Dave Chappelle's new Netflix special Sticks & Stones....what u think?

ghoststrike

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Lol......They are straight-up trying to tell people what's funny and not funny, you haven't watched your own video. Watch it, again.

In other words, the Editor from NewsOne is prob gay and doesn't like jokes about the alphabet crew. Hell, he looked like he was fighting the urge to roll his neck.
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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I feel you, they fuckin' up.


I don't what it was it that made me stop watching them but the way they act be on some Republican bullshit.If,you disagree with them,you're stupid or don't what you're talking about..


Is it me or are these extreme left folks getting worse by the month? They went at Harris over laughing about someone saying 'retarded'. It's funny because I just referenced that 'abelist' bullshit right before her incident.

The list of things that can be laughed at keeps shrinking and that's coming from one side. Extremes either way are never fucking good.

Bill Burr got a special dropping. Hope his shit shocks too.


Both the right and left is willing to run this country to the ground with their bullshit ideology.....They act like every person is exclusively one or the other when in reality most people are a mix of both...
 

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Is it me or are these extreme left folks getting worse by the month? They went at Harris over laughing about someone saying 'retarded'. It's funny because I just referenced that 'abelist' bullshit right before her incident.

The list of things that can be laughed at keeps shrinking and that's coming from one side. Extremes either way are never fucking good.

Bill Burr got a special dropping. Hope his shit shocks too.


The left is become more extreme because they fear they are losing influence and power. All around the world people are rejecting left wing ideology Liberalism and are becoming for nationalistic.

When you lose confidence. You become more desperate and extreme.
 

gene cisco

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I don't what it was it that made me stop watching them but the way they act be on some Republican bullshit.If,you disagree with them,you're stupid or don't what you're talking about..





Both the right and left is willing to run this country to the ground with their bullshit ideology.....They act like every person is exclusively one or the other when in reality most people are a mix of both...
You're right. It's just the FAR left is quick to feed on its own. They turn every fucking thing into a big deal and a new concept. Criticism is now (insert term)shaming. Common sense is victim-blaming. They preach tolerance and inclusion but will run you off the Internet for violating one of their ever-changing rules that they apply retroactively.

Black entertainers have to be aware of this cannibalistic behavior the liberal entertainment industry is displaying.
 

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You're right. It's just the FAR left is quick to feed on its own. They turn every fucking thing into a big deal and a new concept. Criticism is now (insert term)shaming. Common sense is victim-blaming. They preach tolerance and inclusion but will run you off the Internet for violating one of their ever-changing rules that they apply retroactively.

Black entertainers have to be aware of this cannibalistic behavior the liberal entertainment industry is displaying.

People are tired of the PC culture and it’s pushing people to either become independent or are becoming trump supporters

 

SpiritualPorn

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You're right. It's just the FAR left is quick to feed on its own. They turn every fucking thing into a big deal and a new concept. Criticism is now (insert term)shaming. Common sense is victim-blaming. They preach tolerance and inclusion but will run you off the Internet for violating one of their ever-changing rules that they apply retroactively.

Black entertainers have to be aware of this cannibalistic behavior the liberal entertainment industry is displaying.
Very well said sir

Excellent
 

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People are tired of the PC culture and it’s pushing people to either become independent or are becoming trump supporters


Any time trump is the answer, then the wrong questions are being asked. Fuck trump and the right wing games. We already know none of those evil fuckers have a sense of humor.
 

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Any time trump is the answer, then the wrong questions are being asked. Fuck trump and the right wing games. We already know none of those evil fuckers have a sense of humor.

Who said the answer is trump. They are trying to say that the PC culture is pushing people to the right wing. As you can see around the world from trump to brexit, the right wingers are taking over and it’s because of the PC culture and also the nominalizing of LGBT and transgender culture especially with children.
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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You're right. It's just the FAR left is quick to feed on its own. They turn every fucking thing into a big deal and a new concept. Criticism is now (insert term)shaming. Common sense is victim-blaming. They preach tolerance and inclusion but will run you off the Internet for violating one of their ever-changing rules that they apply retroactively.

Black entertainers have to be aware of this cannibalistic behavior the liberal entertainment industry is displaying.

I always say,the libersl is being the same people that they always criticize conservatives...This hyper-liberalism and conservatism dont make no sense at all..

