Game Of Thrones season 2: The night is dark and full of terror................

[gdatruth]

so those were indeed the boys of the farmer that Theon had burned huh?

damn. first the butcher's son in the first season and that farmer's 2 sons

Man I tell you all its always the innocent and common folk that suffer the consequences in the schemes of the powerful

the thing is that as bad as it is for some of our favorite characters who are 'high-born' or royalty. Its even shittier for common folk. Its fucking ridiculous how useless their lives are.

while Joffrey and fam chilling in the castle playing at war, ppl in the city starving to the point where they eating ppl raw. Its gotta fucking suck to be a common man.

 

[gdatruth]

That. That wasn't even the issue. The issue was, why did that guy think Catelynn was worse than Theon. And you're agreeing that Theon. A child murderer and a oathbreaker. Is somehow a better person than a woman who's just desperately trying to get her children back.

that was me a few pages back.
it was personal list of my least favorite characters. Dont expect everyone to agree but glad its stimulated some great discussion.


although Cat had reasons behind all her decisions. They usually dont turn out well. Her capture of Tyrion escalted the Stark/Lannister conflict. Perhaps things could've turned out differently if Ned had more time to investigate the King's children. Her release of Jaime was completely inexcusable, disobeying the king's wishes and putting her faith in the oath breaker. But main reason for never being a fan of the character is her treatment of Jon Snow. I'm very biased cause Jon is my favorite character.


I dont view Theon has harshly because my negative feelings for Jeffroy, Cersei & Cat step from season 1 when they all established their place as my least favorite characters. Conversely last season Theon was a minor player who was Robb's best friend and saved Bran's life.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

that was me a few pages back.
it was personal list of my least favorite characters. Dont expect everyone to agree but glad its stimulated some great discussion.


although Cat had reasons behind all her decisions. They usually dont turn out well. Her capture of Tyrion escalted the Stark/Lannister conflict. Perhaps things could've turned out differently if Ned had more time to investigate the King's children. Her release of Jaime was completely inexcusable, disobeying the king's wishes and putting her faith in the oath breaker. But main reason for never being a fan of the character is her treatment of Jon Snow. I'm very biased cause Jon is my favorite character.


I dont view Theon has harshly because my negative feelings for Jeffroy, Cersei & Cat step from season 1 when they all established their place as my least favorite characters. Conversely last season Theon was a minor player who was Robb's best friend and saved Bran's life.

Not only that,her bad decisions was politically bad for the Starks..And her bad decisions had consequences for them.....Theon's bad decisions was basically trying to please his dad...Aint no way its even close......

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Am I the only person who thought Sunday's episode was boring.....Ive been reading that alot of people didnt like it and I want to know everybody's thoughts about it....

 

[boodahblaze]

Although, I applaud the efforts of HBO and team for bringing the Song of Ice & Fire to the little screen. I feel that this story is better served to have the same treatment as Lord of the Rings and have a mega trilogy.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Although, I applaud the efforts of HBO and team for bringing the Song of Ice & Fire to the little screen. I feel that this story is better served to have the same treatment as Lord of the Rings and have a mega trilogy.

A trilogy will not work for a ASOIAF because you have alot more characters and events than Lord of Rings(from what Im told) and plus you would have to butcher the story and character development even more than the TV series...

But I wouldnt mind seeing a movie about Robert's Rebellion or have a story about the Dunk and Egg series though

 

[PhillyTheKid]

Am I the only person who thought Sunday's episode was boring.....Ive been reading that alot of people didnt like it and I want to know everybody's thoughts about it....

I agree. My wife and I just got finished discussing it. Last Sundays episode was really "Blah". I am not going to call it a bad episode but in my opinion, it was really the most uneventful episode of any I watched. After watching that episode I don't think much progress was made.

Hopefully the last two episodes will be a lot better.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

that was me a few pages back.
it was personal list of my least favorite characters. Dont expect everyone to agree but glad its stimulated some great discussion.


although Cat had reasons behind all her decisions. They usually dont turn out well. Her capture of Tyrion escalted the Stark/Lannister conflict. Perhaps things could've turned out differently if Ned had more time to investigate the King's children. Her release of Jaime was completely inexcusable, disobeying the king's wishes and putting her faith in the oath breaker. But main reason for never being a fan of the character is her treatment of Jon Snow. I'm very biased cause Jon is my favorite character.


I dont view Theon has harshly because my negative feelings for Jeffroy, Cersei & Cat step from season 1 when they all established their place as my least favorite characters. Conversely last season Theon was a minor player who was Robb's best friend and saved Bran's life.

