Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - Kobe Bryant is a clutch player

[xfactor]

So, I had a little free time today and since so many people in this thread were calling my bluff, stating that Wobe Bryant was the top clutch player in the NBA, I started to think to myself, "Hey maybe these Wobe testicle worshippers were right and I was wrong after all "

But being that I dont have long term memory problems like most Wobe crotch cowboys (Only remembering his performance against the Cavs) I looked it up, and the results were a lot different than projected...

The following data is taking from the game play-by-plays from NBA.com and is 100% accurate. This data will reflect the lakers' games from November of the 2005-2006 season:

Team Record: 5-8

Number of close games (For this thread's purposes -
lakers had a chance to win within the final 60 seconds of
the game) : 5

The play by play will start within the final seconds of the game or "crunch time" where the lakers were either in the lead, tied, or trailing by no more than 2 possessions.

Plays made by Wobe will be in Bold .

Plays made by those D-league allstars (lakers not named Wobe) in Purple.

November Plays:


LAL @ DEN - 11/2/05

4th qt -

(0:20) [LAL 89-89] Mihm Free Throw 2 of 2 (7 PTS)

Chris Mihm hits a FT to tie the game up with 20 seconds left.

(0:20) [DEN] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:20) [DEN] Martin Substitution replaced by Boykins
(0:20) [DEN] Buckner Substitution replaced by Lenard
(0:11) [DEN] Anthony Fade Away: Missed
(0:09) [LAL] George Rebound (Off:2 Def:6)
(0:09) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:09) [DEN] Lenard Substitution replaced by Martin
(0:09) [DEN] Boykins Substitution replaced by Buckner
(0:00)[LAL] Bryant Fade Away: Missed

So I guess Mr. Clutch just wanted to intentionally miss to send the game into OT to add on to his scoring average.

(0:00) [LAL] Team Rebound
(0:00) End Period

1st OT - (with 1:09 remaining)

(1:09) [DEN 93-95] Miller Free Throw 1 of 2 (8 PTS)
(1:09) [DEN] Boykins Substitution replaced by Buckner
(1:09) [DEN 94-95] Miller Free Throw 2 of 2 (9 PTS)

Andre Miller hits 2 FTs to bring the Nuggets within 1.

(0:56) [LAL] Bryant Turnover: Lost Ball (6 TO) Steal: Camby (2 ST)

Gettin ripped by a center?

(0:52) [DEN] Camby Layup Shot: Missed Block: Bryant(2 BLK)

I guess Wobe really does play D.

(0:52) [DEN 96-95] Miller Layup Shot: Made (11 PTS)
(0:52) [DEN] Miller Rebound (Off:1 Def:5)
(0:37) [DEN] Camby Foul: Personal (6 PF)
(0:37) [DEN] Camby Substitution replaced by Najera
(0:37) [LAL 96-96] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (30 PTS)
(0:37) [LAL 97-96] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (31 PTS)

Bryant knocks down 2 FTs to give the lakers the lead.

(0:37) [DEN] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:37) [DEN] Buckner Substitution replaced by Boykins
(0:22) [LAL] Odom Foul: Shooting (4 PF)
(0:22) [DEN] Boykins Substitution replaced by Buckner
(0:22) [DEN] Martin Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(0:22) [DEN] Team Rebound
(0:22) [DEN 97-97] Martin Free Throw 2 of 2 (14 PTS)
(0:22) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:07) [LAL] Brown Jump Hook: Missed
(0:03) [LAL] Brown Rebound (Off:3 Def:3)
(0:00) [LAL 99-97] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (33 PTS)
(0:00) [DEN] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:00) [DEN] Buckner Substitution replaced by Boykins
(0:00) [DEN] Lenard Jump Shot: Missed
(0:00) [DEN] Team Rebound
(0:00) End Period

So Bryant knocks down a jumper with less than a second on the clock to give the lakers a 2 pt victory on the road over the Nuggets. Well I gotta admit to you Wobe fanboys...You were right...Wobe Bryant is clutch! and I am a fraud.

But wait... There is more.

LAL @ PHI - 11/11/05

We join this game with 37 seconds remaining in the 4th qt.

76er plays in Red.

(0:37) [LAL 81-81] Bryant Running Jump: Made (17PTS)

Wobe makes a jumper with 37 seconds left to tie it up. Proving me wrong again.

(0:37) [PHL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:22) [PHL][83-81] Iverson Jump Shot: Made (32 PTS) Assist: Korver(2AST)

I couldve sworn that I've heard a numerous amount of times that that little dude from the 76ers' cant carry a team down the stretch.

(0:22) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:22) [PHL] Team Timeout: Short
(0:07) [LAL] Team Timeout: Short
(0:05) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

Ouch...Wobe misses a shot that wouldve tied the game. Showing his true big game ability.

(0:04) [PHL] Webber Rebound (Off:3 Def:6)
(0:04) [LAL] Parker Foul: Loose Ball (4 PF)
(0:04) [PHL 84-81] Iverson Free Throw 1 of 2 (33PTS)
(0:04) [PHL 85-81] Iverson Free Throw 2 of 2 (34PTS)

A.I. knocks down both FTs to make it a 2 possession game with 4 seconds left.

(0:00) [LAL] Parker Jump Shot: Missed
(0:00) [PHL] Salmons Rebound (Off:1 Def:7)
(0:00) End Period

So far the lakers are 1-1 in games decided within the final 60 seconds and Wobe is shooting 1-3 FGA in hitting potential game winning shots.. 33% makes you clutch?

CHI @ LAL - 11/20/05

Chicago plays in Red.

We join this game with 1:25 remaining in the 4th qt after Tyson Chandler fouls Lamar Odom.

(1:25) [CHI] Chandler Foul: Loose Ball (3 PF)
(1:25) [LAL 93-93] Odom Free Throw 1 of 2 (6 PTS)
(1:25) [LAL] Odom Free Throw 2 of 2 missed

Lamar Odom misses the 2nd FT with a chance to put the lakers in the lead...

(1:23) [CHI] Duhon Rebound (Off:1 Def:4)
(1:01) [CHI] Duhon Jump Shot: Missed
(0:59) [LAL] Bryant Rebound (Off:1 Def:5)
(0:42) [LAL] Bynum Layup Shot: Missed Block: Chandler (2 BLK)
(0:39) [CHI] Deng Rebound (Off:0 Def:6)

Andrew Bynum taking shots down the stretch when all world , Euro League MVP - Wobe Bryant is on the court?

(0:39) [CHI] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:39) [CHI] Nocioni Substitution replaced by Sweetney
(0:24) [LAL] Bynum Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(0:24) [CHI] Sweetney Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(0:24) [CHI] Team Rebound
(0:24) [LAL] Bynum Substitution replaced by Mihm
(0:24) [CHI 94-93] Sweetney Free Throw 2 of 2 (20 PTS)

Michael Sweetney misses 1 of 2 FTs and the lakers have the ball, down by 1 with 24 seconds. Let's watch...

(0:14) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

Damn, I just knew he was goin to make that one.

(0:13) [CHI] Chandler Rebound (Off:7 Def:8)
(0:11) [LAL] Mihm Foul: Personal (4 PF)
(0:11) [CHI 95-93] Duhon Free Throw 1 of 2 (20 PTS)
(0:11) [CHI] Sweetney Substitution replaced by Nocioni
(0:11) [CHI 96-93] Duhon Free Throw 2 of 2 (21 PTS)

So Chris Duhon makes 2 FTs to push the Bulls lead to 3. The lakers still have a chance to tie with 11 seconds left on the clock. Im almost sure they will since BGOL lemmings say the lakers have the most clutch player in the NBA on the team.

(0:11) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:11) [LAL] Mihm Substitution replaced by George
(0:02) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

@ Wobe missing another shot on his own home court.

(0:01) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:3 Def:7)
(0:00) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed
(0:00) [LAL] Team Rebound
(0:00) End Period

Are you Wobe fan boys starting to see a trend here? Well I guess not since you are too busy hugging your Wobe Bryant action figure and plotting how to get his nuts in your mouth

The lakers are now 1-2 in winnable games in November and the 'most clutch player' in the NBA is now 1-5 FGA when a make puts the lakers in the lead or tie.

But wait, there's more...

NJ @ LAL - 11/27/05

Is it another chance for redemption for Wobe?

Nets plays in Blue.

4th qt -

(0:12) [NJN] Kidd Foul: Personal (3 PF)

J. Kidd fouls Wobe with 12 seconds on the clock with the lakers down by 3.

(0:12) [LAL 88-90] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (44 PTS)
(0:12) [NJN] McInnis Substitution replaced by M. Jackson
(0:12) [LAL 89-90] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (45 PTS)
(0:12) [NJN] Team Timeout: Short
(0:12) [NJN] M. Jackson Substitution replaced by McInnis
(0:12) [LAL] Walton Foul: Personal (4 PF)
(0:12) [NJN] Kidd Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(0:12) [NJN] Team Rebound
(0:12) [NJN 91-89] Kidd Free Throw 2 of 2 (30 PTS)

J. Kidd misses a FT leaving it a 2 pt game and the lakers have the ball with 12 seconds left. I am 100% sure that the league's MDP will come through for the team.