There's no middle ground at all.

Like,I've say many times it's okay to laugh at black people but when it comes to other groups it's a huge problem...

We're the ones that's doing all the marching,boycotting and getting our ass kick while other groups sit on their asses but they get the benefits afterwards...
 

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You're right. It's just the FAR left is quick to feed on its own. They turn every fucking thing into a big deal and a new concept. Criticism is now (insert term)shaming. Common sense is victim-blaming. They preach tolerance and inclusion but will run you off the Internet for violating one of their ever-changing rules that they apply retroactively.

Black entertainers have to be aware of this cannibalistic behavior the liberal entertainment industry is displaying.

what we're seeing is a shift in culture coming from groups that have historically since the beginning of the country, been told to SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE IT! Gays, women, POC and pretty much any other suppressed group now have a platform in social media to speak out and push back after decades and centuries of being told SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE IT!

not too long ago people from those groups got KILLED, JAILED, RUN OUT TOWN, LOST THEIR LIVELIHOODS, LOST THEIR FAMILIES, etc..for the smallest offenses or perceived offenses (ask your grandparents and older generation).

So what happens when those groups finally get a chance to get some payback....or have some space to finally speak back.... some people say they're going to far...quite frankly I don't know if that's true or to the degree cats are making it...

What we're witnessing and experiencing is the growing pains of a society evolving and progressing.

Consider this...everything you all are saying about whats happening today was said by whites about the civil rights and womens lib movements 50 years ago...
 
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gene cisco

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what we're seeing is a shift in culture coming from groups that have historically since the beginning of the country, been told to SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE IT! Gays, women, POC and pretty much any other suppressed group now have a platform in social media to speak out and push back after decades and centuries of being told SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE IT!

not too long ago people from those groups got KILLED, JAILED, RUN OUT TOWN, LOST THEIR LIVELIHOODS, LOST THEIR FAMILIES, etc..for the smallest offenses or perceived offenses (ask your grandparents and older generation).

So what happens when those groups finally get a chance to get some payback....or have some space to finally speak back.... some people say they're going to far...quite frankly I don't know if that's true or to the degree cats are making it...

What we're witnessing and experiencing is the growing pains of a society evolving and progressing.

Consider this...everything you all are saying about whats happening today was said by whites about the civil rights and womens lib movements 50 years ago...
:confused: That's not what's happening. While it's true people do have a voice, it's also true a lot of bullying is going on. It's not about equality; It's about preferential treatment.

Who is trying to do all the fucking censorship these days? That used to be the domain of the far right and the 'family values' crowd. Now the extreme left got folks shook to review a BLACK comedian. :smh:We got a group that stays adding letters(lbgtqxyz) and moving the goal posts. We got new shit popping up(ableist). We got the blaming and shaming rhetoric that is aimed to deal with any fucking criticism.

Let's cut to the chase with you.

BGOL has a no transgender posting policy. By your logic, that makes us the equal of 'no blacks allowed' in the 60s. But you still here right? Why? Because even you know that modern PC culture is overboard and a bit much. This board would be labeled a hate site by the Southern Poverty Law Center because of the stance on trans. Let that sink in before you defend outrage culture.
 

geechiedan

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:confused: That's not what's happening. While it's true people do have a voice, it's also true a lot of bullying is going on. It's not about equality; It's about preferential treatment.
again something I've heard and I know you've heard white people complain all the time about us.

Who is trying to do all the fucking censorship these days? That used to be the domain of the far right and the 'family values' crowd. Now the extreme left got folks shook to review a BLACK comedian. :smh:We got a group that stays adding letters(lbgtqxyz) and moving the goal posts. We got new shit popping up(ableist). We got the blaming and shaming rhetoric that is aimed to deal with any fucking criticism.
You wanna know who the forefather of cancel culture and counter-protest in the country is??? LOOK IN THE MIRROR. Black people laid down the template on cancel culture and organized protest/boycott in american society. Ever notice how every other group that does it uses the same tactics as black people from 50-100 years ago??