The Tyrion thing isn't even on my list. The only bad thing in my opinion she did was letting Jamie go. But Theon on the other hand? That dude is scum of the fucking earth and should be tortured in the most horrible ways imaginable. Cat is just a woman trying to get her children back. And the thing is when you've got a woman who's so desperate to protect her children she's going to do irrational things. I've already written my beliefs about Jon and her. And i understand how some people are going to see her as the bad guy. But i put that on Ned. If he just went and told her that it's not his kid, none of that would happen.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The Tyrion thing isn't even on my list. The only bad thing in my opinion she did was letting Jamie go. But Theon on the other hand? That dude is scum of the fucking earth and should be tortured in the most horrible ways imaginable. Cat is just a woman trying to get her children back. And the thing is when you've got a woman who's so desperate to protect her children she's going to do irrational things. I've already written my beliefs about Jon and her. And i understand how some people are going to see her as the bad guy. But i put that on Ned. If he just went and told her that it's not his kid, none of that would happen.

How can you sit there and say kidnapping Tyrion isnt on your list,when it put Ned in a tough position....You cant go around kidnapping the King's brother in law just because someone said it was his dagger...


Its one of the reasons why the Starks and Lannisters had so much friction because Catelyn kidnapped Tyrion....What Jaime did Bran was fucked up,but her inability to wait for Ned to take action cause him leg at the end....


As for Theon,killing two farm kids and taking over Winterfell does not have the political impact as Catelyn's bad decisions does....Is it fucked up what Theon did...Yes but when you have a daughter that's suppose to marry Joffrey,you as a mother do not kidnap his uncle..Especially when he's from a powerful family like the Lannisters..


As for Jon Snow's mother,even though Im still in the third book I've read the theories....If one of the theories are he's really a Targaryen blood,you cant really fought Ned for that because Robert wanted to exterminate everyone from that family,including the kids...Their is a reason why Daenery's(she was a baby/wasnt born at the time) and Visery had to leave Westeros because they would gotten killed.....Ned was pissed off at Robert when Robert found out about Daenerys being pregnant and suggested that if she ever comes to Westeros,he was going to kill her and the baby last season

Catelyn have put her family in so much danger its ridiculous....

 

[NightMare Paint]

Yall are just like fuck them non-book reading niggas with the spoilers huh :banghead:

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Yall are just like fuck them non-book reading niggas with the spoilers huh :banghead:

What spoilers...we are just talking about what happened last season and this season

More specifically how much of a fuck up Catelyn is....

 

[ViCiouS]

The Tyrion thing isn't even on my list. The only bad thing in my opinion she did was letting Jamie go. But Theon on the other hand? That dude is scum of the fucking earth and should be tortured in the most horrible ways imaginable. Cat is just a woman trying to get her children back. And the thing is when you've got a woman who's so desperate to protect her children she's going to do irrational things. I've already written my beliefs about Jon and her. And i understand how some people are going to see her as the bad guy. But i put that on Ned. If he just went and told her that it's not his kid, none of that would happen.

Women in power don't have the luxury of acting because they "feel"... Cat "felt" that her maternal instincts were correct instead of thinking through the situations. result? her husband gets ambushed, Rob is made to look weak and loses a faction's support (also if the trial went her way, the Eyre and Riverun would have faced the concentrated wrath of Tywin and Jaime Lannister.) Cersei "feels" that because she is a smart woman that she is much smarter than the men around her and the smartest person in the room every time. So she schemes without thinking. Both do ENORMOUS harm, sometimes even more harm than their enemies worst actions, because they "felt" instead of "thought"...

Both are the complete opposite of Danny, but on the show they writing Danny to be almost as shrill as Cat, and as short sighted as Cersi... Why are they writing her to be so weak right now? She is such a shrewd character, that is quick to learn and is always aware of what she doesn't know and what she needs to learn... And why take away the dragons? That makes absolutely no sense!

 

[geist]

Women in power don't have the luxury of acting because they "feel"... Cat "felt" that her maternal instincts were correct instead of thinking through the situations. result? her husband gets ambushed, Rob is made to look weak and loses a faction's support (also if the trial went her way, the Eyre and Riverun would have faced the concentrated wrath of Tywin and Jaime Lannister.) Cersei "feels" that because she is a smart woman that she is much smarter than the men around her and the smartest person in the room every time. So she schemes without thinking. Both do ENORMOUS harm, sometimes even more harm than their enemies worst actions, because they "felt" instead of "thought"...

Both are the complete opposite of Danny, but on the show they writing Danny to be almost as shrill as Cat, and as short sighted as Cersi... Why are they writing her to be so weak right now? She is such a shrewd character, that is quick to learn and is always aware of what she doesn't know and what she needs to learn... And why take away the dragons? That makes absolutely no sense!

