Game Of Thrones season 2: The night is dark and full of terror................

I don't like the way they changed the battle/death of Yoren. It was much later and bigger in the book. So far, S2 is making a lot of changes from the book, unlike S1.
 
I don't like the way they changed the battle/death of Yoren. It was much later and bigger in the book. So far, S2 is making a lot of changes from the book, unlike S1.

The battle was much bigger but perhaps that is due to the budget. Hell they need to save that money for the epic battle that is to come later this season.
 
The battle was much bigger but perhaps that is due to the budget. Hell they need to save that money for the epic battle that is to come later this season.

Not just that, they made it seem like Arya had just left Kings Landing a day or 2 ago, when in actuality, they were traveling for a few weeks before this happened. They just excised several chapters out of the book.
 
The battle was much bigger but perhaps that is due to the budget. Hell they need to save that money for the epic battle that is to come later this season.

Agreed, but at least he went out like a bawse.

They did a whole lot of storyline/character compressing in this episode.

I guess that's what you gotta do when you try to pack so much into 10 episodes.
 
Not just that, they made it seem like Arya had just left Kings Landing a day or 2 ago, when in actuality, they were traveling for a few weeks before this happened. They just excised several chapters out of the book.



I don't think it is that big of a deal at the moment.
 
Not just that, they made it seem like Arya had just left Kings Landing a day or 2 ago, when in actuality, they were traveling for a few weeks before this happened. They just excised several chapters out of the book.

They covered the important parts

a) Arya and Landry revealing themselves to each other.

b) Arya starting on her path towards revenge (versus just getting home). I think the scene with Yoren telling how he ended up in the night watch sets that up nicely.
 
They covered the important parts

a) Arya and Landry revealing themselves to each other.

b) Arya starting on her path towards revenge (versus just getting home). I think the scene with Yoren telling how he ended up in the night watch sets that up nicely.

they did set that up nicely
 
"We've always said that we see the show as an adaptation of George's series, not this book or that book," Weiss explained. "It's definitely true that 'A Storm of Swords' is too big to even come close to fitting in one season. We've done some shuffling around of things -- as an example, there were some things from Book 2 that ended up in Season 1, and there are probably going to be some things in Book 2 that didn't make it into Season 2 or maybe won't show up later. Book 3 is definitely too much for a 10-episode season, so we're taking the long view of the series of the whole, and trying to do as much justice as possible to George's overall epic story and be as true to the spirit as we can, while keeping it an exciting and viable and vivid as a television show that stands on its own two legs."

As I said in my conversation with Weiss, it sounds as though the way to look at upcoming season (hopefully seasons) of the show are as portions of the overall saga, not sections of particular books.

"Yeah," Weiss said. "A season of television needs to feel like a season of television. We have so many storylines to juggle, and they all need to ideally have a sense of a beginning, middle and end over the course of a season. Each character needs to feel like they're traveling a specific road in the course of a season, and coming out as a different person than they went in. It's never going to be about taking a book and ripping it in half -- 'At page 673, this is the place where [the season] ends.' It comes down to case-by-case [decisions] with each story and how best to serve each character's story going forward."


I don't like the way they changed the battle/death of Yoren. It was much later and bigger in the book. So far, S2 is making a lot of changes from the book, unlike S1.

Not just that, they made it seem like Arya had just left Kings Landing a day or 2 ago, when in actuality, they were traveling for a few weeks before this happened. They just excised several chapters out of the book.


^^^^ This is why I refuse to read the books before they deal with it in the season, I'd rather be surprised by whatever is left out when I finally read the books as opposed to being disappointed by what isn't included in the show since I've read the books.

Reading the books first seems to be just setting myself up for disappointment whereas watching the show and then reading the books still gives me something to look forward to and leaves a lot to still be discovered.

Tyrion played Grand Maester Pycelle perfectly. LOL!!!


Yeah he did :dance:

And it only seems like he has more in store.:dance:

In an odd way by protecting himself and learning from the mistakes of the hand's who've served before him (particularly Eddard Stark) he's almost to some extent avenging the death of Eddard Stark for the Stark's himself. He's already taken out two of the people who were instrumental in Eddard's betrayal and death.
 
Tyrion played Grand Maester Pycelle perfectly. LOL!!!