Wanna know why you say the N-WORD rather than nigga now...because WE CANCELLED THAT SHIT! Ever wonder why of all of disney's movies Song of the South will NEVER be reissued again? Because WE CANCELLED THAT SHIT! Ever wonder why blackface isn't a staple element in entertainment like it used to be? WE CANCELLED THAT SHIT!
You wanna talk adding letters? How about a group that went from negro to colored, to afro american to black to african american and if it becomes popular enough soon to be A-D-O-S.
Blame and Shame?? We've all seen people lose their jobs or get shamed for saying shit about black people. Hell Liam Neeson was telling a story about some shit he thought about 30 years ago as a lesson about how senseless racism was and that nigga is still apologizing..
billy-crystal-in-blackface-1-6139-1334094963-46_big.jpg


is this blackface or is this billy crystal's impersonation of sammy davis jr? because billy crystal a stand comedian himself got shamed mercilessly for doing this..
Let's cut to the chase with you.

BGOL has a no transgender posting policy. By your logic, that makes us the equal of 'no blacks allowed' in the 60s. But you still here right? Why? Because even you know that modern PC culture is overboard and a bit much. This board would be labeled a hate site by the Southern Poverty Law Center because of the stance on trans. Let that sink in before you defend outrage culture.

a trans person wouldn't want to join bgol anymore than youre clamoring and demanding to join stormfront. But the messed up part is both you and that trans person are thinking the same thing about both sites...which is "its fucked up, how they think of me" but thats not the issue...yes pc culture can be annoying and restrictive...but so can hearing someone say shut the fuck up and take it.
 
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again something I've heard and I know you've heard white people complain all the time about us.


You wanna know who the forefather of cancel culture and counter-protest in the country is??? LOOK IN THE MIRROR. Black people laid down the template on cancel culture and organized protest/boycott in american society. Ever notice how every other group that does it uses the same tactics as black people from 50-100 years ago??

Wanna know why you say the N-WORD rather than nigga now...because WE CANCELLED THAT SHIT! Ever wonder why of all of disney's movies Song of the South will NEVER be reissued again? Because WE CANCELLED THAT SHIT! Ever wonder why blackface isn't a staple element in entertainment like it used to be? WE CANCELLED THAT SHIT!
You wanna talk adding letters? How about a group that went from negro to colored, to afro american to black to african american and if it becomes popular enough soon to be A-D-O-S.
Blame and Shame?? We've all seen people lose their jobs or get shamed for saying shit about black people. Hell Liam Neeson was telling a story about some shit he thought about 30 years ago as a lesson about how senseless racism was and that nigga is still apologizing..
billy-crystal-in-blackface-1-6139-1334094963-46_big.jpg


is this blackface or is this billy crystal's impersonation of sammy davis jr? because billy crystal a stand comedian himself got shamed mercilessly for doing this..


a trans person wouldn't want to join bgol anymore than youre clamoring and demanding to join stormfront. But the messed up part is both you and that trans person are thinking the same thing about both sites...which is "its fucked up, how they think of me" but thats not the issue...yes pc culture can be annoying and restrictive...but so can hearing someone say shut the fuck up and take it.

:itsawrap:

Motherfuckers have no empathy. If they're affected, it's an outrage; if the next man is affected, it's an outrage for them to speak on it.

"WE CANCELLED THAT SHIT!" True and really well-put. Some shit needs to be cancelled.
 

geechiedan

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:itsawrap:

Motherfuckers have no empathy. If they're affected, it's an outrage; if the next man is affected, it's an outrage for them to speak on it.

"WE CANCELLED THAT SHIT!" True and really well-put. Some shit needs to be cancelled.
thats the problem...I'm not saying black people need to be marching on washington for every issue and we damn sure shouldn't be the attack dogs for other groups in social issues...but its fucked for some black people to pretend they can't understand why someone would take issue with some shit then say about anyone else "theyre going too far" A black person in america should never make that statement about anyone else. That is cac-speak for know your place 101. :smh::smh::smh:
 

geechiedan

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THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT....

DUDE JUST GOT PICKED TO GO ON SNL AND HE DID THIS SHIT JUST LAST YEAR...NOT 10 YEARS AGO..NOT AS A TEENAGER...LITERALLY 365 DAYS AGO.

now I'm not saying blacks should rage about it...thats an issue for asians to deal with and they need to handle their bidness...BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IF THEYRE OFFENDED AND GO AFTER DUDES CAREER IN GETTING HIM FIRED OFF SNL EVEN BEFORE HE STARTS.
 

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THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT....

