Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

For sure. I actually think they'll be more successful than Danyerys was. That's not really a stretch though, Tyrion is the most intelligent person on the show and Varys is one of the most savvy

I'd love for them to whip that place into shape. Dany gets back and is like damn... i didn't know SHIT!

Tyrion and Varys working shit? And Greyworm enforcing shit? MAN!

 

[Nobody]

thanks...dude was king in his part of wherever he from...but he was THE KING only in his mind...I heard someone else say heavy is the head who wears the crown in response to what he did to shireen except he ain't worn THE CROWN yet...and his decision was born out of selfishness bcuz he felt it was his right/destiny to succeed robert...I could be wrong but I don't once recall him saying he was doing it for the betterment of the 7 kingdoms...it was a last ditch DESPERATE move to secure what he felt was rightfully his @ the urging of a witch...very poor "play" on his part...and cats called it before we saw the outcome...dude burned his daughter @ the stake in front of his entire army based on a damn psychic vision

"heavy is the head that wears the crown"

that's an expression. the crown doesn't have to be a literal crown. I'm sure you understand that. the point is, he had enough people to almost take over king's landing and to be a legit threat.

he had to make decisions not just for his family, but for everyone following him.

he had already seen the power of the red god and he had faith it would work out.

the thing is it may have still been successful, only not for him. melisandre realizes that when his men mutiny and heads back to castle black.

judging by her speed in returning it wouldn't be possible if Stannis hadn't sacrificed his daughter, reducing the snow in the north making her journey easy.

it hasn't happened yet, but if she plays a part in reviving jon snow then Stannis would've made the right call as he's the only other person who takes the threat of winter coming very seriously.

 

[Nobody]

I'd love for them to whip that place into shape. Dany gets back and is like damn... i didn't know SHIT!

Tyrion and Varys working shit? And Greyworm enforcing shit? MAN!

She had to get away from Mereen. Thats the thing with leadership. True leadership is not just inspiring the people, but it's inspiring very powerful people in order to lead.

In the end, her character couldn't do another season at Mereen. Her storyline bored me to tears so hopefully now it'll get shaken up a bit

 

[LSN]

dude who made the comment meant it literally

literal or not tho...my point remains the same...his push to become king was more so about him and his own stubborn will...he wasn't sacrificing his daughter for his followers...you can believe that if you want to...when he was willing to march his men to their death pretty much for the sake of pride...refusing to turn back despite warnings and the urging of those more familiar w/ battle than melisandre...but he wanted so desperately to believe in melisandre and her vision of him becoming king that he ignored all reason...cats have been talking about it for weeks leading up to last nite's events about how stannis foolishly marches on even tho the witch's visions and sacrifices have failed him @ every turn...I've typed way more than I wanted to...I wanted to say 'thank you' to dude and just leave it @ that...stannis is a mad man possessed/obsessed w/ this fire lord nonsense or w/e it is the chic worships...please point me to any evidence that shows he's doing this for a noble cause/just reason that benefits the kingdom or even just for the sake of his own men/people for that matter...stannis' decisions are for him and him only...please tell me what other "cause" he has that forces him to make such a desperate move to win the battle @ winterfell...shit I'd even argue that that chic probably had him under a spell but that's some whole other shit right there

"heavy is the head that wears the crown"

that's an expression. the crown doesn't have to be a literal crown. I'm sure you understand that. the point is, he had enough people to almost take over king's landing and to be a legit threat.

he had to make decisions not just for his family, but for everyone following him.

he had already seen the power of the red god and he had faith it would work out.

the thing is it may have still been successful, only not for him. melisandre realizes that when his men mutiny and heads back to castle black.

judging by her speed in returning it wouldn't be possible if Stannis hadn't sacrificed his daughter, reducing the snow in the north making her journey easy.

it hasn't happened yet, but if she plays a part in reviving jon snow then Stannis would've made the right call as he's the only other person who takes the threat of winter coming very seriously.

 

[Nobody]

When did i miss he was a King? From everything I've seen he made a claim to the position and as of yet isn't universally recognized as "The KING!"

Also, keep on talking yourself into he had a hard decision to make and presumably he made the only play he could make. The lesson has been given and yet the students still don't get it.