Yeah, it's a shame what they did to Dany, but they have two more episodes to get back on track with her. She and Arya are two of the few female characters that get it.

 

[NightMare Paint]

What spoilers...we are just talking about what happened last season and this season

More specifically how much of a fuck up Catelyn is....

Already made myself forget it...I aint scrolling back up to read it again

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Yeah, it's a shame what they did to Dany, but they have two more episodes to get back on track with her. She and Arya are two of the few female characters that get it.

I dont like Arya's character development this season..

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Already made myself forget it...I aint scrolling back up to read it again

I was telling LI,how Catelyn's bad decisions is worse than Theon's..

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

The Tyrion thing isn't even on my list. The only bad thing in my opinion she did was letting Jamie go. But Theon on the other hand? That dude is scum of the fucking earth and should be tortured in the most horrible ways imaginable. Cat is just a woman trying to get her children back. And the thing is when you've got a woman who's so desperate to protect her children she's going to do irrational things. I've already written my beliefs about Jon and her. And i understand how some people are going to see her as the bad guy. But i put that on Ned. If he just went and told her that it's not his kid, none of that would happen.

so be a fuckin' liar ?

bring some random baby child home ?

you are really a female, huh?

---one thought, to a degree cat releasing jamie is robs fault.

not directly, but homie youre supposed to be the king in the north.

stop sending mommy off to negotiate for you! twice hes done that(renly,frey).

so naturally shes been taking on a prominent role in the war, so

she sees no boundaries. robbie got mommie doing his & his lords work.

cat dumb ass damn near set robb up for failure. she was about to agree with

renly to accept his offer(same 1 ned made with rob b.), which would have made rob swear fealty to renly.

if that would have happened, what would be the purpose of being a king.

robbie would still have to do as renly bid, if ever needed! just a thought.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

so be a fuckin' liar ?

bring some random baby child home ?

you are really a female, huh?

---one thought, to a degree cat releasing jamie is robs fault.

not directly, but homie youre supposed to be the king in the north.

stop sending mommy off to negotiate for you! twice hes done that(renly,frey).

so naturally shes been taking on a prominent role in the war, so

she sees no boundaries. robbie got mommie doing his & his lords work.

cat dumb ass damn near set robb up for failure. she was about to agree with

renly to accept his offer(same 1 ned made with rob b.), which would have made rob swear fealty to renly.

if that would have happened, what would be the purpose of being a king.

robbie would still have to do as renly bid, if ever needed! just a thought.

The reason why Robb didnt do the negotiating himself is because Catelyn told him he shouldnt Walder Frey be trusted and she afraid he would hold Robb hostage and sell him to the Lannisters that why she volunteer herself for Robb...


For some reason the Tully's and isnt too fond of the Freys...

 

[gdatruth]

Women in power don't have the luxury of acting because they "feel"... Cat "felt" that her maternal instincts were correct instead of thinking through the situations. result? her husband gets ambushed, Rob is made to look weak and loses a faction's support (also if the trial went her way, the Eyre and Riverun would have faced the concentrated wrath of Tywin and Jaime Lannister.) Cersei "feels" that because she is a smart woman that she is much smarter than the men around her and the smartest person in the room every time. So she schemes without thinking. Both do ENORMOUS harm, sometimes even more harm than their enemies worst actions, because they "felt" instead of "thought"...

Both are the complete opposite of Danny, but on the show they writing Danny to be almost as shrill as Cat, and as short sighted as Cersi... Why are they writing her to be so weak right now? She is such a shrewd character, that is quick to learn and is always aware of what she doesn't know and what she needs to learn... And why take away the dragons? That makes absolutely no sense!

yeah I've been very disappointed with the portrayal of Danny this season. I didnt get this vibe when reading the books. At times she sounds more like her brother. Assuming everyone will fall in line cause of what she(he was) and their birthrights. Tired of her 'I'm the mother of dragons' speech. And what? Them dragons aint shit...yet. And for all her talk about her kids she couldnt keep em.

I always wondered in the books why no one tried to steal her dragons. For the most part she has limited means to protect them and they cant protect themselves yet. On the show she had to lose her dragons as humbling experience cause she relyies way too much on them.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

yeah I've been very disappointed with the portrayal of Danny this season. I didnt get this vibe when reading the books. At times she sounds more like her brother. Assuming everyone will fall in line cause of what she(he was) and their birthrights. Tired of her 'I'm the mother of dragons' speech. And what? Them dragons aint shit...yet. And for all her talk about her kids she couldnt keep em. (I always wondered in the books why no one tried to steal her dragons).