DUDE JUST GOT PICKED TO GO ON SNL AND HE DID THIS SHIT JUST LAST YEAR...NOT 10 YEARS AGO..NOT AS A TEENAGER...LITERALLY 365 DAYS AGO.

now I'm not saying blacks should rage about it...thats an issue for asians to deal with and they need to handle their bidness...BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IF THEYRE OFFENDED AND GO AFTER DUDES CAREER IN GETTING HIM FIRED OFF SNL EVEN BEFORE HE STARTS.


You’re right
 

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THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT....

DUDE JUST GOT PICKED TO GO ON SNL AND HE DID THIS SHIT JUST LAST YEAR...NOT 10 YEARS AGO..NOT AS A TEENAGER...LITERALLY 365 DAYS AGO.

now I'm not saying blacks should rage about it...thats an issue for asians to deal with and they need to handle their bidness...BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IF THEYRE OFFENDED AND GO AFTER DUDES CAREER IN GETTING HIM FIRED OFF SNL EVEN BEFORE HE STARTS.

You’re right

I'm more offended by how unfunny it was.
 

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Dave has been real & principled for a long time...

TV’s race card
Chappelle, producer cry foul over Fox sitcom
JULY 8, 1998

Comedian Dave Chappelle and executive producer Peter Tolan are charging that the midseason sitcom they developed for Fox Broadcasting Co. was derailed by one explosive issue: race.

Chappelle wrote and starred in the sitcom “Dave Chappelle,” which was based on his life as a standup comedian struggling to make it in New York. Fox ordered six episodes for midseason, but Chappelle and Tolan decided to walk away from the project after a creative meeting with Fox execs a few weeks ago that left them “disgusted.”

According to Chappelle and Tolan, Fox executives believed the Touchstone TV sitcom was too black, and they suggested changing the lead female character from black to white and adding a separate new white character to broaden its appeal.

Touchstone TV declined to comment, and Fox executives would not speak for attribution, but the network did issue a statement in response to Chappelle’s and Tolan’s comments: “The Fox network respects the unique perspective and integrity of each member of its audience, and to suggest anything less is disturbing and upsetting in light of our past, present and future efforts.”

According to Chappelle, “They fly me out for a creative meeting. I’m in a room full of white people, and they proceed to tell me why we need more white people on the show, so it can have a more universal appeal.”

Chappelle continued, “This network built itself on black viewers, and what they’re saying is white people are narcissistic. They don’t want to watch black people, they want to watch themselves. It tells every black artist no matter what you do, you need whites to succeed.”

Chappelle feels Fox’s attempts to bring in white viewers by adding white characters is “perpetuating a racist insight into our business,” and his reaction to their suggestions was clearly visceral. “I felt like I was beaten up and completely degraded,” he said. “It’s disgusting, and it made me want to vomit.”

Tolan agreed with Chappelle’s interpretation of the events. The “Dave Chappelle” pilot was originally developed for ABC, but after the web passed, they retooled it for Fox and did a second round of reshoots before they heard the first rumblings about “broadening the appeal.”

“We were trying to do a realistic depiction of Dave’s life — not a black show, but a smart, funny show that happened to be black,” Tolan said. “But Fox said there needs to be more white faces. Basically, Dave Chappelle cannot appear on Fox TV unless whitey gets him in the door. It’s embarrassing, and I realized I couldn’t do it. I felt morally it was wrong.”

Fox sources said they were shocked to hear the charges because they never gave Chappelle and Tolan any ultimatums. They simply made some suggestions and, according to one Fox source, asked the pair for their thoughts on “adding a perspective, a point-of-view that allows a larger audience to appreciate it.”

Fox execs said they had other creative concerns with the project that were unrelated to race. Fox also is quick to point out that next season it will air three sitcoms with lead African-American characters and themes: “Living in Captivity,” “The PJs” and “Getting Personal.”

It’s clear, however, that Fox is moving away from sitcoms like “Martin” and “Living Single,” which had predominantly black casts, to shows with a mixed racial makeup. “Living in Captivity” and “Getting Personal” both have white lead characters.

It remains to be seen whether this integration strategy actually will work. “So far it hasn’t worked,” said Doug Aligood, senior vice president of special markets at BBDO, which studies black and white TV viewing patterns.

