Democrats Block Senate Stimulus Bill After Negotiations Falter - which side you fall on in this issue NO FENCE SITTING!!

Do you agree with the Dems or the Reps. EITHER/OR


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Yeah, you'd rather a fight for weeks about stipulations for a small minority in this country than sending out checks right now to so all Americans can buy groceries in the next few weeks.

You know damn well that nobody's getting these checks in the next few weeks, especially when you have a president who is deliberately hiding the numbers and planning to "open America up soon."
 
Why not just payoff all debt(cc's, mortgages and student loans)for all individuals making less than 150k and increase taxes across the board to 15%...
That'll increase spending after this pandemic.
 
So because the Cost of living here is high I should move? Fuck off. It wasn’t always this high and shit changes. People just can’t pick up and move with a family that easy. I have business here and have no desire to live in some shit hole state just because a house is 200k. You’re out your fucking minds. COL varies all around the world. Desirable areas cost more period.

Why are y’all so against people making 6 figures getting some financial cushion but are OK with airlines and other billion/trillion dollar businesses getting them! Eat a dick
 
Dude, $500B is a lot of fucking money. The size of the group its going out to has fuck all to do with it. If anything, its worse because its going to a "minority of the population" I've been reading this thread and this is probably the most irresponsible statement I've read so far.
So, your stance is "shut up you peons and take your hush money check while we shift a shitload of wealth around!"
$1k ain't shit if it costs you more in the long run.

Bruh. 1200 for 1 month when the ripples of this shit will rage on for another year is meaningless. That on it's own shouldve killed this proposal. Then you add in the typical and predictable Republican corporate fuckery and I agree with you. Fuck this bill, itll do more harm than a bullshit 1 time check for 1200 will do good. I cant even make 1 mortgage payment with that. The fuck???
 
CSPAN 2 has the Senate LIVE!

Dull-ass Durbin (IL) is the 1st to counter the Republican lies about the Democratic bill from the house being a Green Deal wish list.
He (they) are so busy being nice to "their colleagues" the point of showing their lies/deceit almost gets lost.
 
The only people who deserve to have their loans wiped away are those who got ripped off by online/fake colleges.

If it costs 100k to acquire a job that will pay you 100k or more per year over a lifetime, pay your loans. And I do live in a high dollar area and won’t get the stimulus check. For now, I don’t even need it. I saved a decent amount. As for moving from my cozy High rise to a shit part of town—that is the dumbest argument ever. I have 30 years into my trade, fuck outta here with moving back to the very place I grinded to get out of or any place similar.

Never co-signed any airline or corporation getting a bailout. Fuck them too. However, millions of jobs are lost if certain ones go under. That’s different than applying for loans to go to A university you chose, experiencing everything it entails, including a good job once you graduate, you got everything out of it—pay your loans.

Had I just paid off 100k in student loans and then you all get wiped clean I would be fucking pissed. I bust my ass to pay on time and in full and people get sick so nobody has to pay theirs? Nonsense. Pay up!

now, who should be eligible to wipe their loans away:

*those who got ripped off by online/fake colleges.

*people that never stepped foot on campus due to illness, needing to care for a sick parent. I could see an 18 year old applying for loans, then having to dropout before stepping foot on campus for personal reasons—sure, wipe those.

*said college loses its accededation (degree now worthless) Trump university

*balance applies for vs used: if you applied for 100k, went a year, then kicked out of school or even went to jail, you owe the amount you used. If you finished one year or a four year degree, you owe 25k of the 100k, wipe the 75k never used.
Dude the whole point is that college in and of itself is a ripoff for the most part regardless of what you get your degree in. That YOU didn't go only means YOU don't have a dog in that particular fight.

So the question is WHICH SIDE DO YOU FALL ON ON THE STIMULUS BILL?? THE DEMS OR THE REPS?

All the rest of it is just talking shit because at the end of the day SOMEBODY gonna make out like a fat rat and why shouldn't that be regular people for once!

Also FUCK to big to fail...they shouldn't be too big to repay the half-trillion in bailout money. They shouldn't get to buy back stocks and give themselves BONUSES for making bad decisions but they DO! Have done it and if the reps get their way will be allowed to do it AGAIN.

This is REALITY not some hypothetical. So your player hater argument of caring about what's on someone else's plate is thin in the face of REALITY.
 
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Yes, these deals are all bullshit. This is what I've been saying.