Any presumed King that would kill his own is a King to no one!

Also, least we forget it was his decisions, the "KINGS" decisions that placed him and his army in those precarious position time after time! But lets continue to pretend like he's some great "King" that made sound decisions and just got screwed into terrible outcomes...


Further, I might add, if the decision was so sound why did he feel the need to send Sr.Davos away? Huh? Surely someone as loyal as him to "King" Stannis and his cause could see the "no choice" strategy you've humble embraced that "King" Stannis had to make.

Stannis gets NO DAP!

If you think every decision that was "correct" for the greater good would always have everyone on board then you have a lot to learn about the world.

Sometimes the "right" (it's a matter of perspective as it was the wrong decision to make as a father, but logically the right decision to make with the information they had at the time - the men who fled were able to flee because of the sacrifice, ironic or no?) decision is a difficult decision that many cannot agree upon.

His biggest mistake was that he bought into the belief that he was a man of destiny due to his faith in the red god. THAT is why his moves became more erratic. Turns out Melisandre was mistaken.

 

[Nobody]

dude who made the comment meant it literally

It's still an expression. It's in reference to the tough choices one has to make as a leader, not the actual weight of a physical crown.

Anyone who means it as such or takes it as such is a fucking idiot.

 

[tuckdog]

all of them stayed behind. all of them.

yup fuck em. if jon don't come back let the white walkers engulf them all. don't even bring them back. make a new wall out of their bones.

 

[LSN]

It's in reference to the tough choices one has to make as a leader, not the actual weight of a physical crown.

cute

the dude who said it meant it literally in that stannis was the king of the 7 kingdoms...stannis' quest for the crown imo was not so heavy a burden that he had to burn his daughter @ the stake based on a vision...get it? again as I asked in that post what is his cause and to who's benefit was it that it requires him to make such a drastic horrible decision? it was a self-serving decision...not some noble sacrifice he had to make to save the kingdom or even his own ppl/followers for that matter...and as ppl predicted and we have seen this past ep...that desperate decision did more to harm his ppl and their faith in him...I understand quite well what the expression means...but I don't think killing your daughter for your own selfish gains qualifies under that

 

[Nobody]

cute

the dude who said it meant it literally in that stannis was the king of the 7 kingdoms...stannis' quest for the crown imo was not so heavy a burden that he had to burn his daughter @ the stake based on a vision...get it? again as I asked in that post what is his cause and to who's benefit was it that it requires him to make such a drastic horrible decision? it was a self-serving decision...not some noble sacrifice he had to make to save the kingdom or even his own ppl/followers for that matter...and as ppl predicted and we have seen this past ep...that desperate decision did more to harm his ppl and their faith in him...I understand quite well what the expression means...but I don't think killing your daughter for your own selfish gains qualifies under that

I really hope you knew that shit.

Don't forget the second part though...

 

[LSN]

I really hope you knew that shit.

Don't forget the second part though...

don't forget the questions I posted tho...what greater good was stannis fighting for on behalf of his followers? what was this heavy burden he was faced w/ that required him to sacrifice his daughter? this selfish fanatic made a mad dash for the crown and failed miserably...nothing more nothing less...when I think of "heavy is the crown..." I think of someone not just thinking of themselves but thinking of all the ppl they are responsible for protecting feeding w/e their role as leader requires...stannis was the exact opposite of that tho...he ignored EVERYONE but that witch...I mean literally EVERYONE just bcuz he thought the crown was his...and I understand that desire but not @ the sacrifice of his own daughter for one battle... the only thing heavy on that nigga head right now is a dunce cap

 

[silentking]

don't forget the questions I posted tho...what greater good was stannis fighting for on behalf of his followers? what was this heavy burden he was faced w/ that required him to sacrifice his daughter? this selfish fanatic made a mad dash for the crown and failed miserably...nothing more nothing less...when I think of "heavy is the crown..." I think of someone not just thinking of themselves but thinking of all the ppl they are responsible for protecting feeding w/e their role as leader requires...stannis was the exact opposite of that tho...he ignored EVERYONE but that witch...I mean literally EVERYONE just bcuz he thought the crown was his...and I understand that desire but not @ the sacrifice of his own daughter for one battle... the only thing heavy on that nigga head right now is a dunce cap

I gotta go wit Leroy on this. Stanis' motivations were less noble than made out to be. He made choices like his daughter or the whole army....but to what end? Just to see him on the throne. He wanted power for power's sake...and that never goes well. The irony is that... of the cats vying for the throne, he was probably the most fit to lead...Dany's motivations are probably more pure but she's proven to be a kinda suck ass leader. Another reason Im looking forward to seeing what the governing council in Mereen can do.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

She had to get away from Mereen. Thats the thing with leadership. True leadership is not just inspiring the people, but it's inspiring very powerful people in order to lead.