According to the most recent BBDO report, none of the top 10 shows in black households are among the top 10 in white households, and only four shows in the top 20 cross over: “NFL Monday Night Football,” “The CBS Sunday Movie,” “Touched by an Angel” and “ER.” Not one of those four is a comedy, and the only sitcom in recent years with wide appeal among people of all races was “The Cosby Show.”

Aligood said it’s not surprising that Fox wants to broaden beyond the base of African-Amercian viewers that helped put the network on the map. “We tend to forget that TV is a general audience medium. Unfortunately for black performers, the biggest audience is white.”

He also said, “I don’t think it’s racist to want to bring in white characters or black characters. I was always screaming for ‘Seinfeld’ to bring in black characters.”

Chappelle not only disagrees, but he feels ratings and the viewing studies of agencies like BBDO are inaccurate. As evidence he cites the broad appeal of performers such as Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy.

“People don’t love them because they’re surrounded by white people,” he said. “Cosby only had white characters when it was feasible, and nobody noticed.”

As far as prospects for his own TV series are concerned, Chappelle feels it’s time to throw in the towel. UPN CEO Dean Valentine has extended an open offer to pick up the series, but Chappelle no longer wants to do it.

“I love Dean to death, but I’m just so disgusted with TV,” he said. “I don’t care if I ever work in TV again … Ultimately, I may just do standup.”
 

geechiedan

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I'm more offended by how unfunny it was.

what really annoys me is that they did that shit on Asians becuz they figured it was the group that would give the least resistance to that shit. They wouldn't dare do that kind of bullshit with blacks or jews because the career backlash would be instant and ongoing. Chinese Americans really need to make that dude an example and get him off SNL or put SNL on the spot for hiring a fucking racist redneck at the same time they hire the first Asian on the show ever. But like I said thats their problem to deal with.
 

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TV’s race card
Chappelle, producer cry foul over Fox sitcom
JULY 8, 1998

Comedian Dave Chappelle and executive producer Peter Tolan are charging that the midseason sitcom they developed for Fox Broadcasting Co. was derailed by one explosive issue: race.

Chappelle wrote and starred in the sitcom “Dave Chappelle,” which was based on his life as a standup comedian struggling to make it in New York. Fox ordered six episodes for midseason, but Chappelle and Tolan decided to walk away from the project after a creative meeting with Fox execs a few weeks ago that left them “disgusted.”

According to Chappelle and Tolan, Fox executives believed the Touchstone TV sitcom was too black, and they suggested changing the lead female character from black to white and adding a separate new white character to broaden its appeal.

Touchstone TV declined to comment, and Fox executives would not speak for attribution, but the network did issue a statement in response to Chappelle’s and Tolan’s comments: “The Fox network respects the unique perspective and integrity of each member of its audience, and to suggest anything less is disturbing and upsetting in light of our past, present and future efforts.”

According to Chappelle, “They fly me out for a creative meeting. I’m in a room full of white people, and they proceed to tell me why we need more white people on the show, so it can have a more universal appeal.”

Chappelle continued, “This network built itself on black viewers, and what they’re saying is white people are narcissistic. They don’t want to watch black people, they want to watch themselves. It tells every black artist no matter what you do, you need whites to succeed.”

Chappelle feels Fox’s attempts to bring in white viewers by adding white characters is “perpetuating a racist insight into our business,” and his reaction to their suggestions was clearly visceral. “I felt like I was beaten up and completely degraded,” he said. “It’s disgusting, and it made me want to vomit.”

Tolan agreed with Chappelle’s interpretation of the events. The “Dave Chappelle” pilot was originally developed for ABC, but after the web passed, they retooled it for Fox and did a second round of reshoots before they heard the first rumblings about “broadening the appeal.”

“We were trying to do a realistic depiction of Dave’s life — not a black show, but a smart, funny show that happened to be black,” Tolan said. “But Fox said there needs to be more white faces. Basically, Dave Chappelle cannot appear on Fox TV unless whitey gets him in the door. It’s embarrassing, and I realized I couldn’t do it. I felt morally it was wrong.”

Fox sources said they were shocked to hear the charges because they never gave Chappelle and Tolan any ultimatums. They simply made some suggestions and, according to one Fox source, asked the pair for their thoughts on “adding a perspective, a point-of-view that allows a larger audience to appreciate it.”