People in this very thread are concerned about student loans, immigration, and other personal interest. If Dems try to add that to these bills why would u think that the right wouldn't counter with bailouts for industries?

Cut all the extra shit and for once agree on both sides to put the citizens first, all of us, as one group. We're all being affected by this.
These rich senators on both sides need their bitch asses kicked. Period. They bickering about their pet special interests because none of this will affect them.

Republicans need to line up for the ass kicking twice though. :smh:
 
I don't believe Trump sincerely wants to give middle and lower class citizens any reasonable amount of cash. If he did the Senate Pubs would yield to the party that has the better record on social welfare and get it done. I applaud the Dems, holding the line on real accountability for the trillion buck ocean of money the senate wants to give the treasury sec. Also they're insisting that it go directly to people that will actually spend and recirculate it for the greater good. The federal government should let some of these big corps go under to send a message, particularly if they've spent a large amount on stock buy backs. They gambled and lost provided the government doesn't bail them out again.

I completely agree with you.

printing this much money is going to cause massive inflation no matter who it's given to. If that money stays with the corporations and the 1% not only will the poor and middle class not get their cut, they are going to end up spending far more for goods and services. in the end, the stimulus would hurt the people it's supposed to be helping.

The fact that Trump and the senators would even try to pull this shit during the biggest world health crisis of the last 100 years is beyond disgusting. If Trump considers himself a wartime president then this should be considered a war crime.
 
These rich senators on both sides need their bitch asses kicked. Period. They bickering about their pet special interests because none of this will affect them.

Republicans need to line up for the ass kicking twice though. :smh:

There should be some type of metric that could be tied to these useless peoples seats. We'd see deals magically coming together.

I.E. If unemployment reaches "this" number, yall all out. Market hits "this" number, out, etc..
 
There should be some type of metric that could be tied to these useless peoples seats. We'd see deals magically coming together.

I.E. If unemployment reaches "this" number, yall all out. Market hits "this" number, out, etc..

As much as I hate seat sitters and agree with your sentiments I think this is a really bad idea.

The standard of who qualifies as "unemployed" is so convoluted it's practically meaningless. If you made $50 or more this week doing anything, even if it's just helping your neighbor move, you are considered employed. by that standard any legislator could easily lower their unemployment numbers without having to provide any tangible benefit.

The market standard is even worse. Which number would you even use? if it's the Dow Jones then these politicians have even more incentive to encourage companies to buy back their stock and inflate the values.

In the time of a pandemic it's even more crucial for our officials to weigh a market failure against the threat of everybody dying. I would rather see the California economy take a sharp temporary dive than see my city look like Milan.

Most importantly, this plan would completely subvert democracy. There's no point fighting to end voter suppression if those votes can be completely undermined when the winner fails to meet a certain metric. A politician's job is far too nuanced for these kinds of job performance standards.
 
It's only socialism when someone else is getting it.

I agree. I also feel that with three major economic crashes in the last two decades we need to have a set standard on who gets bailed out when and for how much. Both for companies and individuals.

The very fact that the legislature is even debating it at all is pathetic. We should have set these standards and systems in place when times were good. That way, the only vote we would need to take is whether or not to send the checks. Something both sides of the aisle unanimously agree on.
 
Seems that would only help a select group, and if whites have more student loan debt, they'd end up being allowed to be doctors and lawyers for free while people like me who never went to college had to grind my ass off to make it. student loan debt is a self-inflicted wound. if they really want to help people, they should remove all penalties for 401k withdrawals, suspend atm fees, banks shouldn't report late payments to credit bureaus if the person can prove the lost their job due to this shit. $1200 a month is good for people with $400 rent and no car payments. for the rest of us, thats a fraction of our monthly nut and with zero coming in, barely makes a dent and we will still have to choose what to pay that month. they could also stop taxing work bonuses. Health insurance should cover all expenses incurred during this shit if you've paid your monthly premium. Those who lost their jobs now cant afford Korbra and cant get on the exchange to get insurance either. Anyone unemployed due to this should get the same health care as welfare people since we paid into that shit. ill be okay for a few more months, but i know people who will need to take cash out of their retirement to not lose their homes or cars or live the next 4 to 5 months with nothing open and no one working--they shouldn't pay all those fucking penalties for taking their own money out to survive this.

I agree with your points. Granted, there will be some type of stipulations when it comes to cancelling student loan debt. My line of thinking is coming up with ways to not only help people but also boost the economy back.