I thought her chapters for the most part was boring....

 

[gdatruth]

---one thought, to a degree cat releasing jamie is robs fault.

not directly, but homie youre supposed to be the king in the north.

stop sending mommy off to negotiate for you! twice hes done that(renly,frey).

so naturally shes been taking on a prominent role in the war, so

she sees no boundaries. robbie got mommie doing his & his lords work.

cat dumb ass damn near set robb up for failure. she was about to agree with

renly to accept his offer(same 1 ned made with rob b.), which would have made rob swear fealty to renly.

if that would have happened, what would be the purpose of being a king.

robbie would still have to do as renly bid, if ever needed! just a thought.

Cat has gotten alittle to big for her britches but I wouldnt put it on Rob. She still thinks of Rob as a kid and her mind Mom>>>my King who is also my son. Rob sent her mom to negotiate on his behalf cause she was the next best thing. She is high born, Ned's old lady (everyone respected Ned even Cercsi to a degree) and the King's mom. Rob going to see Renly could have ended badly. We saw what happened when '2 kings' met face to face. Within an hour we were short one king. And as gouki mentioned the Freys arent to be trusted and her fam has history with them so it was better for her to go.


Cat is the one person Rob could trust and she took advantage of that.

 

[gdatruth]

I thought her chapters for the most part was boring....

yeah thats pretty accurate. Things pick up in the 3rd book but she aint a major player yet in the grand scheme of things til she gets to Westeros or/and her dragons come of age.

Like Ducksause said a few episodes back the players on the margins eventually become bigger taking the place of the major players but she is a way from that.

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

Cat is the one person Rob could trust and she took advantage of that.

"they" say family will fuck you over quicker than anyone!

kahalessi could be cut from the whole shit!

havent read the books, but if the dragons dont reach maturity

& she take over with them, whats the point of her whole story?

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Women in power don't have the luxury of acting because they "feel"... Cat "felt" that her maternal instincts were correct instead of thinking through the situations. result? her husband gets ambushed, Rob is made to look weak and loses a faction's support (also if the trial went her way, the Eyre and Riverun would have faced the concentrated wrath of Tywin and Jaime Lannister.) Cersei "feels" that because she is a smart woman that she is much smarter than the men around her and the smartest person in the room every time. So she schemes without thinking. Both do ENORMOUS harm, sometimes even more harm than their enemies worst actions, because they "felt" instead of "thought"...

Both are the complete opposite of Danny, but on the show they writing Danny to be almost as shrill as Cat, and as short sighted as Cersi... Why are they writing her to be so weak right now? She is such a shrewd character, that is quick to learn and is always aware of what she doesn't know and what she needs to learn... And why take away the dragons? That makes absolutely no sense!

If we're just talking about Catelynn needing to go sit down somewhere. Absolutely. But it's not a matter of her thinking she's smarter than everyone else. It's her children being in danger. And how it effects her as a mother. With the loss of a husband. Something that the writer seemed to understand a lot better than some of you. He's pegged a woman in morning who's children are scattered and she's desperately trying to find a way to get them back. When you're a mother, often times all that other shit gets completely overriden by the gravity of losing children.

But here's the question as well. If Catelynn didn't let Jamie go. Would he have lived through the night?

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

so be a fuckin' liar ?

bring some random baby child home ?

you are really a female, huh?

---one thought, to a degree cat releasing jamie is robs fault.

not directly, but homie youre supposed to be the king in the north.

stop sending mommy off to negotiate for you! twice hes done that(renly,frey).

so naturally shes been taking on a prominent role in the war, so

she sees no boundaries. robbie got mommie doing his & his lords work.

cat dumb ass damn near set robb up for failure. she was about to agree with

renly to accept his offer(same 1 ned made with rob b.), which would have made rob swear fealty to renly.

if that would have happened, what would be the purpose of being a king.

robbie would still have to do as renly bid, if ever needed! just a thought.

Oh fucking relax. I don't think Jon is Ned's son. The writer hasn't divulged this. But i'm thinking Jon is the son of his sister and the Targaryen she was with. I'm convinced there's more to that then he's addressing at this time. I'm sure of it.

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

. But here's the question as well. If Catelynn didn't let Jamie go. Would he have lived through the night?

fuck dude living, he murdered!

he deserved to have justice served!