Fox execs said they had other creative concerns with the project that were unrelated to race. Fox also is quick to point out that next season it will air three sitcoms with lead African-American characters and themes: “Living in Captivity,” “The PJs” and “Getting Personal.”

It’s clear, however, that Fox is moving away from sitcoms like “Martin” and “Living Single,” which had predominantly black casts, to shows with a mixed racial makeup. “Living in Captivity” and “Getting Personal” both have white lead characters.

It remains to be seen whether this integration strategy actually will work. “So far it hasn’t worked,” said Doug Aligood, senior vice president of special markets at BBDO, which studies black and white TV viewing patterns.

According to the most recent BBDO report, none of the top 10 shows in black households are among the top 10 in white households, and only four shows in the top 20 cross over: “NFL Monday Night Football,” “The CBS Sunday Movie,” “Touched by an Angel” and “ER.” Not one of those four is a comedy, and the only sitcom in recent years with wide appeal among people of all races was “The Cosby Show.”

Aligood said it’s not surprising that Fox wants to broaden beyond the base of African-Amercian viewers that helped put the network on the map. “We tend to forget that TV is a general audience medium. Unfortunately for black performers, the biggest audience is white.”

He also said, “I don’t think it’s racist to want to bring in white characters or black characters. I was always screaming for ‘Seinfeld’ to bring in black characters.”

Chappelle not only disagrees, but he feels ratings and the viewing studies of agencies like BBDO are inaccurate. As evidence he cites the broad appeal of performers such as Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy.

“People don’t love them because they’re surrounded by white people,” he said. “Cosby only had white characters when it was feasible, and nobody noticed.”

As far as prospects for his own TV series are concerned, Chappelle feels it’s time to throw in the towel. UPN CEO Dean Valentine has extended an open offer to pick up the series, but Chappelle no longer wants to do it.

“I love Dean to death, but I’m just so disgusted with TV,” he said. “I don’t care if I ever work in TV again … Ultimately, I may just do standup.”

Wow Dave spoke on that, just crazy and sad at the same time :smh:
 

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what really annoys me is that they did that shit on Asians becuz they figured it was the group that would give the least resistance to that shit. They wouldn't dare do that kind of bullshit with blacks or jews because the career backlash would be instant and ongoing. Chinese Americans really need to make that dude an example and get him off SNL or put SNL on the spot for hiring a fucking racist redneck at the same time they hire the first Asian on the show ever. But like I said thats their problem to deal with.

You’re exactly right, and he should be fired.
 

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Dave has been real & principled for a long time...

TV’s race card
Chappelle, producer cry foul over Fox sitcom
JULY 8, 1998

Comedian Dave Chappelle and executive producer Peter Tolan are charging that the midseason sitcom they developed for Fox Broadcasting Co. was derailed by one explosive issue: race.

Chappelle wrote and starred in the sitcom “Dave Chappelle,” which was based on his life as a standup comedian struggling to make it in New York. Fox ordered six episodes for midseason, but Chappelle and Tolan decided to walk away from the project after a creative meeting with Fox execs a few weeks ago that left them “disgusted.”

According to Chappelle and Tolan, Fox executives believed the Touchstone TV sitcom was too black, and they suggested changing the lead female character from black to white and adding a separate new white character to broaden its appeal.

Touchstone TV declined to comment, and Fox executives would not speak for attribution, but the network did issue a statement in response to Chappelle’s and Tolan’s comments: “The Fox network respects the unique perspective and integrity of each member of its audience, and to suggest anything less is disturbing and upsetting in light of our past, present and future efforts.”

According to Chappelle, “They fly me out for a creative meeting. I’m in a room full of white people, and they proceed to tell me why we need more white people on the show, so it can have a more universal appeal.”

Chappelle continued, “This network built itself on black viewers, and what they’re saying is white people are narcissistic. They don’t want to watch black people, they want to watch themselves. It tells every black artist no matter what you do, you need whites to succeed.”

Chappelle feels Fox’s attempts to bring in white viewers by adding white characters is “perpetuating a racist insight into our business,” and his reaction to their suggestions was clearly visceral. “I felt like I was beaten up and completely degraded,” he said. “It’s disgusting, and it made me want to vomit.”

