKE UP, BITCHES, BECAUSE THAT WAS YEARS AGO!!! We know what the Black plight looks like now. The portion of American society that ignored now sees it everyday... and guess what?!? They think it's a joke. Rappers are talking the same ol' shit. Pop ish, sell ish, push ish, buy ish... STFU!!! Stop reporting and starting criticizing!!! Start supplying solutions!!! Alicia Keys is right... our youth are being fed a diet of BS and most of y'all that are dissin't her support the music and lifestyle around it! I live in Chicago where we've had TWENTY FOUR deaths IN SCHOOLS this year!!! We've got to change our perspective... most of this rap shit is devilish... FUCK YOU IF YOU DISAGREE!

 

[absolutvodka]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

do you know how many little kids are gone end up gay listening to the music on the airwaves now.

 

[RedBengal]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HzeZhCt5PVA&feature=related

 

[water]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Absolutely.

The point that jumps out at me is how quickly everyone is eager to point out that inner city violence has existed prior to gangsta rap's existence. I don't believe that is part of the argument. Rather it is suggesting rightly that the social instability that was already in place may have been supplemented by a mutually exclusive but correlated cultural stimulus. Gangs and drugs have always had a presence but to argue the explosive increases in the late 70's-mid 80's as a factor of chance or in a word "dumb n*ggas' own mistakes" only plays into the mindset that we deserve the attributed misery since we so obviously created and maintain it. As previously mentioned a lot of the turmoil of the 80's was the backlash of the attack on the black solidarity of the 70's (brilliantly exposed on HBO's "Bastards of the Party). If you want to commit arson on a structure that is already a fire hazard it doesn't take much creativity to introduce elements that can produce "relatively" spontaneous combustion. So many of you who are programmed to think one dimensionally fail to realize that white folks have been socially engineering us in this country likely before slavery. So for some of us if we don't see a match and gas can we look elsewhere....usually inwards.

"The game they're running on you they developed on your daddy and me. Y'all are just the next phase."
-Drop Squad

Props to Ms. Keys. Not many mainstream artists will even attempt to address the issue and when they do are often dismissed as immature and personally ridiculed as shown here. Such a shame.

Who is this, Obama????


Thank you Bro...........

 

[Costanza]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

I'm going to try to check out that Bastards of the Party.

 

[Sah S!NCere]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

I'm going to try to check out that Bastards of the Party.

its worth your time...

 

[big pimp]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

She's right.

Reminds me of the story of Eazy-E being invited to the Republican National convention and meeting with the Ronald Reagan administration right before or while the most popular form of West Coast Gangsta rap was being created. I'm glad she has the heart to speak on it.

www.slapthatbooty.com

 

[Temujin]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Poverty causes crime period. Not music not clothes not language poverty. It's been that way since the begining of time and it will always be that way. Rich black children listen to rap just as much as poor black children. Why are the rates of violence higher. Poverty. Why are children killing adults with machete in darfur poverty. This shit is not rocket science its social science. The rationality or seeming lack there of in the incidence of youth violence goes back to the stresses of poverty in high density environments. The lack of family structure is caused by poverty, the lack of education is caused and results in poverty. Poor people poor schools poor jobs poor decisions.

Black youth culture will always be the predominant culture in America. The poverty of our people is why the music is violent. Poor people grow up in violent environments and create violent art. That's natural and beautiful and should be respected. Don't expect our artists to be social leaders our intellectuals should be our social leaders. Alicia is an artist and should stay in her lane she can accomplish more through her music than through her commentary.