(0:02) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed
(0:01) [LAL] Cook Rebound (Off:3 Def:1)
(0:00) [LAL 91-91] Cook Jump Shot: Made (10 PTS)
(0:00) [TBD] Instant Replay: Support Ruling
(0:00) End Period

So you BGOL experts are saying... With the lakers down by a bucket with 12 seconds left and the best player in the NBA on the team, a bum like Lamar Odom is taking the last shot? Good thing that Big-10 Phony Brian Cook bailed him out or it wouldve been another loss at home by the lakers.

1st OT -

Joining OT with 3 minutes left so let's see how Mr. Clutch does down the stretch.

(3:06) [LAL] Parker Foul: Shooting (4 PF)
(3:06) [NJN] Kidd Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(3:06) [NJN] Team Rebound
(3:06) [NJN 96-93] Kidd Free Throw 2 of 2 (33 PTS)
(2:53) [NJN] McInnis Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(2:42) [LAL] Walton Turnaround Jump: Missed
(2:40) [NJN] Carter Rebound (Off:0 Def:5)
(2:23) [NJN 98-93] McInnis Running Jump: Made (10PTS) Assist: Kidd (12 AST)
(2:06) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

Down by 5, Wobe jacks another brick...

(2:03) [LAL] Cook Rebound (Off:4 Def:1)
(2:00) [NJN] Vaughn Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(1:49) [LAL] Cook Layup Shot: Missed
(1:49) [LAL 95-98] Cook Tip Shot: Made (14 PTS)

That Big-10 reject from Illinois makes another big play?

(1:49) [LAL] Cook Rebound (Off:5 Def:1)
(1:33) [NJN] Kidd Layup Shot: Missed
(1:32) [NJN] Robinson Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(1:29) [NJN 100-95] Robinson Jump Shot: Made (8 PTS)
(1:19) [LAL] Walton Foul: Offensive (5 PF)
(1:19) [LAL] Walton Turnover: Foul (2 TO)
(1:14) [NJN 102-95] Kidd Driving Layup: Made (35PTS) Assist: Robinson (AST)
(1:11) [NJN] Kidd Foul: Personal (5 PF)
(1:11) [LAL] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 missed

Mr. Clutch missing important FTs in the 4th qt?

(1:11) [LAL] Team Rebound
(1:11) [LAL 96-102] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (46PTS)
(0:48) [NJN] McInnis Jump Shot: Missed
(0:45) [LAL] Walton Rebound (Off:3 Def:4)
(0:36) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed
(0:34) [NJN] McInnis Rebound (Off:1 Def:2)
(0:11) [NJN] Kidd Jump Shot: Missed
(0:10) [LAL] Cook Rebound (Off:5 Def:2)
(0:09) [LAL] Bryant Turnover: Traveling (5 TO)

@ the best player in the NBA getting called for traveling when the game was still within reach.

(0:00) End Period

For those of you still keeping score, the lakers are now 1-3 in games in November that were winnable for them down the stretch and your hero Wobe Bryant is now 1-5 FGA where a make puts the lakers in the lead or ties with 2 TOs

But wait...November isnt over yet...

Is the proof too much for you to handle yet?

LAL @ SAS - 11/29/05

Spurs plays in Silver.

We join this game with 2:36 left in the 4th qt...

(2:36) Timeout: Official
(2:27) [LAL 78-83] Vujacic Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS) Assist: Odom (3 AST)
(2:27) [SAN] T. Parker Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(2:27) [SAN] Nesterovic Substitution replaced by Finley
(2:27) [LAL] Mihm Substitution replaced by Bynum
(2:27) [LAL 79-83] Vujacic Free Throw 1 of 1 (10PTS)
(2:01) [SAN] Finley Jump Shot: Missed
(1:59) [LAL] Bryant Rebound (Off:1 Def:3)
(1:51) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot:Missed Block:Ginobili (2 BLK)

@ Wobe gettin swatted by his Euro counterpart Emmanuel Ginobili

(1:48) [SAN] Finley Rebound (Off:1 Def:1)
(1:35) [LAL] Bynum Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(1:35) [SAN 84-79] Ginobili Free Throw 1 of 2 (21PTS)
(1:35) [SAN 85-79] Ginobili Free Throw 2 of 2 (22PTS)
(1:16) [LAL] Bryant Layup Shot: Missed

Mr. Clutch missing easy lay-ups down the stretch? I couldve sworn about 50 BGOL members said up in down that NOBODY in the NBA was more clutch than Wobe.

(1:15) [SAN] Finley Rebound (Off:1 Def:2)
(1:15) [LAL] Odom Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(1:15) [SAN 86-79] Finley Free Throw 1 of 2 (11 PTS)
(1:15) [SAN 87-79] Finley Free Throw 2 of 2 (12 PTS)

Thanks to Wobe, the lead is growing larger and larger...

(1:15) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(1:15) [LAL] McKie Substitution replaced by Walton
(1:15) [LAL] Bynum Substitution replaced by Mihm
(1:06) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

Ok...Im starting to laugh now...

(1:04) [LAL] Vujacic Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(1:00) [LAL 82-87] Odom Jump Shot: Made (25 PTS) Assist: Vujacic (3 AST)

What is that bum doing taking Wobe's shine hitting big buckets when they count?

(0:46) [LAL] Vujacic Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(0:46) [SAN] Ginobili Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(0:46) [SAN] Team Rebound
(0:46) [SAN] Ginobili Free Throw 2 of 2 missed

Wobe's counterpart Emmanuel Ginobili misses 2 FTs... failing to make it a 3 possession game with 46 seconds left.

(0:45) [LAL] Walton Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(0:39) [SAN] Bowen Foul: Personal (4 PF)
(0:25) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

Maybe that was Old Phoenix Sun's C Mark Bryant taking those shots.

(0:23) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:8 Def:7)
(0:23) [LAL 84-87] Odom Layup Shot: Made (27 PTS)

Lamar bails Wobe and the team out by making it a 1 possession game with 23 ticks left.

(0:15) [LAL] Mihm Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(0:15) [SAN 88-84] Duncan Free Throw 1 of 2 (14 PTS)
(0:15) [SAN 89-84] Duncan Free Throw 2 of 2 (15 PTS)

TD makes 2 FTs to make it a 2 possession game again. 15 seconds left, lakers' ball...All world Wobe on the team...This game cant be over yet...

(0:15) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:07) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

Whats that sounds? Oh, just a bunch of hearts breaking from the BGOL Wobe fanboys seeing how much of a fraud their hero is.

(0:04) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:9 Def:7)
(0:03) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed
(0:02) [SAN] Duncan Rebound (Off:0 Def:9)
(0:02) [LAL] Mihm Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(0:02) [SAN] Duncan Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(0:02) [SAN] Team Rebound
(0:02) [SAN 90-84] Duncan Free Throw 2 of 2 (16 PTS)
(0:00) End Period

So, we will now recap what has happened here:

The lakers finish the month of November with a 1-4 record in games that were winnable for them ( 0-2 at home and 1-2 on the road ).

The 'most clutch player' in the NBA goes a whopping 1-6 FGA down the stretch where a make would have given the lakers' the lead or would have tied the game with 3 TOs. And a mind boggling 2-12 FGA total down the stretch.

Since both of those only equal out to a 16.7 % FGA Im guessing that since Wobe is the 'most clutch' player in the NBA...anyone shooting about 16.7% FGA or better down the stretch should go to the hall of fame (Using the local BGOL resident basketball scholar thinking )

@ you idiots that think Wobe is clutch.

The proof is right there yet Im sure you imbeciles will still be in denial.

*Ding Ding Ding*

"Turn out the lights....The party's over" *In "Slick" from the old WWF's voice.


xfactor - 1

BGOL basketball dimwits and Wobe groupies - 0

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[Makkonnen]

i didnt realize Toby was a first year player.

Do the same thing for all playoff series games including the 3 years the Lakers won championships.

Do that and show the same pattern and maybe someone will find you more believable.

 

[cranrab]

it's a damn shame...

yes, i said it... it's a damn shame for SO many reasons...

1) cats can have their televisions on, but that doesn't mean they WATCH the games... even if their eyeballs were glued to the television, it doesn't mean they understand what they're seeing... they might as well be watching figure skating or gymnastics...

2) it's sad that so many fanboys have to be administered remedial basketball education just to get to a point where their nonsensical opinions barely become arguable positions...

3) because if they can't understand what they SEE unfold before their eyes on the court, THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL the fanboys can understand what written in unabridged text...

here's what charlie rosen had to say about tobe's D during the heat game:

Kobe was dominant on offense, and a patsy on defense.

At the same time, his defense is getting worse and worse. He reacted passively to every screen set in his vicinity — making no effort to get through, get over, or even get under. Whenever possible, Kobe leaned into the passing lanes. If he did intercept one pass, he also lost a pair of gambles that directly led to one basket scored by the bad guys as well as a foul being called on Kwame Brown.