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

Oh fucking relax. I don't think Jon is Ned's son. The writer hasn't divulged this. But i'm thinking Jon is the son of his sister and the Targaryen she was with. I'm convinced there's more to that then he's addressing at this time. I'm sure of it.

did you read the books?

what sister with a targaryen?

this:Lyanna Stark is an unseen character in Game of Thrones. She is deceased when the events of the series begin. Lyanna Stark is the younger sister of major character Eddard Stark. Her kidnap by Prince Rhaegar Targaryen contributed to the outbreak of Robert's Rebellion. She died during the conflict.

she aint give birth to shit dead!

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

yeah thats pretty accurate. Things pick up in the 3rd book but she aint a major player yet in the grand scheme of things til she gets to Westeros or/and her dragons come of age.

Like Ducksause said a few episodes back the players on the margins eventually become bigger taking the place of the major players but she is a way from that.

Her chapters in the third book started off bad but Im liking them now...but from what I read it gets old in the fourth and fifth book..

so be a fuckin' liar ?

bring some random baby child home ?

you are really a female, huh?

---one thought, to a degree cat releasing jamie is robs fault.

not directly, but homie youre supposed to be the king in the north.

stop sending mommy off to negotiate for you! twice hes done that(renly,frey).

so naturally shes been taking on a prominent role in the war, so

she sees no boundaries. robbie got mommie doing his & his lords work.

cat dumb ass damn near set robb up for failure. she was about to agree with

renly to accept his offer(same 1 ned made with rob b.), which would have made rob swear fealty to renly.

if that would have happened, what would be the purpose of being a king.

robbie would still have to do as renly bid, if ever needed! just a thought.

I think Rob should of been on Stannis side...imo...

If we're just talking about Catelynn needing to go sit down somewhere. Absolutely. But it's not a matter of her thinking she's smarter than everyone else. It's her children being in danger. And how it effects her as a mother. With the loss of a husband. Something that the writer seemed to understand a lot better than some of you. He's pegged a woman in morning who's children are scattered and she's desperately trying to find a way to get them back. When you're a mother, often times all that other shit gets completely overriden by the gravity of losing children.

But here's the question as well. If Catelynn didn't let Jamie go. Would he have lived through the night?

While I understand what you're saying,Catelyn should of learn to play the game...That's what got Ned killed in the first place because he couldnt play the game.

Like Cersei says "When you play the game of thrones you win or you die"

 

[keone]

Am I the only person who thought Sunday's episode was boring.....Ive been reading that alot of people didnt like it and I want to know everybody's thoughts about it....

 

[gdatruth]

did you read the books?

what sister with a targaryen?

this:Lyanna Stark is an unseen character in Game of Thrones. She is deceased when the events of the series begin. Lyanna Stark is the younger sister of major character Eddard Stark. Her kidnap by Prince Rhaegar Targaryen contributed to the outbreak of Robert's Rebellion. She died during the conflict.

she aint give birth to shit dead!

thats a major assumption. Its purely speculation

one of the theories is that she ran off with Rhaegar which pissed Robert who was bethrone to her. She wasnt kidnapped. She could've had a child with Rhaegar who is Rob Snow. That would explain how he is a stark but why Ned would never divluge who is mother is and why Ned didnt want Danny's baby killed. Rob was adamant that he wanted Thanganarys wiped out

 

[TimRock]

Oh fucking relax. I don't think Jon is Ned's son. The writer hasn't divulged this. But i'm thinking Jon is the son of his sister and the Targaryen she was with. I'm convinced there's more to that then he's addressing at this time. I'm sure of it.

Who would be alive to prove this theory? And why would Ned keep that from his wife?

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Who would be alive to prove this theory? And why would Ned keep that from his wife?

I don't knowwwww. I'm thinking something may pop up sometime soon. It's just the feeling i get. Certain things don't add up when it comes to Jon and Ned. Like it'd be totally out of character for Ned to do this. But, it would be in his character to make a promise to his dying sister to protect Jon and not let anyone know she had the baby of Rhaegar. And him keeping that promise to his dead sister.

"Once the conflict had ended and Robert had taken the throne, Ned returned home, bringing with him a bastard son, Jon, about whose origins he refused to speak, even to his own wife; he quickly silenced rumors that the boy's mother was the Dornish noblewoman Ashara Dayne. Godric Borrell claims that the daughter of the fisherman who sneaked Ned to Sweetsister gave birth to Jon Snow."

See? There's SOMETHING HERE. I'm just, i'm TELLING you. There's something there.

 

[El Guapo]

^^^ While none of this has been revealed in any of the books yet, Ned has a bannerman that has been ridin' with him a long time and was the only other ally there when his sister died. Many readers speculate that this bannerman has knowledge of what really went down that day, and unrevealed insight on Jon Snow.