 

[360KNOWLEDGE]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

not to argue with u homie,
cuz i do agree NWA was an act (and a very good one at that).
the fuckouttahere.
from the sound of it,
u are OBVIOUSLY not from LA.

cuz if u were,
u would know THERE ARE NO upper middle class neighborhoods in Compton,
black, white, or brown.
the only upper black middle class area in LA PERIOD is Baldwin, Windsor Hills, and View Park [which is STILL surrounded by the hood from every angle].
hell, even Ladera aint really black,
since its more populated by interracial families than anything.

we get it mayne. they werent hardcore gangstas.
but stop tryin to make them out to be like they were NSYNC or something.



www.rkellyisguilty.com

Obviously, you aint from LA, Lefty. There ARE some upper middle class areas in the Compton (Alondra and Avalon) area. There are farms, YES FARMS in the parts of the CPT, too. Some homes in Compton run 700 K, some more, so I dont know what you're talking about, Broham.

 

[Rick Ronson]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Who gives a fuck?


There is some real shit going on RIGHT NOW.

 

[blakheart]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24074067/

There’s another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist.

The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: “‘Gangsta rap’ was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. ‘Gangsta rap’ didn’t exist.”
Keys, 27, said she’s read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck “to symbolize strength, power and killing ’em dead,” according to an interview in the magazine’s May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.

Another of her theories: That the bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled “by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing.”

Keys’ AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: “She wears what? That doesn’t sound like Alicia.” Keys’ publicist, Theola Borden, said Keys was on vacation and unavailable for comment.

Though she’s known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton “had the outlets our musicians have today, it’d be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself,” she said.

The multiplatinum songstress behind the hits “Fallin”’ and “No One” most recently had success with her latest CD, “As I Am,” which sold millions.

Damn Alicia that sounds pretty fucking dumb

 

[blakheart]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

LOL!

I got to agree with you on Tupac.
Before that dude died he was a silly little dancing rapper. Running around in his boxers jumping over tennis court nets.

The AK for many symboilizes anti American establishment. When 3rd world countries would fight against the US, they could only get weapons for the soviets.

At the end of the day though, I dont think an intelligent person should wear a gun around their neck, in my opinion.

I agree its supposed to go on your hip or slung under your arm

 

[RBGrider]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Bi Racial is a retarded ass backwards bullshit term. All black americans are Bi, Tri, and Quad Racial. In America Alicia Keyes is a BLACK WOMAN. Don't matter that her mom looks like the Stay Puft Marshmello. Don't nobody give a fuck about that. She's black. I've seen Niggas who have jet black parents come out lighter than Alicia Keys. I know just as many "Dark Skinned" blacks just as militant. What is it with you Color Struck Coons. As if the color of your skin justifies how much you can complain about. Fuckin simps. I guess Malcolm X should have shut the fuck up. COON ASS NIGGAS

Some willie lynch type shit to the fullest goin on up in here.

 

[Big Preme]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

I'm not feeling the rap statement. Then again I say dumb shit every once in a while so I can't fault her for that.

 

[LeftyLuchini]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Obviously, you aint from LA, Lefty. There ARE some upper middle class areas in the Compton (Alondra and Avalon) area. There are farms, YES FARMS in the parts of the CPT, too. Some homes in Compton run 700 K, some more, so I dont know what you're talking about, Broham.

i am from LA homie.
born and raised in Inglewood,
got OG fam from Grape Street,
to Campanella Park,
to Harlem 30s.
and its all love.

and the area u talkin is in RANCHO DOMINQUEZ,
not COMPTON.
its more actually adjacent to Carson/LA City than Compton.

now i ant gonna lie and say there aint no nice areas in Compton.

but u stretching too far by callin any part of Compton "upper" middle class.

upper middle class is bein one step from bein rich dog.

Carson aint even upper middle class no more (at least most of it aint.)

and regardless,
none of them NWA niggas came from "upper middle class" homes.

they came from good family structures (eazy included),
but not upper middle class.


www.rkellyisguilty.com

 

[Warrior 7]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/-v-rIWUAQuI[/FLASH]

 

[Blu Diablo]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

Context is a powerful tool and understanding it well....

 

[dasmybikepunk]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

She's young and not very convincing but I applaud her willingness to say what's on her mind...

but I must admit a lot of repliers here don't or can't read between lines.

The Game is to be SOLD not TOLD!