Throughout the game, Wade obliterated Bryant's faux defense on fourteen separate occasions. (Kobe only played forceful defense against Wade on a single possession.) His lapses didn't all result in scores by Wade (11-24, 7 assists, 34 points). Some led to assist-passes, some to passes to wide-open teammates who proceeded to miss open shots or were fouled. Bryant also turned his head on numerous occasions — thereby allowing Wade a backdoor cut that turned into a dunk. Another neck-twister permitted Gary Payton to run out, corral a lead pass, and score a layup.

ho hum... more of same...

 

[Complex]

Re: it's a damn shame...

This is one of the gayest threads I've ever seen on BGOL.

This dude has posted this 3 times

Talk about obsessed

 

[cranrab]

now that you're here...

This is one of the gayest threads I've ever seen on BGOL.

This dude has posted this 3 times

Talk about obsessed

who posted three times?

but you're right... now that you've entered the thread, your presence has made it the GAYEST...

 

[Complex]

Re: now that you're here...

Damn, that was funny. It literally made me fall out of my seat. Oh yeah, you're supposed to be pretending you have a job remember Tommy

 

[xfactor]

Re: it's a damn shame...

i didnt realize Toby was a first year player.

Do the same thing for all playoff series games including the 3 years the Lakers won championships.

Do that and show the same pattern and maybe someone will find you more believable.

Makk,

If I had (or were to go back and look) at data from previous seasons, it would be more of the same. Now mind you, I didnt even look at December so it could have been even worse.

A clutch player is clutch because of his ability to elevate his game towards the end and play better than he usually is. Wobe is not that player and fans get confused because he will make the occasional big shot (Cleveland) but they are quick to forget when he misses the big shot (4 games alone in November '05).

I give Wobe credit for wanting to take the big shot, too bad he misses it more times than not.

3) because if they can't understand what they SEE unfold before their eyes on the court, THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL the fanboys can understand what written in unabridged text...

Exactly... And some people swear they actually played basketball in their life. Yet dont even have a basic/elementary understanding of it.
Proving the average fan of today binge watches Sportscenter and thinks he's a guru.

This is one of the gayest threads I've ever seen on BGOL.

This dude has posted this 3 times

Talk about obsessed

I posted it twice (once as a reply in the "Kobe Bryant Sucks" thread and here to starts it own thread).

But Im glad it finally showed you and your fellow groupies how inept you are when it comes to basketball.

Nobody could refute the evidence...Nobody could counter the argument...All you could do was say 'Go get some pussy' or 'This thread is gay'

I know your self esteem plummeted from the exposure but dont worry...I got a suggestion for your new favorite player and future hero...

Ray Allen

 

[Havoc]

So, I had a little free time today and since so many people in this thread were calling my bluff, stating that Wobe Bryant was the top clutch player in the NBA, I started to think to myself, "Hey maybe these Wobe testicle worshippers were right and I was wrong after all "

But being that I dont have long term memory problems like most Wobe crotch cowboys (Only remembering his performance against the Cavs) I looked it up, and the results were a lot different than projected...

The following data is taking from the game play-by-plays from NBA.com and is 100% accurate. This data will reflect the lakers' games from November of the 2005-2006 season:

The proof is right there yet Im sure you imbeciles will still be in denial.

*Ding Ding Ding*

"Turn out the lights....The party's over" *In "Slick" from the old WWF's voice.

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"Free time" my ass. You know you had this posted in notepad ever since the season began and updated it after each game!

You based all of this on this season alone- why? Over the course of his career, Kobe has been a clutch player. There's a reason why he's double/tripled teamed at the end of most of his close games.

 

[xfactor]

"Free time" my ass. You know you had this posted in notepad ever since the season began and updated it after each game!

Not really... I simply went to NBA.com a few days ago when I had time off, looked up laker games that were close (whether W or L) and cut and pasted the play by plays from it and added commentary... Only took about 30 minutes.

You based all of this on this season alone- why? Over the course of his career, Kobe has been a clutch player. There's a reason why he's double/tripled teamed at the end of most of his close games.

This is the only season I had the data... Like I told Makk, I didnt even look up December (Which could have been better or worse...Im guessing the latter)

Sorry that the thread hurt your feelings but the truth hurts sometimes. I hope you arent implying that he was clutch and now he isnt...Or then that would bring up the argument that because of Shaq, he was better than he is now (Which is true). So just take it as a loss like the rest of your groupie friends and realize that Wobe is a good scorer, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[TrojansFan]

Not really... I simply went to NBA.com a few days ago when I had time off, looked up laker games that were close (whether W or L) and cut and pasted the play by plays from it and added commentary... Only took about 30 minutes.

Hey X,

THIS IS JANUARY (ALMOST FEBRUARY) WHY DID YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO NOVEMBER TO GET YOUR STATS??? TRY AND KEEP IT CURRENT, OR IS IT WHEN YOU LOOKED AT RECENT GAMES YOU DIDN'T FIND ANY DATA TO PROVE YOUR POINT SO YOU WENT BACK AND BACK UNTIL YOU DID? get a life

 

[cranrab]

Re: Dispelling the myths: kings v. fakers

TRY AND KEEP IT CURRENT, OR IS IT WHEN YOU LOOKED AT RECENT GAMES YOU DIDN'T FIND ANY DATA TO PROVE YOUR POINT SO YOU WENT BACK AND BACK UNTIL YOU DID?[/B]

the man asked for CURRENT, so how 'bout tonight's matchup with the sacramento kings... you know, that team that's currently IN THE CELLAR OF THE PACIFIC DIVISION?

MYTH 1: tobe guards the opponent's best scorer

so who did tobe guard this evening? mike bibby? predrag stoyakovic? shareef abdur rahim?

no, tobe defended kevin martin and rookie francisco garcia. tobe must've shut them down, huh? no, not really. kevin martin went 3-4 FGAs and francisco garcia went 4-7 FGAs...

MYTH 2: the fakers can't play when tobe's not on the floor

(0:00) [SAC 27-31] Abdur-Rahim Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Stojakovic (1 AS
(0:00) [TBD] Instant Replay: Support Ruling
(0:00) End Period

2nd Period
(11:46) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed
(11:44) [SAC] Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:5)
(11:37) [LAL] Odom Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(11:25) [SAC] Abdur-Rahim Jump Hook: Missed
(11:23) [LAL] George Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(11:09) [LAL] Odom Jump Hook: Missed
(11:07) [SAC] Bibby Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(10:51) [SAC] Abdur-Rahim Turnover: Lost Ball Out of Bounds (1 TO)
(10:41) [LAL 33-27] Odom Running Jump: Made (2 PTS)
(10:20) [SAC] Thomas Jump Shot: Missed
(10:18) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(10:09) [LAL] Odom Turnover: Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal: Bibby (1 ST)
(10:06) [LAL] Vujacic Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(10:06) [SAC 28-33] Thomas Free Throw 1 of 2 (5 PTS)
(10:06) [SAC 29-33] Thomas Free Throw 2 of 2 (6 PTS)
(9:47) [LAL 35-29] Vujacic Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Mihm (1 AST)
(9:33) [SAC] Bibby Hook Shot: Missed
(9:31) [LAL] Mihm Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(9:24) [LAL] George Jump Shot: Missed
(9:22) [SAC] Bibby Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(9:18) [SAC] Thomas Jump Shot: Missed
(9:17) [SAC] Garcia Rebound (Off:1 Def:0)
(9:13) [SAC 32-35] Garcia Jump Shot: Made (3 PTS)
(9:04) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(9:04) [SAC] Bibby Substitution replaced by Martin
(9:04) [SAC] Abdur-Rahim Substitution replaced by Miller
(8:53) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed
(8:52) [SAC] Team Rebound
(8:52) [LAL] George Foul: Loose Ball (2 PF)
(8:32) [SAC 34-35] Martin Jump Shot: Made (4 PTS)
(8:12) [SAC] Hart Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(8:07) [SAC] Martin Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(8:07) [SAC] Martin Substitution replaced by Stojakovic
(8:05) [LAL] Odom Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal: Thomas (1 ST)
(7:51) [SAC 36-35] Hart Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Thomas (3 AST)
(7:31) [LAL 38-36] George Jump Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Vujacic (2 AST)
(7:12) [SAC] Garcia Jump Shot: Missed
(7:10) [SAC] Thomas Rebound (Off:1 Def:5)
(7:08) [SAC 38-38] Thomas Reverse Layup: Made (8 PTS)
(6:38) [LAL 40-38] Odom Driving Layup: Made (4 PTS)
(6:25) [SAC] Garcia Jump Shot: Missed
(6:23) [LAL] Mihm Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(6:10) [LAL 42-38] Parker Layup Shot: Made (4 PTS) Assist: George (2 AST)
(6:02) [SAC] Team Timeout: Regular
(6:02) [LAL] Odom Substitution replaced by Bryant

WOW. SIX minutes. HALF a quarter, and the fakers held their 4 point lead. the fakers didn't implode. it must've been a fluke. let's see what happened the next time tobe sat.

