Dems need to start aiming low quit taking the fucking high route. The republicans are shitting all over these dudes. I can’t believe how this narrative is being pushed and idiots falling for it!
Democrats Block Senate Stimulus Bill After Negotiations Falter - which side you fall on in this issue NO FENCE SITTING!!
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Dems need to start aiming low quit taking the fucking high route. The republicans are shitting all over these dudes. I can’t believe how this narrative is being pushed and idiots falling for it!
Yeah you "haven't the damn thing yet", is right. Its a shame too, because the damn thing=understanding. You haven't the damn understanding yet to make intelligent statements about politics. On top of that you explicitly stated you're struggling to be unemotional, now believe I'm emotional. Dude you used the word first, but its fine, you just don't understand this.
I don't believe one party is good and the other is bad to put it simply.
I hope you're not of those people who vote Blue sp blindly?
This bill is being turned into some more trickle down theory bullshit. We'll give the major corporations even more money after bailing some of them out a decade ago and giving them massive tax breaks a couple of years ago and if they're good then maybe you citizens will eventually be good again. And they always come up with the money for this shit. It should be the other way around but apparently when giving money to citizens is mentioned in large quantities suddenly the question becomes where will get the money from and it get labeled as socialism.
At the end of the day 1K or even 1200 is not enough for many people and half that, which many people would get, is downright ridiculous. I just wish that the Democrats would actually broadcast that instead of letting the Republicans have the first and last word in the media over this bill.
At the end of the day 1K or even 1200 is not enough for many people and half that, which many people would get, is downright ridiculous. I just wish that the Democrats would actually broadcast that instead of letting the Republicans have the first and last word in the media over this bill.
Seems that would only help a select group, and if whites have more student loan debt, they'd end up being allowed to be doctors and lawyers for free while people like me who never went to college had to grind my ass off to make it. student loan debt is a self-inflicted wound. if they really want to help people, they should remove all penalties for 401k withdrawals, suspend atm fees, banks shouldn't report late payments to credit bureaus if the person can prove the lost their job due to this shit. $1200 a month is good for people with $400 rent and no car payments. for the rest of us, thats a fraction of our monthly nut and with zero coming in, barely makes a dent and we will still have to choose what to pay that month. they could also stop taxing work bonuses. Health insurance should cover all expenses incurred during this shit if you've paid your monthly premium. Those who lost their jobs now cant afford Korbra and cant get on the exchange to get insurance either. Anyone unemployed due to this should get the same health care as welfare people since we paid into that shit. ill be okay for a few more months, but i know people who will need to take cash out of their retirement to not lose their homes or cars or live the next 4 to 5 months with nothing open and no one working--they shouldn't pay all those fucking penalties for taking their own money out to survive this.
When I connect the dots. It’s looks like the elites are cash out. 3-4 months ago I starting hearing a lot of CEOs stepping down. From CEO of Disney to Bill Gates stepping down as chairman. I knew they are all clicked in so they know ahead of time that things will get crazy.
It looks like they sold high and then take your hard earn tax payer bailout money and buy the dip.
Easiest scam you can pull.
Believe whatever you want to believe. Me, I'll never believe you give one fuck or hope for me. Save that BS. I'm through with you, Mr. Simply.
Removing student loan debt would boost the economy because all the people that are paying those house note sized payments could actually go and buy a house or a new car.
Republicans would never push to ‘give’ shit unless their thieving asses had hardcore benefits from it. Lying motherfuckers were dumping stocks and shit after they found out how the virus would affect the stock markets. Give the long term help and not some fucking chicken feed! Mfs dangling that carrot and expecting folks to run for it knowing that bullshit they pushing is a band aid for a damn sucking chest wound.
Soooooo you borrow 100k to become a lawyer, then can’t pay the $1000 a month in student loans, but what us to forget you ever borrowed the money so you can now buy news cars and big homes? And, this is to stimulate the economy and NOT to avoid a debt you actually owe?
That’s the equivalent of me loaning your $200, then you beg me to forgive the loan while wearing a pair of Jordan 11’s. Fuck every aspect of forgiving student loan debt. Pay what you owe THEN buy a house like the rest of us. Y’all don’t wanna pay because you realized the money you spent on your degree often doesn’t translate to much more income than a highly skilled laborer.
It’s will never happen. Your talking Trillions something like 7-10 trillion minimum.
I personally think they need to lower the cost of college. Right now college is a scam outside of becoming a doctor, lawyer or engineer.