Tolan agreed with Chappelle’s interpretation of the events. The “Dave Chappelle” pilot was originally developed for ABC, but after the web passed, they retooled it for Fox and did a second round of reshoots before they heard the first rumblings about “broadening the appeal.”

“We were trying to do a realistic depiction of Dave’s life — not a black show, but a smart, funny show that happened to be black,” Tolan said. “But Fox said there needs to be more white faces. Basically, Dave Chappelle cannot appear on Fox TV unless whitey gets him in the door. It’s embarrassing, and I realized I couldn’t do it. I felt morally it was wrong.”

Fox sources said they were shocked to hear the charges because they never gave Chappelle and Tolan any ultimatums. They simply made some suggestions and, according to one Fox source, asked the pair for their thoughts on “adding a perspective, a point-of-view that allows a larger audience to appreciate it.”

Fox execs said they had other creative concerns with the project that were unrelated to race. Fox also is quick to point out that next season it will air three sitcoms with lead African-American characters and themes: “Living in Captivity,” “The PJs” and “Getting Personal.”

It’s clear, however, that Fox is moving away from sitcoms like “Martin” and “Living Single,” which had predominantly black casts, to shows with a mixed racial makeup. “Living in Captivity” and “Getting Personal” both have white lead characters.

It remains to be seen whether this integration strategy actually will work. “So far it hasn’t worked,” said Doug Aligood, senior vice president of special markets at BBDO, which studies black and white TV viewing patterns.

According to the most recent BBDO report, none of the top 10 shows in black households are among the top 10 in white households, and only four shows in the top 20 cross over: “NFL Monday Night Football,” “The CBS Sunday Movie,” “Touched by an Angel” and “ER.” Not one of those four is a comedy, and the only sitcom in recent years with wide appeal among people of all races was “The Cosby Show.”

Aligood said it’s not surprising that Fox wants to broaden beyond the base of African-Amercian viewers that helped put the network on the map. “We tend to forget that TV is a general audience medium. Unfortunately for black performers, the biggest audience is white.”

He also said, “I don’t think it’s racist to want to bring in white characters or black characters. I was always screaming for ‘Seinfeld’ to bring in black characters.”

Chappelle not only disagrees, but he feels ratings and the viewing studies of agencies like BBDO are inaccurate. As evidence he cites the broad appeal of performers such as Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy.

“People don’t love them because they’re surrounded by white people,” he said. “Cosby only had white characters when it was feasible, and nobody noticed.”

As far as prospects for his own TV series are concerned, Chappelle feels it’s time to throw in the towel. UPN CEO Dean Valentine has extended an open offer to pick up the series, but Chappelle no longer wants to do it.

“I love Dean to death, but I’m just so disgusted with TV,” he said. “I don’t care if I ever work in TV again … Ultimately, I may just do standup.”

This is exactly why he as so much disdain for the #metoo bullshit. You can't take the check and then complain after the fact. :smh: Not every "opportunity" is an opportunity if it means losing your dignity in the process. It is ok not to be famous if fame comes at the cost of selling your soul...
 

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what really annoys me is that they did that shit on Asians becuz they figured it was the group that would give the least resistance to that shit. They wouldn't dare do that kind of bullshit with blacks or jews because the career backlash would be instant and ongoing. Chinese Americans really need to make that dude an example and get him off SNL or put SNL on the spot for hiring a fucking racist redneck at the same time they hire the first Asian on the show ever. But like I said thats their problem to deal with.

The only thing I disagree with you on is your repeated insistence on "that's their problem to deal with." As MLK said, "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." From John Brown through Stanley Levison, there were good white people helping every step of the way through the black struggle against white oppression. That's why I stand up for immigrants, LGBT, etc. (I am not equating these struggles to be clear-- I ride much harder for refugees and immigrants than the LGBT community, for instance, because the stakes are much bigger.) The bottom line is that good people stand up for what is right.
 

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Joe Rogan appearance less than two minutes in and all throughout. Told y'all he was, if not catering to, appealing to and attracting that same reactionary white conservative audience.