 

[spicykjun]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

there is sum truth to wut she speaks the older cats kno the younger cats jus to hard headed right now to realize and me im jus too lazy to get n2 a detailed explanation jus remember peer pressure and idolizing those who dont deserve to b idols

 

[destrehan]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

all the dudes callin her a dumb bitch make me sad. yall must not understand a fucking thing about the conditioning that the media was designed to perform on the masses. g-rap is not and was never the impetus for the senseless violence and culture of ignorance that has engulfed our people in this country. but it WAS the tool used to exacerbate this problem and make it spread further. you have kids who haven't been through SHIT that believe they are thugs due to listening to g-rap and watching the videos. they want to imitate what they hear and see. and it's because of a lack of parental guidance and/or proper role models in their communities. but it doesn't even matter anymore. the writing is on the wall and this society has run its course. the experiment is just about over and we all are going to the next class.

 

[mcboob]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

not to argue with u homie,
cuz i do agree NWA was an act (and a very good one at that).
the fuckouttahere.
from the sound of it,
u are OBVIOUSLY not from LA.

cuz if u were,
u would know THERE ARE NO upper middle class neighborhoods in Compton,
black, white, or brown.
the only upper black middle class area in LA PERIOD is Baldwin, Windsor Hills, and View Park [which is STILL surrounded by the hood from every angle].
hell, even Ladera aint really black,
since its more populated by interracial families than anything.

we get it mayne. they werent hardcore gangstas.
but stop tryin to make them out to be like they were NSYNC or something.



www.rkellyisguilty.com

Yo
I lost it with
"we get it mayne. they werent hardcore gangstas.
but stop tryin to make them out to be like they were NSYNC or something."

LOL!!!!

i didnt go that far!
NYSNC???
LOL!

I actually live in LA, I hear you.

Wealth/poverty can be a relative thing.
When I first came to LA I saw houses in compton with yards, swing sets, satellite dishes, mercedes. Im not saying its beverly hills, but where I come from, you have a front yard, you made it.

______________________________________________________

we can agree that NWA was an excellent act.
In the words of my man Kool Keith from "little girls"

"Tommy, didn't I raise you to go to Catholic school?
But mom, I gotta keep this up, this is all a front
This is just gimmicks to sell my records
The people don't have to know
I mean really, that's just me, even though we're soft
Me and my friends all of us
We just make money, that's all, it's a gimmick"

 

[destrehan]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

all the dudes callin her a dumb bitch make me sad. yall must not understand a fucking thing about the conditioning that the media was designed to perform on the masses. g-rap is not and was never the impetus for the senseless violence and culture of ignorance that has engulfed our people in this country. but it WAS the tool used to exacerbate this problem and make it spread further. you have kids who haven't been through SHIT that believe they are thugs due to listening to g-rap and watching the videos. they want to imitate what they hear and see. and it's because of a lack of parental guidance and/or proper role models in their communities. but it doesn't even matter anymore. the writing is on the wall and this society has run its course. the experiment is just about over and we all are going to the next class.

i want a fuckin response from the niggas who don't think this music had an influence on millions of black kids' minds.

 

[tre2k4]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke

I know yall hear these kids recite these lines all the time but dont know the square root of 81 without using a calculator

 

[Costanza]

Though she’s known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton “had the outlets our musicians have today, it’d be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself,” she said.

Nice sentiment. I hope she really tries.

How many goddamn love songs do you need? I think they really do warp people's perspectives, especially teens.

Huey Newton 83rd birthday bump

 

[WattDogs]

Re: "Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other." - Alicia Ke



this dude is also rumored to be a closeted homosexual.
everyone in the industry knows it.

Crucial and Ms Keyes are the modern day Ashford and Simpson.

and if u know about them,
i aint gotta say much else.




www.rkellyisguilty.com

Yeah....Ima need some more details on this one....

 

[easy_b]

Listen, I did enjoy gangster rap, but it canceled out groups like Public Enemy and X-Clan and conscious rap during the 90s. This is why Kendrick Lamar currently is refreshing to hear.