There is no reason why students should take out a $80,000 school loan to get a Art degree. This not the 80s and 90s You will not find a job in 2020.
you realize not everyone goes to school to become lawyers or even get jobs in the field they went to school for...the issue is nowadays you need a degree to get that job that translates to a highly skilled laborer in any case... schooling shouldn't be that expensive in the first place.
Soooooo you borrow 100k to become a lawyer, then can’t pay the $1000 a month in student loans, but what us to forget you ever borrowed the money so you can now buy news cars and big homes? And, this is to stimulate the economy and NOT to avoid a debt you actually owe?
That’s the equivalent of me loaning your $200, then you beg me to forgive the loan while wearing a pair of Jordan 11’s. Fuck every aspect of forgiving student loan debt. Pay what you owe THEN buy a house like the rest of us. Y’all don’t wanna pay because you realized the money you spent on your degree often doesn’t translate to much more income than a highly skilled laborer.
I get it. I think
Most jobs require some sort of degree for the jobs people used to get if they simply worked there and moved up the ladder. You and others got a degree in “business management” or of similar limited value to get that job managing a store that another employee got from chasing grocery karts when they first started to getting promoted over the years and now you make the same salary and have the position and suddenly you see no value in your degree? And now you don’t want to pay?I once bought one of those extended warranties they upsell you on for a used car because I didn’t want to have a payment and something like a transmission or engine failure would cost me too much if I had to pay for both. I luckily went 4 years and paid the car off and never needed the warranty—can I get that money back-? I mean. I’ve had full coverage insurance on all my cars and haven’t caused an accident since my teens. Can I get all the insurance money back? Nope. I signed up, paid it, used their services and turns out—never needed it. But I paid. Pay up.
Dude, when said that people who make 100k+ shouldn't get the stimulus people chimed in that there are places, where the COL is high...guess what you don't have to live like that there...there are cheaper areas in every state...you don't need a new expensive car etc.. its the same argument your making but the rebuttal is if 7 figure CEOs and multibillion-dollar conglomerates can get some stimulus bucks (money coming out your pocket) then why CAN'T middle-class people get it too??
I get it. I think
I once bought one of those extended warranties they upsell you on for a used car because I didn’t want to have a payment and something like a transmission or engine failure would cost me too much if I had to pay for both. I luckily went 4 years and paid the car off and never needed the warranty—can I get that money back-? I mean. I’ve had full coverage insurance on all my cars and haven’t caused an accident since my teens. Can I get all the insurance money back? Nope. I signed up, paid it, used their services and turns out—never needed it. But I paid. Pay up.
why can't people with student loans get a slide like those CEO???
according to YOU who the fuck should qualify then?? EVERYONE IS MAKING BAD CHOICES YET THE ONLY PEOPLE GETTING THE BAILOUTS ARE BILLIONAIRES.. and NO ONE complains about that shit.
Companies fire people and let them get foreclosed on, why do we have to bail them out? It is a risk of doing business, these companies are never coming back after this.
Focus on the workers and let them spend in the new economy to generate jobs with local manufacturing, ecomm, uber take out, rather than saving the old way of doing things. Any company getting a bailout, needs to present a plan on how they will be viable in the future.
We need to invest in the future with the money, rather than bailing out the old way.
Focus on the workers and let them spend in the new economy to generate jobs with local manufacturing, ecomm, uber take out, rather than saving the old way of doing things. Any company getting a bailout, needs to present a plan on how they will be viable in the future.
We need to invest in the future with the money, rather than bailing out the old way.
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had this up but took merged it here
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi unveiled on Monday a sweeping counterproposal to Senate Republicans' $1.8 trillion coronavirus stimulus package.
Why it matters: House Democrats' legislation — which comes with a $2.5 trillion price tag — comes after negotiations between Capitol Hill leaders and the White House broke down over the weekend, culminating in two failed procedural votes that have left the Senate Republicans' bill in limbo.
The state of play: Democrats, who have asserted that the Senate GOP bill is a corporate slush fund that doesn't do enough to help American workers, are hoping that the release of this bill will give them more leverage in negotiations with Republicans.
Read the bill ... and compare it to McConnell's.
Go deeper: Procedural vote on coronavirus stimulus fails for 2nd time in 24 hours
Editor's note: This story has been updated to include additional details from the 1,119-page bill.
Pelosi unveils $2.5 trillion counterproposal to GOP coronavirus stimulus
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Pelosi unveils $2.5 trillion counterproposal to GOP coronavirus stimulus
Democrats have claimed the Senate GOP bill is a corporate slush fund that doesn't do enough to help workers.
www.axios.com
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi unveiled on Monday a sweeping counterproposal to Senate Republicans' $1.8 trillion coronavirus stimulus package.