Student loan debt is more complex than just taking out a loan. Majority if not all people are taught from day one, that to so called be successful you need a college education. And granted, most salary jobs require some type of college degree. The issue is some degrees dont have the same value as it used to so you have a lot of people that are upside- down (their college degree cost more than their annual salary).

Cancelling student loan debt would be great, but maybe a better solution could be to defer payments for a set amount of time with no interest. Give people the option to pay their loan of they want during that duration.

So if someone has a $600 student loan payment and if they could defer that for say 9 months with no interest or penalty, that would really help them out. That would be $5400 in 9 months. They could use that as an emergency savings or spend it (so called boost the economy)

I'm no economist but there are a lot of folks that would probably love to see their payments deferred at this time.
 
I agree with your points. Granted, there will be some type of stipulations when it comes to cancelling student loan debt. My line of thinking is coming up with ways to not only help people but also boost the economy back.

Student loan debt is more complex than just taking out a loan. Majority if not all people are taught from day one, that to so called be successful you need a college education. And granted, most salary jobs require some type of college degree. The issue is some degrees dont have the same value as it used to so you have a lot of people that are upside- down (their college degree cost more than their annual salary).

Cancelling student loan debt would be great, but maybe a better solution could be to defer payments for a set amount of time with no interest. Give people the option to pay their loan of they want during that duration.

So if someone has a $600 student loan payment and if they could defer that for say 9 months with no interest or penalty, that would really help them out. That would be $5400 in 9 months. They could use that as an emergency savings or spend it (so called boost the economy)

I'm no economist but there are a lot of folks that would probably love to see their payments deferred at this time.
FUCK ALL OF THAT...LOOK AT THIS SHIT...
Trump says there's 'light at the end of the tunnel' as White House pitches $6T coronavirus stimulus package

Speaking at Tuesday's White House coronavirus task force briefing, Director of the U.S. National Economic Council Larry Kudlow specifically said the new coronavirus bill working its way through congressional gridlock would total $6 trillion: $4 trillion in liquidity from the Federal Reserve and $2 trillion in new money. Typical annual appropriations from Congress in a given fiscal year are around $1.2-4 trillion, with total expenditures roughly $4.3 trillion.


now, who the fuck is getting all that money if all these stipulations are put on the indebted working class and middle class?????

shit cancelling all student debt could be folded into that if your talking about jump-starting the economy... :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

this is what I'm talking about...you guys are talking hypotheticals and these motherfuckers are doing REAL SHIT (for themselves)!!
 
FUCK ALL OF THAT...LOOK AT THIS SHIT...
Trump says there's 'light at the end of the tunnel' as White House pitches $6T coronavirus stimulus package

Speaking at Tuesday's White House coronavirus task force briefing, Director of the U.S. National Economic Council Larry Kudlow specifically said the new coronavirus bill working its way through congressional gridlock would total $6 trillion: $4 trillion in liquidity from the Federal Reserve and $2 trillion in new money. Typical annual appropriations from Congress in a given fiscal year are around $1.2-4 trillion, with total expenditures roughly $4.3 trillion.


now, who the fuck is getting all that money if all these stipulations are put on the indebted working class and middle class?????

shit cancelling all student debt could be folded into that if your talking about jump-starting the economy... :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

this is what I'm talking about...you guys are talking hypotheticals and these motherfuckers are doing REAL SHIT (for themselves)!!

Damn.

All I know is whatever stimulus shit they eventually settle on, some people are going to be satisfied and some wont. Just the nature of the beast when it comes to this shit
 
Wow $6T !!! That's crazy. I'll bet you each and every one of them in both houses are working an angle to get their hands on some of that money. Its so much, and just too tempting.

FUCK ALL OF THAT...LOOK AT THIS SHIT...
Trump says there's 'light at the end of the tunnel' as White House pitches $6T coronavirus stimulus package

Speaking at Tuesday's White House coronavirus task force briefing, Director of the U.S. National Economic Council Larry Kudlow specifically said the new coronavirus bill working its way through congressional gridlock would total $6 trillion: $4 trillion in liquidity from the Federal Reserve and $2 trillion in new money. Typical annual appropriations from Congress in a given fiscal year are around $1.2-4 trillion, with total expenditures roughly $4.3 trillion.


now, who the fuck is getting all that money if all these stipulations are put on the indebted working class and middle class?????

shit cancelling all student debt could be folded into that if your talking about jump-starting the economy... :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

this is what I'm talking about...you guys are talking hypotheticals and these motherfuckers are doing REAL SHIT (for themselves)!!
 