In the end, her character couldn't do another season at Mereen. Her storyline bored me to tears so hopefully now it'll get shaken up a bit

I liked her failing/flailing in Mereen. I liked her making mistakes and fucking up and not knowing who to trust. And being abandoned. Loved it.

But i know i'll love Tyrion MORE.

 

[LSN]

I was w/ stannis up til a point...I might have to go back and watch...but @ some point dude lost complete sight of everything...and it just became a desperate obsession...but none of the decisions he made was reflective of him carrying the problems of the ppl on his shoulders and looking to make moves for their sake..."heavy is the head..." applies more so to daeny and what she's going thru...and def jon...but stannis just became a fool possessed...I actually hope he lives so he can suffer a lil more w/ the death of his wife and him suffering that humiliating defeat...just to have his life spared by brienne

I gotta go wit Leroy on this. Stanis' motivations were less noble than made out to be. He made choices like his daughter or the whole army....but to what end? Just to see him on the throne. He wanted power for power's sake...and that never goes well. The irony is that... of the cats vying for the throne, he was probably the most fit to lead...Dany's motivations are probably more pure but she's proven to be a kinda suck ass leader. Another reason Im looking forward to seeing what the governing council in Mereen can do.

 

[SamSneed]

if I was in that world

Fuck honor.

Fuck what's right

Get money and fuck bitches

 

[Simply Sickenin']

c`mon simply...
a tv show with dragons , walking dead people, people dying & coming back to life, witches & giants & u cant believe somebody living after jumping off the top of a wall........
and yeah there is a reason they didnt show the outcome because one or both survived the jump...

Fair enough
Doubt I still like the idea of her and Reek choosing to end their lives. They didn't have much to do besides wait for Ramsay to get bored and kill them. At least this way, death was their choice.​

1. So how does she avoid being gang raped / enslaved right now?
2. When you have a bad ass dragon on your side, do you know what you don't do. Even if the dragon is a little injured and tired .... walk away from him and go into a open field. ​

I don't fault the kid. If I watched people kill and eat my parents and everyone I knew,I wouldn't squash beef either.

Exactly. I don't fault Olly at all.

I don't fault Ollie for not being able to let that shit go. I do fault him for helping to set Jon up though. If Ollie got so much angry towards the free folks then he should have did something to them. Aren't most of them held up at Castle Black right now anyway. Poison their food, set the part of the castle that they're staying in on fire. Do something to the people who hurt you instead of turning your back on your commander and friend.
So yeah .... Fuck Ollie. ​

A full fight scene between the Boltons and the Baratheons would've been a great season finale.

That would have been nice, but they probably didn't do it because they just had a epic battle 2 episodes ago. They wouldn't have been able to top or even match Hardhome. Especially not if the budget was gone .... looking at you horrible Dany riding Drogon CG from last week. ​

So nobody thought that how Stannis went out was kinda gangsta though? Facing an army 3 times larger than his? He says fuck it... raises his sword?

I thought Stannis went out like a G, but after burning his little girl alive last week, I simply have no fucks to give about his continued quest for the throne. It was a cool death scene though. I hope that they don't fuck it up by having him still be alive next season.
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I think next season Cersei going full beast-bitch mode

Yup!!!!
Especially with Frankenstein-Mountain behind her. People like her don't get humbled until they're on their death bed and they're trying to get right with the Lord.
High Sparrow and that one silent sister better grow eyes in the back of their heads. ​

Wonder what will become of arya? Maybe she'll just grab a different face.
The Starks are a cursed fuckin family.

Theon & Sansa are on the move and Arya is now blind.

