I've seen a few setup and they all failed. We don't support black businesses in our own neighborhoods. Do you really expect whites to support us?
since when have white people ever done anything based on how black people have done it??
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Does anyone know of a study about black businesses in non black communities vs non black businesses in black communities?
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since when have white people ever done anything based on how black people have done it??
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Great topic. An economic race war is happening fuck all who disagree.
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they have an Ethiopian food truck out here run by 3 college aged white boys.
since when have white people ever done anything based on how black people have done it??
seriously
damn near every music genre westen whites "created" was stolen from or heavily influenced by blacks.
Nope... yall still the Champs!
Well, you sound like losers. Whining, complaining, and moaning and groaning...
If you aren't, you are doing a great imitation of it.
my point is where matter of economic concerns are whites have never used how blacks treat blacks as a motivating factor in how they have historically treated us.
The gentrification of Bed Stuy is very sad BUT learned from Ft Greene so when people saw the first signs of the inevitable aka a few white folks getting off at our stop(NEVER before seen) people took the initiative and started opening businesses targeted towards white people and the affluent Black people in the area so now yes there is wine stores, creperie, cafes, all kinds of bullshit but Black owned. Praise Jah
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since when have white people ever done anything based on how black people have done it??
seriously
Twerking
since when have white people ever done anything based on how black people have done it??
seriously
What kind of fuckery is this?
Thw whole western civilization is based on African systems..... from democracy, theology, science, language etc....
Go ask the Greeks where they got their shit from including their language
I've seen a few setup and they all failed. We don't support black businesses in our own neighborhoods. Do you really expect whites to support us?
Twerking
What kind of fuckery is this?
Thw whole western civilization is based on African systems..... from democracy, theology, science, language etc....
Go ask the Greeks where they got their shit from including their language
read the question to understand my answer
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I'll answer yes. I've seen mainly Caribbean restaurants and hair salons. Some night spots and pastry shops too. However, they usually START in a mixed neighborhood and then get OVERTAKEN by gentrification and wind up in a white (read: affluent white) area. You see this in Brooklyn in Prospect Heights, Flatbush, Crown Heights, Ft. Greene, Williamsburg (read North Bushwick).
The ones that go out of business (most) usually do so for these reasons (IMHO):
(a) can't keep up with the new rent (did not purchase building when had opportunity)
(b) poor service (running out of rice and beans or curry chicken at 5pm every day, stylists not showing up)
(c) inability to integrate with new culture (stylists don't cut 'white' hair or do so poorly, presentation of food is poor - no price increase to improve facilities and food presentation)
(d) bad marketing (storefront dirty, windows dirty and poorly lit, staff rude/scary - need retraining, no coordination with neighboring businesses to achieve synergies)
(e) no delivery service / catering (owner too fatigued to properly 'work' the new environment)
(f) poor space utilization (vestiges of 'hood' mentality cause layout to be poor and uninviting, not enough ROI per sq ft. when rent increases)
However, a few business I've seen have survived by taking some of these elements into account or focusing on parts of the business that provide the most revenue.
(a) pastry shop focuses on signature foods and implements home delivery and wedding specialty catering services.
(b) hair salon becomes a 'hair studio' and seriously retails 'white' haircare products, along with an interior redesign and maximization of store frontage.
(c) Caribbean restaurant redesigns (new tables, new signage, etc) gets good looking wait staff and focuses on staff development and customer experience. Also modifies menu and increases prices to improve quality. Hours of business become rock-solid. Catering. Brunch menu added. Etc.
I'll answer yes. I've seen mainly Caribbean restaurants and hair salons. Some night spots and pastry shops too. However, they usually START in a mixed neighborhood and then get OVERTAKEN by gentrification and wind up in a white (read: affluent white) area. You see this in Brooklyn in Prospect Heights, Flatbush, Crown Heights, Ft. Greene, Williamsburg (read North Bushwick).
The ones that go out of business (most) usually do so for these reasons (IMHO):
(a) can't keep up with the new rent (did not purchase building when had opportunity)
(b) poor service (running out of rice and beans or curry chicken at 5pm every day, stylists not showing up)
(c) inability to integrate with new culture (stylists don't cut 'white' hair or do so poorly, presentation of food is poor - no price increase to improve facilities and food presentation)
(d) bad marketing (storefront dirty, windows dirty and poorly lit, staff rude/scary - need retraining, no coordination with neighboring businesses to achieve synergies)
(e) no delivery service / catering (owner too fatigued to properly 'work' the new environment)
(f) poor space utilization (vestiges of 'hood' mentality cause layout to be poor and uninviting, not enough ROI per sq ft. when rent increases)
However, a few business I've seen have survived by taking some of these elements into account or focusing on parts of the business that provide the most revenue.