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Damn.

All I know is whatever stimulus shit they eventually settle on, some people are going to be satisfied and some wont. Just the nature of the beast when it comes to this shit
the beast needs to be slayed dude....they inflate the pie to whatever size they want then tell you you only qualify for a crumb and you should be happy with that...
 
Student loans really? Some of you really think they will go from giving you a one time payment of $1200 to paying of your $50K student loan?
 
FUCK ALL OF THAT...LOOK AT THIS SHIT...
Trump says there's 'light at the end of the tunnel' as White House pitches $6T coronavirus stimulus package

Speaking at Tuesday's White House coronavirus task force briefing, Director of the U.S. National Economic Council Larry Kudlow specifically said the new coronavirus bill working its way through congressional gridlock would total $6 trillion: $4 trillion in liquidity from the Federal Reserve and $2 trillion in new money. Typical annual appropriations from Congress in a given fiscal year are around $1.2-4 trillion, with total expenditures roughly $4.3 trillion.


now, who the fuck is getting all that money if all these stipulations are put on the indebted working class and middle class?????

shit cancelling all student debt could be folded into that if your talking about jump-starting the economy... :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

this is what I'm talking about...you guys are talking hypotheticals and these motherfuckers are doing REAL SHIT (for themselves)!!
Yeah this is bullshit
 
Yeah this is bullshit
I'm now thinking trump is just floating that number to try to positively influence the stock markets...they rallied hard on the 2t talk yesterday..and he's closely tied his election to it...so he'll risk what's happening in Italy happening here if it will make the markets rise again.
 
CSPAN 2 has the Senate LIVE!

Dull-ass Durbin (IL) is the 1st to counter the Republican lies about the Democratic bill from the house being a Green Deal wish list.
He (they) are so busy being nice to "their colleagues" the point of showing their lies/deceit almost gets lost.
Durbin Is a faggit


but he stays on trump neck


he needs to be cycled out soon but our other leaders are just as dirty or dirtier.
 
Is just me, I can see the Coronavirus as an excuse for to finally move all the Major financial stock markets out of NYC and bring them to Texas and Florida. If you don’t believe: JP Morgan shrinks Workforce in NYC and Plano could benefit
Since we see the that Republican and other conservatives have proven that they value capitalism over people’s lives, they would have no problem relocating stock market, especially if NYS and CA continue to lockdown the state after the Easter deadline. And if you think it’s going to take to make transition, I wouldn’t be shock that Wall Street already have been getting ready for years to make the change.
 
Is just me, I can see the Coronavirus as an excuse for to finally move all the Major financial stock markets out of NYC and bring them to Texas and Florida. If you don’t believe: JP Morgan shrinks Workforce in NYC and Plano could benefit
Since we see the that Republican and other conservatives have proven that they value capitalism over people’s lives, they would have no problem relocating stock market, especially if NYS and CA continue to lockdown the state after the Easter deadline. And if you think it’s going to take to make transition, I wouldn’t be shock that Wall Street already have been getting ready for years to make the change.
It's been known for years that they want to head to Florida...
 
Brotha - what do you think this crisis was about? A respiratory virus with a minuscule death rate? :smh:

It is ALWAYS about the money.

knew they wouldn't waste a crisis to make rich people richer while giving the people who really need help peanuts.
 
knew they wouldn't waste a crisis to make rich people richer while giving the people who really need help peanuts.
Remember the Golden Rule..... "He who has the gold makes the rules".....
Somebody got played...to early to tell but I suspect the Democrats.. :giggle:
I saw Schumer on CNN this morning talking about how they demanded and got oversight over any loans given to big business. In the same breath he says " no more than 6 days AFTER the loan is given all the details must be presented to Congress and made public.... Dumb muthafuvca... That's HINDSIGHT......not OVERSIGHT..... :beer:
 
Remember the Golden Rule..... "He who has the gold makes the rules".....
Somebody got played...to early to tell but I suspect the Democrats.. :giggle:
I saw Schumer on CNN this morning talking about how they demanded and got oversight over any loans given to big business. In the same breath he says " no more than 6 days AFTER the loan is given all the details must be presented to Congress and made public.... Dumb muthafuvca... That's HINDSIGHT......not OVERSIGHT..... :beer:
6 days is far better than 6 months.
 
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