The only thing that can save Ayra's story line right now is making her into a Matt Murdock blind ninja badass.
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they'll actually have a government for once lol. dany wasn't doing shit but reacting to problems. these people will think ahead and prevent them.

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Another point as to why jon isn't gone - the staredown with the night's king.
If Jon truly dies, that entire scene is useless. All the weight of that scene is reduced to nothing. They certainly won't do that.

As someone else has already stated, trying to guess what's going to happen on this how based on how other shows work is a fool's game.
I think George RR Martin could and would kill off Jon just because he can, but I think that would be a bad idea.
They should bring him back and then have him continue to led. So you have the lord commander who died, saw the other side, and was brought back to life going head-to-head with the army of dead men.

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[Nobody]

I gotta go wit Leroy on this. Stanis' motivations were less noble than made out to be. He made choices like his daughter or the whole army....but to what end? Just to see him on the throne. He wanted power for power's sake...and that never goes well. The irony is that... of the cats vying for the throne, he was probably the most fit to lead...Dany's motivations are probably more pure but she's proven to be a kinda suck ass leader. Another reason Im looking forward to seeing what the governing council in Mereen can do.

I was w/ stannis up til a point...I might have to go back and watch...but @ some point dude lost complete sight of everything...and it just became a desperate obsession...but none of the decisions he made was reflective of him carrying the problems of the ppl on his shoulders and looking to make moves for their sake..."heavy is the head..." applies more so to daeny and what she's going thru...and def jon...but stannis just became a fool possessed...I actually hope he lives so he can suffer a lil more w/ the death of his wife and him suffering that humiliating defeat...just to have his life spared by brianne

I never said they were noble.

But in making the decision he had to make with the options given...

hence, heavy is the head...

because as the "king" he had to make the decision.

it's not about nobility. simply being the one who has to make such a difficult decision to accomplish something

that saying applies to anyone who is leading a group of people. remember stannis' major motivation was that robert's children were illegitimate and that he was the only one capable of mounting a defense against the white walkers

 

[LSN]

if I was in that world

Fuck honor.

Fuck what's right

Get money and fuck bitches

you'd have bitches shooting dragon glass anal beads out they ass

 

[silentking]

I was w/ stannis up til a point...I might have to go back and watch...but @ some point dude lost complete sight of everything...and it just became a desperate obsession...but none of the decisions he made was reflective of him carrying the problems of the ppl on his shoulders and looking to make moves for their sake..."heavy is the head..." applies more so to daeny and what she's going thru...and def jon...but stannis just became a fool possessed...I actually hope he lives so he can suffer a lil more w/ the death of his wife and him suffering that humiliating defeat...just to have his life spared by brianne

Its almost like...if Stanis himself was a better man..Melissandre's magic might have worked better. She goes for ROYAL blood....she thought he had it...but really only by his claim and his ability to back that claim, which proved to be <<<. Soon as his dude told him half the troops left...you saw her face...she ran the numbers real quick in her head and made the calculation....nothing left here...and she made her way quickly to where Jon Snow was. Definitely not coincidence.

 

[SamSneed]

you'd have bitches shooting dragon glass anal beads out they ass

Fuck the many face God

We only know the many gape God

 

[LSN]

you're looking to argue small shit...if he's making decisions not based on his family but on the greater good of everyone I say that's noble...if you don't think that's noble then fine...but again...the head is heavy bcuz he's making decisions that should seek to benefit more than just him and those close to him...that's what the expression means to me...what was his end goal other than just claiming the crown due to it being "rightfully" his? simply chasing after the crown just doesn't measure up to that statement imo...maybe it's you who has forgotten or unsure of what the expression means...stannis was IGNORING his ppl and most of his responsibilities in his mad pursuit of THE CROWN...and no I don't mean the gold that actually goes on his head but joffrey/now tommen's seat @ the iron throne...and the power of the 7 kingdoms that comes w/ it...dude's head was only heavy from his maddening thoughts...like burning his fucking daughter

I never said they were noble.