And played it perfectly as you said. Tell 3 different stories and whichever one gets back tells you who the traitor is. Beautiful. He is one of my favorite characters. Him and Arya. If Arya was a boy she'd be top dawg

I don't like the way they changed the battle/death of Yoren. It was much later and bigger in the book. So far, S2 is making a lot of changes from the book, unlike S1.

Agreed, but at least he went out like a bawse.

They did a whole lot of storyline/character compressing in this episode.

I guess that's what you gotta do when you try to pack so much into 10 episodes.

I have't read the book yet. I will order it tomorrow. Going out like he did is the way you go out if you are going out. Fighting for your life, and making every man earn trying to take it from you. He killed at least 5 dudes. All of them with an arrow in the chest.

I cannot wait to read the books. His story was deep. Can't wait to see how Arya plays out.

They covered the important parts

a) Arya and Landry revealing themselves to each other.

b) Arya starting on her path towards revenge (versus just getting home). I think the scene with Yoren telling how he ended up in the night watch sets that up nicely.

Loved it. Mad that i am caught up with the series so I have to wait a week every time AND I have to wait for a couple of hours afterward because I dont have HBO and must wait for the downloads. THanks again Man of Steel.
 
My favorite scene was when Catelyn told Loras that Rob was fighting a war and then said he's not playing with one....Even though that line was directed to Renly
 
They covered the important parts

a) Arya and Landry revealing themselves to each other.

b) Arya starting on her path towards revenge (versus just getting home). I think the scene with Yoren telling how he ended up in the night watch sets that up nicely.

What about the 3 prisoners that were locked in the cage and the fire was about to engulf them??? It wasn't never shown what happened to them, whether they escaped, were freed, or were killed. In "A Clash of Kings" (book 2), their outcome has a major impact on Arya's storyline.
 
Agreed, but at least he went out like a bawse.

They did a whole lot of storyline/character compressing in this episode.

I guess that's what you gotta do when you try to pack so much into 10 episodes.

He did go out like a damn man didn't he? Loved it.

My favorite scene was when Catelyn told Loras that Rob was fighting a war and then said he's not playing with one....Even though that line was directed to Renly

Yeah i really liked Cat in this episode. And i love love love love LOVVVVE Tyrion. Chess not checkers Cersi.
 
Yeah i really liked Cat in this episode. And i love love love love LOVVVVE Tyrion. Chess not checkers Cersi.

You can see her starting to crack....



The one thing I dont understand is why Balon is giving Theon a hard time when it was him who tried to take the Iron Throne and then gave his son up as hostage for making a very bad decision...

Everything Theon said last night was the truth and you can tell it hurt Balon too....
 
You can see her starting to crack....



The one thing I dont understand is why Balon is giving Theon a hard time when it was him who tried to take the Iron Throne and then gave his son up as hostage for making a very bad decision...

Everything Theon said last night was the truth and you can tell it hurt Balon too....

I apologize on behalf of all women for whatever that woman did who hurt you. Seriously. I do. We're apologizing.
 
You can see her starting to crack....



The one thing I dont understand is why Balon is giving Theon a hard time when it was him who tried to take the Iron Throne and then gave his son up as hostage for making a very bad decision...

Everything Theon said last night was the truth and you can tell it hurt Balon too....

It's hard to look at your failures in life example- Han
 
Man that last ep was the shit .... the only thing they have left out the last 2 ep's was the Khaliese. I knew Theon Greyjoy was on some fuckery too. Tyrion still my favorite character and the plot of the lil Stark is getting interesting
 
I apologize on behalf of all women for whatever that woman did who hurt you. Seriously. I do. We're apologizing.
I think he was referring to Cersi, not Cat...

Funny thing is, Balon is making the same mistake again, and in reality I think Theon's words brought home the hypocracy of everything Balon said about paying the iron price.

What I love about this story is the subtlty... realizing that from the jump that Tiwin and Tyrion had the same thought process... Tiwin was simultaneously planning /making the same types of political alliances that Tyrion was planning /forging in Kingslanding...
 
The one thing I dont understand is why Balon is giving Theon a hard time when it was him who tried to take the Iron Throne and then gave his son up as hostage for making a very bad decision...

Everything Theon said last night was the truth and you can tell it hurt Balon too....