Why it matters: House Democrats' legislation — which comes with a $2.5 trillion price tag — comes after negotiations between Capitol Hill leaders and the White House broke down over the weekend, culminating in two failed procedural votes that have left the Senate Republicans' bill in limbo.
The state of play: Democrats, who have asserted that the Senate GOP bill is a corporate slush fund that doesn't do enough to help American workers, are hoping that the release of this bill will give them more leverage in negotiations with Republicans.
- But Republicans have accused Democrats of playing politics during a national crisis by stalling action on their bill, calling this latest measure a "Democratic wish list" — as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell characterized it.
- Increases the amount of money being offered to individuals to $1,500, and up to $7,500 for a family of five. The same GOP income thresholds in the GOP bill would apply — $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for couples, but the benefit would be available to anyone with an individual taxpayer identification number, retirees and unemployed individuals.
- Waives $10,000 in federal student loan payments.
- Dedicate $4 billion in grant funding to help states with upcoming elections and nationally mandates 15 days of early voting and no-excuse absentee vote-by-mail, including mailing a ballot to all registered voters in an emergency.
- Includes a section that would cancel several executive orders and presidential memorandums that Democrats argue have weakened public sector unions' ability to engage in collective bargaining.
- Creates new carbon offset guidelines for airlines, with a long-term goal of reducing jet fuel emissions by 50% by 2050.
- Allocates $150 billion to support hospitals, local health centers and government-funded medical programs, with an additional $80 billion in low-interest loans to hospitals.
- Eliminates cost-sharing for coronavirus treatments and vaccines for all patients, including the uninsured.
- Addresses broader health care concerns that Democrats have pushed for months, including increasing subsidies on the individual market and creating new incentives for states to expand Medicaid.
- Provides child care assistance to health care workers and emergency personnel.
- Would temporarily provide $600 per week to unemployed workers affected by the coronavirus. Self-employed workers, Americans whose contracts were canceled, and new entrants to the job market would also be eligible.
- Expands paid sick leave and family medical leave, as well as gives more money to food-safety benefits.
- Provides $500 billion in grants and interest-free loans to small businesses.
- Creates a $200 billion stabilization fund for states and $15 billion for local governments through the Community Development Block Grant program. The legislation also authorizes the Federal Reserve to purchase state and local government bonds.
- Pumps nearly $60 billion into schools and universities, with $50 billion directly provided to states for school funding and nearly $10 billion to higher education institutions.
- Dedicates $20 billion to reimbursing the U.S. Postal Service for lost revenue, and forgives USPS debt.
- Requires companies receiving federal assistance during coronavirus to institute a $15 minimum wage.
Read the bill ... and compare it to McConnell's.
Go deeper: Procedural vote on coronavirus stimulus fails for 2nd time in 24 hours
Editor's note: This story has been updated to include additional details from the 1,119-page bill.
The only people who deserve to have their loans wiped away are those who got ripped off by online/fake colleges.
If it costs 100k to acquire a job that will pay you 100k or more per year over a lifetime, pay your loans. And I do live in a high dollar area and won’t get the stimulus check. For now, I don’t even need it. I saved a decent amount. As for moving from my cozy High rise to a shit part of town—that is the dumbest argument ever. I have 30 years into my trade, fuck outta here with moving back to the very place I grinded to get out of or any place similar.
Never co-signed any airline or corporation getting a bailout. Fuck them too. However, millions of jobs are lost if certain ones go under. That’s different than applying for loans to go to A university you chose, experiencing everything it entails, including a good job once you graduate, you got everything out of it—pay your loans.
Had I just paid off 100k in student loans and then you all get wiped clean I would be fucking pissed. I bust my ass to pay on time and in full and people get sick so nobody has to pay theirs? Nonsense. Pay up!
now, who should be eligible to wipe their loans away:
*those who got ripped off by online/fake colleges.
*people that never stepped foot on campus due to illness, needing to care for a sick parent. I could see an 18 year old applying for loans, then having to dropout before stepping foot on campus for personal reasons—sure, wipe those.
*said college loses its accededation (degree now worthless) Trump university
*balance applies for vs used: if you applied for 100k, went a year, then kicked out of school or even went to jail, you owe the amount you used. If you finished one year or a four year degree, you owe 25k of the 100k, wipe the 75k never used.
You can forget about bailing out the airlines or Boeing, this is the whole reason we are in this mess. No country or head of state wants to take delivery of planes rigged to crash for terrorist reason. You are done. Doubling down on these companies will be pointless. It was not a 737 Max issue but pure terrorist evil that can happen with any model of Boeing being built.