But in making the decision he had to make with the options given...

hence, heavy is the head...

because as the "king" he had to make the decision.

it's not about nobility. simply being the one who has to make such a difficult decision to accomplish something

that saying applies to anyone who is leading a group of people. remember stannis' major motivation was that robert's children were illegitimate and that he was the only one capable of mounting a defense against the white walkers

 

[crossovernegro]

Nah.... what he did wasn't even kingly (if that's a word). Marrying a daughter off to a hated rival family to join the bloodlines... ok sure... but burning your innocent 10 year old daughter alive at the urging of a witch to help you get the throne that you believe is yours? That's just fucked up, and half his men knew it... and his crazy ass wife knew it... and even he knew it.

People won't get it. He's a father, yes, but he's the KING.

That comes with hard choices, and in the end he didn't really have a play.

If he doesn't sacrifice his daughter, everyone dies anyway as they didn't have the resources to go back or go forward. He could've sent his daughter ahead, but as the King he would have to travel with the group - he'd have been done for.

It's easy to say what he did was monstrous, but again as the King he can't think about his family alone, but for his troops, for the war and what he's fighting for, and what it all means.

 

[LSN]

I almost feel somewhat sorry for him bcuz I don't think dude was himself fucking w/ that chic...sacrificing your daughter behind a witch's vision that you would win a battle...for lack of a better way of phrasing it...that simply isn't some king type shit

Its almost like...if Stanis himself was a better man..Melissandre's magic might have worked better. She goes for ROYAL blood....she thought he had it...but really only by his claim and his ability to back that claim, which proved to be <<<. Soon as his dude told him half the troops left...you saw her face...she ran the numbers real quick in her head and made the calculation....nothing left here...and she made her way quickly to where Jon Snow was. Definitely not coincidence.

 

[LSN]

Fuck the many face God

We only know the many gape God

westeros look wild as shit...pretty sure you'd have some followers shit that shit might be tame compared to all the other shit going on

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Nah.... what he did wasn't even kingly (if that's a word). Marrying a daughter off to a hated rival family to join the bloodlines... ok sure... but burning your innocent 10 year old daughter alive at the urging of a witch to help you get the throne that you believe is yours? That's just fucked up, and half his men knew it... and his crazy ass wife knew it... and even he knew it.

Naw,the wife waited to the very last minute to show her displeasure,all those other times,she treated Shireen like shit and even went along with Melisandre sleeping with her husband...so fuck her...


Davos was the only person,who thought it was a bad idea to take Shireen along,but of course Stannis didn't want to listen.

 

[LSN]

Davos was the only person,who thought it was a bad idea to take Shireen along,but of course Stannis didn't want to listen.

I'm wondering if davos will really find out what happened...he wouldn't hesitate to kill that chic if he does

 

[Nobody]

I almost feel somewhat sorry for him bcuz I don't think dude was himself fucking w/ that chic...sacrificing your daughter behind a witch's vision that you would win a battle...for lack of a better way of phrasing it...that simply isn't some king type shit

so now people are trying to talk about what actions are that of kings and what isn't?

none of that shit really means anything.

he's their king. he has been given his options. he makes a tough decision based upon those options.

that's it. All the rest is semantics, because unless you've been a king yourself, no one can really say what is kingly or what isn't.

 

[Nobody]

you're looking to argue small shit...if he's making decisions not based on his family but on the greater good of everyone I say that's noble...if you don't think that's noble then fine...but again...the head is heavy bcuz he's making decisions that should seek to benefit more than just him and those close to him...that's what the expression means to me...what was his end goal other than just claiming the crown due to it being "rightfully" his? simply chasing after the crown just doesn't measure up to that statement imo...maybe it's you who has forgotten or unsure of what the expression means...stannis was IGNORING his ppl and most of his responsibilities in his mad pursuit of THE CROWN...and no I don't mean the gold that actually goes on his head but joffrey/now tommen's seat @ the iron throne...and the power of the 7 kingdoms that comes w/ it...dude's head was only heavy from his maddening thoughts...like burning his fucking daughter

Extenuating circumstances.

Just keep it right at the moment he had to make the decision.

At that point in time it was a simple decision of life and death. That's all. When you get to that point its simply about that decision at that time. It''s not about his motivations or intentions. The tough decision is - everyone dies there from the cold and lack of food, or you sacrifice your daughter and move forward.

There was no going forward or back at that point. What choice would you have made? You'd have told Melisandre to fuck off and then what? Die in the snow? I somehow doubt that. Seems most people would sacrifice their daughter and not have the balls to witness it as he did.