(a) pastry shop focuses on signature foods and implements home delivery and wedding specialty catering services.
(b) hair salon becomes a 'hair studio' and seriously retails 'white' haircare products, along with an interior redesign and maximization of store frontage.
(c) Caribbean restaurant redesigns (new tables, new signage, etc) gets good looking wait staff and focuses on staff development and customer experience. Also modifies menu and increases prices to improve quality. Hours of business become rock-solid. Catering. Brunch menu added. Etc.
I own one, but my neighborhood is pretty mixed. I do mostly B2B work, but nobody knows we are white. We don't have Bio's of the leadership team up on the web site, and we have a good mix of employees that deal with the customers on a day to day basis. So far in the 2 years of operation we haven't had anyone that requested to speak to the owners and I plan on keeping it that way.
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but what is stopping us? Nothing but us. I am not so much concerned about non black neighborhoods as I am the predominantly black neighborhood. first we take care of where we live, and then we branch out incrementally as to not over extend ourselves.I've got a great idea but no capital to start with.I am tired of all these businesses in the black neighborhood that are not black owned. do you think that we would support our own if we were able to move them out?
but thats the thing koreans don't open stores in their neighborhhod first then after a few decades incrementally branch out they get off the boat or plane and open up a 40 oz and weave selling stop and go in the deepest darkest black neighborhood they can get permits and licenses for.
Whats stopping us from doing that in their neighborhood?? or a jewish neighborhood or a indian hood?
nothing is stopping us but the likelihood of failure. A black business in our neighborhood done right would be much more profitable and would be patronized. If we set up shop in their neighborhood odds are they would not patronize and thus would be a waste of money and time on our account. I know what they do, there is little resistance to them coming up and setting up shop. However, there is resistance to us. Now we could do it having some white people we hire run the register or appear to run the store, but if I were to come even with my middle class looking self I doubt the patrons would be favorable.
I'm on black people there are a ton of veterans and thus there are better in on small business loans and such that we could use, but it would be more profitable in my opinion if we started a co op system. Start with our own neighborhood and branch out from there. Doing it that way would build the capital in order to take a more lofty risk. now, if the stores in a black neighborhood are successful and I happen to overestimate the negative push our business would have in their neighborhood then it is a win win. However, if the businesses in a black neighborhood were to be a success and the extensions failed then there would still be capital profits.
this the crux of the issue right here..this is what needs to be confronted and exposed.
Phillips told McDonald that she would see to it that he would experience financial repercussions if he did not cease to pursue his dealings with Domino's. She said, "I don't like dealing with you people anyway," and that she would see to it Domino's did no further business with McDonald.
It is a sad state of affairs when you see the lack of black businesses when the population is predominantly black. This has contributed to the high unemployment rate.
I attempted to establish something and was immediately shut down with surveillance and my attempts to sell my service was blocked. I develop something related to mortgages as a trade secret it was immediately stolen and utilized without license. Clearly, these people did not want to enter into any business relationship with me.
One of the things that need to change is franchising well-known companies rather than creating a distinctive brand. It makes it difficult for a consumer to know who they're dealing with which causes them to patronize nonblack businesses.
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I dont know who you are, or what you do, but DAMN!!!
You definitely know what youre talking about.
You are essentially describing 2 things:
1. Inexperience/lack of knowledge in running a business.
2. Inability to adapt to changing conditions.
People who are successful in their small business assume that because they have achieved some financial success, they are running their business the right way. The problem is that without grasping certain business concepts, you cant begin to calculate how much money you are NOT making. In other words how much money have you left on the table due to ur lack of customer service, limited offerings, poor signage, inconsistent quality, unreliable hours of operation, etc, etc? They dont konw, they don't even realize theyre leaving money on the table.
People in the hood will and do put up with anything. Customer service isn't a requirement. There are no economic repercussions for bad customer service, poor quality goods, failure to stick to posted hours, etc. This makes inner city ghettoes a great place for a novice to start a business. U learn on the job and make money while you figure it out. But this teaches small business owners a lot of the wrong lessons about how to run a business successfully. When the neighborhood changes, they are ill-equipped to take advantage of what should be a very lucrative new demographic.
If black people aint doing the hiring, we will always be last hired, first fired.
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Before you comment on this subject, do your research, first try to find out what businesses black people tend to get into, then see how those businesses traditionally do vs big businesses and in different markets and thats just scratching the surface...
Before you start to get any conclusion on the subject your going to have to do a shit load of work, and list your sources that support your claim... Or you can just try to convince idiots with your guesses and not have any proof other than your opinion...
Before you start to get any conclusion on the subject your going to have to do a shit load of work, and list your sources that support your claim... Or you can just try to convince idiots with your guesses and not have any proof other than your opinion...
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