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Empty barrel is a racist term ?
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Wait,you're cool with a white person calling Frederica Wilson dumb even though Frederica Wilson proved Trump and Kelly were lying.....What planet do you live on?
And,you do know that phrase have been used to describe black people,right......
Just like the word Monday is a racist term to describe black people,but I guess you're going to say that's not.
Imma drop this right here...
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Dude it's politics ! She's not black and he ain't white, politics is dog eat dog, ain't no crying in baseball and ain't no crying in politics. And ok Monday is now racist.Wait,you're cool with a white person calling Frederica Wilson dumb even though Frederica Wilson proved Trump and Kelly were lying.....What planet do you live on?
And,you do know that phrase have been used to describe black people,right......
Just like the word Monday is a racist term to describe black people,but I guess you're going to say that's not.
Bruh......
When I was a lil kid my mom took me up to Albany to protest the end of rent control in NYC , and I watched all these people go to these politicians and beg them for help, take pictures and show their teeth, and those fuckers told my mom and all those people that they will fight for them. We were living in a two bedroom for 800 and that was expensive at the time. Before you could say jack rabbit those Dems let rent control fall to the way side. A fucking studio apartment is now $1050. I don't care what colour a politician is, they are liers me, and they will betray the people every time.
True, most politicians ain't shit but I don't see what that has to do with the question of whether him calling her dumb is racist.
I was responding to the others posters that took offensive stance against what I posted earlier
wow... you don't understand racism or you are very myopicWait. So not calling folks by their names is racist?Bruh, cats in the joint will do that shit. Let's cut the shit. I know what not calling someone by their name means. I know what it means to call a person their first name instead of using a title. I know what it means to shorten a name.
But how is it a racist term? Because it comes from a racist? That just won't cut it. Period.
If he had just said 'dumb ass or crazy' would those now be a racist term? There are plenty of terms used to belittle, now they will be labeled racist? Come on man.
He was wrong, but come on man.
ok...
first understand that it is a sign of disrespect to not address or reference people by their names -especially in a formal setting
so using your examples - Kelly saying any of that instead- would be racist too!
why?
because there is already an established pattern of Trump and now Kelly ONLY showing that type of disrespect to people of color
In the past both men have disagreed or criticized people and in Trump's case thrown insults,
and in each case Trump addressed his targets by name, unless they are women or in general people of color
Kelly in past has always referred to or addressed members of congress by their names - even when angry or frustrated over disagreements... until now. He has worked with congressional members for decades now and the very first time he shows a complete lack of deference in a formal setting is to a black female member? And after all these years - the ONLY Goldstar widow he refused to refer to by name is also a black female?
Is this a lack of respect that either has ever shown in a formal setting to a white man or woman?
If the Goldstar widow and the congresswoman were white - would Kelly have refused refer to them by their names?
No?
That's racist
"Empty barrel " by its self may not be racist (outside of Boston) - but in the context of Kelly's press conference it sure as fuck is
a white congresswoman might have been called an empty barrel by him - but I guarantee the statement would have started with her name
It continues the over all practice of framing us as less than human
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Wait. So not calling folks by their names is racist?
But how is it a racist term? Because it comes from a racist? That just won't cut it. Period.
If he had just said 'dumb ass or crazy' would those now be a racist term? There are plenty of terms used to belittle, now they will be labeled racist? Come on man.
He was wrong, but come on man.
When a racist uses a demeaning term to a black person their racism is the driving force for them being demeaning so in that instance it is being used as a racist term..
That doesn't mean it is exclusively racist.
In this context it is.
Boy isnt a racist word in and of itself.
But boy has been used as a racist term
Exactly.....cant believe it's so hard to understand.
Dog whistle, the fuck is you talking bout. This is the trump administration we're talking about. When did they need a whistle
I thought he was also referring to her size/weight by using the barrel given how one is shaped. Equally as insulting. He could have used the word container but he knew exactly what he was saying and doing.
dog whistle politics isn't always a call to the base
its how they hide insults - no matter if the target is racial or partisan
"bless your heart..."
Trumps folks don't like women, so is the term now misogynist as well? She is a woman.
Politics involves PR and strategy. It was just a dumb thing to say that it was a racist term. Period. Obama played chess for 8 years right? Let's assume words can magically become racist terms at the drop of a hat, is it wise to say that or to just say he was disrespectful?
Concentrate on the disrespect and fight with that. Shit. Using the woman angle would have been a better move. Trump's folks giving people opportunities and they still can't score.
What reputable new agency is even cosigning it being a racist term?
I thought it was more sexist than anything.
So when did the empty barrel making more noise (because it does) fact actually begin? Its true with all hard empty containers.
My point is who cares? There's so much more important matters we need to address.
Empty barrel a racist term OK and let's move on. Besides if you can embrace n i 9 9 e r ....
My point is who cares? There's so much more important matters we need to address.
Empty barrel a racist term OK and let's move on. Besides if you can embrace n i 9 9 e r ....
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Trumps folks don't like women, so is the term now misogynist as well? She is a woman.
Politics involves PR and strategy. It was just a dumb thing to say that it was a racist term. Period. Obama played chess for 8 years right? Let's assume words can magically become racist terms at the drop of a hat, is it wise to say that or to just say he was disrespectful?