 

[silentking]

Extenuating circumstances.

Just keep it right at the moment he had to make the decision.

At that point in time it was a simple decision of life and death. That's all. When you get to that point its simply about that decision at that time. It''s not about his motivations or intentions. The tough decision is - everyone dies there from the cold and lack of food, or you sacrifice your daughter and move forward.

There was no going forward or back at that point. What choice would you have made? You'd have told Melisandre to fuck off and then what? Die in the snow? I somehow doubt that. Seems most people would sacrifice their daughter and not have the balls to witness it as he did.

I think the part you're missing is that his followers came to see that he went too far. There's a point where they cease to see the end of Stanis on the throne justifying the means...mainly burning his daughter alive. The very people he made the "hard decision" for were like fuck this nigga...they jetted. Because they realized dude was clearly out for power at all costs. Thats not and never has been a "noble" or "kingly" trait.

 

[Madrox]

na madrox is right...she reluctantly let him hit so he could plead on her behalf to the senate...she killed him when he played her and basically called her a slut...she got infuriated behind that...I've always hated the characters lena headey have played since on the strength of that one role...she wasn't so much as mad about him talking advantage of her as she was that he didn't follow thru on his promise and embarrassed her...a lot of her roles have me thinking she's a bitch in real life...might be the sweetest woman for all I know

..You know what? She might just be!

if I was in that world

Fuck honor.

Fuck what's right

Get money and fuck bitches

"Bronn Agrees.."

 

[Nobody]

I think the part you're missing is that his followers came to see that he went too far. There's a point where they cease to see the end of Stanis on the throne justifying the means...mainly burning his daughter alive. The very people he made the "hard decision" for were like fuck this nigga...they jetted. Because they realized dude was clearly out for power at all costs. Thats not and never has been a "noble" or "kingly" trait.

No. Because I agree with it.

Im speaking solely on the decision itself, not the fall out of it. Im not missing that part because it's not a part of my argument. They saw a man willing to sacrifice his own daughter, so what would he do of them?

 

[BlkStrength]

Extenuating circumstances.

Just keep it right at the moment he had to make the decision.

At that point in time it was a simple decision of life and death. That's all. When you get to that point its simply about that decision at that time. It''s not about his motivations or intentions. The tough decision is - everyone dies there from the cold and lack of food, or you sacrifice your daughter and move forward.

There was no going forward or back at that point. What choice would you have made? You'd have told Melisandre to fuck off and then what? Die in the snow? I somehow doubt that. Seems most people would sacrifice their daughter and not have the balls to witness it as he did.

No one in their right man would respect any man who makes a decision like that. And the truth of the matter is, he actually was the rightful heir. But deserves got nothing to do with it. He deserves a beheading for that fuckery.

 

[Nobody]

No one in their right man would respect any man who makes a decision like that. And the truth of the matter is, he actually was the rightful heir. But deserves got nothing to do with it. He deserves a beheading for that fuckery.

I agree. Still not the point of my argument.

 

[tical]

If you think every decision that was "correct" for the greater good would always have everyone on board then you have a lot to learn about the world.

Sometimes the "right" (it's a matter of perspective as it was the wrong decision to make as a father, but logically the right decision to make with the information they had at the time - the men who fled were able to flee because of the sacrifice, ironic or no?) decision is a difficult decision that many cannot agree upon.

His biggest mistake was that he bought into the belief that he was a man of destiny due to his faith in the red god. THAT is why his moves became more erratic. Turns out Melisandre was mistaken.

So an idiot drives himself and his company into precarious inches of snow in the dead of winter, gets stuck, dies and now somehow it becomes everyone else fault except for the self proclaimed driver/navigator?

Righhhhhht!

Stannis is NOT a tragic figure (He's not great but is destined for a hell of a fall). Hes a gotdamn coward, punk, child burner idiot!

 

[kidmegaii]

I'm wondering if davos will really find out what happened...he wouldn't hesitate to kill that chic if he does

He already tried to poison the bitch and that shit didn't work.

 

[kidmegaii]

I convinced Melisandre is based on a Haitian woman. Bomb pussy and some devilish magic got stannis head all fucked up.