4th Period
(11:45) [SAC 76-76] Thomas Layup Shot: Made (10 PTS)
(11:29) [LAL 78-76] Odom Driving Layup: Made (11 PTS)
(11:13) [SAC] Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
(11:11) [LAL] Brown Rebound (Off:2 Def:5)
(10:52) [LAL 80-76] George Turnaround Jump: Made (8 PTS)
(10:31) [SAC 79-80] Bibby Jump Shot: Made (20 PTS) Assist: Abdur-Rahim (1 AST)
(10:13) [SAC] Thomas Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(10:13) [SAC] Stojakovic Substitution replaced by Garcia
(10:13) [SAC] Thomas Substitution replaced by Miller
(10:13) [LAL 81-79] Brown Free Throw 1 of 2 (5 PTS)
(10:13) [LAL 82-79] Brown Free Throw 2 of 2 (6 PTS)
(9:56) [LAL] Odom Foul: Shooting (4 PF)
(9:56) [SAC 80-82] Abdur-Rahim Free Throw 1 of 2 (10 PTS)
(9:56) [SAC 81-82] Abdur-Rahim Free Throw 2 of 2 (11 PTS)
(9:44) [LAL 84-81] Brown Jump Hook: Made (8 PTS) Assist: Odom (6 AST)
(9:21) [SAC] Hart Jump Shot: Missed
(9:20) [LAL] Brown Rebound (Off:2 Def:6)
(9:08) [LAL 87-81] Vujacic Jump Shot: Made (5 PTS) Assist: Parker (4 AST)
(9:05) [SAC] Team Timeout: Regular
(9:05) [LAL] Parker Substitution replaced by Bryant

WHAT? with tobe on the bench (where he belongs), the fakers INCREASED their lead from 2 points to 6 points.

just for shits and giggles, let's see what happened to that SIX point lead when tobe returned.

(8:48) [SAC] Miller Jump Shot: Missed
(8:46) [LAL] Vujacic Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(8:41) [LAL 89-81] Odom Layup Shot: Made (13 PTS) Assist: Vujacic (3 AST)
(8:22) [SAC 83-89] Bibby Jump Shot: Made (22 PTS) Assist: Abdur-Rahim (2 AST)
(8:03) [LAL] Odom Running Jump: Missed
(8:02) [SAC] Hart Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(7:56) [SAC 86-89] Bibby Jump Shot: Made (25 PTS) Assist: Hart (3 AST)
(7:37) [LAL] George Jump Shot: Missed
(7:35) [SAC] Miller Rebound (Off:1 Def:4)
(7:32) [LAL] Vujacic Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(7:32) [SAC] Hart Substitution replaced by Martin
(7:27) [SAC] Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
(7:25) [LAL] George Rebound (Off:1 Def:4)
(7:05) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(7:04) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:1 Def:9)
(7:03) [SAC] Abdur-Rahim Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(7:03) [SAC] Abdur-Rahim Substitution replaced by Thomas
(7:02) [LAL] Brown Foul: Offensive (2 PF)
(7:02) [LAL] Brown Turnover: Foul (2 TO)
(6:49) [SAC 88-89] Miller Layup Shot: Made (10 PTS) Assist: Thomas (7 AST)
(6:22) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(6:20) [SAC] Thomas Rebound (Off:2 Def:9)
(6:06) [SAC] Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
(6:04) [SAC] Garcia Rebound (Off:2 Def:0)
(6:01) [SAC 91-89] Bibby Jump Shot: Made (28 PTS) Assist: Miller (3 AST)

so 2:47 (and 2 bricks by tobe) later, not only was the fakers lead completely erased, but they also found themselves DOWN by 2.

MYTH 3: tobe is clutch

1st Overtime
(5:00) Miller Jump Ball Miller vs Brown
(4:44) [SAC] Stojakovic Jump Shot: Missed
(4:42) [LAL] Parker Rebound (Off:1 Def:1)
(4:21) [LAL] Bryant Fade Away: Missed
(4:20) [SAC] Team Rebound
(4:04) [LAL] Odom Foul: Personal (6 PF)
(4:04) [LAL] Odom Substitution replaced by Walton
(3:59) [SAC] Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
(3:58) [LAL] Bryant Rebound (Off:0 Def:9)
(3:48) [LAL] George Jump Shot: Missed
(3:47) [SAC] Garcia Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)
(3:37) [SAC 107-104] Bibby Jump Shot: Made (38 PTS) Assist: Stojakovic (3 AST)
(3:10) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(3:08) [SAC] Thomas Rebound (Off:2 Def:10)
(2:55) [SAC] Thomas Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO)
(2:30) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(2:28) [SAC] Miller Rebound (Off:1 Def:8)
(2:15) [SAC 109-104] Thomas Reverse Layup: Made (12 PTS) Assist: Bibby (6 AST)
(2:07) [LAL] Bryant Turnover: Lost Ball Out of Bounds (4 TO)
(1:52) [SAC 111-104] Thomas Jump Hook: Made (14 PTS)
(1:52) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(1:52) [LAL] Brown Substitution replaced by Cook
(1:43) [LAL 107-111] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (49 PTS) Assist: George (3 AST)
(1:25) [SAC 113-107] Thomas Layup Shot: Made (16 PTS)
(1:14) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(1:12) [SAC] Bibby Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(0:54) [SAC 116-107] Garcia Jump Shot: Made (11 PTS) Assist: Thomas (10 AST)
(0:48) [LAL 109-116] Bryant Driving Layup: Made (51 PTS)
(0:44) [LAL] Parker Foul: Personal (5 PF)
(0:26) [LAL] George Foul: Personal (4 PF)
(0:26) [SAC 117-109] Bibby Free Throw 1 of 2 (39 PTS)
(0:26) [SAC 118-109] Bibby Free Throw 2 of 2 (40 PTS)
(0:26) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:22) [LAL] Cook Jump Shot: Missed
(0:20) [LAL] George Rebound (Off:2 Def:4)
(0:17) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(0:15) [LAL] Parker Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(0:13) [LAL] Parker Jump Shot: Missed
(0:11) [SAC] Miller Rebound (Off:1 Def:9)
(0:00) End Period

WOW. FIVE missed FGAs and 1 TO in OT is sooooo very CLUTCH.

 

[cranrab]

Science

ORIGINALLY POSTED ON 12/8

"the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD..."

so how did tobe sabotage the fakers this evening?

17-35 FGAs with 2 PFs and 4 TOs.

that's 20+ additional possessions for the sacramento kings thanks to tobe.

 

[Clever]

As a known Kobe hater, I've got to give the man his props for the last week and a half. Kobe has been consistant in point production, WHILE maintaining a high FG% and FTA. He has also been distributing the ball more IN THE FIRST HALF of games before he goes into ball hawk mode, which is why the Lakers are on a little run.

But, why does Kobe overplay the pass so much and go for the steal instead of playing straight up hard-nosed D? I've seen him overplay the pass and get beat to the hoop then the help D has to come over then that leaves someone wide open under the basket. I dont understand why he does that.

 

[Makkonnen]

cranrab- cmon luke walton and lamar tanked that game with some help from phil's 'let em play it out' bullshit
toby took awful shitty shots in the end because of the way shit went down

lamar started playin like he had no fuckin sense with that charge with 24 seconds to go and a good 18 seconds on the shot clock up by 4- stupid shit - luke "no d" walton gettin schooled by shitty kenny thomas that shit had me pissed put brian cook on that faggot - that bitch couldnt even post up lamar but did luke up like he was olajuwon or some shit 6 fuckin unanswered points
smh

that game fuckin disintegrated because the whole laker squad lacks maturity and discipline
stupid shit too cuz they could have fed kwame down low most of the night and beat the shit outta the queens
toby is stupid though he thinks its 1 on 5 for real cuz he doesnt trust anyone on that team- triple teamed and still jackin it up shit had me mad as hell - someone has to be open besides luke to pass it to- fuckin puke walton puttin up airballs from 3

the lakers need a legit point guard that is a vet who can run shit cuz toby acts like a 5yr old girl
pathetic
defensive rebounding was outstanding though and devean george should be more involved in the O as youve said before
im glad i can watch detroit play real ball - these bitch niggas are defiling the Laker name

 

[Makkonnen]

As a known Kobe hater, I've got to give the man his props for the last week and a half. Kobe has been consistant in point production, WHILE maintaining a high FG% and FTA. He has also been distributing the ball more IN THE FIRST HALF of games before he goes into ball hawk mode, which is why the Lakers are on a little run.