Concentrate on the disrespect and fight with that. Shit. Using the woman angle would have been a better move. Trump's folks giving people opportunities and they still can't score.
I hear all y'all. Y'all are all correct. I've heard that phrase before and it was a white supervisor calling another white supervisor an empty barrel. I sat in on an arbitration a decade ago man and I acted like I understood it then but I had to go home and google that shit. This is like the third time in a lifetime I heard it used. Some of these old ass terms were used specifically by racist old crackers but not this word. The shit predates America. Very similar to thug. Thus is NOT a racist word, it was used to describe Hitler decades ago and some other white clown in Europe a score earlier.
But here is the reality of EMPTY BARREL.
Is the word itself racist? No.
Is the context it was used in racist? Perhaps. Because its Kelly defending Trump and the pattern they have established.
Its not the word, its the context.
George Carlin had a whole skit based on the word N I G G E R. He wrapped the whole joke around Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy. He even said it himself - the point it's just a word. Pryor and Murphy can say it all day (er or a at the end) because they considered themselves exactly that but a pasty white ass honkie can't because he is not.
Carlin was a genius BTW. There will never be another. And yes- that is not the fight to pick here. They should've went another route. The country is clearly showing it cares nothing about Trump and his cohorts racist behavior, contexts and attacks. They let it slide so find another way to prime the outrage at Trump.
oNE
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Hmmmmm you seem to have a real hard on for me, but mi nah deal Inna di battyman ting. Furthermore, explain to us all how I am a "Zionist coon". You seem to posit a lot of bullshit, time to back it up or sit down and shut the fuck up.
Where's the Dem political machine to back up their Congress person? Has anyone spoke out in Frederica' defense?
I'm just going to say the debate in here is just real life.
The term itself is not in the "Book of Racist Phrases", but our lack of understanding and clarity on the whole ordeal (MINE TOO)
thought we had missed something because "clickbait" news articles don't go into detail about anything.
The usage, including context like ViCiouS pointed out fills in the blanks.
The term itself is not in the "Book of Racist Phrases", but our lack of understanding and clarity on the whole ordeal (MINE TOO)
thought we had missed something because "clickbait" news articles don't go into detail about anything.
The usage, including context like ViCiouS pointed out fills in the blanks.
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The n-word is simply about inclusion. White people don't like to be excluded from anything because they think they run and own everything
They don't think they should be excluded from using the word and because they are, they are mad so they try to use it whenever they can even if it gets them an ass whooping
Trumps folks don't like women, so is the term now misogynist as well? She is a woman.
Politics involves PR and strategy. It was just a dumb thing to say that it was a racist term. Period. Obama played chess for 8 years right? Let's assume words can magically become racist terms at the drop of a hat, is it wise to say that or to just say he was disrespectful?
Concentrate on the disrespect and fight with that. Shit. Using the woman angle would have been a better move. Trump's folks giving people opportunities and they still can't score.
Again O'Donnell explained to origin and the use..m
All that strategizing you talking about makes no difference and won't change the outcome. .
Nobody said a word becomes magically racist except for you
Most of us understand history usage and intent.
And miss me with the reputable news agency considering most have allowed trump to set the narrative of fake news by allowing him and his administration to lie and being afraid to call them on it and now they have no credibilty and don't even try
You know what? This is a damn good point. I'm so busy being mad at Republicans for not sacking up and calling their own out for lying that I didn't even think about how quiet the Dems have been (aside from the few local folks that got dragged into it, willing or not). I know they got tired of raising the alarm every time something pops up, but they should at least have their own's back when the White House is trying to squash them.
Not just them but women's groups too..
Oh thats right they were silent on jaMelle hill too
Calling someone an "empty barrel" is nothing. We need to concern ourselves more with how this administration is using Black People to shore up its base by using what are historically Racist Dog Whistle actions.
This dude (and his supporters) has gleefully attacked Obama, Kaepernick (and Black NFL), Wilson, and even Sgt. LA David Johnson's family.
Black folks need to get it together and start doing some serious organizing.
Because it's going to get worse than name-calling.
This dude (and his supporters) has gleefully attacked Obama, Kaepernick (and Black NFL), Wilson, and even Sgt. LA David Johnson's family.
Black folks need to get it together and start doing some serious organizing.
Because it's going to get worse than name-calling.
That's the problem. This word has no history of being used as a racist term(other than one guy claiming it on tv). Somehow, this is the only racist term that cacs didn't take on the road with them. Every other term we know of, traveled with these racists but this one. So since it has no history, folks are left with the context argument.
Imagine other scenarios. So if she were a white woman and disrespected in such a manner, she could have said it was a misogynist term? If it were a gay man, he could have said it was a homophobic term? IMHO, it's just stupid to go down this path and accomplishes nothing but people making up shit as they go along and screaming context.
Let's face it. Some of the folks saying it was racist term because of context wouldn't have been cool with another group using the same argument. Best believe if a gay man accused a black man of using a made-up homophobic term because of context people would be screaming a different tune. People never think about when they can be on the other end of this dumb shit.
Just say it was disrespectful and he lied about the speech and keep it moving. Now even people on the left are like
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