Balon felt that his son forgot everything about being a true "Greyjoy" and a man of the Iron Lands. In the book there was a lot more that took place. For example, Theon came back like he expected everyone to roll the red carpet out for him and bow down to him , even though he hasn't earned their respect. He didn't even know who his sister was, yet on the ride (in the book) was telling her (not knowing she was his sister) how when he becomes the ruler of the islands, she could be his "salt-wife", like she should feel flattered. And talking to her the whole ride from the shore to the castle about the wonder of Winterfell. And when he first meets his father, he is dressed as a Stark, not as a man of the Iron Islands. He even has a gold chain on, and his father asked him if he paid the iron price for it - did he take it by force or did he buy it/was given it. And remember, the Starks killed Balon's other sons, so to see his last son come to him more like a Stark than his son, and talking of joining with the Starks was an insult to him. In his mind, Theon should be coming to him to kill Robb Stark, not work with him.
 
What about the 3 prisoners that were locked in the cage and the fire was about to engulf them??? It wasn't never shown what happened to them, whether they escaped, were freed, or were killed. In "A Clash of Kings" (book 2), their outcome has a major impact on Arya's storyline.

I have to watch it again, but she threw them the Axe to free themselves. but I agree they didn't give them much screen time. Non book readers are going to be confused if/when they show up again.
 
Balon is an idiot. Starks did not kill his sons, though he chooses to blame them directly. He is a bitter old hypocritical fool feigning an allegiance to the old way, when in reality he wouldn't even be stepping up if the strength of the North wasn't fighting a war in the south.

Theon is the bigger fool, but I do appreciate the television show displaying some internal conflict with his being a turncoat. Though it played out over a longer period of time in the book, him turning against Robb seemed a lot more shallow in the book.

Also, I think they did enough with the 3 prisoners. They clearly showed Arya fetching them the axe, and then did a close up on JH staring at her as they freed themselves. That was enough set up. The book didn't exactly focus on them at this point either.
 
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I think he was referring to Cersi, not Cat...

Funny thing is, Balon is making the same mistake again, and in reality I think Theon's words brought home the hypocracy of everything Balon said about paying the iron price.

What I love about this story is the subtlty... realizing that from the jump that Tiwin and Tyrion had the same thought process... Tiwin was simultaneously planning /making the same types of political alliances that Tyrion was planning /forging in Kingslanding...

Sounds like a good idea. Yeah i can see that. Tyrion is very much his fathers son. But i love the character how really deeply damaged he is, but still forges along. When he said to the Spider that he wasn't an honorable man i was thinking to myself Tyrion you actually are. Outside of the Stark kingdom he's pretty much the only one.
 
Balon felt that his son forgot everything about being a true "Greyjoy" and a man of the Iron Lands. In the book there was a lot more that took place. For example, Theon came back like he expected everyone to roll the red carpet out for him and bow down to him , even though he hasn't earned their respect. He didn't even know who his sister was, yet on the ride (in the book) was telling her (not knowing she was his sister) how when he becomes the ruler of the islands, she could be his "salt-wife", like she should feel flattered. And talking to her the whole ride from the shore to the castle about the wonder of Winterfell. And when he first meets his father, he is dressed as a Stark, not as a man of the Iron Islands. He even has a gold chain on, and his father asked him if he paid the iron price for it - did he take it by force or did he buy it/was given it. And remember, the Starks killed Balon's other sons, so to see his last son come to him more like a Stark than his son, and talking of joining with the Starks was an insult to him. In his mind, Theon should be coming to him to kill Robb Stark, not work with him.

Maybe, but i tend to go a little deeper. All that comes from projection of GUILT. He hates himself for giving his son away, and he knows on the inside how hypocritical he's being. Theon spoke the absolute truth to his father and all it did really was bring all that guilt up closer to the surface than it was expected. It's hard to see your failure brought up to your face and then spat back at you.
 
Maybe, but i tend to go a little deeper. All that comes from projection of GUILT. He hates himself for giving his son away, and he knows on the inside how hypocritical he's being. Theon spoke the absolute truth to his father and all it did really was bring all that guilt up closer to the surface than it was expected. It's hard to see your failure brought up to your face and then spat back at you.

Like I said, Theon in the book was different than Theon in the show. In the series he comes across as a much more sympathetic character (even the scene on the ship between him & the captain's daughter played differently) where as in the books he comes across as thinking he was the shit, to everyone.
 
I'm about to go and cop the books now at Walmart.

Nope, just got the complete serie, all 4 books, on Buy.com for $20.97

http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=218171541&sellerid=19495540

I just got the books yesterday. 5 days after I placed the order.

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