Very boring retread video overall, probably made by a Trump supporter. Look at who your allies are on this, folks! "Do you think Milo should speak?" "What about the diversity you're seeing on the Trump side? There's blacks, Hispanics, gays for Trump-- There's a lot of different people who support Trump." Conservative icon Dave Chappelle, I never thought I'd see the day. :smh::smh::smh:

I loved the special. I thought the beginning about sexual assault victims and celebrities was hilarious and edgy. The trans stuff-- some of it was funny but I wouldn't call "what if it was race instead of gender" with Chinese impressions brilliant. Kind of dumb actually but he's going to be a hero to the Joe Rogan crowd. Just because it's against the grain doesn't make it right or smart.

He's definitely the funniest guy out there. I don't think anybody else makes me laugh even nearly as much or as hard.

"Shows you how soft this generation is. Dave Chapelle has been joking on every group including gay people for over 20 years. Now all of a sudden his comedy show is getting a backlash? For telling jokes ?"

That is the statement I was replying to. My point was not that Dave Chappelle is a bigot or whether or not his special was effective in its humor.

My only point in that exchange was that jokes should not be off-limits from backlash. Your bone of contention with my example is that the Richards incident was not comedy. Fine. Substitute a million examples-- Joe Rogan (Chappelle's anti-PC buddy) joking that watching Planet of the Apes with a black audience meant "we were in planet of the apes." It's an incredibly simple point-- couching a sentiment in humor does not automatically make it inoffensive or above response.

You didn't misunderstand what "snowflake" means and turn that into a percieved admission that my true issue with Chappelle's special was that he went at whites too hard?

I don't see where "unfair to whites" comes from if not that. The sigh would then come into play because it is hard to have a conversation about comedy and political correctness with someone so unfamiliar with the subject as to mistake the extremely common "snowflake" label as to mean "white people" and then position it as some sort of "gotcha" moment or reveal.



"Now all of a sudden his comedy show is getting a backlash? For telling jokes?"

The poster was very clearly saying that his comedy show should not get backlash because he was telling jokes, as comedy shows do by definition. On one level, the poster was very clearly arguing that jokes should be taken as jokes and not be made into such a big deal. And that's a very common argument. It should be "a point as simple as it is irrelevant" but the reality is that many people, both comedians and fans of comedy, treat jokes as a special class of speech wherein ideas should be immune to backlash. As someone who pays a fair amount of attention to comedians and comedy, I promise you I could continually update this thread with examples that demonstrate this as they come up, which they will continually.

The other aspect of the defense was "Dave Chapelle has been joking on every group including gay people for over 20 years." I call this "the South Park defense" because it has been said ad nauseum over 20 years in defense of every attack made on that show-- "They talk about everybody!" As if all attacks are equally valid and come from the same place, so (for example) the show can't have anti-Muslim bias because they've also targeted Catholics, Mexicans, circus folk, etc.

One glaring problem with "One doesn’t have to be especially sensitive to object to that shit" is the relativity of "especially sensitive." To much of Joe Rogan's audience, any criticism of that joke could be dismissed as outrage culture and people not being able to take a joke. And I compare Dave to his tour buddy Joe Rogan because, like Seinfeld, Bill Maher and many others, they share a self-interested fixation on "cancel culture" that tends to dismiss any criticism of comedic substance as overly sensitive. That, it seems to me based on my observations of the two and their respective subject matter, is the main point of overlap and why Chappelle is hitting up Joe Rogan of all people to go on tour.

Pretty much. It's not just about "us" as black people but any group (men vs women, straights vs "the alphabet police," race, religion, whatever).

Chappelle is in my top 5 and arguably the GOAT. But I'm not going to applaud something he says uncritically because it comes from him rather than Joe Rogan. Consistency is important. And just because I laugh at something doesn't make it right. I put up a thread about how Richard Pryor, who's most famous special is "That's ******'s Crazy," later condemned use of the n-word. Chris Rock disavowed his signature piece, Black People vs. Niggas. (As he should have-- It was funny but also self-loathing, irresponsible and just plain wrong.) The great comedians are intellectuals-- Chappelle, Pryor, Rock, Carlin. For me, there's joy to be derived from analyzing and understanding the brilliance in addition to simply applauding or appreciating it.

I think Dave has better stuff in him than being the guy who isn't afraid to take on trannies and sexual assault victims. And-- I'm contradicting my initial praise for this special with this thought-- it's really not all that brave to preach to the silent majority, which is a big part of what his comedy has been about these past few years. There's little more fake than saying "You aren't allowed to say _____" while making millions saying that very thing.
 
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