But, why does Kobe overplay the pass so much and go for the steal instead of playing straight up hard-nosed D? I've seen him overplay the pass and get beat to the hoop then the help D has to come over then that leaves someone wide open under the basket. I dont understand why he does that.

he does that shit cuz toby is a 5yr old lil gurl who just watched the power puff girls and thinks she's a superhero - he takes stupid fuckin chances doin dumbshit on both sides of the court
im gettin tired of his bullshit- if your teammates suck ok but thats no excuse to play like an idiot

 

[cranrab]

Re: Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - tobe Bryant is a clutch player

toby took awful shitty shots in the end because of the way shit went down

tobe went 2-7 FGAs in OT. tobe's impatience with the O (or with the other fakers) is no excuse for those brutal bricks he was chucking.

an AP writer observed this:

Bryant played the entire first quarter and demanded the ball on almost every possession. He finished the first half with 26 points, but grew visibly frustrated with his teammates -- particularly Odom -- when they didn't pass to him every time down the court.

Luke Walton got an earful from Bryant after the third quarter ended, but Garcia's defense was the real reason for Bryant's relative ineffectiveness.

lamar started playin like he had no fuckin sense with that charge with 24 seconds to go and a good 18 seconds on the shot clock up by 4

that WAS most definitely a herb smoker play. my boy b shaw was the 1st one off the bench to tell him so too. at the same time, lamar odom was also the person who gave the fakers a 5 pt lead by hitting the big 3 with 35 seconds to play.

luke "no d" walton gettin schooled by shitty kenny thomas

luke walton had NO chance against kenny thomas in the post. a soft SF against a TRUE PF? NO chance. and kenny thomas isn't shitty.

put brian cook on that faggot

brian cook must've fucked jeannie buss or coach jackson's daughter last week, 'cause he only saw 5 minutes. FIVE minutes of tick for a player that used to START. have you noticed that cookie has only been averaging 5 minutes per GAME since last week?



and kenny thomas is no faggot.

that game fuckin disintegrated because the whole laker squad lacks maturity and discipline

as you know, i disagree. tobe lacks maturity, discipline, focus, and MOST OF ALL, a FEEL FOR THE GAME.

as noted in my post above, the fakers played well enough +4 w/o tobe on the floor. but even IF we were to assume the fakers are immature and undisciplined, THE ONLY WAY TO CORRECT THAT WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE PLAYERS TO PLAY.

and as i've pointed out (perhaps ad nauseum), tobe won't/can't allow that to happen.

they could have fed kwame down low most of the night

i'm glad you mentioned kwame 'hands of stone' brown. did you see william parker and tobe literally GIVE UP on him? kwame got a few good feeds for potential lay ups, but couldn't handle the delivery. i don't know if kwame just has bad hands, isn't prepared (hands low, poor mechanics), or if it's a cognitive problem (poor anticipation), but WHATEVER the problem is, it negatively impacts his time on the floor.

toby is stupid though he thinks its 1 on 5 for real cuz he doesnt trust anyone on that team

tobe needs to watch the ORIGINAL 'bad news bears' from 1976. it MIGHT be simple for him enough to absorb the lessons of what it means to be a TEAM player.

 

[Complex]

Re: Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - tobe Bryant is a clutch player

The Lakers are 0-7 when Odom shoots over 15 times. So what does that mean

 

[cranrab]

Re: Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - tobe Bryant is a clutch player

The Lakers are 0-7 when Odom shoots over 15 times. So what does that mean

it means stop reaching with stupid ass bullshit...

how many games the fakers won w/o tobe (post shaquille o'neal)?

how many games the fakers won w/o lamar odom?

damn, that must be a hard pill to swallow...

FYI, lamar odom attempted 15 FGAs last night. do you know that tobe MISSED more FGAs than lamar odom ATTEMPTED? you must think that's how HEALTHY teams operate. still scratching your head over why they lost?

 

[cranrab]

Advanced Team Basketball 101

leave the villification of lamar odom at the door. the TRUTH is that the fakers lost last night's game in Q1. the reason? tobe's STUPID play.

MYTH 1: tobe shoots more FGAs when his teammates are ineffectual.

take a look at when tobe is jacking up shots and you'll see the FGAs are NOT hot-potatoe'd, frustration shots with the shot clock winding down... tobe simply abandons the O and leaves teammates hanging.

TRUTH: tobe renders his teammates ineffectual when he shoots more FGAs.

1st Period
(12:00) Miller Jump Ball Miller vs Mihm
(11:41) [SAC] Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
(11:39) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(11:23) [LAL 2-0] Bryant Turnaround Jump: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Odom (1 AST)

16 seconds after change of possession AND an assisted score. GOOD basketball.

(11:03) [SAC] Stojakovic Jump Shot: Missed
(11:01) [LAL] Bryant Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(10:55) [LAL 4-0] Bryant Driving Layup: Made (4 PTS)

6 seconds after change of possession. hmmm...

(10:31) [SAC 2-4] Miller Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Thomas (1 AST)
(10:07) [LAL 6-2] Mihm Layup Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Brown (1 AST)
(10:07) [SAC] Miller Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(10:07) [LAL 7-2] Mihm Free Throw 1 of 1 (3 PTS)

2 minutes into the game. 2 fakers have attempted FGAs, while 3 kings have attempted FGAs...

(9:58) [SAC] Miller Jump Shot: Missed
(9:57) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(9:51) [LAL 9-2] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (6 PTS)

6 seconds after change of possession. hmmm...

(9:34) [SAC] Miller Jump Shot: Missed
(9:32) [LAL] Bryant Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(9:26) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

6 seconds after change of possession. hmmm...

(9:25) [LAL] Brown Rebound (Off:1 Def:0)
(9:25) [SAC] Thomas Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(9:18) [LAL] Bryant Foul: Offensive (1 PF)
(9:18) [LAL] Bryant Turnover: Foul (1 TO)

7 seconds after change of possession tobe pulls an offensive charging call on his way to another FGA. hmmm...

(9:04) [SAC] Thomas Driving Layup: Missed Block: Mihm (1 BLK)
(9:04) [LAL] Team Rebound
(8:53) [LAL] Parker Turnover: Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal: Miller (1 ST)
(8:47) [SAC 4-9] Martin Dunk Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Bibby (1 AST)

STOP. 3:13 into Q1 and EVERY kings starter has attempted an FGA. faker too, right? HELL NAW...

(8:31) [LAL] Brown Jump Shot: Missed

16 seconds into the O. the fakers actually stuck with it.

(8:30) [SAC] Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(8:22) [SAC 6-9] Miller Layup Shot: Made (4 PTS) Assist: Bibby (2 AST)
(8:09) [LAL] Parker Jump Shot: Missed

13 seconds into the O. the fakers actually stuck with it.

(8:07) [SAC] Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(7:59) [LAL] Brown Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(7:59) [SAC 7-9] Bibby Free Throw 1 of 2 (1 PTS)
(7:59) [SAC 8-9] Bibby Free Throw 2 of 2 (2 PTS)
(7:42) [LAL] Mihm Jump Shot: Missed

17 seconds into the O. the fakers actually stuck with it.

(7:41) [SAC] Stojakovic Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(7:32) [SAC 10-9] Thomas Driving Layup: Made (2 PTS)
(7:22) [SAC] Martin Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(7:15) [LAL 11-10] Parker Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS)
(7:01) [SAC 12-11] Thomas Layup Shot: Made (4 PTS) Assist: Miller (1 AST)
(6:46) [LAL] Mihm Jump Hook: Missed

15 seconds into the O. the fakers actually stuck with it.

(6:44) [SAC] Stojakovic Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(6:37) [SAC 14-11] Miller Layup Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Bibby (3 AST)
(6:18) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed

WAIT. 5:42 into Q1 and ALL THE FAKERS have finally tallied FGAs? hell, no surprise lamar odom missed his 1st FGA.

(6:17) [SAC] Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(6:14) [SAC] Bibby Turnover: Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal: Brown (1 ST)
(6:09) [LAL] Parker Layup Shot: Missed
(6:08) [LAL] Parker Rebound (Off:1 Def:0)
(5:56) [LAL] Parker Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal: Martin (1 ST)
(5:51) [SAC] Martin Driving Layup: Missed
(5:50) [SAC] Stojakovic Rebound (Off:1 Def:2)
(5:50) [LAL] Parker Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(5:50) [SAC] Team Timeout: Regular
(5:50) [SAC 15-11] Stojakovic Free Throw 1 of 2 (1 PTS)
(5:50) [SAC 16-11] Stojakovic Free Throw 2 of 2 (2 PTS)
(5:29) [LAL] Mihm Jump Hook: Missed
(5:27) [SAC] Miller Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(5:20) [SAC] Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
(5:20) [SAC] Team Rebound
(5:20) [LAL] Odom Foul: Loose Ball (1 PF)
(5:15) [SAC] Stojakovic Jump Shot: Missed
(5:13) [LAL] Brown Rebound (Off:1 Def:1)
(4:53) [LAL 14-16] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS) Assist: Brown (2 AST)

WOW. deja vu. the fakers went 20 seconds into the O and got an assisted goal.

(4:33) [SAC] Stojakovic Turnover: Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal: Parker (1 ST)
(4:27) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

5 seconds after change of possession. hmmm...