They are not going to put their citizen on any plane built here, this virus is being used to mask this international ban. Would you take delivery of any plane built by Boeing, knowing some derange white supremacist could put an intentional defect into it, to crash it? Hell No...
We are being lied to about this epidemic.
They are not going to put their citizen on any plane built here, this virus is being used to mask this international ban. Would you take delivery of any plane built by Boeing, knowing some derange white supremacist could put an intentional defect into it, to crash it? Hell No...
We are being lied to about this epidemic.
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No, my stance is fuck any and all special interest and corporate bailouts. if you're not going to reopen businesses checks out to citizens ASAP.
Money for PEOPLE only so the millions of newly unemployed Americans can be sure they'll have money to feed their family for at least another month. There might not BE a long run.
Yes, these deals are all bullshit. This is what I've been saying.
People in this very thread are concerned about student loans, immigration, and other personal interest. If Dems try to add that to these bills why would u think that the right wouldn't counter with bailouts for industries?
Cut all the extra shit and for once agree on both sides to put the citizens first, all of us, as one group. We're all being affected by this.
So how would a student loan bailout make school cheaper for the next generation? They'll be asking for another bailout in 15 years.
Soooooo you borrow 100k to become a lawyer, then can’t pay the $1000 a month in student loans, but what us to forget you ever borrowed the money so you can now buy news cars and big homes? And, this is to stimulate the economy and NOT to avoid a debt you actually owe?
That’s the equivalent of me loaning your $200, then you beg me to forgive the loan while wearing a pair of Jordan 11’s. Fuck every aspect of forgiving student loan debt. Pay what you owe THEN buy a house like the rest of us. Y’all don’t wanna pay because you realized the money you spent on your degree often doesn’t translate to much more income than a highly skilled laborer.
Your equivalent is off.
You do realize paying interest is involved.
You make it sound like people are trying to ball out on YOU when that's not the case at all. People are just trying to live.
Sounds like you have a personal grudge against professionals.
Okay, I'm on that same page.
No, my stance is fuck any and all special interest and corporate bailouts. if you're not going to reopen businesses checks out to citizens ASAP.
Money for PEOPLE only so the millions of newly unemployed Americans can be sure they'll have money to feed their family for at least another month. There might not BE a long run.
However...
You have to understand that they are going to get some money because they have paid for their interests to be represented. We know politics is a dirty business. They will be given something, it just doesn't have to be 500 billion so they can golden parachute themselves out of danger while everyone else struggles.
I like most of Pelosi's deal but its not going to happen, either.
I do agree with you that they should just stop "politickin'" and just put the people's interests first.
That's not gonna happen. Capitalism promotes greed and this kind of an opportunity is not going to go unpilfered.
We need to recognize that and proceed accordingly. Some essential companies are gonna have to be bailed out to some degree, but most of that money should be going into the public for crisis relief.
Fuck all of those long-term team wins. Get our shit fixed now and work out the rest down the line.
I don't want the American dollar to be worth less than a Mexican peso.
And for fuck's sake, give the hospitals and research facilities working on this whatever they need.
They could push legislation to freeze the payments owed on school debts during this crisis.
That way, people still pay their loans but its just deferred for a while until we get our economy back. No interest accrued during crisis time. Boom.
I agree no extras. If you have a SS# you should get a check. No add-ins from other sides, put workers and families first. That other shit can happen later.
I know, I'm being idealistic.
We lived through the biggest wealth transfer in history after those past bailouts, so frankly I don't give a shit if all these megacorps fail. They'll eventually be replaced, and thats how capitalism should work.
Cats have more protest against giving working class student debt relief than they did when the banksters and CEOs got major bail outs in 2008. Poor people are fucking idiots.
This is the bullshit I was yelling about the other day. There's always some horseshit extras in these bills that aren't the main component, but when it's turned down, they'll say the bill was rejected because of the main component.
Definitely.
Why not? We’re in this shit just like others and some of us are “essential healthcare providers”.
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I am a professional. Well compensated and world-traveled. Worked my way up—no handouts. My close friend just paid of 89k for his masters. So now because people fear a virus they don’t have to pay theirs? Should he and others get a refund? You’re missing the point of incurring a debt you owe and being stuck with one you want any excuse not to pay. Pay em off. You owe it. Call J.G Wentworth (877-cash-now)
For the most part, it is the other way around.
the corporate bailouts are what took the debt over the top, which put the economy bubble burst on watch.
another one would crash it. The people that don’t understand the money system are idiots, and that number is way more than poor people.
the corporate bailouts are what took the debt over the top, which put the economy bubble burst on watch.
another one would crash it. The people that don’t understand the money system are idiots, and that number is way more than poor people.
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