(4:25) [SAC] Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(4:16) [SAC 19-14] Bibby Jump Shot: Made (5 PTS) Assist: Thomas (2 AST)
(4:04) [SAC] Miller Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(4:04) [LAL] Brown Substitution replaced by George
(4:04) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(4:04) [SAC] Miller Substitution replaced by Abdur-Rahim
(4:04) [LAL] Mihm Substitution replaced by Brown
(3:58) [LAL 16-19] Brown Layup Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Odom (2 AST)

WOW. another assisted goal coming off a timeout. GOOD basketball.

(3:41) [SAC] Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
(3:39) [LAL] Bryant Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(3:28) [LAL 19-19] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (12 PTS) Assist: George (1 AST)

WOW. deja vu. the fakers went 11 seconds into the O and got an assisted goal. GOOD basketball.

(3:12) [SAC] Martin Foul: Offensive (2 PF)
(3:12) [SAC] Martin Turnover: Foul (1 TO)
(3:12) [LAL] Parker Substitution replaced by Vujacic
(3:12) [SAC] Martin Substitution replaced by Garcia
(2:59) [SAC] Garcia Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(2:59) [LAL 20-19] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (13 PTS)
(2:59) [LAL 21-19] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (14 PTS)

13 seconds into the O. tobe earns a trip to the stripe.

(2:38) [SAC] Thomas Turnover: Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal: George (1 ST)
(2:33) [LAL] Bryant Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal: Abdur-Rahim (1 ST)
(2:25) [SAC] Bibby Driving Layup: Missed Block: George (1 BLK)
(2:24) [LAL] Bryant Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(2:17) [LAL 23-19] Bryant Driving Layup: Made (16 PTS)

6 seconds after change of possession. hmmm...

(1:57) [SAC 21-23] Stojakovic Jump Shot: Made (4 PTS) Assist: Bibby (4 AST)
(1:40) [LAL] Vujacic Jump Shot: Missed

17 seconds into the O. the fakers actually stuck with it.

(1:38) [LAL] Brown Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(1:33) [SAC] Garcia Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(1:33) [LAL 24-21] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 3 (17 PTS)
(1:33) [LAL 25-21] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 3 (18 PTS)
(1:33) [LAL 26-21] Bryant Free Throw 3 of 3 (19 PTS)

5 seconds after change of possession. hmmm...

(1:27) [SAC] Bibby Turnover: Double Dribble (2 TO)
(1:27) [SAC] Team Timeout: Short
(1:27) [SAC] Garcia Substitution replaced by Hart
(1:15) [SAC] Hart Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(1:15) [LAL 27-21] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (20 PTS)
(1:15) [LAL 28-21] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (21 PTS)
(1:05) [LAL] George Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(0:56) [SAC 23-28] Stojakovic Jump Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Hart (1 AST)
(0:45) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

9 seconds after change of possession. hmmm...

(0:44) [SAC] Stojakovic Rebound (Off:1 Def:3)
(0:36) [SAC 25-28] Bibby Driving Layup: Made (7 PTS)
(0:21) [LAL 31-25] George Jump Shot: Made (3 PTS) Assist: Vujacic (1 AST)

WOW. deja vu. the fakers went 15 seconds into the O and got an assisted goal. GOOD basketball.

(0:02) [SAC] Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
(0:01) [LAL] George Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(0:01) [LAL] George Turnover: Traveling (1 TO)
(0:00) [SAC 27-31] Abdur-Rahim Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Stojakovic (1 AS
(0:00) [TBD] Instant Replay: Support Ruling
(0:00) End Period

so while the IGNORANT fanboys were cheering on tobe's 6-9 FGAs (and handful of FTs) in Q1, what they were REALLY applauding was tobe insterting a dagger into the backs of his fakers teammates...

what the fanboys don't understand is that players need to stay warm and develop rhythm WITH THE BALL IN THEIR HANDS. can't be done if tobe's jacking up FGAs 5 or 6 seconds into each possession.

it's pitiful to hear baseless comments like "the O bogs down when the fakers just stand around and watch tobe". HOW RIDICULOUS. after 5 or 6 seconds, tobe's already launched his next brick. NO chance to stand around and watch.

 

[Complex]

Re: Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - tobe Bryant is a clutch player

it means stop reaching with stupid ass bullshit...

To quote you. This is how your dumb ass seems running to the board after every Laker loss.

I can't believe you're a grown ass man doing this bullshit.

Who are you exactly posting all of this shit for Me, Havoc, Xfactor Worst...yourself

 

[Makkonnen]

Re: Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - tobe Bryant is a clutch player

cranrab- cook must have fucked jeannie and wiped his dick off on kobe's jersey cuz that dude is on some punishment bench time

kenny smith is a faggot which makes luke walton a transexxual

luke fuckin sucks - im bout to stop watchin the lakers until there is a shakeup or somethin shit is pathetic

@ hands of stone - I didnt think a person that big and strong could take it to the hole so weak lmao

tobe = self absorption personified he's not even smart enough to realize he'd be greater by building up his teammates - who the fuck is devin green?

this season looks like a fuckin waste of time

wtf is luke walton supposed to be good at again? d'in up toine seems like the only shit he's good at besides shootin 1-9 from 3 or some similar shit

 

[Havoc]

Re: Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - tobe Bryant is a clutch player

cranrab- cook must have fucked jeannie and wiped his dick off on kobe's jersey cuz that dude is on some punishment bench time

kenny smith is a faggot which makes luke walton a transexxual

luke fuckin sucks - im bout to stop watchin the lakers until there is a shakeup or somethin shit is pathetic

@ hands of stone - I didnt think a person that big and strong could take it to the hole so weak lmao

tobe = self absorption personified he's not even smart enough to realize he'd be greater by building up his teammates - who the fuck is devin green?

this season looks like a fuckin waste of time

wtf is luke walton supposed to be good at again? d'in up toine seems like the only shit he's good at besides shootin 1-9 from 3 or some similar shit

I think Luke Walton is supposed to be really knowledgeable of the triangle offense (or something like that). It's becoming obvious to me that these Lakers needed someone else. Another superstar must be obtained in 07 because this crap just isn't going to cut it. KG doesn't sound bad

 

[Havoc]

Re: Science

ORIGINALLY POSTED ON 12/8

"the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD..."

so how did tobe sabotage the fakers this evening?

17-35 FGAs with 2 PFs and 4 TOs.

that's 20+ additional possessions for the sacramento kings thanks to tobe.

You must not have seen the FG percentage before half time. Because the Lakers don't have a real second scorer, someone has to put up the shots to get the points that otherwise wouldn't get on the board. Unfortunately for him, that person is Kobe.

I think Artest couldn't possibly be any worse than what the Lakers have now. They have two losses, one of which should have never happened. The first one was a result of poor playing on Lamar Odom's behalf late in the fourth quarter. If I was Phil, I'd see that he didn't get paid for that game.

 

[cranrab]

Re: Science

ORIGINALLY POSTED ON 12/8

"the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD..."

*crickets chirping*

yawn... how did tobe sabotage the fakers last night?

12-33 FGAs with 4 PFs and 4 TOs.

that's 20+ additional possessions for the phoenix suns thanks to tobe.

 

[cranrab]

Re: Science

You must not have seen the FG percentage before half time.

H, you should know better. i watched. as explained above, tobe's Q1 6-9 FGAs was the doom of the fakers...

Because the Lakers don't have a real second scorer, someone has to put up the shots to get the points that otherwise wouldn't get on the board. Unfortunately for him, that person is Kobe.

FALSE. this is a fundamentally flawed assumption. the fakers would be better off as a team if tobe shot less. just because tobe wouldn't score as much does NOT mean that the team would score less. NOR does it mean the fakers would lose more games.

tobe NOT hijacking the O would allow fakers teammates to grow within the O, understand the O better in game time situations, increase their on court comfort levels, and result in more Ws.

I think Artest couldn't possibly be any worse than what the Lakers have now.

TRUE. especially if tobe got moved to the bench where he belongs.

 

[cranrab]

Advanced Basketball 101

MYTH 2: the fakers can't play when tobe's not on the floor

TRUTH: the fakers are more effective AS A TEAM when tobe's not on the floor.

how did the allegedly not-ready-for-prime-time fakers do v. the suns w/o tobe? let's see what they did after lamar odom gave the fakers a 1 point lead to finish Q1.

(0:02) [LAL 22-21] Odom Layup Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Vujacic (2 AST)
(0:00) End Period

2nd Period
(11:46) [LAL] Odom Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(11:31) [PHX] House Jump Shot: Missed
(11:29) [LAL] Brown Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(11:14) [PHX] House Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(11:01) [LAL 24-21] Brown (2 PTS) Assist: Odom (4 AST)

WHAT A SURPRISE! ran the O for 13 seconds and got an assisted score.

(10:55) [LAL] Parker Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(10:55) [PHX 22-24] Barbosa Free Throw 1 of 2 (3 PTS)
(10:55) [PHX 23-24] Barbosa Free Throw 2 of 2 (4 PTS)
(10:33) [LAL] Walton Jump Shot: Missed

ok, luke walton got hot potatoe'd here...

(10:31) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(10:10) [PHX] Diaw Jump Shot: Missed
(10:08) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:1 Def:7)
(9:49) [LAL 27-23] Parker Jump Shot: Made (3 PTS)

ran the O. good shot 19 seconds into the play.

(9:44) [PHX] House Turnover: Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal: Vujacic (1 ST)
(9:33) [LAL 29-23] Parker (5 PTS)

ran the O. good shot 11 seconds into the play.

(9:18) [PHX] Jones Jump Shot: Missed
(9:15) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:1 Def:8)
(9:08) [LAL 31-23] Parker Layup Shot: Made (7 PTS) Assist: Walton (1 AST)

WOW. another ASSISTED score opens an EIGHT point fakers lead. suns call time out.

(9:06) [PHX] Team Timeout: Regular
(9:06) [PHX] Marion Substitution replaced by Thomas
(8:55) [LAL] Vujacic Violation: Kicked Ball
(8:48) [PHX] Barbosa Jump Shot: Missed
(8:46) [LAL] Parker Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(8:30) [LAL 33-23] Vujacic Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Walton (2 AST)

PAYING ATTENTION, BITCHES? fakers ran the O for 16 seconds and got ANOTHER ASSISTED score, opening up a TEN point lead.

(8:13) [PHX 25-33] Jones Running Jump: Made (2 PTS)
(7:51) [LAL 35-25] Walton Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS) Assist: Vujacic (3 AST)

LEARNING YET, fanboys? fakers ran the O and got ANOTHER ASSISTED score. NO sign of your boy tobe.

(7:39) [PHX 27-35] House Jump Shot: Made (2 PTS)
(7:23) [LAL] Vujacic Jump Shot: Missed
(7:21) [PHX] Diaw Rebound (Off:3 Def:1)
(7:15) [PHX 30-35] House Jump Shot: Made (5 PTS) Assist: Diaw (3 AST)
(6:47) [LAL] Walton Jump Shot: Missed
(6:47) [LAL] Team Rebound
(6:47) [LAL] Team Turnover: 24 Second Violation ( TO)

LOL. luke walton got hot potatoe'd AGAIN.

(6:47) [PHX] Diaw Substitution replaced by Bell
(6:32) [PHX] Thomas Jump Shot: Missed
(6:29) [LAL] Vujacic Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(6:12) [LAL 37-30] Odom Driving Layup: Made (8 PTS)

PENETRATING those THICK skulls yet? 17 seconds after change of possession, the O yields another bucket.

(6:04) [PHX] Barbosa Layup Shot: Missed Block: Walton (1 BLK)
(6:02) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:1 Def:9)
(5:57) [LAL] Parker Jump Shot: Missed

william missed a layup in transition...

(5:54) [PHX] Jones Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(5:50) [PHX 32-37] House Jump Shot: Made (7 PTS)
(5:28) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed

LOL. this time lamar odom got hot potatoe'd.

(5:26) [PHX] House Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(5:19) [PHX 34-37] House Driving Layup: Made (9 PTS)
(5:11) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(5:11) [PHX] Barbosa Substitution replaced by Nash
(5:11) [PHX] Jones Substitution replaced by Marion
(5:11) [LAL] Parker Substitution replaced by Bryant

WOW. the fakers were +2 with tobe on the bench? you mean those allegedly sorry-scrubs who need to be carried by tobe actually INCREASED THE LEAD with tobe sitting (where he belongs) for 6:49?

but wait a minute. when tobe came back, i bet the fakers REALLY must've pounded the suns, right? after all, tobe is allegedly the best player in the league, right? let's take a look at what tobe accomplished against this suns lineup:

steve nash
eddie house
raja bell
shawn marion
kurt thomas

(5:04) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed Block: Marion (4 BLK)
(5:01) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(4:49) [PHX 37-37] House Jump Shot: Made (12 PTS) Assist: Marion (1 AST)

WOW. so in TWENTY TWO (that's 22) SECONDS, with tobe on the floor, the fakers surrender a 3 point lead that they previously held for 7 minutes...

(4:23) [LAL] George Jump Shot: Missed
(4:20) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:0 Def:5)
(4:15) [PHX] House Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO)
(3:55) [LAL 39-37] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (10 PTS)
(3:40) [PHX] House Jump Shot: Missed
(3:38) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:1 Def:5)
(3:30) [PHX 39-39] Thomas Layup Shot: Made (5 PTS) Assist: Nash (4 AST)
(3:30) [LAL] Vujacic Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(3:30) [LAL] Brown Substitution replaced by Mihm
(3:30) [PHX 40-39] Thomas Free Throw 1 of 1 (6 PTS)
(3:10) [LAL] Odom Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal: Marion (2 ST)
(2:54) [PHX 42-39] Thomas Jump Shot: Made (8 PTS) Assist: Nash (5 AST)
(2:27) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(2:24) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:1 Def:6)
(2:08) [LAL] George Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(2:08) Timeout: Official
(2:08) [LAL] Vujacic Substitution replaced by Parker
(2:08) [PHX 43-39] Nash Free Throw 1 of 2 (5 PTS)
(2:08) [PHX 44-39] Nash Free Throw 2 of 2 (6 PTS)
(1:56) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(1:55) [PHX] Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(1:49) [PHX] Thomas Jump Shot: Missed
(1:48) [LAL] Mihm Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)
(1:36) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed
(1:34) [LAL] Mihm Rebound (Off:3 Def:2)
(1:33) [LAL] Mihm Layup Shot: Missed
(1:31) [PHX] Nash Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(1:21) [PHX 47-39] Nash Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS)

WOW. so in only 3:39, the fakers not only LOST THIER LEAD, but were DOWN BY EIGHT (that's 8) points... you mean all this happened with the player some dimwits are already branding this year's MVP?

 

[cranrab]

Q3: the undeniable TRUTH of tobe's FGATOs

for those of you who are unfamiliar with the FGATO, that is the statistic that focuses on the COST of tobe's piss poor FGAs... the FGAs that are so poorly conceived that they are actually TOs which result in scores for the opponent:

3rd Period
(11:45) [PHX 51-43] Thomas Jump Shot: Made (12 PTS) Assist: Barbosa (1 AST)
(11:20) [LAL] Odom Jump Shot: Missed
(11:18) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:1 Def:7)
(11:13) [PHX 53-43] Marion Slam Dunk Shot: Made (10 PTS) Assist: Nash (7 AST)
(10:51) [LAL 45-53] Mihm Layup Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Parker (1 AST)
(10:44) [PHX 56-45] Barbosa Jump Shot: Made (7 PTS) Assist: Bell (1 AST)
(10:36) [LAL] Bryant Foul: Offensive (2 PF)
(10:36) [LAL] Bryant Turnover: Foul (3 TO)
(10:25) [PHX] Marion Jump Shot: Missed
(10:23) [LAL] Mihm Rebound (Off:3 Def:4)
(10:12) [LAL] George Jump Shot: Missed
(10:10) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:1 Def:8)
(10:06) [PHX] Nash Turnover: Lost Ball Out of Bounds (2 TO)
(9:45) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(9:43) [PHX] Nash Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(9:35) [PHX 58-45] Nash Jump Shot: Made (11 PTS)
(9:33) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(9:14) [LAL 47-58] Mihm Turnaround Jump: Made (8 PTS)
(8:55) [PHX] Thomas Jump Shot: Missed
(8:53) [LAL] Parker Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(8:47) [LAL 49-58] Mihm Dunk Shot: Made (10 PTS) Assist: Bryant (2 AST)
(8:31) [LAL] Parker Foul: Shooting (3 PF)
(8:31) [PHX 59-49] Nash Free Throw 1 of 2 (12 PTS)
(8:31) [PHX 60-49] Nash Free Throw 2 of 2 (13 PTS)
(8:17) [LAL] Mihm Jump Shot: Missed
(8:15) [LAL] George Tip Shot: Missed
(8:15) [LAL] George Rebound (Off:2 Def:0)
(8:14) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:1 Def:9)
(8:07) [PHX 62-49] Bell Jump Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Barbosa (2 AST)
(7:48) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(7:46) [PHX] Nash Rebound (Off:0 Def:5)
(7:32) [PHX 64-49] Bell Jump Shot: Made (8 PTS) Assist: Nash (8 AST)
(7:10) [LAL] Odom Turnover: Bad Pass (3 TO) Steal: Marion (3 ST)
(7:01) [PHX] Marion Jump Shot: Missed
(7:01) [LAL] Team Rebound
(7:01) [PHX] Thomas Foul: Loose Ball (2 PF)
(6:43) [PHX] Thomas Foul: Shooting (3 PF)
(6:43) [LAL 50-64] George Free Throw 1 of 2 (5 PTS)
(6:43) [LAL 51-64] George Free Throw 2 of 2 (6 PTS)
(6:19) [PHX] Team Turnover: 24 Second Violation ( TO)
(6:05) [LAL] George Jump Shot: Missed
(6:03) [PHX] Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(5:58) [PHX] Bell Jump Shot: Missed
(5:56) [LAL] Odom Rebound (Off:1 Def:10)
(5:44) [PHX] Thomas Violation: Kicked Ball
(5:44) [LAL] Odom Substitution replaced by Walton
(5:44) [LAL] Mihm Substitution replaced by Cook
(5:36) [LAL 54-64] Parker Jump Shot: Made (10 PTS)
(5:23) [PHX] Nash Jump Shot: Missed
(5:21) [LAL] George Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(5:12) [LAL] Parker Jump Shot: Missed
(5:10) [PHX] Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:5)
(5:06) [LAL] Walton Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(5:06) [PHX 65-54] Marion Free Throw 1 of 2 (11 PTS)
(5:06) [PHX] Thomas Substitution replaced by Diaw
(5:06) [PHX 66-54] Marion Free Throw 2 of 2 (12 PTS)
(4:56) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(4:55) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:1 Def:10)
(4:46) [PHX 69-54] Bell Jump Shot: Made (11 PTS) Assist: Nash (9 AST)
(4:24) [LAL 57-69] Cook Jump Shot: Made (3 PTS) Assist: Parker (2 AST)
(4:17) [LAL] Bryant Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(4:09) [PHX] Nash Turnover: Lost Ball (3 TO) Steal: Parker (1 ST)
(4:05) [LAL] Parker Layup Shot: Missed
(4:04) [LAL] Walton Rebound (Off:1 Def:0)
(4:04) [LAL] Walton Turnover: Stepped out of Bounds (1 TO)
(4:04) [PHX] Team Timeout: Regular
(4:04) [LAL] George Substitution replaced by Vujacic
(3:52) [LAL] Parker Violation: Kicked Ball
(3:42) [PHX] Barbosa Jump Shot: Missed
(3:42) [PHX] Marion Tip Shot: Missed
(3:42) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:2 Def:10)
(3:42) [PHX] Team Rebound
(3:42) [LAL] Walton Foul: Loose Ball (2 PF)
(3:32) [LAL] Cook Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(3:32) [PHX 70-57] Bell Free Throw 1 of 2 (12 PTS)
(3:32) [PHX 71-57] Bell Free Throw 2 of 2 (13 PTS)
(3:16) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(3:14) [PHX] Nash Rebound (Off:0 Def:6)
(3:10) [PHX 73-57] Marion (14 PTS) Assist: Nash (10 AST)
(2:53) [LAL] Walton Jump Shot: Missed
(2:51) [PHX] Barbosa Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(2:44) [PHX] Marion Foul: Offensive (3 PF)
(2:44) [PHX] Marion Turnover: Foul (2 TO)
(2:44) [PHX] Barbosa Substitution replaced by House
(2:29) [LAL] Bryant Foul: Offensive (4 PF)
(2:29) [LAL] Bryant Turnover: Foul (4 TO)
(2:29) [LAL] Bryant Foul: Technical (4 PF)
(2:29) [PHX 74-57] Nash Free Throw Technical (14 PTS)
(2:14) [PHX 77-57] Bell Jump Shot: Made (16 PTS) Assist: Diaw (4 AST)
(2:01) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(1:59) [PHX] Marion Rebound (Off:2 Def:11)
(1:51) [PHX] Marion Jump Shot: Missed
(1:49) [LAL] Cook Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(1:37) [LAL] Cook Turnover: Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal: House (1 ST)
(1:27) [PHX] Diaw Layup Shot: Missed
(1:25) [LAL] Walton Rebound (Off:1 Def:1)
(1:18) [LAL 60-77] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (15 PTS) Assist: Parker (3 AST)
(0:59) [PHX] Marion Jump Shot: Missed
(0:56) [LAL] Bryant Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)
(0:51) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed
(0:49) [PHX] Nash Rebound (Off:0 Def:7)
(0:36) [PHX] Nash Running Jump: Missed
(0:33) [LAL] Walton Rebound (Off:1 Def:2)
(0:28) [LAL 62-77] Bryant Layup Shot: Made (17 PTS) Assist: Cook (1 AST)
(0:02) [PHX] Nash Jump Shot: Missed
(0:02) [PHX] Team Rebound
(0:02) [PHX] Team Turnover: 24 Second Violation ( TO)
(0:00) [LAL] Cook Jump Shot: Missed
(0:00) [PHX] House Rebound (Off:0 Def:2)
(0:00) End Period

the suns scored what? THIRTEEN (that's 13) points off tobe's FGATOs alone. that doesn't account for the points surrendered from tobe's piss poor D...

when you consider that the fakers as a TEAM only scored 19 points in Q3, it makes giving up 13 points a pretty big deal...

when you further consider that the suns as a TEAM scored 28 points in Q3, it makes giving up 13 points a pretty big deal...

 

[xfactor]

Hey X,

THIS IS JANUARY (ALMOST FEBRUARY) WHY DID YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO NOVEMBER TO GET YOUR STATS??? TRY AND KEEP IT CURRENT, OR IS IT WHEN YOU LOOKED AT RECENT GAMES YOU DIDN'T FIND ANY DATA TO PROVE YOUR POINT SO YOU WENT BACK AND BACK UNTIL YOU DID? get a life

Bumbling idiots like you normally dont deserve a reply but I didnt post December because I didnt look it up. And after just looking it up, I decided against posting it, because I wouldnt want to see another grown man crying over the fact that his hero is a phony that was hyped beyond comparison by the media.

FYI... Wobe proved to miss more shots down the stretch in close games than he made.

lakers' wins in close games in December:

2 - Charlotte, @ Dallas - Which I wont even really count because IMO players should make FTs (the easiest shot in basketball) down the stretch anyway.

lakers' loses in close games in December:

5 - Minnesota, Houston, @ Miami, @Washington, Memphis

Look up the play by play...More of the same piss poor play by Wobe at the end trying to take over, resulting in the forthcoming L for the lakers.

 

[xfactor]

Re: Advanced Basketball 101

WOW. so in TWENTY TWO (that's 22) SECONDS, with tobe on the floor, the fakers surrender a 3 point lead that they previously held for 7 minutes...

C'mon now C, You know that PHX was just playing around. They just wanted to wait until Wobe came back in before they decided to blow the lakers out.

 

[Havoc]

Re: Science

tobe NOT hijacking the O would allow fakers teammates to grow within the O, understand the O better in game time situations, increase their on court comfort levels, and result in more Ws.

The other Lakers suck ass. End of story.

 

[cranrab]

Science: warriors v. fakers

ORIGINALLY POSTED ON 12/8

"the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD..."

*yawns*

let's see... tobe goes 7-22 (31%) and the fakers get the W...



here's something extra for the people that didn't WATCH the game...

Q1, tobe 2-5, fakers +3
Q2, tobe 0-2, fakers +5 (WOW. guess those other stiffs CAN produce)
Q3, tobe 0-5, fakers -15 (WOW. i guess william parker willed his team to victory)
Q4, tobe 3-6, fakers +7
OT, tobe 2-3, fakers +1

 

[cranrab]

Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - tobe is a clutch player



mr. super clutch dribbled out the clock and didn't even get a shot off...

fakers LOSE...

yeah, tobe's soooooo clutch...

suckers...

 

[xfactor]

You'd think that the league MVP (according to Steve Kerr) would...

never get out played on both ends of the court by a veteran on the downside of his career but it clearly happened tonight.

Let's watch the final two possessions of the game and see how the MDP impossed his will on the outcome.

(0:13) [MEM] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:03) [LAL] Parker Foul: Personal (4 PF)
(0:03) [MEM 100-99] Atkins Free Throw 1 of 2 (18 PTS)

Hey, I thought this guy was the reason the lakers sucked last year because of his lack of talent and skill. What is he doing hitting clutch FTs?

(0:03) [LAL] Cook Substitution replaced by Bynum
(0:03) [MEM] Atkins Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(0:02) [LAL] George Rebound (Off:1 Def:6)
(0:02) [LAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:02) [LAL] Bynum Substitution replaced by Cook
(0:00) [LAL] Bryant Jump Shot: Missed

Aiiiiiiiiiiiirball.........Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiball

(0:00) [LAL] Team Rebound
(0:00) End Period

@ the 'clutchness'. Yeah he sure impossed his will alright...Helping the lakers drop another game to another struggling team that just lost 4 in a row before running into Wobe.

 

[cranrab]

maybe they just don't know the difference?

example of clutch: dwyane wade's shot with 2+ seconds left in today's game v. the pistons... heat won...

example of NOT clutch: tayshaun prince's WIDE OPEN, UNCHALLENGED miss to end the game... pistons lose...

example of NOT clutch: tobe DRIBBLING OUT THE CLOCK and NOT even getting a shot off to end last night's game v. the grizzlies... fakers lost...

 

[cranrab]

Re: Dispelling a Myth: Part 1 - tobe is a clutch player

Originally Posted by cranrab
ORIGINALLY POSTED ON 12/8

"the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD..."

*yawn*

the 'incredible' tobe goes 14-28 FGAs and guess what? the fakers LOSE. LOSE AT HOME. LOSE at home to the atlanta hawks. the 15-34 atlanta hawks.



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